From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #211 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: chart bound wire sounds/Vien [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: chart bound wire sounds/Vien [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Disch... [RLynn] Re: [idealcopy] Chrome Aliens on Board ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Discharge Cleaner [Bart van Damme Korea ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: chart bound wire sounds/Vien ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] RE: We're having that as a song title! ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Posh Nice in Streets Ab Ovo ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sonic Youth/The Liars [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sonic Youth/The Liars ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] now booking [Alistair Tear > Now then, now then guys and gals, uhohuhouho, rattle-rattle, jewellery-jewellery, cigar-cigar, at number 68 in the UK hit par-raade on 13th May 1989 there was a band called Why-ahh, with Eardrum Buzz. In for one week, then straight out again. Uhohuhouhohuhoh. I know Anne Nightingale played it - anyone recall hearing it on the radio elsewhere? Prefer the he said omala version of Sexy and Rich (retitled 'an itch) and thought The First Letter was better live in Clapham. So I suppose I was disappointed by Vien, though at the time it came out we were all crawling across the desert wire-wise, and tap water will do, even if Volvic is better... Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:37:14 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: chart bound wire sounds/Vien > Now then, now then guys and gals, uhohuhouho, rattle-rattle, > jewellery-jewellery, cigar-cigar, at number 68 in the UK hit par-raade on > 13th May 1989 there was a band called Why-ahh, with Eardrum Buzz. In for one > week, then straight out again. Uhohuhouhohuhoh. I know Anne Nightingale > played it - anyone recall hearing it on the radio elsewhere? ///never really heard eardrum buzz on the radio at all , but the video got played a couple of times on the "chart show" and also the snub feature. also seen it on mtv2 a few months back. of course , outdoor miner charted too. as did "figures in crumbs" , can we call that a wire "hit"? ok , maybe not but i had to try . i've always been fascinated to know how many these various wire releases actually sold , but that data does not seem to be given readily. > Prefer the he said omala version of Sexy and Rich (retitled 'an itch) and > thought The First Letter was better live in Clapham. So I suppose I was > disappointed by Vien, though at the time it came out we were all crawling > across the desert wire-wise, and tap water will do, even if > Volvic is > better... ////i do like wirvien , but not one i play to death. better than the hafler remix though. vien was barely promoted , suspect few actually heard it. a thought ; presumably R3 will be playing this bruce organ recital on "mixing it" , if not live then at some later date. an observation ; my request for a copy of the R6 wire session to circulate around was about as succesful as the dutch world cup campaign so its not just that i'm sitting on it gleefully and being a spoilsport. this would be a genuinely nice thing to have , sure nobody has a copy? any format would be fine. tragic if it isn't preserved for posterity really...... hopefully,p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:32:39 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Disch... In a message dated 6/25/02 11:40:40 AM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << Coppenhall also did BC Gilbert's "I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Discharge Cleaner" [or "RAUM"], >> what? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:27:41 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chrome Aliens on Board - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > Ian Bee > >>>The Germ Ship guitars put me in mind of Chrome's Wings Born in the Night / > Beacons to the Eye. > Raining Milk (which I understand to be an abridged version of Chronicles I+II, although I've not heard the latter) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:32:49 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the selection... a confession. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > >> Eric in Toronto asked: > > >> The question is-- Are there any ICers out there who have chosen others. When ABIAC came out, I called to Picadilly Records in Manchester and was torn between ABIAC (the reason for my visit) and It Seems which had a free Crammed Records comp album with it. Went for the intended target, and to this day have not heard It Seems ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:41:11 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] come to viddy Just have been watching some of Bjork video's here: http://www.bjork.com/snipsbits/video Not of a fan of her work, but some of these viddies are really outstanding - especially the one by Inez van Lamsweerde who's also happens to be a very gifted photographer. http://www.mmparis.com/ivlvm/index.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On another subject, with the new Guided by Voices album out 'n all, perhaps it's time again to play with the one and only very cool GBV song title generator: http://club.univac.tripod.com/joe/center-gbvsonggen.html Cheers! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:44:14 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Discharge Cleaner >>Coppenhall also did BC Gilbert's "I Play All My Records Through >>The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Discharge Cleaner" [or "RAUM"], > what? > RL Coppenhall also did BC Gilbert's "I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Discharge Cleaner" [or "RAUM"] Bart ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:54:30 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Disch... In a message dated 6/26/02 9:44:48 AM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << "RAUM" >> what is RAUM ???? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:28:44 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Disch... > what is RAUM ???? > > RL "Raum: One of the 500 artists on RRR's 500 Lock Grooves LP. A newly presented electronic artist with a forthcoming full length CD release planned on Raft for later this year. Minimal, electronic, effective. Full title: "I Play All My Records Through The Vac-O-Rec Anti Static Discharge Cleaner". B.C. Gilbert: Bruce Gilbert is a founding member of Wire. Also responsible for a brace of solo releases (including early dance commissions for Michael Clark), collaborations as Dome, P'o, Cupol, etc. with Graham Lewis of Wire. In the mid-nineties acted as the resident DJ for Blast First's Disobey Club (DJ Beekeeper) and performed solo in many electronic festivals. Constantly prolific, his discography is too large to list. His Raft piece is in the context of archive/installation/aggitation/field recording/art work." http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/raum.bc.gilbert.html Brt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:59:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] speaking of things that buzzzzz i just picked up a fascinating and intense cd.... THRENODY TO THE NEW VICTIMS OF HIROSHIMA: The First Insect Symphony played by Q.R. Ghazala on the Vox Insecta Instrument ....(Realization Recordings 1995) anyone familiar with Graeme Revell (of SPK) and his wonderful "Musique Brut: The Insect Muscians" cd will know what to expect...sort of...this is much more intense and frightening...The five pieces are played on the Vox Insecta, an elaborate insect voice synthesizer. In addition to insect sounds, the instrument also synthesizes orchestra textures, choirs, and a wide assortment of surreal musical voices...this cd might interest any fans of drone or darkly hypnotic music... from the liner notes by Ghazala: Time has blurred the focus of Hiroshima. No longer a city, a bomb, a people, or to many of even a specific war, the devastation of Hiroshima has become, right or wrong, an accepted symbol of human rationale. Mass destruction of life and property as a bargaining chip of a species establishes profound cultural boundaries and violent self-identity. It is this broad tragic reality of humankind, beyond penderecki's lost souls, that i lament. The collective mind of humanity has been shaped by a moment in history, and it seems as though we are all becoming the new victims of Hiroshima. While the choice of insects, survivors that they are, to sing such a threnody may be clear, composition considerations still present a real challenge. How would one compose, for human ears, retaining HUMAN sensibilities, an 'insect symphony' f arthropod voices, while yet retaining INSECT sensibilities? My decision was to follow general insect voice patterns while allowing the element of TIME to reshape the vocabulary and steer the composition. Phrases usually lasting moments now span minutes, insect calls and voice textures reproduced both above and below natural register. As in the sounds of the evening countryside, though i have introduced compositional order, much heard occurs by chance. and harmony is entirely accidental. thanks for reading, just felt like sharing with fellow listees... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:39:57 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Germs <-> Korea Keith wrote: > Oh what about that last hour in the last test match v Sri Lanka last > Monday??? > > "I fancy England to do it" (i.e. knock 50 runs off in 6 overs), said pundit > (and my childhood hero) Barry Richards. Fair play, cos I certainly didn't. > > Sublime or what? > - ----------- Indeed it was - as if cricket was reasserting itself in the midst of football's hegemony. Not to mention that incredible Surrey / Glamorgan game a few days later... another the Keith (looking forward to Somerset retaining the C&G trophy) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:46:50 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] the Pledge of Allegiance "A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the Pledge of Allegiance is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion and cannot be recited in schools." http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-pledge-of-allegianc e0626jun26.story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dnation%2Dheadlines ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:46:18 +0200 From: giluz Subject: [idealcopy] OT - dancing bush A very funny flash clip: http://www.eztaf.com/taf/ut-sublink.php?fid=1&e=iris.klein.stapel@canon-euro pe.com&pid=549 giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:28:34 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: chart bound wire sounds/Vien Howard re Eardrum Buzz... >anyone recall hearing it on the radio elsewhere? dear old Mark Radcliffe never misses a chance to play it...well, maybe thats never MISSED a chance, when he was doing the night-time shows... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:26:39 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [Fireparty] 8 Hour Beefheart show returns already HELLO WIRE FANS IN LONDON hEY; I know this is a very long shot.BUT ARE an y of you WIRE types into Capt.Beefheart?!argh!!!! I can hear the cries of despair down here in Cornwall. SEE ARTICLE/MESSAGE BELOW. I desperate for someone to do me a copy of this RESONANCE- BEEFHEART special!! help! your hopefully David in Cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike barnes" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: [Fireparty] 8 Hour Beefheart show returns already > Fire Party - http://www.beefheart.com/ > > Hi all > > If any of you want to try and get to hear the 8 hour RESONANCE FM Beefheart > show which was hosted by myself and Ivor Kallin on May 12th, it's being > broadcast again on Sunday 30th June 14.00 - 22.00 GMT. It's on 104.4FM in > the London area and also on streaming audio on www.resonancefm.com > > Thrill to the sound of two grown men trying to avoid being driven insane by > severe cabin fever. Lots of great music, rarities and related stuff, some > readings and guest interviews with ex-Magic Band musicians Gary Lucas and > John French. > > There, that's the plug. > > Mike x > > Hey, it's gone ominously quiet on this > list.....(creak)..........(drip)............................................ ............(silence) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > This message is from the fireparty@beefheart.com mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" in the subject (without > the inverted commas) to fireparty-request@beefheart.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:11:57 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sonic Youth/The Liars > Michael Flaherty > For the most part, Sonic Youth tends to very accessible live: the bursts of > noise are kept short, and jams are non-existent. They usually play a great > deal from the latest album (as you indicated), but sprinkle in enough > "hits" to keep the impatient interested. > > Their solo shows are the opposite of this; they seem to have a clear > division between their big label albums and tours and their independent > albums and concerts (including their spectacular group recordings for Sonic > Youth Records). to my eternal shame I haven't got any of the SYR recordings. any that you particularly recommend? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:49:41 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Underwater Experiences >>>Underwater Experiences with the full studio treatment / Mike Thorne production. There is, but it is absolutely atrocious & wooden in comparison to the demo on 'Behind the Curtain'!!! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:50:26 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: We're having that as a song title! Just as long as you don't mind risking getting sued for plagiarism, as I'll have to let Mr Gira know that a big moneyspinner uncool mainstream normalband is feeding off his ideas "(So Glad We're) Better Than You" First track off Swans - White Light From the Mouth of Infinity Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Drill Drill Drill FuckOff FuckOff FuckOff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:52:48 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Nurse With Wound The Wire Chris asked for Nurse >>>I have got to listen to NWW.I've being meaning to for some time now. Go on then...give me suggestions where to start ICer's. On reflection what a great name for a band.. It's often more a duo thing these days, but I'd recommend the brilliant 'An Awkward Pause' as a great doorway into his world, especially if you like bands like Can & Faust. If you want to hear some NWW fragments. short MP3 downloads can be found at www.brainwashed.com/nww Also agree with Robert that 'Thunder Perfect Mind' is an outstanding recording and I think it would be quite likely to appeal to most people who like Dome 3 a lot. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/zero21/htm NP Trevor Wishart - Journey Into Space www.stalk.net/paradigm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:53:11 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Posh Nice in Streets Ab Ovo giluz appeared to be getting a bit sarcastic >>>Well, he is a posh public schoolboy bohemian hippy with rich parents - what would you expect? If you weren't taking the piss, I'd just have to remind you not to listen to Kiddy Tim's muck spreading as he's just full of shite, as usual. These petty bourgeouis northern types often mistake anyone with a southern accent as 'posher' than them... Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine It's the end of the world as we know it and I've spammed fine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:57:20 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] How Many Are? Gil was inquiring >>>on the subject of selling, does anyone know how much did Wire albums ever sell? I bought 2 copies of 154 but both were 2nd hand, so they didn't register the sales anywhere. I bought a Chairs Missing LP new in 1984 but last year got a cheap 2nd hand CD. This leads me to the point that Wire records are staples of 2nd hand shops and always sell, so many people are hearing records for which the band do not get paid, and no sales are registered. This is inevitable. I recall this subject coming up before and I'm fairly certain that Charles Snider (WMO US) said that every 80s Wire release sold less than the previous one, with IdealCopy being the best seller. There was also an issue with non-payment from EMI for the earlier albums, and my understanding was that Paul Smith (Wire manager) was pursuing this debt. I have no idea if Wire have managed to get anything out of the bastards, and I wouldn't be surprised if a company like EMI fiddled the sales figures, especially when dealing with a band who walked off the label, considering their 'Outdoor Miner' chart hype scam. If you think about how many copies of Captain Beefheart albums must've been sold and how little he's got in remuneration, it's enough to make you puke. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Free Speech and No TV ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:13:45 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sonic Youth/The Liars on 27/06/02 01:11, Keith Astbury at keith.astbury10@virgin.net wrote: > to my eternal shame I haven't got any of the SYR recordings. any that you > particularly recommend? > In no particular order: Daydream Nation Sister Goo Evol Bad Moon Rising giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:33:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sonic Youth/The Liars > > to my eternal shame I haven't got any of the SYR recordings. any that you > > particularly recommend? > > > > In no particular order: > > Daydream Nation > Sister > Goo > Evol > Bad Moon Rising > > giluz I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here Giluz. I meant the series of EP length CD's they've released on their own label in recent years. More experimental stuff apparently. From the above, I would probably have to pick Daydream Nation myself. Although it didn't sound quite so great last time I heard it, it was the SY album that got me into them in the first place. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:29:29 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Posh Nice in Streets Ab Ovo on 27/06/02 00:53, Bill Hick at umur_ot@hotmail.com wrote: > giluz appeared to be getting a bit sarcastic >>>> Well, he is a posh public schoolboy bohemian hippy with rich parents - > what > would you expect? > > If you weren't taking the piss, Oh, but I was. Just forgot to add the :), which I did deliberately 'cause I think it's quite foolish - like saying after every funny thing that's coming out of your mouth (or, more correctly, something with the intention of being funny) 'this is a joke'. Guess I was wrong :). Yes, I do feel a bit sarcastic recently - open any news channel covering the middle east and you'll understand why. To anyone who needs a graphic representation of the previous paragraph that would definitely clear any doubts as to its meaning but would thus destroy any subtext, not to mention irony or anything remotely interesting, here goes: :( giluz ==================================== imc - ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:24:18 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] now booking In today's Metro (free daily paper read by a vast number of people) The 'now booking' section is headed, prominently, by Wire. Under a small photo...the caption reads... New wave legends and source for much of Elastica's inspiration, Wire perform material from Read & Burn - their first studio recording in more than ten years... July 20 ica later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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