From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #208 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 24 2002 Volume 05 : Number 208 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Post-Fennesz 6 String Laptop Grop ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Mojo Up the Spam Halfwing ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Santoor Lena Bicycle [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Ziggy Hickup [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] hi [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (un)able to take ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] The Ids are Alright ["ian.s. jackson" its a "must-like-it" ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... [Paul Pietromonaco ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:02:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B Giluz... > I think frustration from having one's pleasure cut off, > when done with talent, can be one of the main factors that make something > art. Ooh er Mrs! That sounds painful ; ) Don't tell Damien Hirst though, or he'll be putting his pride and joy in a glass cabinet for public consumption so to speak... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:34:15 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] The Ids are Alright Dan: > been auditioning the new guided by voices > (picked it up yesterday ... certainly seems preferable so far to its > relatively soulless immediate predecessor, which i rank last among their > god-knows-how-many albums) instead, pathetic pop addict that i am. Holland's a bit slow unfortunatly... so how is it Dan? Details, gimme details! "The best of both eras" sounds promising enough... Bart [earwhig] - ------------------ Universal Truths and Cycles - The New Album By Guided By Voices IN STORES NOW!!!!!! Read all about it at http://www.gbv.com Slamm giving it a 9 out of 10 rating: http://www.slammsd.com/article.php?id=975&atype=SoundWave - ------------------ Dryw Keltz: Guided By Voices: Universal Truths and Cycles / Matador 9 out of 10 "In 1992 Guided By Voices release their first landmark album, Propeller, after spending half the 80s and the early-990s recording in a Dayton, Ohio basement. The album caught the attention of recent local celebrities the Breeders (especially Kim Deal), and gained underground popularity. The lo-fi sound and catchy songs drew comparisons to Beatles demos. A year later, GBV releases Bee Thousand and the parade begins. Soon after they sign to indie giant Matador and release two of their greatest albums -- 19959s Alien Lanes and 19969s Under the Bushes, Under the Stars. The band leaves Matador after 19979s raw and rocking Mag Earwig and signs with big dog TVT who release 19999s Do the Collapse and 20019s Isolation Drills. So why, you may ask, have they returned to the Matador fold? Absent from the last two albums were two GBV trademarks: raw production and short scattershot songs peppered amidst more developed (longer) works. Universal Truths and Cycles re-introduces both of these elements into the fold while retaining the lessons learned about big production numbers. The result: the best of both eras. Perhaps most evident of band leader/ex-fourth grade teacher Bob Pollard9s current lineup (most of whom have been in tow since Do the Collapse) is the weight of sound they can produce. This primarily falls on the shoulders of lead guitarist Doug Gillard, whose style seems to have been developed at the Peter Townsend Guitar Academy. Songs like 3Eureka Signs2, 3Wings of Thorn2, and 3Cheyenne2 all worship at the altar of the Who. The inclusion of a song called 3The Ids are Alright2 may be a bit of a nod, too. The more punkish numbers -- 3Back to the Lake,2 3Wire Greyhounds,2 and 3Everywhere with Helicopter2 -- may be the catchiest, but the best songs sneak up on you after a couple of listens. The epic, typically dada-titled 3Christian Animation Torch Carriers2 is a slow-building anthem which leads to the 3Baba O Riley2-like climax; the trance-inducing 3Car Language2 builds on top of a repetitive bass line similar to their current live staple, 3Instrumental Beatle.2 Bob Pollard confesses GBV9s music influences center on The Four Ps: Punk, Prog, Pop and Psych. If these four are your favs, get this album. Guided by Voices may turn out to be the band you9ve been listening to all your life, you just haven't realized it yet." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:04:40 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] meltdown (i did) as pink-flagged up hereabouts last week (ta ian sj, keith, swim hq) BCG made an appearance as an honorary scapegoat in RFH punk-jazz dubfest w. terry edwards... briefly chatted to our man at the bar & got the word that he was coming on in the second half...spotted fatboy george en route to fischerspoon magog...TE kicked off w a well soulfull version of warsawa from 'low'...then a mighty punk thrash called 'we still hate margaret thatcher'...me too...our man scoped from the back of the crowd...a bloody brilliant noise this...horns & electronica....more tunes (gap in me notes here) then half-time... part the second...coupla fine tunes 'detroit made us' & 'call the doctor' w beautiful smokey sax sounds...more punky jazz blast in '7 steps to heaven' & (i think) a miles davis cover ' 81' ... then a slow melodica tune pure parisienne in mood...a deeply funked up vers. of 'cat people' in an al green style...putting out fire w gasoline...indeed! our man has moved onto the subs' bench offstage right...but here comes a mental dubwise 'totally wired-ah' wahey!...'tvc15', 'rebel rebel' & 'boys keep swinging' jump aboard the train to hooligan skaville...and now introducing, from wire...cheering...and our man is off the bench at last w his red guitar to add the noise to a v noisy wig-out tune...name unknown...terry e takes off from the stage and runs round the crowd...climbs onto a table...still blowing that sax ...behind the crowd now... sounds still blastin' from the stacks...(how do they do that?) and so it ends in fab mad meltdown... it was quite good :-] A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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(^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:06:28 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] In Soli Immortal States - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Merry Empty Pig Shop > Aah! A break from the World Cup! > > The mojo makers have cracked the cup? > >I'm sure we've covered this before but... > > > >Emptied Vinyl Exchange Manchester of uncool normal pigstreamers by getting > >them to play the Einheit / Brotzmann 'Merry Christmas' CD... > > > You brag about this? Not really bragging, just continuing the old thread. >You are hilarious! > I try. 9/10 listess say nothing about it whatsoever. > Was this some kind of special moment for you? No. It was funny. > How did it make you feel as those uncool, normal people left the shop? Like a glass shrimp in a reverse Dali Bag. Who are all these so called normal people? What is normal? > Did it make you feel better than them? No, it was just a funny thing. Somebody's had too much to think... > Aren't you a bit old to be judging people as 'uncool' because they don't > share your taste in music? > I was just being sarcastic and playing up to your warped perception of me. I've no idea whether the people in the shop really were 'uncool' (a completely nebulous concept if ever there was one) or even if they might have just left the shop anyway... > > > >Only request for a review copy of In Esse to Mute's regional press office came > >from Cracked Machine. > > You must have been so proud. > Why? It's just funny that people are paid to try to get other people listen to music / noise that they themselves don't want to listen to. I have an old friend who is a press officer in London, who freely admits that she doesn't actually listen to very many of the bands she is paid to hype. Mostly this is because the music is just so dull & mediocre, so it's even funnier when something is too abrasive atonal & noisy for 'em! Of course lots of copies of In Esse ended up in Vinyl Exchange (where most of the unwanted promos in the UK find a second life) for around three quid. They also had a fair few Ovo Mix 12" promos, and I never actually saw a new copy of that for sale anywhere in Manchester... To get press / TV / Radio coverage a huge amount of discs get chucked at people who just aren't interested, and why should they be when a lot of the people trying to get them interested aren't interested? I know a fairly well known music journalist who says the only way he's ever made enough money at it was selling the ludicrous amounts of unwanted promos he was sent. > "Oh it gets dark...it gets lonely...." > That's the pay off for maximum security twilight homes. > >It may not surprise some that none of the Hebden Bridge > >promotional people could actually make it to the end of Soli. > > Ha! The foolish mortals! They know nothing. > I always suspected that those of us who listen to 'Soli' regularly had become immortal. This must be what those Icelandic organists realised when they asked That Godfather Gilbert to conduct a grand experiment for them. It's a blessed state. > www.anarchine.coup > Partaking of Wrongbrain Wilson's Holy Law. > > > > > ________________________________________ > Two Fat Parsons....Click Click Click > http://www.kidsinpigbible.com > "So Glad We're Better Than You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:09:41 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Post-Fennesz 6 String Laptop Grop If you liked Fennesz, the following discs might also be of interest... Desormais - Climate Variations http://www.intr-version.com This album is similar to the big MBV overload guitar side of Fennesz, but also takes in ambient loopage which might appeal to all those who are not yet Bored of Canada. It's very dreamy and makes a great endlessly repeating soundtrack to an afternoon in bed. Ovil Bianca - Gravity=Love http://www.kraak.net As recommended by Fennesz, this is less similar but the opening track definitely recalls that Christianoise. Stuttering loops form hypnotic soundscapes from speech, pianos and guitars. This Belgian label has also just released the new Main CD, 'Tau'. Joseph Suchy - Entskidoo http://www.entenpfuhl.com Reviewed this masterpiece on the Brain a few months back. If you want something that ups the stakes after ES, cutting unique melodic angles into laptop noise from a guitarist who can obviously play the guitar very nicely without ever resorting to cliche, this is for you. 'Entskidoo' is an album anyone interested in innovation should hear. 'Essential' isn't enough - this just shot out of the blue and thwacked my ears with its playful originality soundscaping and dense enveloping miasma of melodic dissonance. Steinbruchel - zwischen.raum 3" http://www.domizil.ch A Zurich based sound artist who Fennesz has collaborated with, Steinbruchel takes sine tones and gives them a gradually unfolding warmth. More minimal than anything I've heard from Fennesz perhaps, but equally as effective... imagine the most haunting soundtracks of the BBC Radiophonic Worshop realigned in digital high tech media. Ilios - b.a. 3" http://www.antifrost.gr From a digistatic fog a ghostly carousel waltz emerges, coalesces and fades... cut to very 'Seven Year' itchy noise loop coda on tornado lake. You'll just have to wait until July for this though. There's been a flood of Fennesz recordings and all the ones I've heard have been worthwhile, although his recent recording with Mika Vainio has been getting negative reviews. I suspect I'd find something to like in it though, as Fennesz always seems interesting. Perhaps my least played Fennesz disc is 'Hotel Parallel' which seems a bit bitty compared to later glory. Perhaps the best ones to go for after 'Endless Summer' are the Touch CD with the long map ref title, which is noisier, and the Mego collaboration with Peter Rehberg & Jim O'Rourke 'The Magic Sound of Fenn O'Berg' which is more humourous & plunderous. Mego is soon to release a follow up 'The Return of Fenn O'Berg.' Most recent Fennesz disc I've heard is a 40 min improv session with Gert Jan Prins & Peter Van Bergen 'Dawn' (http://www.churchofgrob.com). It starts with a fractious piano run and then the slow haunting beauty unfolds from radiocaptures and junk contraptions complimenting the familiar Fennesz gentle guitarshift distortion textures. Definitely a worthy addition to the ever expanding Fennesz ouevre. Grob is a fantastic label with many interesting releases - Fennesz also plays in Keith Rowe's MIMEO. Longer review can be read here: http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv05i24.html Anyone who has an interest in idiosyncratic guitar playing should be intrigued by the highly unconventional way Keith Rowe approaches the instrument. Colin recorded an early Fennesz single ages ago. That Veteran ShoutyBloke knows what's happening! NP Kill Yourself / JR split 7" (Obscene Baby Auction) www.thejrthree.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:21:31 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] 1st Long Fast Paul desired Longer Fasts >>>1st fast-love this! i want a 10 minute version...NOW! How would you extend it? Which parts of the track would you keep going longer? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:56:06 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Mojo Up the Spam Halfwing > > << What is all that pretentious shit about??!! >> > > 1. An alternate reality sporting event in warped reflection. 2. A Magick Spell to put the mystic mojo on those dirty foreign English Cunts who I hate as much as some of you hate the French. 3. Something silly. 4. The end of the world as we know it (it happens every day). > > It's a pseudo-intellectual pissing contest. > > But you have to remember to piss in the fields, spam up the glam halfwing and take a normal tumble in the uncool tackle to win a puppy for the Bowie. > > Mark (as pissed off as you are!) > > > > It's a literal form of wanking with a Stanley Unwin mask on...if some of > you >know what I mean ... diddleypode hand shandying in the squiddlybush. > Chris More influenced by Chris Morris and William Burroughs really. >>>Bill Hick started talking bollocks... How can you hear me when I'm already dead? >>>some of which was directed at me (vicarsson badwrong wilson). What have you done to poor Mr Wilson now? >>>I responded with (funnier) bollocks. 9/10 listess agree (2 of them at least). >>>Bill Hick can't take a joke I took the joke and chopped it up until it was joking a bit different. >>>and so has continued to send the same bollocks over and over and over and over again, with hilarious consequences. It's not the same but different you don't see. >>>But I got bored and ignored him, After all that glorious bragging about starting a 'wacky race' I suspected you would flop at the first hurdle before hamming up the spamwing to win a puppy for the Bowie. I wasn't racing but tearing about. >>>but he wouldn't go away. Come back, I haven't finished. >>>But to be fair to Bill, and myself, There's no need for being fair. This is not a sports contest to get all pissed off over! >>>we've just been kind of amusing ourselves while you lot discuss the football. Speak for yourself! I'm looking for images and finding them in word collages. You lot are a great help! As for football. I think them lads done well to get all that dosh for kicking a ball around a field. It beats getting fuck all for shooting fuzzywuzzys, micks and chinks in the peace wars. >>>Y'all get the bollocks you deserve. Never Mind the Bollocks, here's the Hex Pistols Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:34:55 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Santoor Lena Bicycle Just recieved a cd-r of Santoor Lena Bicycle by Nurse With Wound (with Aranos)....this release was limited to just 500 when it came out in 2000, so i am quite thankful to the kind person who helped me out..i have wanted to explore this cd for some time now... This release is somewhat reminiscent of the more ambient moments of Mr. Stapleton's ouevre...sort of like a cross between Spiral Insana, Soliliquoy For Lilith, and the catchy moments of Acts of Senseless Beauty (also with Aranos)....some of the tracks are pure musique concrete, with bells, gongs, doors squeaking etc....Pierre Henry on a bad trip if you will..... while others are downright funky krautrock jam sessions (albeit short ones)...some spooky strings pop in out of the mix from time to time (as they usually do in NWW piece)......This cd has really struck a chord with me because it seems so much more organic than most of the NWW i have been exposed to...this shift of gears is certainly interesting and a welcome change from a lot of the noisy and abrasive things i have been listening to lately....Maybe i should be more disciplined in finding things like this instead of watching football and mojo-ing around....cheers to Mr. Stapleton! Robert "I don't dance...my hat would fall off" - Steven Stapleton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:05:23 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ziggy Hickup Bill: > 4. The end of the world as we know it (it happens every day). How very Ziggy! Bowie/Burroughs interview from 1974: Burroughs: Could you explain this Ziggy Stardust image of yours? From what I can see it has to do with the world being on the eve of destruction within five years. Bowie: The time is five years to go before the end of the earth. It has been announced that the world will end because of lack of natural resources. Ziggy is in a position where all the kids have access to things that they thought they wanted. The older people have lost all touch with reality and the kids are left on their own to plunder anything. Ziggy was in a rock-and-roll band and the kids no longer want rock-and-roll. There's no electricity to play it. Ziggy's adviser tells him to collect news and sing it, 'casue there is no news. So Ziggy does this and there is terrible news. 'All the young dudes' is a song about this news. It's no hymn to the youth as people thought. It is completely the opposite. > But you have to remember to piss in the fields, spam up the glam halfwing and > take a normal tumble in the uncool tackle to win a puppy for the Bowie. >> It's a literal form of wanking with a Stanley Unwin mask on...if some of >> you >> know what I mean ... diddleypode hand shandying in the squiddlybush. >> Chris > > More influenced by Chris Morris and William Burroughs really. You mean the way Bowie was influenced by Burroughs? Burroughs: Only politicians lay down what they think and that is it. Take a man like Hitler, he never changed his mind. Bowie: Nova Express really reminded me of Ziggy Stardust, which I am going to be putting into a theatrical performance. Forty scenes are in it and it would be nice if the characters and actors learned the scense and we all shuffled them around in a hat the afternoon of the performance and just performed it as the scenes come out. I got this all from you, Bill... so it would change every night. Burroughs: That's a very good idea, visual cut-up in a different sequence. For the whole article: http://www.algonet.se/~bassman/articles/74/brs.html Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:33:12 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] hi good god , i go away for 2 weeks and 450 mails in my mailbox , vast majority from this source. some very good ones though , heh heh. it was great fun being in france as les bleus fell marginally short of expectations. somebody could do themselves quite an injury falling over the vast piles of unsold merchandise :-) i think the R&B press is going to all come out around the time of the ICA gig as a double whammy. anyone seen the legendary video yet? do hope it gets some coverage , certainly deserves it. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:23:28 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (un)able to take - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury (on hypothetical longer versions) > though there is, of course, a very lengthy Peel session exception ; ) > As coincidence would have it, after having emailed the list, and before coming back to read the above, I'd just played Crazy About Love for the first time in probably 5 years or so, and have to say I quite enjoyed it! But then I've never had an aversion to it - just one of those I rarely go back to. In fact I played most of the Peel Sessions release. Much fun from the proto-154 tracks, especially The Other Window. I love what they ended up doing to that track. Just a thought, but as with the Manscape rejects that appear on Coatings, are there any fully formed tracks from the full sessions themselves which never made it to any of the other albums, say, perhaps a couple of 'lost'154 tracks. I'd like to think that somewhere out there there may be an Underwater Experiences with the full studio treatment / Mike Thorne production. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:33:45 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] The Ids are Alright ...or not, as the case may be... it pains me greatly to say this but, i'm not that impressed with the single 'Everywhere With Helicopter'...'GBV-by-numbers' to these ears. however, the Go Back Snowball (GBV's Bob Pollard & Mac from Superchunk, for the uninitiated...) LP 'Calling Zero' is growing on me, after a so-so start... ;0) ian.s.j. >Dan: > > been auditioning the new guided by voices > > (picked it up yesterday ... certainly seems preferable so far to its > > relatively soulless immediate predecessor, which i rank last among their > > god-knows-how-many albums) instead, pathetic pop addict that i am. > > >Holland's a bit slow unfortunatly... so how is it Dan? Details, gimme >details! "The best of both eras" sounds promising enough... > > >Bart [earwhig] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:51:56 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] if you knew fennesz like i know fennesz In a message dated 6/24/02 2:05:13 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >Desormais - Climate Variations >http://www.intr-version.com > >This album is similar to the big MBV overload guitar side of Fennesz, but >also >takes in ambient loopage which might appeal to all those who are not yet >Bored >of Canada. It's very dreamy and makes a great endlessly repeating soundtrack >to an afternoon in bed. description sounds a bit like loveliescrushing. any similarity there? >Joseph Suchy - Entskidoo >http://www.entenpfuhl.com >Reviewed this masterpiece on the Brain a few months back. If you want >something that ups the stakes after ES, cutting unique melodic angles into >laptop noise from a guitarist who can obviously play the guitar very nicely >without ever resorting to cliche, this is for you. 'Entskidoo' is an album >anyone interested in innovation should hear. 'Essential' isn't enough - >this >just shot out of the blue and thwacked my ears with its playful originality >soundscaping and dense enveloping miasma of melodic dissonance. well this could be my next purchase. sounds mighty fine on paper (or rgb when not printed out) :o\ - -paul (i'm going to read the mimeo review) c.d. n.p. r&b01 again, and again and again ba ba ba ba ba bang ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:57:29 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] uzine review of R&B WIRE "Read & Burn (01)" ****1/3 mcd - 2002-06-17 - Pinkflag (PF4) - 16'58" An astonishing return to form for Wire! Nearly ten years after their last release (- 1993's disappointing "Vien" single came as an afterthought on 1991's albums "The First Letter" and "The Drill" -), one of rock music's most important bands start the third part of their career with an uncompromising set of six relentlessly uptempo punk tracks with a modern edge. And all their trademark touches of class. Indeed, how delightful it is to see the band open their comeback set with a track titled "In the art of stopping"! When they first came back after a pause in their career, with 1986's equally grand "Snakedrill" e.p., they radically chose for a brand new start, not wanting to perform any of their classic work for Harvest live. This time around, the foursome - it's still the original line-up - have apparently incorporated older work in their stage set, but that does not mean that the six new tracks here aren't anything to look out for. Newman sneers as in his best days, Gilbert's guitar once again buzzes counterclockwise in unheard-of ways, Lewis's bass steers all the electricity into a relentless pace and Gotobed's meticulous no fuss drumming is once again divine. Each single title is stunning and some details are quite simply ravishing, e.g. Newman's offkilter singing and the two oddball breaks in "In the art of stopping", or the intro of "I don't understand", which is vintage Wire. The overall production is superb too, delivering both the energy and drive and the sophistication. The only lesser thing about this release (on Wire's very own Pinkflag label - see the website listed below) is that there's no lyric sheet, e.g. "Comet" seems to have a meta-ish lyric, with Newman singing "And the chorus goes and the chorus goes..." But then again, there's always the fansites for those matters. Anyone into energetic guitar music, be it punk, SST-styled stuff or whatever came after that (e.g. hardcore, but bands like Therapy? just as well) should urgently give this a listen. Sometimes, I'm even reminded of Motvrhead! See also U0110 for an interview with Graham Lewis. (pv) ///////////////thought i'd pass that one on. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:58:24 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 1st Long Fast In a message dated 6/24/02 2:09:35 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >Paul desired Longer Fasts >>>>1st fast-love this! i want a 10 minute version...NOW! > >How would you extend it? Which parts of the track would you keep going >longer? i'd like the last 14 seconds or so to continue for another 9 minutes. not sure how robert or colin would feel about that :oD - -paul c.d.uggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggadugga ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:10:52 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo Up the Spam Halfwing In a message dated 6/24/02 2:09:59 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >I'm looking for images and finding them in word collages. You lot are a >great >help! if you ever tire of the content in our posts, feel free to check here for lots more words: Trudge Dada http://members.tripod.com/~Trudge/dada.html heck, you may even find a link to the 12IOU movie around there ;o) - -paul (it's all in the art, it's all in the art) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:02:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ziggy Hickup > Bowie: I got this all from you, Bill... so it > would change every night. For one very weird moment, I thought our mate Dave was crediting our Graeme with his ideas. I need my tea ; ) > Burroughs: That's a very good idea, visual cut-up in a different sequence. Pasta seeing as you ask. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:18:58 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire -> its a "must-like-it" its a "must-like-it". regards, FrankfromBavaria> Frank--ask us about "Manscape!" Robert (another) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:37:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] uzine review of R&B > WIRE "Read & Burn (01)" ****1/3 > mcd - 2002-06-17 - Pinkflag (PF4) - 16'58" > > An astonishing return to form for Wire! Nearly ten years after their last > release (- 1993's disappointing "Vien" single came as an afterthought on > 1991's albums "The First Letter" and "The Drill" -) Thanks Paul. That's great. I guess this will have probably been discussed before, but what's the concensus on 'Vien' ? FWIW I *LOVE* 'Sexy & Rich'. It's right UP THERE for me... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:38:46 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Santoor Lena Bicycle Just recieved a cd-r of Santoor Lena Bicycle by Nurse With Wound (with Aranos)....this release was limited to just 500 when it came out in 2000, so i am quite thankful to the kind person who helped me out..i have wanted to explore this cd for some time now... Robert I have got to listen to NWW.I've being meaning to for some time now. Go on then...give me suggestions where to start ICer's. On reflection what a great name for a band.. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:47:30 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] uzine review of R&B In a message dated 25/06/2002 00:35:03 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > guess this will have probably been discussed before, but what's the > concensus on 'Vien' ? FWIW I *LOVE* 'Sexy & Rich'. > > It's right UP THERE for me... > > Keith > Absolutely Sexy & Rich is magnificent.Infact I'm playing it now.Listen & here the sarcasm in the vocals. MMMM !!! Stunning guitar work too. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:04:57 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo Up the Spam Halfwing [Warning: I'm in an extremely odd mood. Normal service will be resumed at some point next week. Meanwhile, here's some stream of consciousness raw bull. You won't miss much by skipping this...] On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 06:56:06PM +0100, Bill Hick wrote: > 1. An alternate reality sporting event in warped reflection. Sporting your pretensions on your sleeve, no doubt. :) But then, who doesnt? > 2. A Magick Spell to put the mystic mojo on those dirty foreign English Cunts > who I hate as much as some of you hate the French. I hate the French. And the English. And the Scots. (Considering I'm half-English, half-Scots, and I speak French, that's me stuffed then.) And anyone who feels the need to confuse nationality with identity. Misanthropy is the new ennui. > 3. Something silly. And on that note... > > 4. The end of the world as we know it (it happens every day). aaaAAAAAAND WE FEEL FINE! What this tangled morass of threads seems to be to me is an attempt to have an internecine bitchfight through the mediums of parody and sample-esque cut and paste. I think it works better with audio than text. But then, any attempt to play with the structure of language is going to have to match up to Anthony Burrows' creation of Nadsat for me, and not much does. Have a good evening, droogs. - -A - -- "Now, you can't change the way she feels, But you could put your arms around her..." - Massive Attack, "Protection" ('Protection') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:07:49 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo.... - Mea Culpa On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 01:04:57AM +0100, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > > I think it works better with audio than text. But then, any attempt to > play with the structure of language is going to have to match up to > Anthony Burrows' creation of Nadsat for me, and not much does. BURGESS, dammit, BURGESS. I said I was in an odd mood. - -A - -- "What else can I write? I don't have the right, Who else can I be? All apologies... " - Nirvana, "All Apologies" ('In Utero') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:50:26 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... Keith wrote: >Not a remarkable review in itself, but reviewer Stewart Lee awarded it a >maximum 3 stars ('outstanding'). Wonder if thats Stewart Lee of 'Lee & Herring' fame, who also compiled 'A Past Gone Mad' for The Fall. R&B is out there. They've got it in HMV which means it may tempt yer lapsed Wire fan who might not have know it existed. And branches of Polar Bear throughout the North of England, for those who like record shops with a heart.....although I refused to let them talk me into buying yet another re-issue of VU & Nico.....although it did look good enough to eat. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:37:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > R&B is out there. They've got it in HMV which means it may tempt yer lapsed > Wire fan who might not have know it existed. That's why I wish the cover was better. I could reasonably imagine, say, Pink Flag's sleeve catching the eye of someone who doesn't even know Wire and inspiring a purchase ("Hey, THAT looks interesting..."), but I can't see that happening with R&B. Although the reviews are finally starting to trickle out, R&B still seems - at the moment at least - likely to be heard only by the fanatics or those lapsed Wire fans who are looking through the racks with a view to replacing their old vinyl... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:59:14 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] The bleat goes on...baaaaaaa Sorry, my dear listees....but he won't let up....(Its only when he stops the I feel it!) >Like most gobshite reactionary rightminds, I quite like that! >Kid Timmy tries to score moral >credit points by pretending he isn't using the so called 'bad' words he is >using and makes a pointless stand in kind deference to potential censoring >wageslave drivers. Look Bill, or urmurururur at Hotmail dot microsoft evil corporation dot com or whatever the f**k your hilarious hide-behind name is this week: I call it consideration for my fellow listees on IdealCopy. I have no qualms about swearing, but the many contributors and lurkers on this list might. So I censor myself. Get over it Billy...its not a big deal! > He identifies himself with the tired old fart Bill >Grundy... Do I bollocks. I just mentioned his name! But to be fair, Bill Grundy played a pivotal role in the whole Pistols story. He was the fall guy, albeit a rather sad, drunk one. Maybe if Jeremy Paxman had been in the seat instead of Bill, he would have made an issue out of the Swastika that Siouxie was wearing, given them all a jolly good telling off, and Punk would gone a bit wrong. >He walked in nice streets above the normal cunts Get off yer high horse, posh public schoolboy. Don't try and pretend you are from 'the streets'! . >They soon had him back on his trotters with the stone >out as an upstanding pillar of Wrongbrain Wilson's spunking fountain in the >centre of Madchester where the nice streets were being cleared of dirty >homeless cunts in preparation for the money drive. Easy for a bohemian hippy with rich parents to say. So Who's the reactionary gobshite now? Don't worry baby, come the Commonwealth Games the streets will be full of fake, cheating scumbags from all over the country trying to blag a few quid off people. Enjoy. >Little Piggy turns and gives the finger to the World Camera. >"To my credit, I've got mine! Shy fuck you! Every crumb for himself!" And you call *me* a gobshite. Bill Hick is fast becoming a cult. "....Bill had been nice about it though..." (John Cale) ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:07:37 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... >That's why I wish the cover was better. > >I could reasonably imagine, say, Pink Flag's sleeve catching the eye of>someone who doesn't even know Wire and inspiring a purchase ("Hey, THAT >looks interesting..."), but I can't see that happening with R&B. Maybe we could get some of those airbrush artists who do the "phat" covers for "rap starz." to redesign R'n'B? Imagine this photo with the four members of Wire instead... http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000DLY6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg (If I had *any* photoshop capabilities here at work, I would have edited something for you. You'll just have to use your imaginations here..(^_^) It would just have a big airbrushed "W" at the top, then underneath the word Wire. Down below, it would say "Read And Burn". Don't forget the lightning bolt...) This would be "phat", not to mention "fly". The kidz. will snap it up right after they pick up the new Eminem CD. Later, my homies., Paul. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #208 *******************************