From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #207 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 24 2002 Volume 05 : Number 207 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [OT] uglyfootballers [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] OOOOW RATS! ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] kid S [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Where to find Noises? ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Sonic Youth/The Liars [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Sonic Youth/The Liars [MarkBursa@aol.com] AW: [idealcopy] Frankie says... [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B [Bart van Damme ] AW: [idealcopy] a real fine Grolsch Kanon [go figure] [Woerner Frank Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] uglyfootballers A[nother the] nr. 1 for Guus Hiddink: Ugliest of all euro-coaches. http://www.uglyfootballers.com [also check the lovely mullet-page] Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:59:36 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOOOW RATS! Bart - Is it true that Herzog just let the rats loose and they terrorised the town for years thereafter? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: Cc: wire-news Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOOOW RATS! > > now playing: POPOL VUH soundtrack to Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu" ...THANKS > > FERGUS!!!!! > > > As a kid I was a witness to some of the takes of that movie of wich many > were shot in the city of Delft, very close to the Hague [where I'm from > originally]. All those rats caused quite a stirr in the city. > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:01:55 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... Nope, not seen a single reference to date in the mainstream. This now puts Wire on a par with Peter Hammill of course... (sorry, let's not go there again). R&B was on sale in HMV Oxford St last week however. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Ian B ; > > has anyone read a review of it in a mainstream mag yet? seems to have been > totally ignored by them... > > keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:11:23 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... Well, I came to R&B as someone for whom Pink Flag IS the Wire highpoint and it works for me too. I think Frank is way off on this point - it sounds like the best thing all year to me and (despite the fact that I'm part of this list) that response was never guaranteed. As a bit of objective input I've leant R&B to a couple of friends who like Wire but are not big fans and they've been blown away too. For me it has an almost visceral excitement which changes my state of mind while it's playing which is usually a sign of quality. As for Ian's contention that nothing on PF if 'fierce and vital' - Reuters? Pink Flag? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian B To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:25 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > Frank from Bavaria suggested that some of the positive response to R+B might > be to do with a kind of 'it's wire so it's good' mentality and that had it > not been Wire some listers mightn't have given it the time of day. > As a brief personal response I'd say that i'd admit to perhaps allowing more > chances beyond first impression to artists that I like and who've > consistently delivered, even if the initial plays are a bit tricky (first > plays for long anticipated releases are not always the best barometer) than > to 'recommendations' or those on which you've taken a punt. If you know > something about the artists involved and their mindset/intentions, it can > allow a greater indulgence, persistence an patience. > However, I have to say as regards Read and Burn, I was very wary. I'm no > big fan of Pink Plag, although everything else since is essential, and so to > resurrect items from that album for the live shows, to name the imprint and > website after it and to release a reworked version of a 'legendary' (but > just another) track from that album left me in two minds about where phase 3 > was going. > But when R+B arrived in the post I stuck it on the headphones and was > immediately grabbed by and slapped about the face with it. The Pink Flag > comparisons which have appeared on this list leave me a little baffled. I > don't think there's anything on that album quite as fierce and vital as this > stuff. And I Don't Understand goes immediately right up there with the best > ever Wire for me. > My worry is that the format will perhaps not lend itself to commercial > viabilty, and without that, I fear that plugs may be pulled before the full > project is realised. That having been said, I'm no business/marketing/media > type so maybe I'm wide of the mark on that aspect. > Ian B (just back from a local boozer that served well for years but is now > dying on it's arse; but a great night; laughed till it hurt) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:19:27 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > R&B was on sale in HMV Oxford St last week however. Listers may be interested in the current MVC sale if there's one near you - my local branch had REM and Mercury Rev's last albums for #5.99 and the Doves 'Lost Souls' for #4.99... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:23:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOOOW [grey painted] RATS on jenever! another the Keith: > Bart - Is it true that Herzog just let the rats loose and they terrorised > the town for years thereafter? Nice image Keith! But I never saw a rat myself... apparently these scenes were shot in nearby Schiedam. I googled: "As with most of Herzog's films, the story behind the production is almost more interesting than the film itself. Unable to shoot in Bremen, as Murnau did in 1922, Herzog prepared to settle for the Dutch town of Delft. Still bitter over their occupation by the Nazis during WWII, the citizens of Delft were less than enthusiastic about this small army of German filmmakers invading their town. When Herzog announced his plan to release 11,000 rats into the streets of Delft for the scene in which Nosferatu arrives (the director wanted grey rats but could only obtain white ones, which his crew painted grey), the Delft burgermeister categorically refused and told the apparently insane German that his town had just spent months clearing the canals of their own home-grown rats and had no intention of reinfesting the area with laboratory rats from Hungary. Nonplussed, Herzog moved his rats to a more accommodating city, Schiedam, where he was allowed to shoot, albeit on a smaller scale." Still leaves you wondering what happened to all those grey painted rats... Schiedam is famous for it's jenever breweries so perhaps the rats mutated into some kind of huge grey killer alco-rodents... [great name for a band!] Bart More on Herzog: "Werner Herzog is the kind of director you work with if you want life to be all hairy, all the time. He made his first film with stolen cameras, hypnotised his entire crew for Heart Of Glass, released a plague of rats into Delft for Nosferatu, landed a documentary crew on a volcano that was about to rip and once drew a gun on his star Klaus Kinski, screaming: "Act, motherfucker. Act!" Fitzcarraldo was the story of a conventionally Herzogian maniac (Kinski, no surprises) who pulls a steamship over a mountain. Herzog decided he would do the same - with a real boat. And all this after having shot half of the film, lost his entire cast (Mick Jagger, Jason Robards), waited two years and started all over again. "We were cursed," Herzog recalled. There were battles between local Indian tribes, Kinski was monumentally egotistical from start to finish ("he can scream in a way you cannot believe" - Herzog), brain-eating parasites lurked in the water, a plane crash paralysed one of the extras, and another three were injured pulling the tub over the hill. "After a while, even my best friends treated me like someone gone mad," said the director." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:39:09 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Let dove rule! keith: > Listers may be interested in the current MVC sale if there's one near you - > my local branch had REM and Mercury Rev's last albums for #5.99 and the > Doves 'Lost Souls' for # 4.99... http://www.mvc.co.uk/common/product.jhtml?pid=10267701 Doves 'Lost Souls' for # 3.99... bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:44:25 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kid S "THIS IS RADIO KIDS" http://www.kidsindestructible.com Nice selection Tim! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:37:08 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... If Pink Flag was "basic Wire mark 1" and the Ideal Copy "basic Wire mark 2" then Read and Burn vol. 1 certainly takes it's inspiration and force of impact from both of those releases. Obviously theres the classic, streamlined Pink Flaggy taut, tough, "wirery" sound, there's the 1st albums' anger and ferociousness. There's also the Idealistic technological sheen and imposing machine-like brawn and endurance. I'd say that Wire pay hommage to and reaffirm their roots, their rason d'etre, and lay the groundwork to moving on to future growth and suprises in the most Wirelike of ways. - - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian B" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > Frank from Bavaria suggested that some of the positive response to R+B might > be to do with a kind of 'it's wire so it's good' mentality and that had it > not been Wire some listers mightn't have given it the time of day. > As a brief personal response I'd say that i'd admit to perhaps allowing more > chances beyond first impression to artists that I like and who've > consistently delivered, even if the initial plays are a bit tricky (first > plays for long anticipated releases are not always the best barometer) than > to 'recommendations' or those on which you've taken a punt. If you know > something about the artists involved and their mindset/intentions, it can > allow a greater indulgence, persistence an patience. > However, I have to say as regards Read and Burn, I was very wary. I'm no > big fan of Pink Plag, although everything else since is essential, and so to > resurrect items from that album for the live shows, to name the imprint and > website after it and to release a reworked version of a 'legendary' (but > just another) track from that album left me in two minds about where phase 3 > was going. > But when R+B arrived in the post I stuck it on the headphones and was > immediately grabbed by and slapped about the face with it. The Pink Flag > comparisons which have appeared on this list leave me a little baffled. I > don't think there's anything on that album quite as fierce and vital as this > stuff. And I Don't Understand goes immediately right up there with the best > ever Wire for me. > My worry is that the format will perhaps not lend itself to commercial > viabilty, and without that, I fear that plugs may be pulled before the full > project is realised. That having been said, I'm no business/marketing/media > type so maybe I'm wide of the mark on that aspect. > Ian B (just back from a local boozer that served well for years but is now > dying on it's arse; but a great night; laughed till it hurt) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:15:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > >>Nope, not seen a single reference to date in the mainstream. >> 1st sighting - Sunday Times Culture section today has positive review and pic of the cover. Wahey! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:13:58 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > > >>Nope, not seen a single reference to date in the mainstream. >> > > 1st sighting - Sunday Times Culture section today has positive review and pic > of the cover. Wahey! > > Mark Just seen it myself and was just about to answer my own question! Anyway, for non-UK listers and non-SundayTimes readers, here's what it says... Wire's 1970s albums both embodied and redefined their era. As spirited nonmusicians, Colin Newman, Bruce Gilbert, Graham Lewis and Robert Grey were enabled by punk's DIY ethic, but used it to pursue more self-consciously artistic ends. Reforming briefly in the mid-80's, they welded their brutal, minimal aesthetic to loops and electronics, then successfully sued the thin Britpop group Elastica for plagiarism. Now Wire return with a six track mini album that sounds like their 1980s incarnation playing their 1970s songs, and delivers a fiercely intense noise within tightly delineated limits. The opening lines of Comet are an accurate description of, and sales pitch for, the record itself. "It's coming fast, it's a comet, it's coming this way with your name on it." Not a remarkable review in itself, but reviewer Stewart Lee awarded it a maximum 3 stars ('outstanding'). Also featured on the same page are The Rapture, who released that really good single 'House of Jealous Lovers' a few months back. Describes them as "early 1980's disco-punk meets Philly Soul, with echoes of PIL, Gang of Four, Talking Heads, Screamadelica-era Primal Scream, Happy Mondays - and endearingly, if a little confusingly, very early Duran Duran". Keith NP Sunflower - The Beach Boys ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:45:45 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B Thanks to Keith Astbury for transcribing the ST review of R+B - saved me a job. I actually thought Steve Graziano's was pithier, though. Keith Knight said "As for Ian's contention that nothing on PF if 'fierce and vital' - Reuters? Pink Flag?" What I wrote was that nothing on PF was AS fierce and vital as R+B. I do (and recently did) revisit Pink Flag; it has some great moments but somehow doesn't affect me in the same way as what came after. As an aside, two tracks that should last longer; French Film Blurred (more layered guitars please) Solid or Vanish ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:39:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B > Thanks to Keith Astbury for transcribing the ST review of R+B - saved me a > job. now if i'd known you were gonna do it!!! > I actually thought Steve Graziano's was pithier, though. yeah, agreed. > As an aside, two tracks that should last longer; > French Film Blurred (more layered guitars please) > Solid or Vanish 12XU Another The Letter. All of Read & Burn. Most of mark 1 Wire actually, come to think of it! though there is, of course, a very lengthy Peel session exception ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:06:01 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] How Mania? Like most gobshite reactionary rightminds, Kid Timmy tries to score moral credit points by pretending he isn't using the so called 'bad' words he is using and makes a pointless stand in kind deference to potential censoring wageslave drivers. He identifies himself with the tired old fart Bill Grundy... He walked in nice streets above the normal cunts but his uncool bile duct became blocked by stray jawbones and his mind cocked a snooker on his twisted nerves. He saw white rabbits lurking in every imitation Dutch WC Bar, talking loud of their wonderland for which he could never sanction approval, for they made his Nazi rococo rot. Tea Coseys haunted the cracks of his badly drawn kiddysulking Wrongbrain, and the mainstream drugs he knew they fed on would not let him sleep at night. Wrongbrain Wilson drove him home in a Nazi CUNT carrier, but later he was heard ranting in the nice streets near the steps of the maximum twilight piggerage. He was more drunk than a chain of honking order! "I'm picking up goob vibrations, a bar bar ba man, keep yer tea coseys off me, hook me a melon, Marc Riley pop me good in me spunking Wilson, New Order New Order, we all need law & order!" The men in white looked down from a height and saw that he needed help to fit back into Wrongbrain Wilson's Piggy Scheme. He was driven in priestly cunt carrier to a surgical WC bar where an orange capped Dutchman performed a lobotomy on his chaos. They soon had him back on his trotters with the stone out as an upstanding pillar of Wrongbrain Wilson's spunking fountain in the centre of Madchester where the nice streets were being cleared of dirty homeless cunts in preparation for the money drive. Little Piggy turns and gives the finger to the World Camera. "To my credit, I've got mine! Shy fuck you! Every crumb for himself!" [Applause] - -Epilog- There wasn't much happening in moribund Manchester that weekend. Sonic Youth rolled into town to play the most exciting big gig since probably the last time they played here. The dirty drunken daydream was making an endless cotton crowned butterfly scene. Fragmentation was the rule. Unity was not taught in school. How easily it slipped away. Liars opened and paced it so that each track got more wigged'n'wired than the previous one. They played rock ripped back to primal rhythm and fucked bludgeon beat with a tall lanky part Aboriginal Aussie dressed in white tennis duds hollering surreal slogans and quasi-rap chants. They appeared to have caught essence of Teenage Jesus Contortions No Wave Brainiac Beastie Birthday Party in the maws of their claws, and spat them all back mangled but kickin'. Bassist switched to a two tone squeal box to bolster the second track but made me want to hear them in a smaller venue just to get the full whack of his low tornado blasts. The drummer was tight and hi-hat fastcrazy, and programmed beats made a big pummeling rhythmess. Liars had many impressed that they'd just seen the best band they'd never heard of before for quite some time, even if a few Rightminded Bitchybrains were probably a bit flustered by the lack of melody. Their unhinged wildness threatened chaos around every corner, as if untamed lawn mowers rode by rogue paint gun splatterers might materialise and drive down the crowd at any minute. But you'd scream the crazy no wave beatbox pox too if you had Neolithic Nomads hiding in your bathroom! Five minutes down the road improvisers Bark! were playing a free gig. It was one of those nights when you'd have had to split yourself in two. This evening Kill Yourself, Everybody is Going to Die, And None of Them Knew They Were Robots and Twelve Hour Turn will fire off more guitar mayhem for Manchester to rock moribund to. This has been a broadcast from the main ungarded provivalist avant steam po'er experigressive hit stream. It continues... ******************************************************** The contents of the Read-mail and any Burn files are confidential and intended solely for the use of Jonathan Ross with his long foppish fringe and loud green Marmite on Goalposts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:43:29 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where to find Noises? speaking (very tangentially) of which, my major find on a just-concluded trip back home to little rock was a $1 cd (from the same discard bin where i found the first swim team comp a year or so ago) of (deep breath) the 150 murderous passions of those belonging to the fourth class, composing the 28 days of february spent in hearing the narrations of madame desgranges, interspersed amongst which are the scandalous doings at the chateau during that month. had no idea it had come out on cd, but i'd been intrigued by the title ever since coming across the listing in volume: the international discography of the new wave some 2 decades ago. not that i've had the nerve, given its provenance (united dairies/come organisation) to play it yet ... been auditioning the new guided by voices (picked it up yesterday ... certainly seems preferable so far to its relatively soulless immediate predecessor, which i rank last among their god-knows-how-many albums) instead, pathetic pop addict that i am. dan, wondering if this world cup nonsense is finally nearing an end (but then i *do* like basketball, or at least did up until the demise 26 years ago of the old american basketball association, the mailing-list devoted to which was actually the scene last week of a bit of discussion about old punk until scolding about off-topic posts erupted) >>Eric just wanted to get on the outside >> >>>>I'd like to get away from the mainstream more. My problem is where to >>look for this stuff. I see listees mentioning artists I've never heard >>of. Where do you guys find out about these artists? In magazines? >>Websites? Do you listen to samples first? Or just take a chance? >>Discuss please. > > >I'd also add to Graemes extensive list > >http://www.boomkat.com > >For the more electronically inclined, like myself. >Its an on-line shop but they write informative and impassioned reviews of >new releases every week. >Alas, you can't hear any ra or mp3's of the music reviewed but I find its a >good place to start for new discoveries. They write a good sales pitch! > >Otherwise, I sometimes listen to 'Mixing It' on Radio 3 www.bbc.co.uk/radio3 >Which occasionally yeilds a gem. >I'm currently listening to 'A Livingroom Hush' by Jaga Jazzist, which I >first heard there. (Sounds like a more animated and melodic Tortoise, with >the odd nodd to Squarepusher) > >I hate to say it but the dreaded 'The Wire' magazine occasionally inspires >me to buy something although I've given up on it recently. > >Also, this list occasionally yields some useful recommendations. Graeme, >when he isn't busy answering his critics, can often be relied on to >recommend something to challenge the inner-ear of most idealcopyists. > > > >________________________________________ >Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click >http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:28:55 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Sonic Youth/The Liars Managed to make the Manchester Sonic Youth gig after all - very lucky, just the one 'return' when I finally rang for a ticket on the day. So, just to add my two-penneth... The support act The Liars were great - to listen to and watch. The lead singer, a mullet headed David Johansson, had genuine charisma, the bass player - - a balding man a with a forehead of Kelsey Grammer proportions - drove things forward together with a drummer who has presumably been listening to Stephen Morris - one track had a very Atrocity Exhibition feel about it. The star for me though was the baby Troy Tate on gtr, who played frenetically one minute and then forced all kinds of great sounds the next. The Liars were loud, thrashy, exciting and in-yer-face - and like fellow NY band the Rapture, they sounded like their parents had weaned them on the Gang of Four. And the crowd loved them. And then SY wandered on. My God! Thurston still doesn't look any older, though god knows what wrinkles lie behind that extended fringe. I hadn't seen SY live before, but it was a more accessible performance than I expected - Thurston chatted to the audience, threw someone a bottle of water and told her to share it, and Kim's notorious (on these pages at least) trumpet was conspicuous by it's brassy absense. The SY sound, when they're firing on all cylinders, can be a beautiful thing - and there were a number of times tonight when they were flying. (Jim O'Rourke fitted in really well, whether he be on additional gtr or when he took on bass duties to allow Kim to concentrate on her funny little skip-like dancing). The set was - of course - dominated by the new album, and all the new stuff sounded good live. Empty Page, for example, had the obligatory great gtr work , and some neo-west coast harmonies c/o Lee and Thurston. Definitely not the disappointment it at first sounded. A hilite for me was another newie, the first encore Disconnection Notice - a slow, almost bluesy thing sung by Thurston, that was at odds with much of the rest of the show. Very lazy sounding, in the nicest menaing of the word. So, short sharp shocks, extended atonal wig-outs, and some of the coolest people in their forties you could imagine. Yep, ladies and gentlemen, the Sonics were great. And on the strength of one listening and the live performance, I think Murray Street is gonna be a goodie. In at number three with a bullet in my faves LP's of the year, in fact pop pickers. I love them, I love them, I love them, what's their name... Keith np Oscillating - Immersion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:43:42 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B on 23/06/02 17:45, Ian B at ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > As an aside, two tracks that should last longer; > French Film Blurred (more layered guitars please) > Solid or Vanish > I think they should all remain the same length they're at (and especially the R&B tracks) - there's nothing better than something that leaves you wanting more of it. I think frustration from having one's pleasure cut off, when done with talent, can be one of the main factors that make something art. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:07:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sonic Youth/The Liars Keith, > Managed to make the Manchester Sonic Youth gig after all - very lucky, just > the one 'return' when I finally rang for a ticket on the day. > > Looking forward to the London gig on tuesday...don't think we ge the Liars > though - I think The Notwist is support, which suits me as it's a band I've > been looking forward to seeing. maybe Liars are 3rd on the bill... > > Murray Street (on one listen so far) sounds very good indeed. O'Rourke > certainly puts his stamp on it ... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:18:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sonic Youth/The Liars Correction. We do get the Liars at SBE, as well as Notwist. Looks like a good bill.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:40:15 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.astbury10@virgin.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Juni 2002 01:55 > An: Ian B; idealcopy@smoe.org > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... > > > Ian B > > And I Don't Understand goes immediately right up there with the best > > ever Wire for me. > > hurrah!!! that's two of us! track of the year so far IMO... > > > My worry is that the format will perhaps not lend itself to > commercial > > viabilty, and without that, I fear that plugs may be pulled > before the > full > > project is realised. > > has anyone read a review of it in a mainstream mag yet? seems > to have been > totally ignored by them... Did they get promo copies? If not ... no wonder it gets ignored. Is it available at "normal" record shops? regards, FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:46:07 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ST review / R+B Ian B: > As an aside, two tracks that should last longer; > French Film Blurred (more layered guitars please) > Solid or Vanish French Film Blurred imo is one of Wire's most perfect songs... Couldn't stand anything changed to it myself... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:49:19 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] a real fine Grolsch Kanon [go figure] > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] > Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juni 2002 18:38 > An: wire-news > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] a real fine Grolsch Kanon [go figure] > > > > Bart drank thusly... > >>> ND: a real fine Grolsch Kanon [go figure] > > > > I hope that you are using the correct trappist glass...:-] > > > > A > > > Can't even do THAT right! > > Bart [glugluglug - out of bottle - no worm - no blame] > > NP: The Popgroup - Where There's A Will [Slits on B-side] Maybe the German football team also listened to the Pop Group ...??? Those friday matches were a perfect example for demonstrating how important a "real fantastic" goal keeper is. regards, FrankfromBavaria np: Another one (South Korea) bites the dust - Queen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:11:41 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Morons by proxy > FrankfromBavaria > np: Another one (South Korea) bites the dust - Queen Germs <-> Korea [Hiddink] is Deutschland <-> Holland by proxy... Bart [glugluglug] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:25:42 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] drunk butterfly in carnation Keith: > I love them, I love them, I love them, what's their name... Bill: > The dirty drunken daydream was making an endless cotton > crowned butterfly scene. Read all about their secrete date at the Manchester SY magog [carnation in buttonholes] ;-) Bart [pictures, we've got pictures!] ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #207 *******************************