From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #206 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, June 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Speaking of the Spermwhale [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] comet hits dating show [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fordisms and so forth ["Ian B" ] RE: [idealcopy] What's that shit? [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] meltdown ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured ...webern ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] world cup ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] Frankie says... ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] What's that shit? [Tim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:37:10 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Speaking of the Spermwhale Robert L. > i wouldn't have known any frank black > songs yet. can't remember at all if there were any unfamiliar songs played > that night, but i do remember him singing "do the manta ray" and waving his > arms like a...manta ray. heh Manta Ray? Hard to picture Frank as anything else than a spermwhale... One gig [sorry, magog] I stood at the very front of the stage... I tell you, I could hardly see his face because of his hugeness... scary stuff! Bart [going WILD at Crackity Jones now to celebrate Hiddink's... er... Korea's victory] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:47:39 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOOOW RATS! > now playing: POPOL VUH soundtrack to Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu" ...THANKS > FERGUS!!!!! As a kid I was a witness to some of the takes of that movie of wich many were shot in the city of Delft, very close to the Hague [where I'm from originally]. All those rats caused quite a stirr in the city. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:57:29 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] comet hits dating show what timing! r&b01 arrived today. first impressions: art of stopping-i'm very excited to have new wire spinning in the cd player, and this made for a great opening. my five-year-old daughter agreed and brought her lunch into the living room (aka punk rock cafe) and dined on grilled cheese and apple juice while bopping along to the boys. and speaking of the boys...with respect to all four of course...bruce and robert kick ass on this disc! i don't understand-i don't have a real review to offer on this or the rest of the disc yet, only having one listen so far, but i dig the vocals. reminds of savage republic-sucker punch. i'm settling in already as the overall sound of r&b01 turns out to be pretty consistent throughout. comet-i'd love to hear this or any of the others on a tv show. i'd like it even better if the couple on the dating show had to listen to r&b01 on a 16 minute cab ride. germ ship-so far, a blur. 2nd listen coming right up. 1st fast-love this! i want a 10 minute version...NOW! i may have to do some reading and burning on my puter for that ;o) agfers of kodack-i recall some listers saying this is their least favorite of the 6. i think it makes a nice closer, but... my complaints at this point are: too short. considering how alike the tracks seem to be, you think there'd be more worthy of inclusion. like a 10 minute 1st fast! dugga dugga dugga i wouldn't have minded a little text or art to go with the whole package. some digipacks have a sleeve inside the cover for a foldover, booklet, etc... and speaking of the package- i like the design a lot. and the hallway photo is nice, but much more interesting upside down. let listen #2 commence now - -paul c.d. p.s. colin signed in blue, the rest in black. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:13:06 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fordisms and so forth - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury From: Ian B > now printing off - Leeds United fixture list 2002/03 From: Keith Astbury > you mean there's two of you here ; ) > Oh yes! A season ticket holder to boot. My ears ring from the noise of the wheels coming off. And since there were no takers, the answer to my question was Answer to Your Question. Wish I'd never asked. The Germ Ship guitars put me in mind of Chrome's Wings Born in the Night / Beacons to the Eye. Note that Posteverything now lists Read & Burn release date as 17th June, when we all know it's out and about. A misprint or a relaunch? Anybody 'in the know' know how it's doing? Tomorrow (or at least next Sunday) belongs to Frank from Bavaria. The rest of us just have to accept it. Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: RE: [idealcopy] What's that shit? - --- Eric Klaver wrote: > Of Bill's contribution many people wrote something > like: > > > << What is all that pretentious shit about??!! >> > > > > It's a pseudo-intellectual pissing contest. > > > > Mark (as pissed off as you are!) > > > > It's a literal form of wanking with a Stanley Unwin > mask on...if some of > you > know what I mean ... diddleypode hand shandying in > the squiddlybush. > Chris > ////////////////////////////////////// > > Why are you guys taking this so seriously? When I > have time I sit, read, and > enjoy. When I don't have the time, any email longer > than the window bounding > it is trashed. > > That simple. > > Eric in Toronto. I agree with Eric,Hill Bigups does have a very unusual and interesting prose(ak)I rarely have time to read 'the list',but when I do have the time I click onto Bills postings just for the sheer 'kick out of it' whatchamathingy,not that I agree with anything he writes(well sometimes i do)but what the hick,lifes too short to take too seriously of snakes.Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:08:22 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] meltdown Alistair... >Is this Terry Edwards the horn player/multi-instrumentalist/arranger >who has worked with everyone from Madness to Test Dept. ? >(according to AMG) i believe this to be correct information sir...maybe most famous for his fantastic (Fall/J&MC/Miles Davis etc.,) cover versions... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:41:02 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured ...webern >hehe, well now i ended up getting 80 (instead of 74) minute cds, and >keith's >right...you don't have to leave out much! here's what i ended up with: > >disc 1- > > rock music >alec eiffel >bird dream of the olympus mons... whahey!!!!!! a great decision... ;0) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:50:56 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] world cup > > still not convinced by this german team Frank > >i remember not being convinced by the german team in 1974 and 1990 ; ) ...problem is, i'm convinced they're in the semi-finals... ;0) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:25:24 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] Frankie says... Frank from Bavaria suggested that some of the positive response to R+B might be to do with a kind of 'it's wire so it's good' mentality and that had it not been Wire some listers mightn't have given it the time of day. As a brief personal response I'd say that i'd admit to perhaps allowing more chances beyond first impression to artists that I like and who've consistently delivered, even if the initial plays are a bit tricky (first plays for long anticipated releases are not always the best barometer) than to 'recommendations' or those on which you've taken a punt. If you know something about the artists involved and their mindset/intentions, it can allow a greater indulgence, persistence an patience. However, I have to say as regards Read and Burn, I was very wary. I'm no big fan of Pink Plag, although everything else since is essential, and so to resurrect items from that album for the live shows, to name the imprint and website after it and to release a reworked version of a 'legendary' (but just another) track from that album left me in two minds about where phase 3 was going. But when R+B arrived in the post I stuck it on the headphones and was immediately grabbed by and slapped about the face with it. The Pink Flag comparisons which have appeared on this list leave me a little baffled. I don't think there's anything on that album quite as fierce and vital as this stuff. And I Don't Understand goes immediately right up there with the best ever Wire for me. My worry is that the format will perhaps not lend itself to commercial viabilty, and without that, I fear that plugs may be pulled before the full project is realised. That having been said, I'm no business/marketing/media type so maybe I'm wide of the mark on that aspect. Ian B (just back from a local boozer that served well for years but is now dying on it's arse; but a great night; laughed till it hurt) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:55:07 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frankie says... Ian B > And I Don't Understand goes immediately right up there with the best > ever Wire for me. hurrah!!! that's two of us! track of the year so far IMO... > My worry is that the format will perhaps not lend itself to commercial > viabilty, and without that, I fear that plugs may be pulled before the full > project is realised. has anyone read a review of it in a mainstream mag yet? seems to have been totally ignored by them... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 03:34:07 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Merry Empty Pig Shop Aah! A break from the World Cup! >I'm sure we've covered this before but... > >Emptied Vinyl Exchange Manchester of uncool normal pigstreamers by getting >them to play the Einheit / Brotzmann 'Merry Christmas' CD... You brag about this? You are hilarious! Was this some kind of special moment for you? How did it make you feel as those uncool, normal people left the shop? Did it make you feel better than them? Aren't you a bit old to be judging people as 'uncool' because they don't share your taste in music? >Only request for a review copy of In Esse to Mute's regional press office came >from Cracked Machine. You must have been so proud. "Oh it gets dark...it gets lonely...." >It may not surprise some that none of the Hebden Bridge >promotional people could actually make it to the end of Soli. Ha! The foolish mortals! They know nothing. www.anorak'd.machine.cop ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 03:05:53 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What's that shit? Chris wrote, after Mark > > << What is all that pretentious shit about??!! >> > > > > It's a pseudo-intellectual pissing contest. > > > > Mark (as pissed off as you are!) > > > > It's a literal form of wanking with a Stanley Unwin mask on...if some of > you >know what I mean ... diddleypode hand shandying in the squiddlybush. > Chris Bill Hick started talking bollocks...some of which was directed at me (vicarsson badwrong wilson). I responded with (funnier) bollocks. Bill Hick can't take a joke and so has continued to send the same bollocks over and over and over and over again, with hilarious consequences. But I got bored and ignored him, but he wouldn't go away. But to be fair to Bill, and myself, we've just been kind of amusing ourselves while you lot discuss the football. Y'all get the bollocks you deserve. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #206 *******************************