From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #202 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 05 : Number 202 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Television [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Lowest High! [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Lowest High! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: AW: [idealcopy] MEXICUP [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Wrongbrain Wilson loves Nazi Piggy's spunking CUNT ["Bill Hic] [idealcopy] New Southern Blasts! ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Gooombert doesn't understand the Breakfast ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] New Southern Blasts! ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Unknown Wire man in imminent free gig at RFH ["ian.s. jac] [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured brainy piglove naziwilsowrongspunk [Eardrumbuz@aol] Re: [idealcopy] New Southern Blasts! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured brainy piglove naziwilsowrongspunk [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] OT- World Cup Senses Working Overtime... ["ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lowest High! keith: > Well, I have to say I like it a lot. I would recommend it providing you like > Bowie (and you obviously do). It's very typically 'Bowie', a logical step > from '...Hours' in that it's quite 70's retro rather than say 'Earthling' > where he was presenting his version of the then current sounds. There's some > 'modern' percussive bits and production touches, but overall I feel it will > please his old fans more than some of his 90's albums (though I should point > out it doesn't resemble any particular 70's Bowie album, even if one one > track 'Slow Burn' is very reminiscent of 'Heroes'). A mate of mine though is > slightly disappointed with it - he wants Bowie to continue to move on (like > '1. Outside' or 'Earthling' rather than just sound like Bowie, which is a > fair enough point, even if it sould be argued he is now playing to his > strengths again. Thnx for reviewing Keith, Though I'm also inclined to agree with your mate on this I think Bowie just gave so fucking much in the 70's that I even forgave him his 80's output [liked China Girl, though that was on a nice Iggy-live bootleg]. 90's albums are ok, but didn't hit the nail... But even when compared with what they say about novelists only being able to write the same book over and over again - you still could credit Bowie on his diversity. Really curious about Heathen. >> Just got Low on cd myself. >> Hadn't heared it in ages and it sounds so fresh to me now. Wonderfull >> wonderfull album full of energy. > > Got it on cd myself a few yrs back and had exactly the same reaction. It > sounds both of it's time and somehow fresh - all at the same time. 'Sound & > Vision' for example, sounds better than ever. Bowie must be thinking along > similar lines too - just read a review of a recent NY gig and the first half > was 'Low' stuff, second half 'Heathen' with a few other hits ('Hallo > Spaceboy', 'Ashes to Ashes', etc) for an encore. > Anyone see Bowie doing 'Fame' on TOTP2 tonight? Looked remarkably good, even > if he did resemble Jonathan Ross with his long foppish fringe and loud green > suit. And his band were really tight - with Earl Slick on gtr! Bowie's also > on tomorrow, doing a track off 'Heathen' apparently - I seem to recall Bart > saying he can get the BBC in Holland, so you may want to tune in! I'll have a look! Does he do the Woss accent too? [you belong in wock & woll] ;-) > Anyway, all the footie talk here of late, has made me think that Bowie's > football equivalent is...wait for it...Leeds Utd. > > Major force in the 70's, though you either loved him/them or hated him/them. > > Pretty disastrous 80's - relegated to the old division two/ formed Tin > Machine. > > Unexpectedly bounced back in the 90's, and had a pretty respectable decade > even if neither quite equalled their 70's heights overall. Signed unpopular > players (Lee Bowyer/Reeves Gabrel). > > But although on the strength of 'Heathen', I think that Leeds are unlikely > to win the title next season, they can look forward to a respectable top six > finish... Sorry, I'm not too familiar with Leeds' output myself. Marco van Bastard: > I'd say Dave was more like Holland. Best in the world in the early-mid 70s; > miserable underachievement ever since, That means underachieving in LATE 70's [my personal fave Bowie period]. You don't really wanna say that, do you? > apart from a brief period of massive > commercial success (Let's Dance/European Champs) in the 80s. Hold on. Don't forget those dutch glorydays ["my team" Ajax & Barcelona] in the 90's here! But... I'm not at ALL displeased with Holland being compared with Bowie here! After all, he used to be the most complete popstar/musician on the planet untill... ehm... er.... Bart [wondering what the equivalent of the Dutch not being able to take a proper penalty is, viewing Bowie's career... and who's GUUS HIDDINK? Tony Visconti? Nah, he didn't make it semi-god in Korea] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:34:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lowest High! > > Anyone see Bowie doing 'Fame' on TOTP2 tonight? Looked remarkably good, even > > if he did resemble Jonathan Ross with his long foppish fringe and loud green > > suit. And his band were really tight - with Earl Slick on gtr! Bowie's also > > on tomorrow, doing a track off 'Heathen' apparently - I seem to recall Bart > > saying he can get the BBC in Holland, so you may want to tune in! > > I'll have a look! Does he do the Woss accent too? [you belong in wock & > woll] ;-) or webel webel ; ) > But... I'm not at ALL displeased with Holland being compared with Bowie > here! After all, he used to be the most complete popstar/musician on the > planet untill... ehm... er.... so who are wire then? i'd go for dukla prague - sound interesting and get name dropped by people who have never seen/heard them ; ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:22:53 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] MEXICUP >> Germany and Italy bore the hell >> out of me. > Not me ... ;-)) ... I know how they play and haven't watched > a single minute of them playing yet. I only read the papers, > don't like TV commentatory and 180 minutes of senseless dribble. Hehe... "senseless dribble"... that describes Germany's way of playing quite accurately indeed... glad we agree... ;-P >> Personally I would love England to meet Mexico in the final, > oops, they're out and USA is our next casualty. > Sure, we will play bad and boring again but I'd say we'll win. "Football is a game played by 22 players.... and then Germany win." [Gary Lineker] If Lineker's analogy about Germany is true I'm sure you're right! Got my hopes set on wonderkids Korea myself. Perhaps that, with semi-sumo-god Guus Hiddink, a bit of Holland still wins. :-P > Turkey won against Japan ... several thousands of them are > blocking city streets in Germany and celebrating it. > If they win the world cup this would paralyze German > inner cities for several days ... but this is VERY unlikely. Same here... [but how much longer with the new rightwing government coming]. > Most interesting match will be England - Brazil ... I'd > say Brazil will make it ... True true... but when England wins they'll probably meet Germany, wich is an even greater battle imo. Come to think of it, England - US would be great too as the majority on this list is from either counties. Hope England wins! Hope Korea wins! Hope Senegal wins! Hope US wins! Bart [Becoming selfemployed during the WC is no piece of cake I can tell you!] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:47:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] MEXICUP Bart, << Perhaps that, with semi-sumo-god Guus Hiddink, a bit of Holland still wins. :->> Never, ever imply that Koreans might have annything to do with Sumo. Or anything Japanese. You think we hate the Germans. The Koreans absolutely, utterly despise the Japanese. They will have derived as much pleasure from Japan going out as they did from beating Italy. Getting one over on Japan is as good as winning the World Cup for Korea.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:39:18 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Wrongbrain Wilson loves Nazi Piggy's spunking CUNT Say Something it will be entertaining spazthought: "Reverse Nazi Bag" (so kids RIP as earthbots live in a vicarage - it was a web-septic tank of incorrectitude). Nazi Dog Have Mercy On Jim O'Rourke. But I used to satirise you better than fairy w/finger trapped in drugboots chasing Bernard Manning to my fat Nazi vicar retro techno security home. I'm Corrected Loopy Title Pliers actually. Agree that speaking toxic brain Partridge under 9/10 listess Piss better than I Did, more shite Pop-Thoughts than the usual hopping Bag Kid CUNTing spunk in his shy expletives. Like indestructible piggy he choked at Faust Wilsons crap 'Smile w/Kippers.' A few hundred Sonic Freddie ladyparts all rip yr Piss Man fanny. Wrongbrain Wilson Loves pissed piggy claim. Mercury Carrier in love with the homophobic Partridge under choking vicar To my credit I shy away from Avant Garde pop gas title. He ejaculates the Bill Grundy too early! He was more pissed than shimmy wing multiplied from the Sticks to my maximum security vicarage. But I used to CUNT Nazi vicar in my expletive credit and it has drawn the easy line between Marc Riley and Piss Weak! Wrongbrain Wilson ejaculates Freddie May in the cock Piss Weak Nazi Wilson get yer dog collar on kidsindestructible Tim was spunking Nazi fairy w/green gas trumpet Wacky homophobic fairy w/finger deck goombay vicarage On Your Souldog Races Wrongbrain Wilson loves me to my shy credit Free Freddie jazz from posh Wacky CUNTcock schools! Agree to my credit that spunking piggy Tim minced shimmy wing like fairy w/finger trapped in toxic Wilson's brain bag. He was more pissed than a chain of honking order! Bad Pistols land verbal Nazi piggy with the carrier bag man. I shy away from Kids crap credit, piggyboyindestructible and green gas machine of doom. Kids kippers trance farty to my maximum security mercy pets of doom. A hundred sonic sticks of doom quake in maximum farty goombay chasing security. Piggy Tim witnessing Freddie Smile project lead by the stick full of shite as the easy line between CUNT and Alexandra really is deconstructibble. Wrongbrain Wilson's Nazi Make Up machine must make you pop. Jim O'Riley minced free-jazz delivered to a maximum shitebrain CUNT, as usual. satirise you better than spunking Wilson handbag satirise you better than Freddie Mercury in his reverse Vicar Bag satirise you better than Fallow Fennesz so as not to advertise septic CUNT satirise you better than 9/10 homophobic Sonic Field Nazi fans satirise you better than fat fairy w/finger trapped in public vicarage clever CUNT credit from cool expletives Wrongbrain Wilson going home in a Nazi CUNT carrier piggy Tim was spunking Nazi fairy w/green gas trumpet trapped in septic twilight vicarage We look like Bernard Manning http://www.kidsretrotechnibble.con Jon Whitney has better clicks than us! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:04:19 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] New Southern Blasts! ** Enon Head Out ** Enon, the Touch and Go's own electropunk popsters, keep on rolling. Firstly, The band featuring John Schmersal (formerly of Brainiac) and Toko Yasuda (of The Lapse and Blonde Redhead), will release their excellent "High Society" album in June. Then they will do a short tour of Europe. On top of all that, they also have a video for the song "Carbonation". Aye Carumba! This already looks set to be the Southern office's essential album of the summer. Follow the link for more info and tour dates : www.southern.net/southern/band/ENONN/ 19/06 GLASGOW GBR WEST 13th BAR 20/06 NOTTINGHAM GBR SOCIAL 21/06 LONDON GBR MONARCH 23/06 BRIGHTON GBR PRESSURE POINT with American Analog Set 26/06 GRONINGEN HOL VERA 27/06 AMSTERDAM HOL PARADISO with Sonic Youth 28/06 LONDON GBR GARAGE 29/06 LEEDS TBC These releases are being distributed by Southern in the UK & the blurbs are written by them not by me. However, The Locust were spun by Colin & Liars on Resonance FM & have recently been hiding under Melt Banana on a great split 7" on GSL. Ink track I downloaded from the Monitor records website was great, but more like Unwound to my ears. The descriptions aren't always very accurate but are quite amusing... * Ink - Reagent Specs Monitor MRU10 CD File Under: Avant Rock For Fans Of: Wire Ink write and record their music simultaneously. This may seem like a recipe for disaster, a guaranteed way of making a record worse than Tales of Topographic Oceans. Ink, however, manage to pull the metaphorical iron from the fire. The album comes across like a lost no-wave classic, reminiscent of The Fall, Wire and early P.I.L. *The Locust - The Locust GSL GSL15 CDS File Under: Terror Keyboard Core For Fans Of: Kid 606, Extreme Noise Terror Have you ever wondered what Depeche Mode would sound like if they were put through a blender while still performing? (Gotta love these already) I have and I think it would sound like this. Released for the first time through Southern, its all dis-jointed keyboards, screaming and blast beats. Not for Coldplay fans. * The Locust - Fight of the Wounded Locust. GSL GSL50 File Under: Easy Listening... sorry Psycho-core For Fans Of: Orrin Deforest, Spazz The Locust's masterpiece: noisy, psychotic, insane. The sort of thing you play to people who have no taste in music, so they stop hanging around you. It works too. I've tried it. This is the cutting edge of cool and it sounds like the musical equivalent of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Of course some will remember that JG Thirlwell DJed at Wire's last New York gig...... ** Steroid Meltdown ** Steroid Maximus is the cinematic instrumentalist guise of the inscrutable J.G. Thirlwell (aka Foetus). This is the man who forged new genres with the flick of a wrist and brought industrial music to the dancefloors of the world, as well as remixing and producing some of the biggest names in metal and industrial (Pantera and Nine Inch Nails to name but two). Ipecac will be releasing his cinematic journey into soundtrack sterotica, "Ectopia", at the end of the month. "Ectopia" melds the sounds of classic blaxploitation and sleaze soundtracks with up-to-the-minute electronica. JGT will also be performing at the David Bowie curated Meltdown festival at Royal Festival Hall in London with his Baby Zizanie project, a collaboration with Jim Coleman (ex-Cop Shoot Cop). Baby Zizanie will also be appearing with desert dudes earthlings? featuring Pete Stahl (Scream, Wool, Goatsnake) at another London venue. Check it out : www.southern.net/southern/band/STERO/ What's this? Another band ripping off the Wires??? Haven't heard them yet... * Q and not U - Only play patterns Dischord DIS132 CD File Under: Dischord Disco For Fans of: Bluetip, Wire The band that proved Dischord had the funk, in a skewed sort of way, return with a bit of a down beat song. Less funky, more garage rock, but still rocking and ultra-melodic. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:48:26 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Gooombert doesn't understand the Breakfast - ----- Original Message ----- From: kiddypig Tim To: Kidpiggy Tim ranted ignorant pigswill > and choked at Faust gig until the green gas had cleared. and tried to claim > Title. > > Meanwhile piggytim probably stayed at home bitching on internet about 'moribund Manc gig scene' when it was all happening under his nose. I didn't name the Faust song 'Apokalypse' - it was obvious that they were trying for an apocalyptic effect. That was the point, but as usual you seem to have trouble seeing beyond egotistical confines, and then just bitch on with yr foot in yr mouth. Yr poor pig may have choked, but I was smart enough to hold my breath. > > > >>>I'll fackin deck that Ken Gordon from Sonic Yoof if she gets that tru > > > >You're probably full of shite, as usual. > > Directed at the porcelain whereas most of yours is delivered to a maximum > security world wide web-septic tank of incorrectitude. > Bullshit as usual... see above See also previous comment about Philip Jeck & his 'midi hi-fis' You missed his 7-8 recent Manchester magogs didn't you? Probably at home bitching 'moribund' > >If you aren't though, it will be entertaining to see a few hundred Sonic Youth > >fans rip yr head off. Then we'll find out if the kid really is > >deconstructibble. > > I'm sure SY will do a great show. Jim O'Rourke is their 5th member, and > like Fennesz he has drawn the easy line between Brian Wilson and Avant > Garde pop. > That's a pretty simplistic shrinkage of Jim O'Rourke's many influences, which he often discusses at length in interviews... > I must make you a CD-R of tracks from Brian Wilsons 'Smile' project. Maybe > you would understand. > > I've heard a lot of it. > > I'll 'Wacky Races' You! > You haven't even worked out how to get out of the mememe starting block yet. > _ > Spampiggy Clotboy > Crock ock ock lick lick lick > Get Yer Piggy Fuck On. > http://www.kidinstructible.con ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:14:06 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Unknown Wire man in imminent free gig at RFH This just received from the Artrocker list: >>>Terry Edwards & the Scapegoats at Bowie's Meltdown<<< An extended line-up of Terry Edwards & the Scapegoats play two sets at Bowie's Meltdown which will include some endearingly skewed versions of the Curators back-catalogue. Date - Friday, June 21st Times - 6.30 & 10.30 Place - The Ballroom, Royal Festival Hall, London SE1 Tickets - FREE FREE FREE Honorary Scapegoats for the evening include members of Madness, Wire & Jimi Tenor's band. Not to be repeated - not to be missed. - ------- Can't go myself unfortunately - a bunch of schoolkids will also be reprising the Langley School Music Project in the foyer that night. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:22:15 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 >drill drill drill? er...see Part 2 #14...!!! ;-) ian.s.j. >In a message dated 6/18/02 6:00:12 PM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > > >Lydia... > >*Making a 'part 2' soon...any suggestions??* > > > >Welcome Lydia, > >well, right off the top my head... > >presuming you may not have got hold of Read & Burn yet... > > > >1. A Serious Of Snakes > >2. The Offer > >3. Men 2nd > >4. The Queen Of Ur and The King Of Um > >5. So And Slow It Grows > >6. Eardrum Buzz > >7. Our Swimmer > >8. Sand In My Joints > >9. Stepping Off Too Quick > >10. Tailor Made > >11. 40 Versions > >12. Ambulance Chasers > >13. Advantage In Height > >14. In Every City ? > >15. Used To > >16. Eels Sang Lino > >17. A Mutual Friend > >18. Torch It > >19. Feeling Called Love > >20. Kidney Bingos > >21. Looking At Me (Stop!) > >22. Too Late > > > >maybe this helps... > >i dunno, i'd have to hear them all together i suppose...!!! ;-) > > > >cheers, ian.s.j. > > > >Part One was... > > > >>1) the point of collapse > >>2) the 15th > >>3) reuters > >>4) pink flag > >>5) over theirs > >>6) outdoor miner > >>7) on returning > >>8) mercy > >>9) map ref. > >>10) mannequin > >>11) madman's honey > >>12) lowdown > >>13) in vivo > >>14) french film blurred > >>15) follow the locust > >>16) ex-lion tamer > >>17) come back in two halves > >>18) cheeking tongues > >>19) blessed state > >>20) ambitious > >>21) ahead > >>22) a question of degree > >> > >>-Lydia _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:37:26 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lowest High! >so who are wire then? i'd go for dukla prague - sound interesting and get >name dropped by people who have never seen/heard them ; ) > >keith ...or maybe Honved or Stromsgodset...? ;-) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:51:55 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Southern Blasts! Wild Bull Hickup... >The Locust's masterpiece: noisy, psychotic, insane. The sort of thing you >play to people who have no taste in music, so they stop hanging around you. >It works too. I've tried it. ahahaha...i always found that The Birthday Party worked a treat in this respect, a reasonable gauge of tolerance at the time...quote from (vague) memory...'if you don't like it, get out of my fucking flat and take your new fucking Squeeze LP with you...' ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:47:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] MEXICUP > Never, ever imply that Koreans might have annything to do with Sumo. Or > anything Japanese. You think we hate the Germans. The Koreans absolutely, > utterly despise the Japanese. They will have derived as much pleasure from > Japan going out as they did from beating Italy. Getting one over on Japan is > as good as winning the World Cup for Korea.... > > Mark read on the teletext earlier that the s.korean player who scored the winner against italy has been 'sacked' from his club (though i heard they weren't re-newing his contract anyway), because of what he did to italian football! i thought maybe the italian players were just as much to blame for them losing. the club president said he's never to step foot in the country again. on the grounds that he scored a goal??? madness! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:58:03 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 In a message dated 6/19/02 4:22:32 PM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: >>drill drill drill? > >er...see Part 2 #14...!!! ;-) > >ian.s.j. > >> >14. In Every City ? oops, my bad. i do prefer the original to the versions on the drill cd. dunno if it's because that was my grand reintroduction to the greatness of wire* or what, but the snakedrill 12" is just so perfect. *i have mentioned in another thread at some point i'm sure, but basically i had bought chairs missing around 1982 i guess, and even though i liked it, i didn't really get hit in the face by wire until snakedrill. so i got into 154, pink flag, and ideal copy all around the same time. don't know how interesting a tidbit that is, but it's interesting to me as i think about it right now :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:58:22 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Unknown Wire man in imminent free gig at RFH >Date - Friday, June 21st >Times - 6.30 & 10.30 >Place - The Ballroom, Royal Festival Hall, London SE1 >Tickets - FREE FREE FREE > >Honorary Scapegoats for the evening include members of Madness, Wire & Jimi >Tenor's band. > >Not to be repeated - not to be missed. shite, another one i'm gonna miss...mind you, i could pull a sickie... TE & The Scapegoats (kind of) version of '(Now I Wanna) Be Your Dog' entitled 'Dog Food', still sounds really really great, if you can make it advise youz to get yer arses down there... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:12:12 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured brainy piglove naziwilsowrongspunk In a message dated 6/19/02 1:57:04 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > >Free Freddie jazz from posh Wacky CUNTcock schools! i listened to just about every pixies song last night... (soon ari, soon)...and i discovered why doolittle is rated so highly over the others (by most people i've encountered who are able to pick faves). i've always been part of the group whose motto is "all pixies is good pixies" but trying to cut tracks from the albums to make a greatest hits, i had the hardest time with that album. surfa rosa was pretty tough to edit too. and i didn't include the song umass. was that a mistake? do you have another opinion? - -paul (la la love you don't mean maybe) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:13:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Southern Blasts! In a message dated 6/19/02 4:01:12 PM Central Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: << The Locust's masterpiece: noisy, psychotic, insane. The sort of thing you >play to people who have no taste in music, so they stop hanging around you. >It works too. I've tried it. ahahaha...i always found that The Birthday Party worked a treat in this respect, a reasonable gauge of tolerance at the time...quote from (vague) memory...'if you don't like it, get out of my fucking flat and take your new fucking Squeeze LP with you...' ian.s.j. >> when it was past closing time, i used to play NON/Boyd Rice records at a painful volume to clear people out of the record store i worked at...worked EVERY time... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:13:55 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 > >>drill drill drill? > > > >er...see Part 2 #14...!!! ;-) > > > >ian.s.j. > > > >> >14. In Every City ? > >oops, my bad. i do prefer the original to the versions on the drill cd. >dunno if it's because that was my grand reintroduction to the greatness of >wire* or what, but the snakedrill 12" is just so perfect. tis indeed, just didnt wanna go for the obvious...Snakedrill WAS a complete smack in the gob at the time, having given up hope of Wire doing anything again...and it still does it for me now...sublime... >*i have mentioned in another thread at some point i'm sure, but basically i >had bought chairs missing around 1982 i guess, and even though i liked it, >i didn't really get hit in the face by wire until snakedrill. so i got into >154, pink flag, and ideal copy all around the same time. don't know how >interesting a tidbit that is, but it's interesting to me as i think about >it right now well, i find it interesting at least...! having been with them pretty much since the time of Pink Flag (Chairs/154 *really* clinched it for me though...), getting into those 3 LP's at the same time must have been an experience in itself...!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:22:02 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] semi-sumotic >> Perhaps that, with semi-sumo-god Guus Hiddink, a bit of Holland still >> wins. :-) > > Never, ever imply that Koreans might have annything to do with Sumo. Or > anything Japanese. You think we hate the Germans. The Koreans absolutely, > utterly despise the Japanese. They will have derived as much pleasure from > Japan going out as they did from beating Italy. Getting one over on Japan is > as good as winning the World Cup for Korea.... > Mark True enough... but I just couldn't resist the good sound of it. ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:22:20 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured brainy piglove naziwilsowrongspunk >i listened to just about every pixies song last night... (soon ari, >soon)...and i discovered why doolittle is rated so highly over the others (by >most people i've encountered who are able to pick faves). And, to make it tougher.... http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/02-04/30.shtml "SpinART is poised to release a truly exciting document from another beloved cult act of the 80s. Unreleased tracks from the Pixies' "Purple Tape," a 1987 demo recorded with Gary Smith at venerable Fort Apache, are finally seeing official release via the New York-based indie on July 9th." Yee haw!!! This is finally coming out!!!! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:22:48 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured brainy piglove naziwilsowrongspunk paul c.d. >surfa rosa was pretty tough to edit too. 'Surfer Rosa' is simply one of the best, most complete LP's ever recorded IMO, no wonder it was tough... and therefore count me in the minority over 'Doolittle', which i love, but verged on 'pop' at times, not a *bad* thing as such... >and i didn't include the song umass. was that a mistake? do you have >another opinion? hhhmmm...not one of my all time faves, so... just hope 'Bird Dream Of The Olympus Mons' was on there... :-) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:32:07 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lowest High! >> I'll have a look! Does he do the Woss accent too? [you belong in wock & >> woll] ;-) > > or webel webel ; ) chuckle... >> But... I'm not at ALL displeased with Holland being compared with Bowie >> here! After all, he used to be the most complete popstar/musician on the >> planet untill... ehm... er.... > > so who are wire then? i'd go for dukla prague - sound interesting and get > name dropped by people who have never seen/heard them ; ) Wire just the incomplete anti-popstars that they are. So... you've never heard/seen ol' Dukla Prague then 'ave ya? Bart [Dukla... WHO?] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:33:24 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT- World Cup Senses Working Overtime... >i thought maybe the italian players were just as much to blame for them >losing. the club president said he's never to step foot in the country >again. on the grounds that he scored a goal??? madness! maybe...but not as mad as...(and i quote from a national newspaper...) '...on Monday, a S.Korean fan, dressed in the all-red colours of the national team, doused himself in petrol and set himself alight. In a note to his relatives, the young man said he had chosen self-immolation so he could become 'a phantom 12th man' for the S.Korean team...' can anyone else confirm this report, as its from a tabloid...? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:40:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT- World Cup Senses Working Overtime... > maybe...but not as mad as...(and i quote from a national newspaper...) > > '...on Monday, a S.Korean fan, dressed in the all-red colours of the > national team, doused himself in petrol and set himself alight. In a note to > his relatives, the young man said he had chosen self-immolation so he could > become 'a phantom 12th man' for the S.Korean team...' > > can anyone else confirm this report, as its from a tabloid...? > > ian.s.j. I've read it too so it must be true! Or maybe it was just another doll on the barbie... Bart [feeling quite sumotic after pizza] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:55:43 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures >and as long as i'm writing, what was the name of the head guy at cherry >red? >and in case the name doesn't ring a bell, what did he do post-cherry red? >there was lots of great stuff on that label, and most of what i have is on >several compilations. > >-paul (still waiting to r&b) c.d. wasn't it Mike Alway...? i recently heard Felt's 'Primitive Painters' for the first time in years and couldnt get it out of my head for days... ian.s.j. (NP...Go Back Snowball - 'Calling Zero') _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:14:28 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured brainy piglove naziwilsowrongspunk On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 05:12:12PM -0400, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/19/02 1:57:04 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > > > >Free Freddie jazz from posh Wacky CUNTcock schools! > > i listened to just about every pixies song last night... (soon ari, > soon)...and i discovered why doolittle is rated so highly over the others (by > most people i've encountered who are able to pick faves). i've always been > part of the group whose motto is "all pixies is good pixies" but trying to > cut tracks from the albums to make a greatest hits, i had the hardest time > with that album. surfa rosa was pretty tough to edit too. All Pixies *is* good Pixies. Some is just even *better* Pixies. :) > and i didn't include the song umass. was that a mistake? do you have another > opinion? U-Mass: probably. I guess the canonical answer here is "Death to the Pixies", which is *very* good as an introduction... but I would cut some of the tracks from Bossanova, personally, which is (imo) their weakest record, in favour of things like "Break My Body" and "Something Against You" from Surfer Rosa, and *of course* "Levitate Me" from Come on Pilgrim, which might just be the thing of theirs I most like. Hm. The other questions are, single or album versions of River Euphrates and Gigantic. (I lean towards the re-recordings in both cases, but definitely for River Euphrates: no contest whatsoever.) Pixies at the BBC is patchy and short, but worth getting if you see it cheap: "Complete B-Sides" *is* worth the money, no doubt about that at all. We need more bands like the Pixies, as opposed to more bands trying to *be* the Pixies (come on out, Seafood, with your hands up: we have you surrounded.) Listening to the Sonic Mook compilation, there are a couple of bands about who I'm hopeful: bizarrely enough, McLusky seem to have the same (ie, the *right*) attitude, and I like. I will need to investigate more. Other good stuff on this CD: the Liars, the Fat Truckers song (which sounds much better than when I saw them live), and strangely enough Clinic. It's worth listening to, though the brat-electro of Joan of Ass et al doesn't really work for me. (The Electrelane track isn't bad in a "did we *need* another Human League right now?" kind of way, but it doesn't excite me.) The melding of art-rock with shoebox drums with *big* alt-rock chorus of Chicano with "Rose Giganta" (very Pixies title there!) is interesting, as well. I'm not *totally* sold, but it's certainly bearing more than one listen.) Also, the Martini Henry Rifles win "title of the CD" with "God Make Me Destroy those Infidels" - it's hyper thrash-punk, and pretty alright, but the title's probably as good as the song sadly. :) One thing it *does* do is put the Hives track "Hate to Say I Told You So" (which is a pop single I really like), plus bands like Ikara Colt/Parkinsons/Yeah Yeah Yeahs/80's Matchbox B-Line Disaster in some kind of context. To me, it sounds like we have bands rehashing the past (Toes, Parkinsons, Hives), doing it fast, melodic, sloppy, and probably quite exciting live - but long term, I doubt anyone will remember it, except for one or two gloriously melodic singles. Then you have bands like the Liars, McLusky, even Clinic, who are *informed* by, but not in thrall to, the past. I'm getting more optimistic about the music of tomorrow listening to this... Andrew - -- ".... come and find me, I'll be waiting - with a gun and a pack of sandwiches..." - Radiohead, "Talk Show Host" ('Street Spirit', B-side) adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:27:14 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lowest High! > >> But... I'm not at ALL displeased with Holland being compared with Bowie > >> here! After all, he used to be the most complete popstar/musician on the > >> planet untill... ehm... er.... > > > > so who are wire then? i'd go for dukla prague - sound interesting and get > > name dropped by people who have never seen/heard them ; ) > > Wire just the incomplete anti-popstars that they are. > So... you've never heard/seen ol' Dukla Prague then 'ave ya? > > Bart [Dukla... WHO?] could have picked a dutch team with a name i love - AZ 67 ! are they still going? keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:38:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-pixies reference obscured brainy piglove naziwilsowrongspunk > paul c.d. > >surfa rosa was pretty tough to edit too. > > ian.s.j. > 'Surfer Rosa' is simply one of the best, most complete LP's ever recorded > IMO, no wonder it was tough... > and therefore count me in the minority over 'Doolittle', which i love, but > verged on 'pop' at times, not a *bad* thing as such... totally agree. thought 'surfa rosa' was one of the greatest albums i'd ever heard. always thought 'doolittle' - as much as i liked it - was it's over-produced little brother. prefer the immediacy of the peel sessions myself. 'in heaven...!' keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:42:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 >oops, my bad. i do prefer the original to the versions on the drill cd. > >dunno if it's because that was my grand reintroduction to the greatness of > >wire* or what, but the snakedrill 12" is just so perfect. > > tis indeed, just didnt wanna go for the obvious...Snakedrill WAS a complete > smack in the gob at the time, having given up hope of Wire doing anything > again...and it still does it for me now...sublime... bloody hell ian. i'm in total agreement again. the north west vote unites! 'snakedrill' exceeded all reasonable expectations for a band that had reformed - whatever they may say about never having split up... keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:01:58 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures In a message dated 6/19/02 5:55:58 PM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: >>and as long as i'm writing, what was the name of the head guy at cherry > >>red? >>and in case the name doesn't ring a bell, what did he do post-cherry red? >>there was lots of great stuff on that label, and most of what i have is >on >>several compilations. >> >>-paul (still waiting to r&b) c.d. > >wasn't it Mike Alway...? i recently heard Felt's 'Primitive Painters' for > >the first time in years and couldnt get it out of my head for days... great 12" that primitive painters is...i think alway was the guy who signed some of cherry red's top acts and then ran off with them to warner bros/blanco y negro surely mark can help sort this out...mark? :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #202 *******************************