From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #201 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 05 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- AW: [idealcopy] MEXICUP [Woerner Frank ] RE: [idealcopy] Hoary old Manscape chestnut ["Eric Klaver" ] AW: [idealcopy] Apokalypso Cup: The World collapsed into mediocri ty [Woe] Re: [idealcopy] MEXICUP ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] The Flight Dust Cussed At ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Licking the Funny Soiled Mince Dreams ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] I wouldn't like to spend an hour ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Highest LOW! ["Keith Astbury" Subject: AW: [idealcopy] MEXICUP > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Juni 2002 13:25 > An: wire-news > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] MEXICUP > > > > actually...the USA plays Mexico next...and i will guarantee we will > > lose...the Mexican team is just plain better than we > are...we backed into the > > cup because of Portugal's collapse into mediocrity... > > RL > > > I'm afraid you right here... > > Wouldn't be surprised at all if Mexico would make it to the final. > Would hate if the Brazilians would, because they seem to have > given up their > attractive style of playing. Germany and Italy bore the hell > out of me. Not me ... ;-)) ... I know how they play and haven't watched a single minute of them playing yet. I only read the papers, don't like TV commentatory and 180 minutes of senseless dribble. > Personally I would love England to meet Mexico in the final, oops, they're out and USA is our next casualty. Sure, we will play bad and boring again but I'd say we'll win. Turkey won against Japan ... several thousands of them are blocking city streets in Germany and celebrating it. If they win the world cup this would paralyze German inner cities for several days ... but this is VERY unlikely. Most interesting match will be England - Brazil ... I'd say Brazil will make it ... and then Germany - Italy will make the final partner for Brazil. regards, FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:08:15 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Hoary old Manscape chestnut it contains one of the best ever Newman vocals (Craftsman's Touch), and some of the strangest and most intriguing Wire tracks ever (What Do You See? Children of Groceries). I was totally bowled over when it came out, and found it pretty much just as rewarding on a very recent re-visit. /////////////////////////// Thanks Ian. Given these opinions I will listen to it again with these comments in mind. I think I was expecting another ABIAC. I do like certain tracks on manscape (Torch it, Morning Bell) but to me it seems they wanted to leave the ideas on ABIAC behind in search of something that they didn't find until The First Letter. There is something very incomplete and directionless about it. In Latin (here I go again) to err is to wander, but in a positive way, in the sense of "inventio" or discovery. Perhaps that is life in the manscape. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:13:26 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I'm going home in a Priest Driven Ambience? >It's a chain of honking order! >Ooh-basic Ahh-moose CUNT stubble, //////////////////////////////////////////// The Chinese market for Moose CUNT stubble has created a real problem in Canada with poaching. I think it's high time we left the moose alone. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:13:25 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] FW: Wire in Toronto I am not getting my hopes up, but.... - -----Original Message----- From: D.T. Viecelli [mailto:boche@billions.com] Sent: June 17, 2002 1:57 PM To: Eric Klaver Subject: Re: Wire in Toronto At 01:58 PM 6/17/02 -0400, you wrote: >I assume you are the promoter or management for Wire in America. > >What is the possibility of a Toronto date? > >What size of venue are you looking for? We are considering a date at Lee's Palace on September 15 but nothing has been decided. Best Regards, David T. Viecelli (Boche Billions) President THE BILLIONS CORPORATION 833 W. Chicago Ave., ste. 101 Chicago, IL 60622-5497 tel: 312-997-9999 fax: 312-997-2287 web: www.billions.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:07:52 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Apokalypso Cup: The World collapsed into mediocri ty > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Bill Hick [mailto:umur_ot@hotmail.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2002 01:17 > An: idealcopy@smoe.org > Betreff: [idealcopy] Apokalypso Cup: The World collapsed into > mediocrity > > > Germany and Italy bore the hell beautiful, and capped a run > of great Flesh! > > Neo my moulah satan in Los Angeles from Faust Tapes (never > thought pointless > and essential style of playing). Comet spoons confusion in ... Is it just my weak abiltity of understanding a foreign languague or why don't I see any meaning in this writing? regards, FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:46:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MEXICUP > FrankfromBavaria > Most interesting match will be England - Brazil ... I'd > say Brazil will make it ... and then Germany - Italy will > make the final partner for Brazil. no they won't! (and i'm just as shocked as you) keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:51:59 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] The Flight Dust Cussed At My drockets are punk! Wallow unfocused!! Milk an Oi!!! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:52:24 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Licking the Funny Soiled Mince Dreams Warning! Warning! A babbling rabbi A rabbling gagger There's a need to bee scene Dry Mag Canard You Birthday Teddy Secured You a Concrete Rave Beneath a Divergent Fault Clear a path Jimmy! I want 12 Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:47:27 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Virgin Foot Stinker Opens Pandora's Dirt Balls I wouldn't trust that adele or jade as far as i could throw Sweden with the heavy Blue contingent. Keith Astbury, as virgin football stinkers deputy organist, was needed ten months ago to open pandora's dirt box. Scottish tournament as a whole for me was heard to mutter:- "Cup is a metaphor for how ass backwards replacement for Morgan is. While he was completing his Partridge Farm he had an excess of Agfers with the ball when he's in the other half. Fuckin' 'ell....this has to be the greatest Handbag vicar rom with a bad brain." Bad Brain sent off. Fisher Graveson's Beatles disc 'Hey the ties of creative cashew nuts where mills will need to look marzipan lubrication in the sandpits' made me realise that the standard maybe are football stinkers. I suspect the hot & humid conditions caught sugababes freakin' the average evertonian but they allowed people far too much Moral Dial. Is Mars Feeding yr Top Cupola? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:09:09 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Faust Can Spielen Frei Danke Readmix NP Can - Live Colchester Finale another the Keith>>>WHAT is this??? Track 1 CD2 Can Box Item 1:Music (Live 1971-77) 1999 SpoonCD41 >>>What period Can Damo Suzuki on vocals, similar in parts to the Annie / Kebab Peel session. >>>and the quality of the recording? Good, worthwhile, but lower fidelity than their studio recordings. The fruity whingers who carp about the quality of Document & Eyewitness might however refer to it as 'bootleg superior'? >>>How's the recent Ravvivando remix album? (Think you showed it as a NP). It is doing nicely at www.freispiel.com All should download the Residents circusville 'T-Electronique' remix and give it a listen - hard to imagine anyone disliking that one! Soft Cellers shouldn't miss the Gel mix. Howie B mix reminds me of Immersion as I have howled to the void about 6 times before... I also reviewed it lengthily a few months back at www.brainwashed.com/brain Gil was >>>a bit disappointed from first impressions, Perhaps it didn't help that they started the Cd with the weakest track? Even that one is quite pleasant though. >>>I have to change my views and say that it's great - it has most of what you'd expect from a Faust release. It seems to me that Jochen Irmler of Faust took a lot of trouble over the sequencing, and it flows brilliantly. There really isn't a duff track on it, and that is a rare thing with remix albums. Maybe Wire will get round to an outside remix trick after Read & Burn? It would seem a silly to not attempt such a ploy considering the editing / recording / composition on hard drive and the endless possibilities. Wire are so regarded I bet they could get a lot of remixers to work cheap or free...? Mixes could mulch motorik from silo, pan sonic, main, techno animal, cylob, malka spigel, symptoms, pita, bumpy, omala, foetus...? A pan sonic remix of 'I Don't Understand' might be interesting. Then again that one could be tailor made for techno animal? Colin: "It's a version. Nothing's ever finished." Graham: "Nothing's Ever Finished." It's All in the Art of Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Neubauten play loud in the house of lies! - --drills that bullet-- *GOD HAS SHOT HIMSELF (now a top floor can be renovated) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:50:29 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Big Knee Kid Knows They can mix up their metaphors all they like but it's bleedin' obvious Kidney Bingos is all about that ol' r'n'r staple shaggin'/movin' it/groovin' it/doin' it/ya no? In 2 halves waiting to be sold Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:54:56 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] I wouldn't like to spend an hour Three dogs beginning to piss back inside him Now there's a theme for World Cup Apokalypso Wir...? don't start Meov It's beginning to ham mac a gin Pigeons move busily thru Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Candid Friction Spreads Marmite on Goalposts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:23 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Recent Sonic Youth >Seriously, though it wasn't me - honest guv. I must have been the (an)other >(the) Keith. Sorry. But as I really was curious as to what you thought of D & E, it didn't turn out badly. ;) BTW, I only bothered to write that I wasn't angry because often people believe I am when I'm not ... or something like that. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:55:18 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Virgin Foot Stinker Opens Pandora's Dirt Balls >I suspect the hot & humid conditions caught sugababes freakin' the >average >evertonian but they allowed people far too much Moral Dial. hahahaha...throw another puppy on the barbie mate...i am in no mood for stubborn Italio style defensiveness... ND - Aussie Chardonnay Pinot Noir...too yellow, too gassy, tastes like piss according to my 12 yr old son, getting a whack off it though... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:06:01 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] MEXICUP >and then Germany - Italy will make the final partner for Brazil. ...doh...Frank, if there's anything to learn from this one so far... 1. don't make forecasts, enjoy... :) 2. (Anglo's only) 2nd verse of the National Anthem...caught out 4 times already...dear oh dear, funnier and funnier each time though... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:18:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Highest LOW! > > keith > > np bowie - heathen > > bart > So how is the album keith? > I was curious to know if collaborating with Visconti would make for > something interesting again. Sorry about the delay here, Bart. I wanted to give it a few listens first. Well, I have to say I like it a lot. I would recommend it providing you like Bowie (and you obviously do). It's very typically 'Bowie', a logical step from '...Hours' in that it's quite 70's retro rather than say 'Earthling' where he was presenting his version of the then current sounds. There's some 'modern' percussive bits and production touches, but overall I feel it will please his old fans more than some of his 90's albums (though I should point out it doesn't resemble any particular 70's Bowie album, even if one one track 'Slow Burn' is very reminiscent of 'Heroes'). A mate of mine though is slightly disappointed with it - he wants Bowie to continue to move on (like '1. Outside' or 'Earthling' rather than just sound like Bowie, which is a fair enough point, even if it sould be argued he is now playing to his strengths again. > Just got Low on cd myself. > Hadn't heared it in ages and it sounds so fresh to me now. Wonderfull > wonderfull album full of energy. Got it on cd myself a few yrs back and had exactly the same reaction. It sounds both of it's time and somehow fresh - all at the same time. 'Sound & Vision' for example, sounds better than ever. Bowie must be thinking along similar lines too - just read a review of a recent NY gig and the first half was 'Low' stuff, second half 'Heathen' with a few other hits ('Hallo Spaceboy', 'Ashes to Ashes', etc) for an encore. Anyone see Bowie doing 'Fame' on TOTP2 tonight? Looked remarkably good, even if he did resemble Jonathan Ross with his long foppish fringe and loud green suit. And his band were really tight - with Earl Slick on gtr! Bowie's also on tomorrow, doing a track off 'Heathen' apparently - I seem to recall Bart saying he can get the BBC in Holland, so you may want to tune in! Anyway, all the footie talk here of late, has made me think that Bowie's football equivalent is...wait for it...Leeds Utd. Major force in the 70's, though you either loved him/them or hated him/them. Pretty disastrous 80's - relegated to the old division two/ formed Tin Machine. Unexpectedly bounced back in the 90's, and had a pretty respectable decade even if neither quite equalled their 70's heights overall. Signed unpopular players (Lee Bowyer/Reeves Gabrel). But although on the strength of 'Heathen', I think that Leeds are unlikely to win the title next season, they can look forward to a respectable top six finish... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:39:42 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 Lydia... *Making a 'part 2' soon...any suggestions??* Welcome Lydia, well, right off the top my head... presuming you may not have got hold of Read & Burn yet... 1. A Serious Of Snakes 2. The Offer 3. Men 2nd 4. The Queen Of Ur and The King Of Um 5. So And Slow It Grows 6. Eardrum Buzz 7. Our Swimmer 8. Sand In My Joints 9. Stepping Off Too Quick 10. Tailor Made 11. 40 Versions 12. Ambulance Chasers 13. Advantage In Height 14. In Every City ? 15. Used To 16. Eels Sang Lino 17. A Mutual Friend 18. Torch It 19. Feeling Called Love 20. Kidney Bingos 21. Looking At Me (Stop!) 22. Too Late maybe this helps... i dunno, i'd have to hear them all together i suppose...!!! ;-) cheers, ian.s.j. Part One was... >1) the point of collapse >2) the 15th >3) reuters >4) pink flag >5) over theirs >6) outdoor miner >7) on returning >8) mercy >9) map ref. >10) mannequin >11) madman's honey >12) lowdown >13) in vivo >14) french film blurred >15) follow the locust >16) ex-lion tamer >17) come back in two halves >18) cheeking tongues >19) blessed state >20) ambitious >21) ahead >22) a question of degree > >-Lydia _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:36:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Highest LOW! << Anyway, all the footie talk here of late, has made me think that Bowie's football equivalent is...wait for it...Leeds Utd. Major force in the 70's, though you either loved him/them or hated him/them. Pretty disastrous 80's - relegated to the old division two/ formed Tin Machine. Unexpectedly bounced back in the 90's, and had a pretty respectable decade even if neither quite equalled their 70's heights overall. Signed unpopular players (Lee Bowyer/Reeves Gabrel).<< Steady on! Where's Bowie's recent equivalent of a European Cup Semi-Final, eh? And our want-away ferret-faced friend may be unpopular, but he can play very well. Which is more than can be said for Reeves Gabrels. I'd say Dave was more like Holland. Best in the world in the early-mid 70s; miserable underachievement ever since, apart from a brief period of massive commercial success (Let's Dance/European Champs) in the 80s. Marko van Bastard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:24:25 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Big Knee Kid Knows In a message dated 6/18/02 2:32:36 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >They can mix up their metaphors all they like but it's bleedin' obvious >Kidney >Bingos is all about that ol' r'n'r staple shaggin'/movin' it/groovin' it/doin' >it/ya no? ya mean organ fun?! and here i am thinking that wire discovered something delightful in performing surgery. go figure...sex hmm.... - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:30:01 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] W songs to run to...Part 2 drill drill drill? In a message dated 6/18/02 6:00:12 PM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: >Lydia... >*Making a 'part 2' soon...any suggestions??* > >Welcome Lydia, >well, right off the top my head... >presuming you may not have got hold of Read & Burn yet... > >1. A Serious Of Snakes >2. The Offer >3. Men 2nd >4. The Queen Of Ur and The King Of Um >5. So And Slow It Grows >6. Eardrum Buzz >7. Our Swimmer >8. Sand In My Joints >9. Stepping Off Too Quick >10. Tailor Made >11. 40 Versions >12. Ambulance Chasers >13. Advantage In Height >14. In Every City ? >15. Used To >16. Eels Sang Lino >17. A Mutual Friend >18. Torch It >19. Feeling Called Love >20. Kidney Bingos >21. Looking At Me (Stop!) >22. Too Late > >maybe this helps... >i dunno, i'd have to hear them all together i suppose...!!! ;-) > >cheers, ian.s.j. > >Part One was... > >>1) the point of collapse >>2) the 15th >>3) reuters >>4) pink flag >>5) over theirs >>6) outdoor miner >>7) on returning >>8) mercy >>9) map ref. >>10) mannequin >>11) madman's honey >>12) lowdown >>13) in vivo >>14) french film blurred >>15) follow the locust >>16) ex-lion tamer >>17) come back in two halves >>18) cheeking tongues >>19) blessed state >>20) ambitious >>21) ahead >>22) a question of degree >> >>-Lydia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:15:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Highest LOW! > Unexpectedly bounced back in the 90's, and had a pretty respectable decade > even if neither quite equalled their 70's heights overall. Signed unpopular > players (Lee Bowyer/Reeves Gabrel).<< the delectably named marco van bastard said >Steady on! > > Where's Bowie's recent equivalent of a European Cup Semi-Final, eh? album version of 'hallo spaceboy'? > And our want-away ferret-faced friend may be unpopular, but he can play very > well. Which is more than can be said for Reeves Gabrels. he can play, it's just that his style is not to everyone's liking. which brings us back to... ; ) > I'd say Dave was more like Holland. Best in the world in the early-mid 70s; > miserable underachievement ever since, apart from a brief period of massive > commercial success (Let's Dance/European Champs) in the 80s. yeah, but - and sorry to mention this bart - they didn't qualify for the world cup. and on early listens, i'm gonna stick my neck out and say that 'heathen' is a possible quarter finalist ; ) keith (chuckling at the thought of a 'mike garson-bites-yer-legs' in the back four) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:25:51 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] free mixing tool Haven't had a chance to play with it yet but this looks cool! this site has won a web award - if you ever had the time it might be quite fun to play with. apparently if you can work it out it lets you mix your own ambient, electronic music "using more than 100 preset beats and sounds". http://www.looplabs.com/ later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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