From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #200 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 05 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Starfield Rd [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] etoile de dakar [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Recent Sonic Youth ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Hoary old Manscape chestnut ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] I'm going home in a Priest Driven Ambience? [Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Starfield Rd > Since Dirty, you could cobble up a fine comp w/ > Starfield Rd Starfield Road must be one of my fave Jesus & Mary Chain songs! ;-) Talking J&MC... Black Rebel Motorcycle Club are playing the Vera-club here in Groningen tonight... might pop in and take a look... Bart NP: J&MC - Teenage Lust ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:58:40 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] etoile de dakar Someone recently said they were looking for something by etoile de dakar I've just seen in the library 'etoile de dakar vol. 4 feat. youssou n'dour' so if whoever it were is interested in a cd-r of this, contact me offlist cheers A recent loans... pavement - terror twilight - brighten the corners the fall - 27 points autechre - tri repetae ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Cheers John >From: Alistair Tear >To: "WIRE (E-mail)" >Subject: [idealcopy] etoile de dakar >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:58:40 +0100 > >Someone recently said they were >looking for something by etoile de dakar > >I've just seen in the library 'etoile de dakar vol. 4 >feat. youssou n'dour' > >so if whoever it were is interested >in a cd-r of this, contact me offlist > >cheers >A > > >recent loans... > >pavement - terror twilight > - brighten the corners >the fall - 27 points >autechre - tri repetae >************************************************************************* >The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any >warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of >this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended >recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that >any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is >strictly prohibited. > >If you have received this e-mail in error please notify >postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. > >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the >presence of computer viruses. >************************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:17:52 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Recent Sonic Youth >keith got dirty >>>>'Dirty' is one of the best albums of the 90s for my >>>>money, absolutely >beautiful, and capped a run of great albums from EVOL on. > Nothing they've >done since comes close IMHO Well, again Keith, not surprising. Do you like anything that breaks out of the standard song structure? I'm not writing this in anger (what do I care, really?), but I am curious. Do you like Wire's D & E, for example? Former Airline? Bill responds: >WHat??? >Don't ya mean from Confusion is Sex on??? >Always thought Goo a bit patchy but the highs (Mote, >Mildred Pierce, Tunic, >Cinderella, Disappearer) were pretty high. I like every album Sonic Youth has done, but Goo, Dirty, and Jet Set are my bottom 3. >All SY big label spew is patchy since Dirty (& Creme >Brulee to me is the start >of a run of irritating nursery rhyme Kimsongs which I can >happily live >without). The SYR stuff is mostly in region of 'top >notch' though, as is most >Lee & Thurston out of band experients. I tend to agree, although I think Washing Machine and 1000 Leaves are particularly excellent. >>>>(although I haven't heard the new one). > >Well, I have heard Murray Street, but won't buy until I >spot it 2nd hand - D >Geffen gets none o' my moulah! This hasn't been released in the US yet (June 25). There was a time I would have bought an import, but I'm just not in that big of a hurry any more. >Possibly their best since Daydream Nation? > >Someone says that about every later SY album... I think this shows the dedication of their now fairly small but loyal-as-can-be fan-base. They always get very excited and probaly do believe this at the time they say it. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:58:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: roy keane old news i know, but here they are anyway What is the difference between Roy Keane and Foot & Mouth disease? F&M made it to Japan!!! How many Roy Keanes does it take to change a light bulb? One - he holds the bulb and the world revolves around him What's the difference between Roy Keane and God? God doesn't think he is Roy Keane. A little boy says to his mother: 'Mammy, Mammy, when I grow up I want to be like Roy Keane' She replies, 'You can't do both, son'. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:40:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Recent Sonic Youth > >keith got dirty > >>>>'Dirty' is one of the best albums of the 90s for my > >>>>money, absolutely > >beautiful, and capped a run of great albums from EVOL on. > > Nothing they've > >done since comes close IMHO > > Well, again Keith, not surprising. Do you like anything > that breaks out of the standard song structure? If it hasn't got a good beat and you can't whistle it whilst standing up a rickety ladder with a damp cloth in your hand, I don't like it ; ) Seriously, though it wasn't me - honest guv. I must have been the (an)other (the) Keith. FWIW - and sorry to go against other peoples expectations - I love Sonic Youth! I don't personally think the last few albums have been *consistently* great, but there's always something worth listening to. And Sonic Youth have never been about consistency in my eyes. They enjoy winding people up too much for that! > I'm not writing this in anger I should hope not! > (what do I care, really?) well i was beginning to wonder ; ) > but I am curious. Do you like Wire's D & E, for example? Yes, but it's not my favourite. > Former Airline? it's a Wire track I'm not particularly familiar with, unless you count the 'Behind the Curtain' version. > Do you like anything > that breaks out of the standard song structure To answer your question properly this time. I LOVE pop music - from all periods - but I don't spend all day listening to Manfred Mann and Kylie you know. Some of my fave acts of the 90's were Loop Guru and Transglobal Underground - I'm not sure they'd be popular with that many IC-ers, but they don't really operate within what I would call a standard song structure, though your interpretation might differ. Do we class 'Nag Nag Nag' as a song for example. I'd probably say yes, but I know people who possibly wouldn't. What about Loop - one of my fave bands at that time? Riffs ground out over and over, with barely audible singing over the top. Is that a 'song'? I don't know to be honest. But whether it's these, Can, Sonic Youth or anyone else, I personally think most music works best within *some* sort of structure or you're left with Pink Floyd at Pompeii or some free form ramble like 'LA Blues' by the Stooges which spoils - to some degree - an otherwise colossal album as far as I'm concerned. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:36:54 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Four Words to Read and Burn In the Art of Stopping experigressive provivalist mule honk I Don't Understand dea(r)th of Eastern exile Comet digital punx extinguish provivalism Germ Ship earth infested noise invested 1st Fast aphoristic riff surgery rant Agfers of Kodack Hawks fly warzone report Ten Years After Spit! fall of(f) dice Read and Burn silhouettes shout glectronic text(ur) Nice Streets telectrorev daleks heaven invasion Raft Ants Technical Hardcore Corporate Corpses Mr Marx's Table eNMEy stupidly raves off FuckOff DrillVersion / Drilled to Death? Robert thrashes headless guitar Pink Flag C21 Joy of One Chord Lowdown A -> B (-CD&E) 12XU Bart understands this one 99.9 ZOOM! Jimmy takes flight!! Meanwhile on the Ideal Copy Sporty Feet: Futile Balldribbling Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Chris Brokaw & Viva Las Vegas EP (www.kimcheerecords.com) (www.chrisbrokaw.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:17:10 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Apokalypso Cup: The World collapsed into mediocrity Germany and Italy bore the hell beautiful, and capped a run of great Flesh! Neo my moulah satan in Los Angeles from Faust Tapes (never thought pointless and essential style of playing). Comet spoons confusion in bars. Blitz scared Keith. The USA Machine plays Mexico next...and Apocalypse cracked a couple of these Redux shows now. Mob may not be milling around expending all their energies on admittedly unhealthy pleasures of Cracked Bart wearing his sad orange cap. More landslides! Like... final: images lo-fi mechanics in a thankless naked painting technique. But the most memorable gig was at a certain point a theory, fueled by social Page & Plastic Sun. Sept absolutely no modesty i report that i scored very little mojo powers on this one, vicar....so i might am paranoid and i had way too much to celebration in 2000 at the amazing show in the game winning goal with news, reviews and daydream dugga. Catch void series, but if the u.s. do happen to burn goose... he is a meathead! There's almost no real revivalist songwriting. Inside progress there's a reason for a Chairs Missing Brain. These sad Argentinian Field Museums try to finish nice pizza mammals and distant mouldy Turks! More landslides loving enormous French hyper-dub flies and their unhealthy energies honkin' on. Karren revisited Belgium Nation for the Conversation. "Please Robert, spend a lot of choking green gas... zilch flair and unnecessary acts... ra......HA!!! an even bigger kissing team!" Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Daniel Johnston / Live at Meltdown R3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:46:17 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Recent Sonic Youth It was indeed me expressing love for 'Dirty' and as I've already outed myself this week as a Henry Cow and Faust fan I think it's fair to say that a standard song structure is not necessary for my musical enjoyment. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Michael Flaherty ; Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Recent Sonic Youth > > >keith got dirty > > >>>>'Dirty' is one of the best albums of the 90s for my > > >>>>money, absolutely > > >beautiful, and capped a run of great albums from EVOL on. > > > Nothing they've > > >done since comes close IMHO > > > > Well, again Keith, not surprising. Do you like anything > > that breaks out of the standard song structure? > > If it hasn't got a good beat and you can't whistle it whilst standing up a > rickety ladder with a damp cloth in your hand, I don't like it ; ) > > Seriously, though it wasn't me - honest guv. I must have been the (an)other > (the) Keith. FWIW - and sorry to go against other peoples expectations - I > love Sonic Youth! I don't personally think the last few albums have been > *consistently* great, but there's always something worth listening to. And > Sonic Youth have never been about consistency in my eyes. They enjoy winding > people up too much for that! > > > I'm not writing this in anger > > I should hope not! > > > (what do I care, really?) > > well i was beginning to wonder ; ) > > > but I am curious. Do you like Wire's D & E, for example? > > Yes, but it's not my favourite. > > > Former Airline? > > it's a Wire track I'm not particularly familiar with, unless you count the > 'Behind the Curtain' version. > > > > Do you like anything > > that breaks out of the standard song structure > > To answer your question properly this time. > > I LOVE pop music - from all periods - but I don't spend all day listening to > Manfred Mann and Kylie you know. Some of my fave acts of the 90's were Loop > Guru and Transglobal Underground - I'm not sure they'd be popular with that > many IC-ers, but they don't really operate within what I would call a > standard song structure, though your interpretation might differ. Do we > class 'Nag Nag Nag' as a song for example. I'd probably say yes, but I know > people who possibly wouldn't. What about Loop - one of my fave bands at that > time? Riffs ground out over and over, with barely audible singing over the > top. Is that a 'song'? I don't know to be honest. But whether it's these, > Can, Sonic Youth or anyone else, I personally think most music works best > within *some* sort of structure or you're left with Pink Floyd at Pompeii or > some free form ramble like 'LA Blues' by the Stooges which spoils - to some > degree - an otherwise colossal album as far as I'm concerned. > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:26:27 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] Fordisms For a Mark Bursa style bronze (coz it's an easy one) anorak, other than Germ Ship, name one other song from the Wire/related ouevre in which the Ford motor company gets a mention. Ian B np - Bastard (just arrived from Soundhouse - thanks to whoever it was who alerted the list) now printing off - Leeds United fixture list 2002/03 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:57:23 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hoary old Manscape chestnut > >>and for those of us who don't mind having a listen to manscape now and > then... > > Or even thosewho like listening to it? > Manscape is a fine album. I've not fully got to grips with why it seems to have acquired something of a poor-relation status on this list (each to their own, mind, I don't have much time for Pink Flag). It's unlike anything else they've done, and yet absolutely recognisable as Wire; it contains one of the best ever Newman vocals (Craftsman's Touch), and some of the strangest and most intriguing Wire tracks ever (What Do You See? Children of Groceries). I was totally bowled over when it came out, and found it pretty much just as rewarding on a very recent re-visit. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:15:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fordisms From: Ian B > now printing off - Leeds United fixture list 2002/03 you mean there's two of you here ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:43:42 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures n.p. ambition-cherry red cd vol. 1 sorry i wasn't paying close attention to the beginning of this thread. what started it all off? hopefully a new release or tour or something other than death or illness. and as long as i'm writing, what was the name of the head guy at cherry red? and in case the name doesn't ring a bell, what did he do post-cherry red? there was lots of great stuff on that label, and most of what i have is on several compilations. - -paul (still waiting to r&b) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:38:39 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] I'm going home in a Priest Driven Ambience? I love the carrier bag man...I'm in love with the carrier bag man >It's a chain of honking order! >Ooh-basic Ahh-moose CUNT stubble, What a clever boy. Go on, Say Something outragegous. To my credit I shy away from expletives. Rowland verbalwrongs with a ladypart...like all crap radicals he reveals the real when he ejaculates (too early) the fannybads. Bad boy! Bill Grundy! He was more pissed than the Pistols you know! But then again he was expecting Brian May and Freddie Mercury. >Wrian Bilson spent feel pressure - >see he fuck Marc Riley! But Marc Riley have more Good-Pop-Thoughts than the spunking Fallowfield wrangler have in his Reverse Aldi Bag (so as not to advertise). The Carrier Bag Man Loves Me. >ungood hopping shimmy wing multiplied trumpet >Elgaland speaking toxic brain Partridge under vicar Piss Weak! 9/10 listess agree that I satirise you better than you do me. Do you me? I Did. >Tim minced about like fairy w/finger trapped in empty handbag And now the wrongbrain used homophobic crap. Who makes the Nazis? Who makes the Nazi fanzines? That little piggy stayed and choked at Faust gig until the green gas had cleared. and tried to claim Title. > >>>I'll fackin deck that Ken Gordon from Sonic Yoof if she gets that tru > >You're probably full of shite, as usual. Directed at the porcelain whereas most of yours is delivered to a maximum security world wide web-septic tank of incorrectitude. >If you aren't though, it will be entertaining to see a few hundred Sonic Youth >fans rip yr head off. Then we'll find out if the kid really is >deconstructibble. I'm sure SY will do a great show. Jim O'Rourke is their 5th member, and like Fennesz he has drawn the easy line between Brian Wilson and Avant Garde pop. I must make you a CD-R of tracks from Brian Wilsons 'Smile' project. Maybe you would understand. >After witnessing the stick the Make Up got from impatient SY >fans last time they were in town, I'd imagine the odds on you getting out >alive are low. I quake in my earthboots at the spazthought of 200 drugbots chasing me down Alexandra Park Road, attempting to kill me by parping farty free-jazz from their trumpets of doom..lead by the anorak'd machine himself....Mr Bernard Manning Rowland Bill Hicks from the Sticks Doesn't bother me cos I'll be heading back to my maximum security twilight home. >Behind the Lies > >>>I'm Snooker Loopy. > >Chesh'n'Dave w/Kippers More Chaka Demus and Pliers actually. >Corrected Vision > >>>You're not. > >'Sanity' never in doubt beyond enclosed walls of vicarage I don't live in a vicarage. But I used to and it was cool. Was it as cool as the posh schools you went too? Probably. >dog collar! dog collar! >this is for ya! May Dog Have Mercy On Your Soul >new record from goombay trance hand I'll 'Wacky Races' You! _ Cock Cock Cock Click Click Click Get Yer Frick On. http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:28:33 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I'm going home in a Priest Driven Ambience? On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 03:38:39AM +0100, Tim wrote: > Get Yer Frick On. I just sleep-deprivedly misread that as "Get Ur Fripp On", given it's just gone 6am here and I am approaching this from the up-all-night side (yes, my evening *was* good, thanks very much :)). My first thought was "That's a bootleg too far, surely?". My *second* thought was "hey, I have the software. I can do this." I think I need some sleep before I actually *start* doing something that stupid... Speaking of which; is it me, or is a lot of big-selling American pop/r'n'b really quite interesting at the moment? It's definitely extending the boundaries of what can be sold to a mainstream audience, which can't be that bad a thing. Anyway. Andrew - -- "It's no problem if you play it cool; Things are different if you act the fool!" - - Super Furry Animals, "Play It Cool" ('Radiator') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #200 *******************************