From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #199 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 17 2002 Volume 05 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Shake Off Yr Flesh! ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] ireland ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Ireland [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ireland [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ireland [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ireland [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Ireland ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Ireland [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Beast Boys Doubt Vicars Brain Partridge ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Apokalypso [giluz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:29:38 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures I've got a vinyl copy of Miiatures too if anyone in the UK wants a copy done for them. NP.The Dukes Of Stratosphear - Chips From The Chocolate Fireball Next Up; Frau Frau - Details (Great sample of Brian Eno's Ascent (An ending) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:30:18 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Shake Off Yr Flesh! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Shake Off Yr Flesh! > > The SYR stuff is mostly in region of 'top notch' though, as is most > Lee & Thurston out of band experients. > - ----- That's interesting, as I've never pursued the SYR stuff - I'll try and look it up - ---- > Since Dirty, you could cobble up a fine comp w/ > > Starfield Rd > Doctor's Orders (t vox) > No Queen Blues > Skip Tracer > Diamond Sea > all Lee & Thurston songs from 1000 Leaves > everything from NYC Ghosts & Flowers except the final track & the stoopit one > where Kim bumbles on about boys from Jupiter > > >>>(although I haven't heard the new one). > > Well, I have heard Murray Street, but won't buy until I spot it 2nd hand - D > Geffen gets none o' my moulah! > > satan flirts! > I'm prepared! > > Possibly their best since Daydream Nation? > > Someone says that about every later SY album... > > Best since Dirty maybe? > > Rain on Tin & Karren Revisited are standouts, as is the track with > Borbetomagus honkin' on. > > Thurston sounds ever more like Neil Young, > Lee (DE)tunes it in to surpass all he's done > > 'Time slipped' > > They also thoughtfully put both the Kim tracks at the end so that I can switch > off the CD - but strangely, they turn out to be quite good too. > > Alien Jim 'Chicagonogood' O'Rourke is on board > > At www.sonicyouth.com you can download probably the 2 weakest tracks from > Murray Street (the Empty Page & Plastic Sun). - ---------- If only my PC wasn't so steam-driven... downloads take an age. The noise on this album is now getting VERY positive. - ------------ > NP Can - Live Colchester Finale WHAT is this??? What period Can - and the quality of the recording? another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:42:38 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA A woman??? Crikey, I didn't know women were allowed on this list! Seriously, you are doubly welcome! I was beginning to entertain notions that Wire (or, at least, participating in a Wire mailing list) is for some reason a male only interest. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lydia Revelos To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA > Hiya- > I am a longtime watcher of the list, first time writer, (yeah, but I'm > shy) but wanted to introduce myself and see if anyone will be attending > the Wire show in Sept in Los Angeles? (Or going to the Mission of Burma > show in July) > > I have been lurking on the list ever since I saw them for the very *first* > time in 2000 at the amazing show in LA. Wow, what a rush > that was. I am a huge fan of Wire since high school, (and am > still in my 20s) and I have a long story to go along with fascination, > but it's similar to many others, starting out liking the 80s and now > into the 70s. The fact that I am a female makes me quite the minority > I take it however..! > > I thoroughly enjoy all the music suggestions and this list has > really expanded my interests/collection. I'm in need of another revamp > so, send more! > > Lydia > > NP: Troubleman Mix-Tape, Orange Can (Home Burns), Tortoise (Standards), > Rocket from the Crypt (Circa: Now!), ...and every other day, my homemade > Wire CD-R to hit the treadmill with ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:17:03 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Apokalypso Good connection! How's the recent Ravvivando remix album? (Think you showed it as a NP). another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:38 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Apokalypso > The Bulb Lit Keith > >>>went to see Apocalypse Now Redux a couple of weeks ago. > > But before that he > >>>saw Faust 4 or 5 times in the 90s and they were always great, > working up a storm and different every time. Their greatest hits show was a > surprise, playing stuff from Faust Tapes (never thought I'd hear that live, > just as I thought I'd never hear Mannequin) while employing leaf blowers and > naked painting techniques. But the most memorable gig was at the Garage > when they finished off by spreading powder along their metal bar at the > front and setting light to it, leading to an unpleasant fog filling the > venue within a few minutes. It was quite impossible to see the exits. I > recall finally staggering onto the Holloway Road with smoke billowing out of > the venue into the night air while people milled around coughing and > staggering into traffic. Highly irresponsible no doubt but a great moment. > My mate Martin lit a fag as soon as he got out, which I think is one of the > most unnecessary acts I've ever seen. > > I can tie these two things together for you... > > I was at that Faust garage gig and was pretty much the last person out of the > venue who didn't work there. Choking green gas filled the entire place right > back to the bar. At the end I held my breath and dived into it towards where > the exit might have been, waving goodbye to the Recommended Records people as > they tried to pack up their stall. Outside two fire engines zoomed up, lights > flashing. I wandered around the back where I encountered a beaming Zappi > Deirmaier (Faust drummist / metal basher / television smasher / firework > igniter), whose English is not fluent. I got across my enjoyment of the gig to > him with the repeated phrase, "Apocalypse Now!" > > It was quite funny that when Ravvivando came out later that year it had a > track on it called... > > Apokalypse. > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > NP Larsen - Rever (www.younggodrecords.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:40:22 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] ireland come on robert. if you're reading, it's half time and ireland NEED you! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:22:52 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Ireland It was a great try by the lads.Somehow penalties are a fitting way to go out.It all comes down to individual bottle & not team spirit.If it was just team spirit Ireland would have won the World Cup.It wasn't just like watching Brazil but just as exciting.All I hope is that Germany don't win it.that would be hard to take.Ireland are out ...& yet were never beaten. Slightly depressed but proud Irishman. NP Shpongle-Tales of the Inexpressible ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:30:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ireland In a message dated 6/16/02 7:33:50 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > come on robert. if you're reading, it's half time and ireland NEED you! > i am so very sorry....i was passed out drunk....i had way too many at a friend's going away party.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:34:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ireland << i am so very sorry....i was passed out drunk....i had way too many at a friend's going away party.... >> Hang your head in shame! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:42:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ireland In a message dated 6/16/02 9:34:10 AM Central Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > << i am so very sorry....i was passed out drunk....i had way too many at a > friend's going away party.... >> > > Hang your head in shame! > > Mark i am..... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:51:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ireland > It was a great try by the lads.Somehow penalties are a fitting way to go > out.It all comes down to individual bottle & not team spirit.If it was just > team spirit Ireland would have won the World Cup.It wasn't just like watching > Brazil but just as exciting.All I hope is that Germany don't win it.that > would be hard to take.Ireland are out ...& yet were never beaten. > Slightly depressed but proud Irishman. > god. they did you proud chris. it was so tense in the end, i could hardly watch. god knows what it must have been like watching that as an irishman. i'm knackered and gutted and i'm not even irish. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:46:52 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ireland For what it's worth Chris... I cheered for Ireland. Wonderful to see how they came back in the game. Did you see that great camerashot of a crying Irishfan when Robbie Kean made 1-1? Superb! Shame Ireland did penalties the Holland [the country, not the player] way... Bart > It was a great try by the lads.Somehow penalties are a fitting way to go > out.It all comes down to individual bottle & not team spirit.If it was just > team spirit Ireland would have won the World Cup.It wasn't just like watching > Brazil but just as exciting.All I hope is that Germany don't win it.that > would be hard to take.Ireland are out ...& yet were never beaten. > Slightly depressed but proud Irishman. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:00:16 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA Welcome Lydia, hope you enjoy your unlurk-mode. Women being a monority here seems like quite an understatement. ;-) Bart [trying to attend the ICA gig in London] NP: Ceiling - Shaker Shaker > Hiya- > I am a longtime watcher of the list, first time writer, (yeah, but I'm > shy) but wanted to introduce myself and see if anyone will be attending > the Wire show in Sept in Los Angeles? (Or going to the Mission of Burma > show in July) > > I have been lurking on the list ever since I saw them for the very *first* > time in 2000 at the amazing show in LA. Wow, what a rush > that was. I am a huge fan of Wire since high school, (and am > still in my 20s) and I have a long story to go along with fascination, > but it's similar to many others, starting out liking the 80s and now > into the 70s. The fact that I am a female makes me quite the minority > I take it however..! > > I thoroughly enjoy all the music suggestions and this list has > really expanded my interests/collection. I'm in need of another revamp > so, send more! > > Lydia > > NP: Troubleman Mix-Tape, Orange Can (Home Burns), Tortoise (Standards), > Rocket from the Crypt (Circa: Now!), ...and every other day, my homemade > Wire CD-R to hit the treadmill with ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:15:36 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Beast Boys Doubt Vicars Brain Partridge It's a chain of honking order! Ooh-basic Ahh-moose CUNT stubble, spasm a monkey god on me trellis and give me The beast boys doubt Wire marxism Wire of the whole Wire phere. the pan seasoning of anything other than a ransonic isn't t'shell shed bracket. Fill the geezers with but Delbert doesn't understand the Breakfast Wrian Bilson spent feel pressure - see he fuck Marc Riley! ungood hopping shimmy wing multiplied trumpet Elgaland speaking toxic brain Partridge under vicar warm vicarsson spread con Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Keiji Haino - Execrate etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:06:21 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What have you got in that plastic bag? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 6/13/02 12:53:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > << Is it a Nurse With Wound CD for me?>>>>> > > i don't get it......did i miss a post? > I met a friend in a bar prior to magog. He gave me a Plastic Bag full of CD-Rs, one of which was a copy of NWW 'Man w/ Woman Face' > Last night Damo Suzuki played in Manchester.>>>>>> > > you lucky man.... > Lucky indeed, it was the best magog in Manc all year Funny how so many Can name droppers didn't turn up though... the same thing happens when all these cool musos who think electroacoustic music is so hip to drop don't turn up to the magogs. Credit to G Massey & Toolshed posse, Bess Keloid, Falling Dog band and Ex-Fallster Mme Nagle who made the effort. Credit to Andy Votel for organising such a shindig. It occurred to me that Mr Votel's White Rabbit night might afford Wire the perfect opportunity for playing in Manchester. I'd love to hear them in the Band on the Wall! Up next: To Rococo Rot > It was like time warping back to early 70s, stream of consciousness poured > from his mindbrain out his mouth into the voidniverse.>>>> > > was it all new material or did he perform any Can stuff? > All new - the band improvise. Imagine prime Can jams but perhaps a little denser, heavier, dronier. No keyboard, 2 guitars, bass often switches to violin. > Drummer was probably worthy of 2 Leibezeits - that skittering and > ambidextrous!!! 2 guitars locking and spinning round, bass switching to > violin.>>>>> > Keith was intrigued >>>>Bloody hell, sounds great , lead me to it! - although I can't imagine two Leibezeits. Nor could I until I saw what this able jazz drummist was up to. > is this going to be a fairly big tour? > Sorry, haven't a clue. But I think Damo is continuing his trip... > Imagine 'Up the bakerloo line with Annie' Can Peel session maybe with longer > jams off Tago Mago, just one long head trip out of the Band on the Wall and > into the all. If he play in town near you DO NOT MISS! >>>>> > > well i doubt that i could be so lucky that he would come to the worthless > U.S....but here's hoping.....Did Can ever play outside Europe? > Not that I know of. They'd stopped playing anywhere by the time I started listening to music seriously. To say that Damo has aged well is the understatement of the hyper-dub sixmonth. > I went home in a cosmic ambience. > >>>>>>>> > > i'm sure you did ! How long was the show? > > Temporal concerns did not apply there. Review will probably be online on Monday at www.brainwashed.com/brain NP Enuma Elish - When Above (www.lithiq.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:10:46 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Honk Kim Honk! Kimmy Jimmy Jam! Tim minced about like fairy w/finger trapped in empty handbag >>>I'll fackin deck that Ken Gordon from Sonic Yoof if she gets that trumpet out again. You're probably full of shite, as usual. If you aren't though, it will be entertaining to see a few hundred Sonic Youth fans rip yr head off. Then we'll find out if the kid really is deconstructibble. After witnessing the stick the Make Up got from impatient SY fans last time they were in town, I'd imagine the odds on you getting out alive are low. Behind the Lies >>>I'm Snooker Loopy. Chesh'n'Dave w/Kippers Corrected Vision >>>You're not. 'Sanity' never in doubt beyond enclosed walls of vicarage dog collar! dog collar! this is for ya! new record from goombay trance hand Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Np Oxes (www.monitorrecords.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:59:08 -0700 From: "Lydia Revelos" Subject: [idealcopy] W songs to run to > >my homemade > >Wire CD-R to hit the treadmill with > > welcome lydia, > so what > songs > did you choose for the above mentioned treadmill cd-r? :o) > These came out in reverse alphabetical order and a quick, no thought version of songs that I like to sing along to right now (no obscurities or fav intense slow stuff)-I put on shuffle to throw a curve.. *Making a 'part 2' soon...any suggestions??* 1) the point of collapse 2) the 15th 3) reuters 4) pink flag 5) over theirs 6) outdoor miner 7) on returning 8) mercy 9) map ref. 10) mannequin 11) madman's honey 12) lowdown 13) in vivo 14) french film blurred 15) follow the locust 16) ex-lion tamer 17) come back in two halves 18) cheeking tongues 19) blessed state 20) ambitious 21) ahead 22) a question of degree - -Lydia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:41:53 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Apokalypso on 16/06/02 11:17, Keith Knight at steeleknight@lineone.net wrote: > Good connection! How's the recent Ravvivando remix album? (Think you showed > it as a NP). As someone who was a bit disappointed from first impressions, I have to change my views and say that it's great - it has most of what you'd expect from a Faust release. Giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #199 *******************************