From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #198 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, June 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 198 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] MEXICUP [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] The WORLD CUP !!!!!! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The WORLD CUP !!!!!! [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] That Godfather Gilbert Conducts an Experiment? ["Bill Hick" <] [idealcopy] Apokalypso ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Burn these songs alive to support them! ["Bill Hick" ] Re: RE: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Four Word Wire Reviews ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures ["Stephen Graziano" Now, what I want to know is, Is the upcoming match with your friendly > Mexican neighbours being hyped up by the US sports media, in the manner > that > we would expect an England/Scotland game to be done, if they were to meet > in > the World Cup finals. Ha, what are the chances of that? > > AndyL > > actually...the USA plays Mexico next...and i will guarantee we will lose...the Mexican team is just plain better than we are...we backed into the cup because of Portugal's collapse into mediocrity... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:13:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers In a message dated 6/15/02 2:45:32 AM Central Daylight Time, andrew@lumbard.co.uk writes: > Now, what I want to know is, Is the upcoming match with your friendly > Mexican neighbours being hyped up by the US sports media NO....the US sports media is too busy kissing Shaquille O'Neal's ass and trying to make us all believe he is one of the all-time greats of basketball...the moron can't even shoot free throws....what a joke..... and speaking of ass kissing...the us media has also informed that Lennox Lewis is the greatest boxer of the era......HA!!! an even bigger joke! what about Evander Holyfield? even Tyson in his early years...Lennox Lewis is the most boring fighter i have ever seen... RL RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:21:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers > > Now, what I want to know is, Is the upcoming match with your friendly > > Mexican neighbours being hyped up by the US sports media, in the manner > > that > > we would expect an England/Scotland game to be done, if they were to meet > > in > > the World Cup finals. Ha, what are the chances of that? > > > > AndyL > > > > > > actually...the USA plays Mexico next...and i will guarantee we will > lose...the Mexican team is just plain better than we are...we backed into the > cup because of Portugal's collapse into mediocrity... > > RL and cos of brad friedel! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:24:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers but i am not! with absolutely no modesty i report that i scored the game winning goal with 14 seconds left in a 4-3 victory in my friday night indoor soccer match.... thank you...thank you..no applause..you're too kind...really...thank you... oh boy....it's 4:30 am and i had way too much to celebration (drinking!) at the pubs..... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:22:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers In a message dated 6/15/02 4:15:17 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > and cos of brad friedel! > nah...because of Jeff Agoos!...he is a meathead! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:12:58 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers > and speaking of ass kissing...the us media has also informed that Lennox > Lewis is the greatest boxer of the era......HA!!! an even bigger joke! what > about Evander Holyfield? even Tyson in his early years...Lennox Lewis is the > most boring fighter i have ever seen... > depends on how long we're saying an era is. lewis undoubtedly the greatest boxer at the moment and has been for years. he would have been world champion much longer if certain other boxers hadn't been, shall we say, a little bit wary, and refused to fight him. but tyson at his peak...it's a long, long time ago now, but phew! he was awesome! just watched germany bt paraguay, typical late goal in a typically shite match. with due respect to frank here, germany once again demonstrated that they are the LFC of international football. the haircuts might have improved, but they both still play a game based on ruthless defenive 'qualities' and zilch flair! and now for england. time they showed some enterprise too... keith n.p. lambchop - is a woman (single) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:32:29 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it ain't over till Brando sings - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: wire-news Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it ain't over till Brando sings > Anyone tried the Four Word Film Review. No matches for The Conversation, > ---------- How about 'Paranoid? Get a sax.' another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:02:21 -0400 From: "k erickson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it ain't over till Brando sings >> Anyone tried the Four Word Film Review. No matches for The Conversation, >> > ---------- > >How about 'Paranoid? Get a sax.' > >another the Keith Keith: that's brilliant!! very funny! i'm not even going to try one now.... kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] MZUI >> From what I remember last time this came up, Cherry Red were reluctant to release MZUI to wmo unless a fee (#1,000?) was paid, which made the project unviable. << Cherry Red offered pretty much a minimum fee for artwork and licensing: 500 quid. However, the likelihood of this not being a loss-making exercise was tiny, even with that small fee (once you take into account making the CD artwork, duplication, etc) C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:25:28 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MEXICUP > actually...the USA plays Mexico next...and i will guarantee we will > lose...the Mexican team is just plain better than we are...we backed into the > cup because of Portugal's collapse into mediocrity... > RL I'm afraid you right here... Wouldn't be surprised at all if Mexico would make it to the final. Would hate if the Brazilians would, because they seem to have given up their attractive style of playing. Germany and Italy bore the hell out of me. Personally I would love England to meet Mexico in the final, but will they get past Brazil [or... Belgium???] I wonder... But for now I'm loving Korea's and Japan's [beat those Turks!] enthousiasm enormously - as well as all these sad Argentinian, French and Portugese images... More landslides! [like... final: Belgium <-> Korea?] Bart [wearing his sad orange cap] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:08:23 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The WORLD CUP !!!!!! ok...where is that damn World in Motion cd single of mine?...i know it's around here somewhere ..... ENGLAND !!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!! i expended very little mojo powers on this one....so i might even have some left for Ireland... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:10:36 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The WORLD CUP !!!!!! In a message dated 15/06/2002 16:09:06 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > i expended very little mojo powers on this one....so i might even have some > left for Ireland... > > RL > Please Robert.Spend alot of Mojo power to get Ireland through. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 02:03:30 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] That Godfather Gilbert Conducts an Experiment? A new Icelandic short film is always a good thing for us -- with the Art Lost A Short Weekend Is your goose cooked or warm? Do you film by Dagur Kari? Malfur Skinnytoe A bumpet show (Kira Kira & Sigga Bjoerg Marshall) >Institute, the Field Museum, to finish or start No time for these upright mammals and distant Japanese Fish Nice Pizza, Nice Pizza, Nice Pizza Yum! Mouldy Pizza, Mouldy Pizza, Mouldy Pizza Yeuch! x Field, record shopping north of the Other Window Wrigley Field, the Berghoff -- so it'll be a fun getaway in the Metropolis of Your Dream. As a Chicagoan I feel obligated to say: At a certain point a theory, fueled by social pressure, can listen to a living scene plus a typical Kitchen Mars Feed is in your top cupola? ;) BTW, tickets still not on sale, and may not op star, guru devotee, and curator of arguably rocks wackiest and most original Conversation (which *is* magnificent but a chamber piece compared to this unconscious model of invention). bee for a while ... I'll bee Milling thought in nice streets Slicing up the pill Buzz in nice streets above. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:38:00 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Apokalypso The Bulb Lit Keith >>>went to see Apocalypse Now Redux a couple of weeks ago. But before that he >>>saw Faust 4 or 5 times in the 90s and they were always great, working up a storm and different every time. Their greatest hits show was a surprise, playing stuff from Faust Tapes (never thought I'd hear that live, just as I thought I'd never hear Mannequin) while employing leaf blowers and naked painting techniques. But the most memorable gig was at the Garage when they finished off by spreading powder along their metal bar at the front and setting light to it, leading to an unpleasant fog filling the venue within a few minutes. It was quite impossible to see the exits. I recall finally staggering onto the Holloway Road with smoke billowing out of the venue into the night air while people milled around coughing and staggering into traffic. Highly irresponsible no doubt but a great moment. My mate Martin lit a fag as soon as he got out, which I think is one of the most unnecessary acts I've ever seen. I can tie these two things together for you... I was at that Faust garage gig and was pretty much the last person out of the venue who didn't work there. Choking green gas filled the entire place right back to the bar. At the end I held my breath and dived into it towards where the exit might have been, waving goodbye to the Recommended Records people as they tried to pack up their stall. Outside two fire engines zoomed up, lights flashing. I wandered around the back where I encountered a beaming Zappi Deirmaier (Faust drummist / metal basher / television smasher / firework igniter), whose English is not fluent. I got across my enjoyment of the gig to him with the repeated phrase, "Apocalypse Now!" It was quite funny that when Ravvivando came out later that year it had a track on it called... Apokalypse. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Larsen - Rever (www.younggodrecords.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:25:26 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Burn these songs alive to support them! Wire's Read & Burn 01 is one of them dang thoughts it dang sound massive and just hits you in like a steam-po'er of experigressive and provivalist drectronic terrains. Even when there's something to Read pointless, I think it has something to do with its accidentally run over by a car production. Even when there's almost no real revivalist songwriting inside there's a reason for a Chairs Missing. Brain-hammering feedback is the only proper way to burn progress. Catch Void Later Behind the Lines Don't Understand? something at once pointless and essential These songs is something that ratio down. "Cometch" as it's put in reverse to support them, flared-out feedar and Lewis's earth-moving bass. "1st Fast" opens with pointless and essential industrial punch-press guitarasound out lo-fi mechanics is a thankless task, but so listen to a lick of it. It's big and foul changes in music that sounds like it's made by band of horrible Germ business...and business is riff effect around Wire's oblique angle. Aliens on board? Yes, your Germship! Fly through the band's hyper-dub website, www.pinkflag.com, and the flinty sort of sonic landscape of hard drifting that could be 20 years old puts them in danger of expending all their energies on admittedly unhealthy pleasures of choruses and hooks and big shouty climaxes. If this is another way of saying Wire arrange the minimalist smarts of their impeccable ear texture, and snarling, distorted multiple solutions, the band has smacked its somewhat difficult shins on the simple philosophy that brilliant late eighties recordings owed little to their origins but reinvented their horrible anger. 01 that's like nothing else in the pasty. Why Gotobed with the final e from their name? Real sight be even better, all snarly six months and sub-industrial, the closest the skeptics are to glectronic texture and otheprivate admiration for Wire has often outweighed my joyless cubist enthusiasm and I've dropped drummer Robert generally as neurotic android. Ship some unflinching found basslines fast. In the first six hyperten dubby months of 2002, only the Melt Banana / Locust 7" could ooze as much experigressive provivalist shin smacking riff meat. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:21:39 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Shake Off Yr Flesh! keith got dirty >>>'Dirty' is one of the best albums of the 90s for my money, absolutely beautiful, and capped a run of great albums from EVOL on. Nothing they've done since comes close IMHO WHat??? Don't ya mean from Confusion is Sex on??? Always thought Goo a bit patchy but the highs (Mote, Mildred Pierce, Tunic, Cinderella, Disappearer) were pretty high. Neil Young cover Computer Age from that time is a must! All SY big label spew is patchy since Dirty (& Creme Brulee to me is the start of a run of irritating nursery rhyme Kimsongs which I can happily live without). The SYR stuff is mostly in region of 'top notch' though, as is most Lee & Thurston out of band experients. Since Dirty, you could cobble up a fine comp w/ Starfield Rd Doctor's Orders (t vox) No Queen Blues Skip Tracer Diamond Sea all Lee & Thurston songs from 1000 Leaves everything from NYC Ghosts & Flowers except the final track & the stoopit one where Kim bumbles on about boys from Jupiter >>>(although I haven't heard the new one). Well, I have heard Murray Street, but won't buy until I spot it 2nd hand - D Geffen gets none o' my moulah! satan flirts! I'm prepared! Possibly their best since Daydream Nation? Someone says that about every later SY album... Best since Dirty maybe? Rain on Tin & Karren Revisited are standouts, as is the track with Borbetomagus honkin' on. Thurston sounds ever more like Neil Young, Lee (DE)tunes it in to surpass all he's done 'Time slipped' They also thoughtfully put both the Kim tracks at the end so that I can switch off the CD - but strangely, they turn out to be quite good too. Alien Jim 'Chicagonogood' O'Rourke is on board At www.sonicyouth.com you can download probably the 2 weakest tracks from Murray Street (the Empty Page & Plastic Sun). Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "We should kill time - Shut it down!" NP Can - Live Colchester Finale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:06:43 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: [idealcopy] USA are football stinkers i live in new york. the mets and yankees just began their weekend series at shea stadium (mets) last night. i'll forgive the lack of coverage the papers gave last night's game because it did end late, but really the only sports news you're gonna see on the front pages for now is about some guy named after a large feline, wearing a nike cap, and swinging a metal club over his head in an open field in the rain. now if there had been a chance of lightning...that would've been worthy of the coverage the u.s. open is getting. the world cup does see a 2 page spread inside the paper, as does the mets/yankees series, but if the u.s. do happen to make the finals, i don't think it will matter who their opponent is. there just isn't that kind of interest when it comes to "soccer" :o\ - -paul (isn't it just like the mets to get beat by the guy they traded away) c.d. In a message dated 6/15/02 3:45:32 AM, andrew@lumbard.co.uk writes: >Now, what I want to know is, Is the upcoming match with your friendly > >Mexican neighbours being hyped up by the US sports media, in the manner >that > >we would expect an England/Scotland game to be done, if they were to meet >in > >the World Cup finals. Ha, what are the chances of that? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:24:33 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Four Word Wire Reviews > > Anyone tried the Four Word Film Review. No matches for The Conversation, > > > ---------- > > How about 'Paranoid? Get a sax.' > > another the Keith or 'Better than Apocalypse Now' which is where we came in ; ) Maybe we should try some four word Wire reviews though... Here's my Read & Burn... In The Art of Stopping - 'Stop starting Blitz riff' I Don't Understand - 'Confusion on a plate'. Comet - 'More bar's than Wetherspoons' Germ Ship - 'Is that Vic there?' 1st Fast - 'There it was gone' The Agfers of Kodack - 'Scared of litigation methinks' Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:35:57 -0700 From: "Lydia Revelos" Subject: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA Hiya- I am a longtime watcher of the list, first time writer, (yeah, but I'm shy) but wanted to introduce myself and see if anyone will be attending the Wire show in Sept in Los Angeles? (Or going to the Mission of Burma show in July) I have been lurking on the list ever since I saw them for the very *first* time in 2000 at the amazing show in LA. Wow, what a rush that was. I am a huge fan of Wire since high school, (and am still in my 20s) and I have a long story to go along with fascination, but it's similar to many others, starting out liking the 80s and now into the 70s. The fact that I am a female makes me quite the minority I take it however..! I thoroughly enjoy all the music suggestions and this list has really expanded my interests/collection. I'm in need of another revamp so, send more! Lydia NP: Troubleman Mix-Tape, Orange Can (Home Burns), Tortoise (Standards), Rocket from the Crypt (Circa: Now!), ...and every other day, my homemade Wire CD-R to hit the treadmill with ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:05:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA Hi Lydia Good to hear from you. And don't be shy! Keith > Hiya- > I am a longtime watcher of the list, first time writer, (yeah, but I'm > shy) but wanted to introduce myself and see if anyone will be attending > the Wire show in Sept in Los Angeles? (Or going to the Mission of Burma > show in July) > > I have been lurking on the list ever since I saw them for the very *first* > time in 2000 at the amazing show in LA. Wow, what a rush > that was. I am a huge fan of Wire since high school, (and am > still in my 20s) and I have a long story to go along with fascination, > but it's similar to many others, starting out liking the 80s and now > into the 70s. The fact that I am a female makes me quite the minority > I take it however..! > > I thoroughly enjoy all the music suggestions and this list has > really expanded my interests/collection. I'm in need of another revamp > so, send more! > > Lydia > > NP: Troubleman Mix-Tape, Orange Can (Home Burns), Tortoise (Standards), > Rocket from the Crypt (Circa: Now!), ...and every other day, my homemade > Wire CD-R to hit the treadmill with ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:10:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] yeah yeah yeahs Finally got the Yeah Yeah Yeahs five track e.p. today. Pretty punky, shouty, percussive, sometimes Siouxsie-like in the vocal dept. Think I'm gonna like it a lot! Keith NP Associates - Nude Spoons (EUPHORIA!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:53:42 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA Hi Lydia, << > the Wire show in Sept in Los Angeles? (Or going to the Mission of Burma > show in July) > >> Even if you can't find anyone to go with, I'd strongly recommend that you see both of these shows. MoB may not be around for much longer but their London show in April was outstanding. Catch 'em while you can. As for Wire, they're in superb form right now.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA > Hi Lydia, Welcome to the world of non-luking! I live up in Santa Cruz, but will likely be heading down south for the San Diego and LA shows. Since it's right after Burning Man, I'll be logging some serious miles, but let me know if you want to meet up in LA and/or carpool to SD for that show. np: kmfdm 'Attak' nd: Chardonnay ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:04:49 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] intro/wire in LA In a message dated 6/15/02 4:40:39 PM, lrevelos@onebox.com writes: >my homemade >Wire CD-R to hit the treadmill with welcome lydia, and i'll go along with mark by saying "don't miss the mob show". i saw them earlier this year in new york, and they were outstanding. i'm looking forward to catching wire again in september too. 2000 was the first time i saw them as well, even though i've been listening to them for 20 years. so what songs did you choose for the above mentioned treadmill cd-r? :o) - -paul c.d. a.k.a. "another the paul" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:38:14 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures vinyl copy for sale at http://www.magicattic.gemm.com - look up in catalog under various artists. or see me off list about a CDR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart van Damme" To: "wire-news" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher's Miniatures > >> what on earth is THIS??? > >> > >> Keith > > > By the way... anybody got this one on cd? > > 3Miniatures2 (51 one-minute tracks by Robert Fripp, Robert Wyatt, Michael > Nyman, Gavin Bryars, members of The Flying Lizards, The Pretenders, XTC, The > Penguin Cafe Orchestra, The Damned and other artists)." > > I can only play a veeeery old and crippled cassette myself... > > Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #198 *******************************