From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #194 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 13 2002 Volume 05 : Number 194 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Where to find Noises? [Mark McQuitty ] Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. [Bart van Damme ] AW: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] it ain't over till Brando sings [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Moral Dial: A lot of it had turned ugly. ["Bill Hick" ] Re: Thread Hijack (was Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP) [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Afghan Agfa [Andrew Westmeyer ] Re: [idealcopy] swot's that? [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] swot's that? [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Specially for Robert... [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:45:11 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where to find Noises? Re: [idealcopy] Where to find Noises? Has anyone checked out new stuff via PostEverything? I've got quite into some of the Leaf label artists. My current favourites are a duo called 310. Leaf do some good value compilations similar to Swim records which got me into them. I would recommend the Osmosis sampler as a good start point. Lots of the Leaf back catalogue stuff drops to mid-price, which is nice. Another thing Leaf do is label-showcase gigs where a number of artists play. I was thinking maybe Colin could do similar with Swim. How about it Colin? I would dearly love to see Silo live. MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:50:53 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sonic Memories > Saw them 3 times on the 'Dirty' tour with Pavement & Cell supporting, Leeds, > Manchester, Nottingham. > Theresa's Soundworld tended to be the gig highlight. Last time I saw them was at the Utecht Tivoli [Dirty tour] supported by dutch experimental punk legends the EX [Albini has recorded last 2 of the band's 17 albums] wich dissapointed. Drunken Butterfly and [indeed] Theresa's Soundworld stood out. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:59:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. > ahh...the quest is complete...France is ousted...France did not score a > single goal...i am a happy man....bye bye France, you have showed the world > that you were a paper champion...... Haha... so your little Zidane voodoo-doll worked after all! >8-/ Bart NP: Max Richter, Memoryhouse [not officially out yet] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:13:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. << > ahh...the quest is complete...France is ousted...France did not score a > single goal...i am a happy man....bye bye France, you have showed the world > that you were a paper champion...... >> Never mind that. England are through and the cheating drug-addled Argy bastards are out. Excellent! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:26:40 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] R&B 01 review My friend Dean Carlson has an entertaining and thoughtful (IMO, anyway) go at R&B 01: http://www.fckdncrlsn.com/columns/2002_0612.shtml later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:59:53 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 12:13 > An: idealcopy@smoe.org > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. > > > << > ahh...the quest is complete...France is ousted...France > did not score a > > single goal...i am a happy man....bye bye France, you have > showed the world > > that you were a paper champion...... >> > > Never mind that. England are through and the cheating > drug-addled Argy > bastards are out. Excellent! Even the "hand of god" who travelled all the way to Japan couldn't help them ... And now let's pray for one more goal for Denmark. FrankfromBavaria np: "football is coming home" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:57:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: radio 6 > > > Initially the shows on offer will be Brinsley Forde's Lively Up > > > >Yourself, Bruce Dickinson's Rock Show and Freak Show, Bob Harris, and > > Craig > > > >Charles' Funk show. You'll also be able to access specialist music shows > > > >from the other BBC networks. Watch this space for more information! > > > howard: > > > This sort of thing has me looking upwards at the rafters and wondering > > > if they'd take a nail and a suitable length of rope. The self > > > satisfaction and conservatism of some institutions knows no bounds. > > > > i don't see what the problem is myself, howard. > > It's the roll-call of usual suspects doing the presenting that I find so > depressing, along with the fact that these particular `specialist' ares > are already well covered on Wonderful Radio One, and hold little > interest for me. i take your point. we certainly don't need a 'rock' show or bob harris and his soft rock hell - does this mean that he's lost his R2 slot then? - but there's little or no reggae on the main stations (suggs show was the last time i heard any). > If they float your boat, fine bruce dickinson doesn't. i'd like to make that VERY clear ; ) > but I think for a self > proclaimed alternative/diverse/leftfield station it sounds all very > static and predictable. i agree. >I'm not familiar with the full schedule so tell > me if I do a disservice. Is there an electronica/IDM slot, for example? not to my knowledge. i think maybe we were talking at cross purposes. i'm more pleased that you can, say, download a reggae show at any time (as i'm likely to miss the mere one hour shows at the time), rather than who/what the station is playing overall. and, of course, the prospect that there might be some interesting archive/peel stuff available (brinsley ford has been playing old reggae sessions so hopefully it won't stop with him). keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:08:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. robert > > ahh...the quest is complete...France is ousted...France did not score a > > single goal...i am a happy man....bye bye France, you have showed the world > > that you were a paper champion...... > > > Haha... so your little Zidane voodoo-doll worked after all! >8-/ > Bart age. complacency. injuries. lack of heart. we've heard all the excuses/reasons for the french exit, but not one pundit over here has given the robert lynn factor as a reason. robert. we salute you! and promise to never, ever upset you : ) still can't get over the argies getting knocked out though. even after they'd lost to england, i thought the way they played the last 20 mins or so, showed they could still win it. personally i don't think england are capable of winning it, but with the french and argentinians out, and the germans not being the force they usually are, they may never have a better chance. so who's gonna win it then - brazil? spain? italy (providing they qualify!), portugal? i'm tempted to go for a complete dark horse here - croatia anybody??? keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:07:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. In a message dated 6/12/02 10:01:40 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > personally i don't think england are capable of winning it, but with the > french and argentinians out, and the germans not being the force they > usually are, they may never have a better chance. > > so who's gonna win it then - brazil? spain? italy (providing they > qualify!), > portugal? > > i'm tempted to go for a complete dark horse here - croatia anybody??? > > keith > well...from what i've seen...the Brazilians seem to be the favorite ....i worked out my own predictions and mapped out a bracket...and i came up with Brazil beating Portugal in the final.....Spain might finally make a run as well....Even though my heart is with England and Ireland, i don't think they will pull it off.......besides, i spent all of my mojo power on France.....can't help anyone from here on out...i just wanted France out...... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:16:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clint Ruin & Lydia Lunch > Has anybody out there ever heard the "Don't Fear the Reaper" cd by Clint Ruin > & Lydia Lunch ??? and if so, any opinions or descriptions of it would be > helpful... > robert i can certainly *imagine* what it sounds like! saw clint ruin join soft cell on stage in the early 80's for a mental version of 'ghost rider', where they chased each other round the stage for some considerable time. almond then composed himself - and somehow got his breath back enough to croon the 'say hello, wave goodbye' finale. excellent!!! almond/ruin did a simlar performance on the short-lived C4 show 'switch' too. keith np bowie - heathen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:10:45 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Thread Hijack (was Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP) On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:08:03PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > robert. we salute you! > > and promise to never, ever upset you : ) I'm reminded of South Park, specifically the ep "Scott Tenorman Must Die" (the one featuring Radiohead: see, almost very nearly within half a mile of being on topic!), at this point... mainly for the line at the end, from Stan I think - "Dude, remind me to *never, ever* piss Cartman off..." I'm not sure how this quite applies to the list. OK, one *can* wire ethernet up to 240V (see "Etherkillers" - strongly not recommended, but a classic running sysadmin joke), but not as far as I'm aware over the network. - --- OK, now off on a tangent. Firstly, has anyone heard the Sonic Mook Experiment "Future Rock'n'Roll" compilation? It looks pretty interesting, but I'm not quite sure and would be interested in the opinions of the list on this... Secondly, thanks to everyone who wished me luck with my exams. The results were published today, and I got an (*extremely* unexpected) first-class honours. (For Americans: top class of degree - "Magna cum Laude", I think, but I could be wrong) Thank you, Andrew - -- "Trust me. | adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) Believe me. | http://wwww.lexical.org.uk/ It's all in the art... | of stopping! - Wire, "In the Art of Stopping" ('Read and Burn 01') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:21:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Morgan Fisher > but instead the work of none other than experimental musician, > >neo glam pop star, guru devotee, and curator of arguably rocks wackiest > >andb most original compilation album, Miniatures [Blueprint BP159CD], > >Morgan Fisher. > > ...former member of Mott The Hoople...hence the 'neo-glam pop star' > thing...!!!!! > > ian.s.j. always thought that mott the hoople had the best set of pre-punk names. apart from fisher, there were of course, buffin and overend watts. no wonder poor mick ralphs left - to be replaced by ariel bender (as he was christened luther grosvenor, he was surely a man who didn't need to change his name though!) keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:19:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: Thread Hijack (was Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP) In a message dated 6/12/02 10:11:26 AM Central Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > mainly for the line at the > end, from Stan I think - "Dude, remind me to *never, ever* piss Cartman > off..." > er...*ehem*...except that i am not jewish or fat....and i would never wear a stupid sock hat such as that....thank you very much...lol ....: ) RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:17:48 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clint Ruin & Lydia Lunch In a message dated 6/12/02 10:10:17 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > saw clint ruin join soft cell on stage in the early 80's for a mental > version of 'ghost rider', where they chased each other round the stage for > some considerable time. almond then composed himself - and somehow got his > breath back enough to croon the 'say hello, wave goodbye' finale. > > excellent!!! > yeah yeah yeah...keep rubbing it in Keith...you lucky dog...being able to say that you have seen soft cell...one of my favorites of all time!...i hate living in the US most of the time....sigh... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:24:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. In a message dated 6/12/02 10:01:40 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > robert. we salute you!>>> thank you, thank you...really it was nothing....(bowing)....you are so kind... > > and promise to never, ever upset you >>>> > > now remember, i charge a modest fee for curses upon evil girlfriends/wives > who cheat or run out...back stabbing friends and co-workers...slave driving > bosses...and unruly children....my mojo is not limited to smelly frenchmen > who play football... > > RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:24:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. Keith, << so who's gonna win it then - brazil? spain? italy (providing they qualify!), portugal?<< Notwithstanding their vast capacity for bottling it, I've been tipping Spain from the start. There are signs that the enormous individual talent of the squad is finally working as a team. Italy have looked both brilliant and rubbish. So no change there then. Portugal have made hard work of a soft group. Brazil, I suspect, are flattering to deceive. Likewise Germany. England have a lot of parallels with 66 - struggled to score early on; pivotal figure is becoming a young defender (Moore/Ferdinand); knocked out the Argies; ginger short-arsed Lancastrian in midfield (Ball/Scholes). Slap-head hard man has behaved himself (Stiles/Mills). Now we need the estabilshed centre-forward to be replaced by a young unknown who has just come into the team(Hurst for Greaves in 66). So Vassell in for Heskey, PLEASE!!!! However I don't think we've got enough gas in the tank. the conditions don't suit us (too hot & sticky) though there could be more surprises in store. Say, for example, Brazil don't get to the quarter-finals (like in 66!) >>i'm tempted to go for a complete dark horse here - croatia anybody??? >> In yer dreams!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:26:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Thread Hijack (was Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP) << The results were published today, and I got an (*extremely* unexpected) first-class honours. >> Swot. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:50:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. > << so who's gonna win it then - brazil? spain? italy (providing they > qualify!), portugal?<< > mark: > Notwithstanding their vast capacity for bottling it, I've been tipping Spain > from the start. There are signs that the enormous individual talent of the > squad is finally working as a team. totally agree. i've fancied them too. i'm still concerned they might bottle it though. > Italy have looked both brilliant and rubbish. So no change there then. > Portugal have made hard work of a soft group. Brazil, I suspect, are > flattering to deceive. Likewise Germany. totally agree again. > England have a lot of parallels with 66 - struggled to score early on; > pivotal figure is becoming a young defender (Moore/Ferdinand); ferdinand has been a revelation. especially today in an otherwise lack-lustre english team. knocked out. > the Argies; ginger short-arsed Lancastrian in midfield (Ball/Scholes). ah! 'ballie'. still my favourite all-time footballer (i mean this. i stopped supporting everton the day they sold him). couldn't believe it when sanjeev bhaskar put him in 'room 101'! > Slap-head hard man has behaved himself (Stiles/Mills). SO FAR ; ) > Now we need the > estabilshed centre-forward to be replaced by a young unknown who has just > come into the team(Hurst for Greaves in 66). So Vassell in for Heskey, > PLEASE!!!! > or owen - another one flattering to decieve i think. > However I don't think we've got enough gas in the tank. the conditions don't > suit us (too hot & sticky) though there could be more surprises in store. > Say, for example, Brazil don't get to the quarter-finals (like in 66!) > > >>i'm tempted to go for a complete dark horse here - croatia anybody??? >> > > In yer dreams!! yeah. i got a similar reaction when i tipped the unseeded ivanisavich when he reached the last 16 at wimbledon last year though. (just need to learn how to spell his name now!) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:51:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: Thread Hijack (was Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP) > << The results were published today, and I got an (*extremely* unexpected) > first-class honours. >> > > Swot. > > Mark ;-) yeah. and he didn't get the wire/lines connection did he ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:49:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Specially for Robert... A special version of England's Euro 96 song... LES TROIS LIONS They're going home, They're going home, They're going... The French are going home [x2] Isn't it great, thank God it's true. Although they missed Zizou, It won't do. They're not through. The Froggies went and threw it away. At the end of the day They forgot how to play Now we're all singing... Not a single goal - Frank Leboeuf still moaning. Lemerre on the dole, No more Gallic groaning. All of your taunts, all of your jeers, But who is staying here? You were sh*te, And it's clear. There's no use blaming The referee, Or the pitch, or Henry, Or Zidane's dodgy knee, You're just plain rubbish. Bunch of whingeing tw*ts , Team of graceless losers, Treze-goal my a*se, Heading down the boozer. ("And here's Rommedahl for Denmark, Rommedahl.. yes! And Denmark lead the World Champions.... Oh, a dangerous looking attack here for Senegal, great ball to Diop, who scores! The holders are staring opening day defeat in the face... Tomasson for Denmark. Can he finish it off here? He can. It's Denmark 2 France 0, and the French are going home...) Their mascot's a hen, They elected Le Pen. They're going home, They're going home, They're going... The French are going home] x2 and continue. Not a single goal - Frank Leboeuf still moaning. Lemerre on the dole, No more Gallic groaning. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:59:29 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. << ferdinand has been a revelation. especially today in an otherwise lack-lustre english team. knocked out.<< No revelation here. He's been our best player by some distance this season. I'd expect riots in Leeds if he's sold (which ain't going to happen - he's still got four years of a contract to run and he'll be worth even more in 2 years time). He looks like a bargain at #18m. >>ah! 'ballie'. still my favourite all-time footballer (i mean this. i stopped supporting everton the day they sold him). couldn't believe it when sanjeev bhaskar put him in 'room 101'!<< Never forget where he came from. Blackpool ;-) > Slap-head hard man has behaved himself (Stiles/Mills). SO FAR ; )<< Oh give him a break! Don't say you wouldn't have kicked Criag Bellamy! >>or owen - another one flattering to decieve i think.<< Maybe. Though he does strike fear into opponents - and like Beckham he is a big game player. Now's the time for him to start firing... >> yeah. i got a similar reaction when i tipped the unseeded ivanisavich when he reached the last 16 at wimbledon last year though. (just need to learn how to spell his name now!) >> I thought Goran would win that too - he was on such a roll.... But seriously the Croats peaked in 98 when they pulverised the Germans on the way to the semis ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:07:14 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it ain't over till Brando sings Anyone tried the Four World Film Review. No matches for The Conversation, but a load for Apocalypse Now... Vietnam, madness, mind fork. Fat Brando. The horror. Doors, Duvall, danger, darkness. War is, like, hell. Nightmare in the jungle. Makes war look sexy. Most beautiful nightmare ever. Napalm smells like victory. Best `Nam film ever. Sheen, Coppola: emotional breakdowns. Nutboy slices mumbling baldy. Gun toters have fun. Drugged Yanks napalm villages. Wiry Martin, chunky Marlon. Appendix replacement operation fails. Helicopters, Wagner and napalm. Brilliant, sweaty bloody mess. Arse-numbing. Arty. Stupid. 'Nam: place to surf. And apparently Citizen Kane is desc. as 'long, pointless, um...Rosebud'! Keith http://www.fwfr.com/display.asp?ID=610 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight To: wire-news Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it ain't over till Brando sings > I went to see Apocalypse Now Redux a couple of weeks ago. Can't say the > additions did much for me but seeing it again in a cinema really brought > home why I've regarded it as a great film since the day I first saw it > (which I can even recall - 31/12/79!). It's more ambitious than any film > made subsequently and probably more ambitious than any other film made in > the second half of the twentieth century with the exception of '2001'. It's > so ambitious it's almost obscene - the scene when the patrol boat first meet > up with Kilgore's troops, for example, is just breathtakingly choreographed, > choppers coming in from all directions as the boat pulls up to the beach, > explosions going off, Coppola himself directing the action on camera. Now > they'd digitalise much of it but there's a real thrill in knowing that this > was all arranged for our amusement, even as one gasps inwardly at the sheer > expense (especially when one knows the background to the making of it). The > Valkure scene really got me going as well despite knowing it really well - > it's completely visceral cinema. And the narration - surely the most witty > and quotable in cinema. There are many things wrong with the film but while > watching it I'll forgive them all (until the last 20 minutes at least). > It's Coppola's masterpiece despite the Conversation (which *is* magnificent > but a chamber piece compared to this). > > another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:02:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Thread Hijack (was Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP) << yeah. and he didn't get the wire/lines connection did he ; ) >> Exactly. Too busy with his head in a text book if you ask me, rather than using his brainpower on something worthwhile like music trivia! Mark (who got a 2.2 and was never likely to get anything else, quite honestly!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:19:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. > > Slap-head hard man has behaved himself (Stiles/Mills). > > SO FAR ; )<< > > Oh give him a break! Don't say you wouldn't have kicked Criag Bellamy! i just remember reading an interview with him last season, saying how he'd learnt his lesson and was gonna behave himself and then next time i saw him kicking holes in someone and getting sent off. i tell you. the man's a timebomb waiting to go off!!! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:20:48 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. > besides, i spent all of my mojo power on France..... Are you for hire Robert? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:26:26 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. << i just remember reading an interview with him last season, saying how he'd learnt his lesson and was gonna behave himself and then next time i saw him kicking holes in someone and getting sent off.<< He only got sent off twice, in both cases justifiable. Once for kicking the ball at Ashley Cole, whgo was lying on the floor moaning after performing a dive worthy of Greg Louganis, for the third time in the game. Secondly for kicking Craig Bellamy, for which you should be awarded an extra goal. >>i tell you. the man's a timebomb waiting to go off!!! >> Nah, he's a changed man. And a better right-back than the Plank sisters. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:57:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Highest LOW! > keith > np bowie - heathen So how is the album keith? I was curious to know if collaborating with Visconti would make for something interesting again. Just got Low on cd myself. I bought it when it was released together with Lou Reed's R&R Animal. Because I played them so often I kinda saw them as twin albums eversince. Like Low better though. Hadn't heared it in ages and it sounds so fresh to me now. Wonderfull wonderfull album full of energy. Indeed sounds like a new career in a new Town. Iggy and Eno singing background vox [Eno doing so much more of course]. You can hear the Krautrock oozing out of the disk. Pop and film-music. What a gift! Must've been an inspiration to Wire too... it seems rather close to 154! [especially the Lewis-sung bits] Surely number one in my Great Alltime Pan-European top 10! Wich albums would have to be in there next I wonder... some Tuxedo Moon, perhaps Minimal Compact [extending Europe with Israel - HEY, it works for the Eurovision Song Contest!] Who else? Kevin Coyne? Stranglers, because of their french adventures? Help me out here... Bart [gonna get me the other 2 berlin albums as well] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:11:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it ain't over till Brando sings > Anyone tried the Four World Film Review. No matches for The Conversation, > but a load for Apocalypse Now... Hahahahahaha... hilarious! Bart I-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:19:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. > > besides, i spent all of my mojo power on France..... > > > Are you for hire Robert? ;-) > > Bart i'm first! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:31:10 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] another the R&B 01 review Actually, 'tis the season for my friends to review R&B 01: former Idealcopyist Jeffrey Norman has his say at -- follow the reviews link, where Jeff's R&B take is currently the featured review. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:50:31 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Afghan Agfa So I was listening to R&B and was wondering about 'Agfers..' is it an anagram or slang word? Or is it a made up 'nonsense' word that sounds cool? Agfa Kodak photography, film, reportage continual war in Afghanistan reflections thereof? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:29:03 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Moral Dial: A lot of it had turned ugly. Have you seen the Wim Witless film "Wings Of Exact Opposite" (1927)? Some beautiful music for saying nothing by Jurgen Vapor. You don't have a copy of that sound as he was at the center of the "plot." One of the threads was able to work effectively, opposed to the sporadic efficiency of the whole of the "Ideal hospital machinery", where things are most certainly not in perfect working order! It's a chain of thought but you get to the point where you're saying nothing. The series was put on hold. UK Resident, however, promised, that he could work around missing secondhand ballet, so, we'll have to wait and see? To avoid confusion spread by vicarsson the World chanced Wire track on desiring-production CD. Then Kevin interviewed the World, but Graham Lewis was unaware of these tragic New Clothes. I don't think he mentioned this idea: vicars and their sons "liberation" from structures of power and dominance. Throwing the baby was not an order. Change is inevitable. And if you actually read the lies about victory in the context of ringing up to complain, it could be read equally as a contradiction of nuclear war which makes all this seem rather marvellous. "I feel this definitive version presents its theme in a broader, more off topic way," he said. "It is less trying to be a genre war, and more tries to express its theme - our most essential relationship to the strata that shut down some hope of bringing about a kind of armageddon reflected in art." Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B 01 review Pretty cool! I particularly like the 'Gallon of gasoline and a pickaxe' metaphor. Very appropriate!! - --- Miles Goosens wrote: > My friend Dean Carlson has an entertaining and > thoughtful (IMO, anyway) go > at R&B 01: > > http://www.fckdncrlsn.com/columns/2002_0612.shtml ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:40:49 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: Thread Hijack (was Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP) In a message dated 12/06/2002 16:30:30 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > The results were published today, and I got an (*extremely* unexpected) > first-class honours. >> > > Swot. > And double swot....Well done that man. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Afghan Agfa - --- Bill Hick wrote: > So I was listening to R&B and was wondering about > 'Agfers.. ... > photography, film, reportage > > continual war in Afghanistan I was looking at the lyrics on Craig's web page and thought the same thing. "Nest in a bird, an enemy flew in" = the Twin Towers? "cheering of mothers and daughters" and "change in the air" = new government in Afghanistan? "A bounty is posted" for bin Laden? "Conditions: no quarter" = Bush condemning nations harboring terrorists? I was going through my old emails and found one (pre-9/11) from Colin and Malka. It was a petition condemning the treatment of women in Afghanistan. The lyrics of Agfers seem to be the work of Graham, but I suspect that the sentiment was shared by everyone in the band. NP - Anton Webern - Complete Works (over 40 tracks on CD #1!) ===== Andrew Westmeyer anw7pima@yahoo.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:19:46 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] swot's that? >> Swot. >> > > And double swot....Well done that man. > Chris I had to look that one up. [Mid-19th century. Originally a Scottish variant of sweat.] Ahaaa... a comment about his B.O. Okidoki... Bart II:-/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:12:59 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] swot's that? On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 11:19:46PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > >> Swot. > > And double swot....Well done that man. > > Chris Thanks. :) > I had to look that one up. > > [Mid-19th century. Originally a Scottish variant of sweat.] > > Ahaaa... a comment about his B.O. Okidoki... Whaaaaaaaaaa? Everyone's *picking* on me, miss! (Incidentally, it means smart-alec with overtones of teacher's pet...) Andrew - -- "Hey, wait, I've got a real complaint; forever in debt to your priceless advice." - Nirvana, "Heart-Shaped Box" ('In Utero') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:44:38 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Specially for Robert... In a message dated 6/12/02 10:49:01 AM Central Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > A special version of England's Euro 96 song... > > > > LES TROIS LIONS > > They're going home, > They're going home, > They're going... > The French are going home [x2] > > > Isn't it great, thank God it's true. > Although they missed Zizou, > It won't do. > They're not through. > The Froggies went and threw it away. > At the end of the day > They forgot how to play > Now we're all singing... > > > Not a single goal - > Frank Leboeuf still moaning. > Lemerre on the dole, > No more Gallic groaning. > > > All of your taunts, all of your jeers, > But who is staying here? > You were sh*te, > And it's clear. > There's no use blaming > The referee, > Or the pitch, or Henry, > Or Zidane's dodgy knee, > You're just plain rubbish. > > > Bunch of whingeing tw*ts , > Team of graceless losers, > Treze-goal my a*se, > Heading down the boozer. > > > ("And here's Rommedahl for Denmark, Rommedahl.. yes! And Denmark lead > the > World Champions.... Oh, a dangerous looking attack here for Senegal, > great > ball to Diop, who scores! The holders are staring opening day defeat in > the > face... Tomasson for Denmark. Can he finish it off here? He can. It's > Denmark 2 France 0, and the French are going home...) > > > Their mascot's a hen, > They elected Le Pen. > > > They're going home, > They're going home, > They're going... > The French are going home] x2 and continue. > > > Not a single goal - > Frank Leboeuf still moaning. > Lemerre on the dole, > No more Gallic groaning. > HEY! THANKS MARK!!! i've been humming this all day!.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:17:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WORLD CUP...ahhh! a lovely day.. me > << i just remember reading an interview with him last season, saying how he'd > learnt his lesson and was gonna behave himself and then next time i saw him > kicking holes in someone and getting sent off.<< > mark > He only got sent off twice, in both cases justifiable. > > Once for kicking the ball at Ashley Cole, whgo was lying on the floor moaning > after performing a dive worthy of Greg Louganis, for the third time in the > game. Secondly for kicking Craig Bellamy, for which you should be awarded an > extra goal. you don't like him do you! (and he's one of the only decent players we've got in wales!) > >>i tell you. the man's a timebomb waiting to go off!!! >> > > Nah, he's a changed man. we'll see. red card 33rd minute in the denmark match. robert'll sort it for me ; ) >And a better right-back than the Plank sisters. trivia. gary neville - son of neville neville (honestly) and a man who was supposedly good enough to be a professional cricketer - was once hit for 6 sixes in an over by essex captain ronnie irani. brother phil, of course, was boris karloffs stand in... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:22:43 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Miniatures For those of you interested here follows the tracklist of Morgan Fisher's [1 minute] Miniatures. The simple concept of limiting the artists by giving them only one minute works really well. A feast of beens, has-beens and never-were-in-the-first-places. My faves? The Residents, Neil Innes And Son, John Peel, Andy Partridge , Dave Vanian & Kevin Coyne [about himself, James Joyce & Mark Rothko]. Shame Eno is not there somewehere. 7 Bum Love - Ollie Halsall And John Halsey 7 We're A Happy Family/Bali Ha'l - The Residents 7 The Wreck Of The Hesperus - Roger McGough 7 Green And Pleasant - Morgan Fisher 7 Mine Tonight - John Otway 7 My Way - Pete Challis And Phil Diplock 7 Rangers In The Nightst - Robert Wyatt 7 Opus 5 - Stinky Winkles 7 Body Language - Mary Longford 7 Andy the Dentist - Andy "Thunderclap" Newman 7 Wagner's Ring In One Minute - David Bedford [Darn! I could have spared me a lotta time here!] 7 The Entire Works Of Henry Cow - Fred Firth 7 Look Beneath The Sea - Maggie Nicols 7 Week-End - Joseph Racaille 7 With Wings Pressed Back - The Work 7 Cum On Feel The Noize - Neil Innes And Son 7 Toscany in Blue (Last Minute) - Herbert Distel 7 An End To The Matter - Lol Coxhill 7 One Minute In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich - Ken Ellis 7 Alice - Steve Miller 7 John Peel Sings The Blues Badly - Norman Lovett 7 Serrons Nous Les Coudes - Patrick Portella 7 Sounds That Saved My Life (Homage To K.S.) - George Melly 7 Miniature - Robert Fripp 7 The History Of Rock 'N' Roll - Andy Partridge (XTC) 7 Breather - Phantom Captain 7 Enterbrain Exit - Ron Geesin 7 An Imaginary Orchestra - Alejandro Viqao 7 Stop The Music For A Minute - Quentin Crisp 7 Tetrad - Simon Desorgher 7 Sweetest Love (Lament After A Broken Sashchord On A Theme Of John Donne) - Ralph Steadman 7 Tipperary - R.D. Laing And Son 7 Beach Double - Trevor Wishart 7 Schne De Ballet - John White 7 Brooch Boat - Ivor Cutler 7 Do Tell Us - Hector Zazou 7 A Miniaturisation Of Bartok's Sonata For 2 Pianos & Percussion (3rd Movement) - Michael Bass And Ellen Tenenbaum 7 A Swift One - Martin Chambers (The Pretenders) 7 Refreshment Break - Bob Cobbing And Henri Chopin 7 Night Touch - Dave Vanian (The Damned) 7 Racing Poodles - Metabolist 7 After Mendelssohn - Gavin Bryars 7 Paint It Black - 1/2 Japanese 7 Arthur's Treat - Simon Jeffes (Penguin Cafe Orchestra) 7 Talking World War III Blues - Mark Perry 7 89-90-91-92 - Michael Nyman 7 Index Of Ends - David Cunningham (Flying Lizards) 7 James, Mark & Me (In The Manner Of Tom Waits) - Kevin Coyne 7 Hep! - Etron Fou Leloublan 7 The Minute Warp - Neil Oram And Ken Cambell And The Science Fiction Theatre Of Liverpool 7 Chorate From Beethoven's 9th Symphony - Pete Seeger Extra tracks on the CD 7 One Minute Silence - No Artists 7 The Miniatures Miniature - All Artists sleeve: http://freespace.virgin.net/colin.baillie/solo/vanian.html Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:26:25 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Specially for Robert... Mark, might I add: >> Their mascot's a hen, >> They elected Le Pen. He's such a Cock au Vin! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:37:04 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lippo swotty >>>> Swot. >> I had to look that one up. >> [Mid-19th century. Originally a Scottish variant of sweat.] >> Ahaaa... a comment about his B.O. > (Incidentally, it means smart-alec with overtones of teacher's pet...) > Andrew I knew that.............. you swotty smart-alec! ;o) Cheers, Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #194 *******************************