From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #184 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 7 2002 Volume 05 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Enough Hat Speak to make a Wise Man Hum! ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: RE: AW: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here! [Eardrumbuz@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #181 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: AW: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here! [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: AW: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here! [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:20:25 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Enough Hat Speak to make a Wise Man Hum! Andrew asked the improbababble >>>Yeah. Name a band who consistently have cleverer lyrics than Wire, then. :) Oasis Andrew's relative dimensions were faced >>>Wire being great doesn't somehow magically invalidate the merit of everything else. I have time in my life for more dimensions. Wire magic? dimensions in time for more life great being everything ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:38:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punx No Ded Dad (Goal!!!!!) << Kicker: Is the world cup a glossy bell before it is struck? >> No! It's a solid lump of metal and it's bloody heavy. No way could it become either a bell or a cup as it is actually a statue. It could be quite effective if used to strike a bell. However the original Jules Rimet trophy did actually have a cup arrangement at the top. But I doubt if it would have sounded bell-like if struck. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:19:04 +0200 From: "frederik jensen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... hi list... im a dane, living in denmark... unfortunately i cannot confirm the rumour about "being 24" in order to marry whomever one loves when both parties are not danish citizens. i have heard something like that, unfortunately. actually i thought it was an idea which _was_ meant to become a law, eventually. but i dont think it has happened yet... of course it is a quite absurd policy. i think generally that the problem is that we (in denmark) in fact _do_ want to reduce the amount of "newdanes", without being overly explicit unfair... and what policy should one adopt without being unfair, since the very outset is to make a distinction between "extra" people we would like to in the country, and those we dont? *** so, that being the issue, how do your countries deal with this question? all acceptance, or rationalizing your way to a distinction? remember: of course it is a quite absurd policy... *** "babettes feast" was by the dane gabriel axel, a francophile. the best films are those that get inside the outer spectacle == action(!), which is why "babettes feast" works, i guess. carl th. dreyer was also a danish filmmaker. the best. in all the world. well, being a dane, with the limited imagination the rest of the world seems to allow the danish people to have, perhaps i have to say that dreyer was "_the best filmmaker in the universe_"!! *** as for trier, and his films the "element of crime" (his first full length film) compared to "the idiots" (his dogma film), certainly are very different. but then, would you expect someone growing older making the same films as they were when they were in their twenties? apart from wire, of course, who seems determined to live more than one lifecycle during their existence? :) damn! not lurking anymore, frederik jensen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:45:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Enough Hat Speak to make a Wise Man Hum! << Andrew asked the improbababble >>>Yeah. Name a band who consistently have cleverer lyrics than Wire, then. :) >> Well, the various works of Mr Devoto come pretty close. Lewis v Devoto. Discuss. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:54:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Everything's Going to be Nice (Beuys Harvests Tulips) >>Some tracks have been composed on the hardrive which is the opposite to how a rock band would normally approach things!<< Partly because technology has only just reached a point where recording acoustic instruuments successfully on to a computer has become possible. It's pretty easy to record digital-to-digital, but once you start adding drum kits to the process it gets messy. >>It's akin to remixing a track without having an original mix to refer to. The tracks on RnB01, and for that matter those on Bastard and It-ness, make a mockery of the notion that there is any clear dividing line between techno/dance and rock/pop and experimentation (if there ever was?).<< See above. It's just harder to capture a "rock" band in a digital studio than it is on to analogue tape, especially if the band is playing "live" via amps. New recording methods are the nearest thing to a revolution inasmuch as home recordings can now sound very professional providing you stick largely to virtual/keyboard sounds. Line rather than Mic inputs; MIDI etc. Hence the propensity towards either techno/dance/ambient/electronica for those recording digitally. Wire are among the first bands to do "rock" in this way. I'd also point at Silo as providing the spark for Colin's philosophical reinvention of recoirding Wire. << EGL: The other ones you mention are all texts that I've written and inevitably it goes back to private obsessions really. Perhaps I once wanted to be a war correspondent. >> A theme evident in Agfers, of course. Often wondered why Reuters didn't get the Pink Flag treatment in 2000. Seemed an obvious one to rework/minimalise. And dead shouty. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:55:32 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re:radio shite OT >live review of fisherspoon[er] describes their version of 'the 15th' as >gorgeous... I bought their CD and it's the best thing on it. Their live show got a trashing in last weekend's papers - emperor's new clothes stuff. >Isn't it about time that we got a national radio station that plays listenable >music intelligently programmed by people who know what they're doing instead >of the usual procession of witless media whore bozos? More like this instead >of endless doses of sugar coated tooth rot corporate moneymuzak shite & chummy >nothing moronchat? Right on the nail. I'd advocate a policy of phoning, emailing and writing to the BBC to moan about the tepidity of their musical output - after all, we (UK residents) pay for it via govt subsidy and license fee. Maybe I am some sort of Beatrice and Sidney Webb socialist throwback, but I get pretty upset when I see producers and presenters who are paid out of the public purse showing themselves to be, shall we say, highly susceptible to commercial pressures and temptations in their programming. Worse than that, some of the current DJ crop seem not interested in music at all - just like Travis and Edmonds and all the other (rightly) reviled daytime gits of the 70s/80s. So next time you hear an advertisment for EMI dressed up as a Radio one `feature', ring up and complain. Eventually, it will make a difference. Just glanced at the just-arrived digest and see we are now on to nuclear war which makes all this seem rather trivial. Ringing up to complain never stopped a war, as far as I know. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:26:44 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... >He later on shoot the rather weak "House of the Spirits". I disagree - liked that movie a lot. Meryl Streep is one of the best actresses out there. The next day after watching HotS we rented that Madonna movie about Argentina. Pretty much it was dealing with the same topic as HotS but all it could do for me was put me to good sleep. And singing was just awful. Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:59:09 +0100 From: "Bob Swan" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On a Mission to Never Agree I'd agree about The Argument which I regard as their best album to date. I've found it pays to give their stuff a chance to grow on you - but if you aren't getting anything from this album after say 5 listens, I'd forget about them. The only problem with starting at the end and working back is that you're going to regress - maybe if you like The Argument you should jump back to the beginning - 13 Songs is a compilation CD of the first 2 eps from the late 80's. As Paul rightly says, they exercise a pretty admirable pricing policy which means none of their stuff is expensive - $8.00 is about the norm. BobS - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco To: Sent: 05 June 2002 00:38 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On a Mission to Never Agree > > Which albums/songs > >do you recommend? I'm sure I'll be able to find them on WinMX etc... > > > > Since it kind of sounds like you might not be a fan of their early > stuff, why not start with their latest CD "The Argument" and work back > from there? The Argument is pretty amazing, IMHO. > > I will admit that I only own their later CDs, not their early ones, so > I might not be the best authority for this. They're all on the list to > pick up soon. (^_^) > > The nice thing about Fugazi is that all of their CDs are in print from > their record label, Dischord, at very reasonable prices: > http://www.dischord.com > > Dischord even prints their price on the back of all their CDs with > instructions on how to order it directly from them if your local CD > store is charging too much. (This goes for all bands Dischord > represents - not just Fugazi.) > > I've heard about this - they call it "ethics" or something. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:05:59 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:radio shite OT Howard, << Worse than that, some of the current DJ crop seem not interested in music at all - just like Travis and Edmonds and all the other (rightly) reviled daytime gits of the 70s/80s. >> How ironic that Travis was the buffoon playing the bland records in the 70s. Now Travis actually makes the bland records.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:53:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... > I didn't like Dancer in the Dark either, nor Breaking the Waves. hey. he had bolan on the soundtrack. that's good enough for me ; ) seriously though, i thought it was an ambitious if flawed film. it was *potentially* great, but i seem to recall thinking that the final third let it down - a common fault i find, even in the rare decent hollywood blockbuster. it was also true of the mighty coen bros last effort, 'the man who wasn't there'. ok they eventually tied up all the loose ends but why they wanted the final 20 mins i do not know. up to that point, i'd just been blown away... > melodramatic side of von Trier don't interest me, but if you haven't seen > the Idiots, this is something else all together. Funny, edgy and > anarchistic! > Bart you've talked me into it. i'll try and get to watch it... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:00:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lager Louts' Third Language tucked into Briefcases? > "I see your autosuggestion psychology, elimination policy > A military-industrial illusion of democracy..." > - Primal Scream, 'Swastika Eyes' ("Xtrmntr") I love all sorts of music - for different reasons - but can i just say that i find this track (and 'kowalski' a few yrs earlier) genuinely EXCITING. And as much as I like, say, 'Velocity Girl' or 'Loaded', I wouldn't have thought I'd ever find Primal Scream *exciting*... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:05:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Brit] Popscene > Keith: > > OK. Even as I write I am hanging my head in shame. I like 'Standing on the > > Shoulder...'. It's OK...I can hear the tumbleweed blowing and I know what it > > feels like to be the loneliest man in the world, but it's...OK...I'll be > > alright. > > > Me and my BIG mouth! :-/ > > Bart YES. IT'S ALL YOUR BLOODY FAULT ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:33:26 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:radio shite OT In a message dated 06/06/02 19:06:47 GMT Daylight Time, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: > >live review of fisherspoon[er] describes their version of 'the 15th' as > >gorgeous... > > I bought their CD and it's the best thing on it. Their live show got a > trashing in last weekend's papers - emperor's new clothes stuff. > ///notice every review of their album or a gig picks out the 15th as a highpoint. maybe the next single? maybe colin finally gets that elusive hit single? interesting thought , eh? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:41:48 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #181 > >> BTW, I bet the majority on this list have Oasis records > >>in their collection, > >> I know I do. > > > >I think it's very brave of you to admit to owning > >anything by them. > michael said > Well, my sentiments as well, but I would guess that at > least w/ the active members of this list he's right. I > mean, it was hardly a shock to learn that Keith likes > Oasis. ;) come on michael. i don't sit and listen to my westlife collection all day you know ; ) seriously though, of course i was gonna like the *early* oasis at least. the bolan swagger was everywhere. keith np ronnie & clyde - in glorious black & blue 'new york london paris munich everybody's talking about mmmm pop muzik' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:43:04 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [Fireparty] Another one bites the dust... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: [Fireparty] Another one bites the dust... > Fire Party - http://www.beefheart.com/ > > This just in from AP, another sad note, another one gone: > > > DEE DEE RAMONE FOUND DEAD > > .c The Associated Press > LOS ANGELES (AP) - Dee Dee Ramone, a founding member of the pioneer punk band > the Ramones, was found dead of a possible drug overdose in his Hollywood > home, the coroner's office said Thursday. He was 50. > Ramone, whose real name was Douglas Glenn Colvin, was found dead on the couch > by his wife when she returned home at 8:25 p.m. Wednesday, said Craig Harvey, > operations chief for the coroner's office. Paramedics were called and he was > declared dead at 8:40 p.m. > ``The investigator noted drug paraphernalia, including a single syringe on > the kitchen counter, and we are handing it as a possible accidental > overdose,'' Harvey said. An autopsy was planned later Thursday. > The death comes 11 weeks after the band was celebrated with induction into > the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. > ``I'd like to congratulate myself, and thank myself, and give myself a big > pat on the back,'' Ramone joked at the time. ``Thank you, Dee Dee, you're > very wonderful.'' > He had often feuded with his fellow band members, eventually quiting the > group in the late '80s to launch a career as a rapper under the name Dee Dee > King. > Lead singer Joey Ramone, born Jeffrey Hyman, died in April of last year of > lymphoma, a form of cancer. He was 49. The other two members are Johnny and > Tommy Ramone; the four adopted the common last name after forming the band in > 1974 in New York City. > The Ramones' best-known songs reflected their twisted teen years in Queens: > ``Beat on the Brat,'' ``I Wanna Be Sedated,'' ``Now I Wanna Sniff Some > Glue,'' ``Teenage Lobotomy,'' ``Sheena Is a Punk Rocker.'' > Dee Dee Ramone was one of the band's major songwriters, and among his better > known songs was ``Chinese Rock'' - a tale of going on the street to score > heroin, co-written with punk runk icon and overdose victim Johnny Thunders. > Despite their influence and critical acclaim, though, the Ramones never > cracked the Top 40. > While British bands such as the Sex Pistols and Clash received the media > attention once punk rock exploded, both were schooled by the Ramones' tour of > England that began on the U.S. Bicentennial - July 4, 1976. > ``They're the daddy punk group of all time,'' Joe Strummer, lead singer of > the Clash, once told Spin magazine. > Dee Dee Ramone was the band's bassist. The Ramones recorded their first album > in February 1976. The band then earned a loyal cult following with a > seemingly endless string of tours where they would crank out 30 songs in 90 > minutes. > The Ramones disbanded in 1996 after a tour that followed their final studio > album, ``Adios Amigos.'' A live farewell tour album, ``We're Outta Here!'', > was released in 1997. > The coroner's office did not say what drug was suspected of causing Ramone's > death. In his autobiography, ``Lobotomy: Surviving the Ramones,'' he had > written of his struggle with drug and alcohol abuse. > Associated Press Writer Larry McShane in New York contributed to this report. > > > 06/06/02 14:42 EDT > > Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news > report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed > without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active > hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. > > -- > This message is from the fireparty@beefheart.com mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" in the subject (without > the inverted commas) to fireparty-request@beefheart.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #181 - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > >From: giluz > >> BTW, I bet the majority on this list have Oasis > records > >>in their collection, > >> I know I do. WELL YOU can count me out,don't like oasis myself....Ari > > > >I think it's very brave of you to admit to owning > >anything by them. > > Well, my sentiments as well, but I would guess that > at > least w/ the active members of this list he's right. > I > mean, it was hardly a shock to learn that Keith > likes > Oasis. ;) > > It continues to be true that for most here Wire is > about > as far from the mainstream as they get. This still, > after > several years here, surprises me somewhat. > > Michael Flaherty ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:30:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #181 << > It continues to be true that for most here Wire is about as far from the mainstream as they get. This still, after several years here, surprises me somewhat. >> Just as surprising as the number of Wire fans here who turn their noses up at anything vaguely commercial or successful in the mainstream. I'd have thought Wire covers most bases from the extreme avant-garde to extremely tuneful pop, and that most listers' record collections would roughly follow the same route map. But taste seems more polarised, oddly.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] Re ; Another one bites the dust... > > DEE DEE RAMONE FOUND DEAD It's not really a surprise. I just read 'Poison Heart' and sounds like he was a feckin maniac... The Ramones reissues are pretty good though...first three cds. Cheers, Billy ===== /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 02:46:57 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... on 06/06/02 07:19, frederik jensen at frederik_jensen@get2net.dk wrote: > as for trier, and his films the "element of crime" (his first full length > film) compared to "the idiots" (his dogma film), certainly are very different. > but then, would you expect someone growing older making the same films as they > were when they were in their twenties? No, I totally respect his approach to films and his ability to change. I just don't like it. His last films annoyed me while his earlier filled me with awe. 'Europa' (or 'Zentropa', it depends where you're from) is one of the most perfect films ever made. So it's not the change that bothers me, but the direction of that change. Carl Dreyer was indeed one of the great directors. His 'passion of Joan of Ark' is one of the masterpieces of the silent film. Cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:58:15 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Brit] Popscene me ranting... ><< i know, but fucking hell, Oasis????? i'm hardly Mr.Avant-Garde and >having a healthy supply of Quo LP's probably doesnt help, but... >i really would not have betted on the majority of IC having any Oasis OR >Blur stuff in their racks, honest...and thats why i'm not a betting man... > >> MarkB returning fire... >C'mon, it did seem quite exciting to have loads of new guitar pop bands - not for me it didn't, at the height of 'Cool Britannia', i was busy being immersed in the 'New Americana', eg, Palace/Will Oldham, Smog, Tortoise, the continued brilliance of Guided By Voices, Nirvana, *most* Albini related product (as artist or engineer), Pavement (sorry Paul...), Sebadoh, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, all this stuff completely blew the whole Oasis v Blur thing into little tiny atoms as far as i was concerned...and to prove my point... >even if many of them were shite (Hello Cast! Hi Sleeper! Yo Kula Shaker!). well yes... >Certainly got me going to a lot more gigs than in the previous couple of >years. There's also an element of checking out new bands to see if their >albums turn out any good - so you'll find Strokes and White Stripes albums >here for the same reason as you'll find Oasis albums. understood, but maybe i just like the taste of Yank ass... ;-/ once again, gimme the Strokes and Stripes over the Burnage bell-ends anyday... >Which doesn't account for the presence of Standing on the Shoulder of >Giants here*. ouch, a bridge far too far...FWIW, i had more time for the Essex brats (but never THAT much), 'Beetlebum' being the only promo (NB - not bought... ;-) ...)that i didnt haul off to Cash Converters or wherever... >Mark (waiting from barbed missive from Manchester) you wish... ;0) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 01:46:02 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Blur and the Bill Hick Formula Feeling uncool, too mainstream, too normal? Tired of being crushed by the wheels of industry, and flayed alive by Big Brother and the police state? Don't worry folks. You can all be Bill Hick. Follow these simple steps and you too can ejaculate your pearls of spunky wisdom all over Idealcopists everywhere, just like the bard of Whalley Range. And all without the expensive drugs. So lets imagine I quite innocently say: While I don't really like Blur and find Damon Allbran and his champagne swigging pals somewhat punchable, I do think they wrote some splendid pop songs and 'This is a Low' is a great melancholic pop song, and that track they had in Trainspotting worked brilliantly in the soundtrack...and their namechecking of Wire will have meant that lots of copies of Pink Flag, 154 and Chairs Missing were sold in the mid 90s. 1. First have a little personal dig at the writer of the message e.g: "Vicars Son praised Blur....." Something like that. 2. Then quote a Fall Lyric, appropos of nothing: "Undulating plyon trestle, spells arid belt for the Fun Boy Three-ah....apply farmyard to the bespectacled acupunturist-ah...." 3. Then quote verbatim from the Bible (i.e 'Everybody Loves a History') EGL "I've never liked Vicars, or their sons" BG "Blur are crap as well" EGL "I wish Graeme Rowland would come and interview us again.." BG "And basically we make music for ourselves, and if someone else likes it thats a bonus" 4. And whats on the Binatone Midi system? "NP: Mechanoid Trill - 'Customise the Undead'" _+__+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+)+__+_+__ Do you Yahoo? I'm so Anarchic I carry adverts on my e-mail Hotmail Me Till I Spurgle My Largactic Brooligals. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:07:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: AW: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here! In a message dated 6/6/02 2:48:47 AM, andrew@lumbard.co.uk writes: >interested to know how well this is reported in the states;-) > >On a scale of 1-10 against the NBA? seems some listers find it at the top of their local sports news...i'd have to say that the u.s. team's win was 99 and 44/100% responsible for the news. i don't watch much tv, but i'd have to say that the coverage and reporting, overall, rates about .00025 against hockey, basketball, baseball, golf, auto racing, boxing, bowling, beach volleyball, billiards, table tennis, gnip gnop, tiddly winks and off season american football news. well, maybe the world cup gets covered better than most of the stuff between baseball and nfl football on my list, but you get the idea ;o) - -paul c.d. p.s. mark, i think basketball is about the stoopidest sport going. what's worse is the attitude/behavior of it's star players...and their friggin paychecks...bastards ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 06:42:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #181 > << > It continues to be true that for most here Wire is > about as far from the mainstream as they get. This still, > after several years here, surprises me somewhat. >> > Mark said > Just as surprising as the number of Wire fans here who turn their noses up at > anything vaguely commercial or successful in the mainstream. I'd have thought > Wire covers most bases from the extreme avant-garde to extremely tuneful pop, > and that most listers' record collections would roughly follow the same route > map. Hear hear. I bet no-one here says 'I don't like Outdoor Miner. It reached number 51 and it's just too darn tuneful'. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:26:58 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... >> He later on shoot the rather weak "House of the Spirits". > I disagree - liked that movie a lot. Meryl Streep is one of the best > actresses out there. Hmmm, never was a fan myself. Though her style is intence in each movie she seems to play that same nervous and hurt character. > The next day after watching HotS we rented that Madonna movie about > Argentina. Pretty much it was dealing with the same topic as HotS but all it > could do for me was put me to good sleep. And singing was just awful. > Syarzhuk Well, there is "rather weak" and there is absolute rubbish. ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:30:35 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... >> melodramatic side of von Trier don't interest me, but if you haven't seen >> the Idiots, this is something else all together. Funny, edgy and >> anarchistic! >> Bart > > you've talked me into it. i'll try and get to watch it... > keith Now my work is done here... ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:33:02 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [Brit] Popscene >>> OK. Even as I write I am hanging my head in shame. I like 'Standing on the >>> Shoulder...'. It's OK...I can hear the tumbleweed blowing and I know what it >>> feels like to be the loneliest man in the world, but it's...OK...I'll be >>> alright. >> Me and my BIG mouth! :-/ >> Bart > YES. IT'S ALL YOUR BLOODY FAULT ; ) Now my work is done here... ];-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 03:35:29 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here! er , so any predictions for the england/argies game? must say i have littel optimism on this one , my heart says 1 -1 but my head says we lose about 2-0. ominously , p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 03:33:14 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here! er , so any predictions for the england/argies game? must say i have littel optimism on this one , my heart says 1 -1 but my head says we lose about 2-0. ominously , p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:52:31 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Off topic) Something rotten... frederik: > "babettes feast" was by the dane gabriel axel and not Bille August... my mistake... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:00:02 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Outdoor Miner > I bet no-one here says 'I don't like Outdoor Miner. It reached > number 51 and it's just too darn tuneful'. > > Keith Even this would not come as a surprise to me. I've heard it being described here as "only" a XTC-like song... Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #184 *******************************