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idealcopy-digest         Sunday, June 2 2002         Volume 05 : Number 175



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill         [Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>]
  Re: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here!  [Bart van Damme <bartvanda]
  Re: [idealcopy] my name is...       [Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>]
  Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill           [Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill         [Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill                [Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  [idealcopy] Mystery Lyric               ["Bill Hick" <umur_ot@hotmail.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill                [Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill    ["ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] naming--       ["ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] my name is...  ["ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post  ["DAVID HEA]
  Re: [idealcopy] Mystery Lyric       [Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post  ["ian.s. ja]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill                                [RLynn9@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post  [RLynn9@aol]
  [idealcopy] next in the pig-pile...  ["ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmai]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post  [RLynn9@aol]
  Re: [idealcopy] next in the pig-pile...  [Andrew Walkingshaw <andrew-wire@]
  [idealcopy] fischerspooner   ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post  ["Keith Ast]
  Re: [idealcopy] next in the pig-pile...  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post  ["Keith Ast]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  [idealcopy] <no subject>            ["They wait..." <they.wait@virgin.net>]
  [idealcopy] Jimmy the Illuminated Shouty Goose  ["Bill Hick" <umur_ot@hotm]
  Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post  ["ian.s. ja]
  Re: [idealcopy] Heretic/witch       [Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>]

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:57:08 +0200
From: Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

>> Perhaps I'm the only one here, but I'm not all that impressed with Read &
>> Burn.
 
> So what is better this year?
> Special Small Faeces Blurbling in Adam's Pants?

It is possible to be critical without comparing it to other band's outlets
you know. I was comparing it with the impact previous wire-releases made on
me, wich to me seems a reasonable enough arguement.

 
>> I don't dislike it,
> 
> We agree! How the IC makes us happy!
 
Well, I AM actually... even this mail makes me happy funnily enough.
 

>> but to me some of the songs deliberately try to
>> imitate a Pink Flagish feel.
> 
> I asked Colin about this .
> 
> His reply is that there was no intention to be retro.
> 
> Perhaps there was a reversion to minimalism of a sort?

Why did you go and ask Colin that question in the first place then?
Must have been something to do with the effect the songs made on you or not?
And were his answer satisfying enough for you? Just a denial doesn't seem
like much of a statement to me. Not really the nitty gritty you spoke of eh?
[see below]

 
>> I like Wire better when they surprise me as they have done with earlier
>> recordings - when they constantly seem to be a step ahead of me.
> 
> If you are listening to blur & strokes how can wire be considered 'behind'
> you? Maybe the next EP will leap ahead of your progressive tastes!

You consider R&B not retro because Colin told you it wasn't. What are you
now, disciple Bill spreading the [fundamentalist] word? No room for other
opinions but your own - [wich has proven to be Colin's really]. At least I
had the guts to speak my mind about something very dear to me. A shame you
can't appreciate a healthy discussion amongst equals here. What to do now
with this heretic Bart?

 
>> I don't see all that much difference between ripping your own catalogue or
>> someone else's.
> 
> Why? 
> Surely taking your own ideas and honing them and refining them is preferable
> to watering down someone else's and then making their legacy a joke by
> listing your own execration upon it?

Feeble arguements of a 13 year old. Try harder [and don't lose your cool
this time].

 
> Nothing wrong with plagiarism if it opens doors and reveals ideas or hidden
> vistas. Britpappies closed doors. Allbran's fusty conservative list proves
> it!

I can hear you thinking: Someone who likes Blur could not never EVER really
appreciate Wire. That's were you're wrong. Take the pain bi... er... Bill!
 
> So do you have a problem with Wire being relatively original compared to yr
> crappy britpap faves?

I don't have a problem with Wire at all. Wire is the greatest band on the
planet and worthy of healthy criticism. It's halfwitted fundamentalism I
have a problem with.

 
>> Why not look at this as retro too?
 
> Because whilst some of the rock idiom might seem to be calling on the bands'
> own past (and indeed the past of Lemmy / Motorhead / Hawkwind on Comet &
> Agfers) the recording techniques are rather more contemporary.

You're hiding behind "Recording techniques" now? Boy, this sounds desperate.
My question still stands...
 

> The lyrics are also a cut above the average.

As always waaay above! To me Colin is the greatest lyricist of all [Pollard
being a good 2nd].

 
> Funny how you judge Wire so much more harshly than these other shitty bands
> that this list isn't about.

I can tell you: It's because I take Wire way more seriously than any other
band [and I presume that goes for all IC-ers - why else bother with these
loads of mail every day] My expectations of them are high. Your not very
good with criticism are you?

 
> Put yr money where yr mouth is...

Hmmm, now that must give quite a ticking sensation...

 
> Which other rock bands have done it better in 2002 (or to be fair to those
> who are slow to assimilate, 2001 too) then?
> If it really is so obvious I can't wait to hear YOUR band.

I couldn't care less about other bands in this discussion. My point
concerned Wire - and not in comparison with other bands. Otherwise one could
say: Hey, this truely was a baaad rock year, but Wire wasn't as bad as the
others. Tell me Bill, have you ever had any critique on Wire?

> If you have criticisms then be more specific, less generic. This is the WIRE
> list after all, I think it would be deemed acceptable to get to the nitty
> gritty!

Nah... I wish you all the best with your precious set of rules, but I'd
rather stick to my own.

 
> NP Breeders Last Splash

Like I said earlier, maybe there's hope for you yet.

 
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite
> Blur=Total Shite

Wow, aren't you the edgy little fella...

My advice, go and see a couple of Scorcese films and deal with whatever
existence crisis your in. Everything will turn out right, believe me.

All the best,

bart

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:06:33 +0200
From: Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the World Cup is finally here!

>> But no matter where you are in the
>> world let's all band together as Ideal Copyists and root for the downfall
>> of French !!!! May they not get past the first round! and even if they do may
>> they be fodder for someone more deserving! Cheers to you all !!
>> 
>> Robert
> 
> france 0 senegal 1
> 
> blimey, robert. remind me never to upset you ; )


Senegal rules! Wouldn't it be great is by some twist of fate they should
make it to the finals? [bit like Denmark become European champion in '92]
But against who should they play I wonder?

As long as it isn't Germany again... [the horror the horror]

Bart

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:23:31 +0200
From: Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my name is...

>>Bosch, The Stone of Folly. Madrid, Prado.
> 
> aaaaaaahhhhhhhh.....thank you, thank you, thank you...
> 
> one of my favourite Wire lyrics (and songs come to that...) now explained!!
> 
> ian.s.j.


Nice to hear someone else is interested too. I knew the Bosch painting [and
the great song of course] but never linked the two together.
I've always loved those moments when things seem to fall in place.
GREAT stuff! Have you seen the picture online Ian?

Now, could this be a case of plagiarism by Colin?  ;-)

Bart

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

- --- Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:35:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill
> To: Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>
> 
> hate to add fuel to the fire but,although wire have
> been my fave band for 25 years or so,barry andrews
> of
> shriekback is a FAR better lyricist i.m.h.o.Ari
> --- Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl> wrote:
> > >> Perhaps I'm the only one here, but I'm not all
> > that impressed with Read &
> > >> Burn.
> >  
> > > So what is better this year?
> > > Special Small Faeces Blurbling in Adam's Pants?
> > 
> > It is possible to be critical without comparing it
> > to other band's outlets
> > you know. I was comparing it with the impact
> > previous wire-releases made on
> > me, wich to me seems a reasonable enough
> arguement.
> > 
> >  
> > >> I don't dislike it,
> > > 
> > > We agree! How the IC makes us happy!
> >  
> > Well, I AM actually... even this mail makes me
> happy
> > funnily enough.
> >  
> > 
> > >> but to me some of the songs deliberately try to
> > >> imitate a Pink Flagish feel.
> > > 
> > > I asked Colin about this .
> > > 
> > > His reply is that there was no intention to be
> > retro.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps there was a reversion to minimalism of a
> > sort?
> > 
> > Why did you go and ask Colin that question in the
> > first place then?
> > Must have been something to do with the effect the
> > songs made on you or not?
> > And were his answer satisfying enough for you?
> Just
> > a denial doesn't seem
> > like much of a statement to me. Not really the
> nitty
> > gritty you spoke of eh?
> > [see below]
> > 
> >  
> > >> I like Wire better when they surprise me as
> they
> > have done with earlier
> > >> recordings - when they constantly seem to be a
> > step ahead of me.
> > > 
> > > If you are listening to blur & strokes how can
> > wire be considered 'behind'
> > > you? Maybe the next EP will leap ahead of your
> > progressive tastes!
> > 
> > You consider R&B not retro because Colin told you
> it
> > wasn't. What are you
> > now, disciple Bill spreading the [fundamentalist]
> > word? No room for other
> > opinions but your own - [wich has proven to be
> > Colin's really]. At least I
> > had the guts to speak my mind about something very
> > dear to me. A shame you
> > can't appreciate a healthy discussion amongst
> equals
> > here. What to do now
> > with this heretic Bart?
> > 
> >  
> > >> I don't see all that much difference between
> > ripping your own catalogue or
> > >> someone else's.
> > > 
> > > Why? 
> > > Surely taking your own ideas and honing them and
> > refining them is preferable
> > > to watering down someone else's and then making
> > their legacy a joke by
> > > listing your own execration upon it?
> > 
> > Feeble arguements of a 13 year old. Try harder
> [and
> > don't lose your cool
> > this time].
> > 
> >  
> > > Nothing wrong with plagiarism if it opens doors
> > and reveals ideas or hidden
> > > vistas. Britpappies closed doors. Allbran's
> fusty
> > conservative list proves
> > > it!
> > 
> > I can hear you thinking: Someone who likes Blur
> > could not never EVER really
> > appreciate Wire. That's were you're wrong. Take
> the
> > pain bi... er... Bill!
> >  
> > > So do you have a problem with Wire being
> > relatively original compared to yr
> > > crappy britpap faves?
> > 
> > I don't have a problem with Wire at all. Wire is
> the
> > greatest band on the
> > planet and worthy of healthy criticism. It's
> > halfwitted fundamentalism I
> > have a problem with.
> > 
> >  
> > >> Why not look at this as retro too?
> >  
> > > Because whilst some of the rock idiom might seem
> > to be calling on the bands'
> > > own past (and indeed the past of Lemmy /
> Motorhead
> > / Hawkwind on Comet &
> > > Agfers) the recording techniques are rather more
> > contemporary.
> > 
> > You're hiding behind "Recording techniques" now?
> > Boy, this sounds desperate.
> > My question still stands...
> >  
> > 
> > > The lyrics are also a cut above the average.
> > 
> > As always waaay above! To me Colin is the greatest
> > lyricist of all [Pollard
> > being a good 2nd].
> > 
> >  
> > > Funny how you judge Wire so much more harshly
> than
> > these other shitty bands
> > > that this list isn't about.
> > 
> > I can tell you: It's because I take Wire way more
> > seriously than any other
> > band [and I presume that goes for all IC-ers - why
> > else bother with these
> > loads of mail every day] My expectations of them
> are
> > high. Your not very
> > good with criticism are you?
> > 
> >  
> > > Put yr money where yr mouth is...
> > 
> > Hmmm, now that must give quite a ticking
> > sensation...
> > 
> >  
> > > Which other rock bands have done it better in
> 2002
> > (or to be fair to those
> > > who are slow to assimilate, 2001 too) then?
> > > If it really is so obvious I can't wait to hear
> > YOUR band.
> > 
> > I couldn't care less about other bands in this
> > discussion. My point
> > concerned Wire - and not in comparison with other
> > bands. Otherwise one could
> > say: Hey, this truely was a baaad rock year, but
> > Wire wasn't as bad as the
> > others. Tell me Bill, have you ever had any
> critique
> > on Wire?
> > 
> > > If you have criticisms then be more specific,
> less
> > generic. This is the WIRE
> > > list after all, I think it would be deemed
> > acceptable to get to the nitty
> > > gritty!
> > 
> > Nah... I wish you all the best with your precious
> > set of rules, but I'd
> > rather stick to my own.
> > 
> >  
> > > NP Breeders Last Splash
> > 
> > Like I said earlier, maybe there's hope for you
> yet.
> > 
> >  
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > > Blur=Total Shite
> > 
> > Wow, aren't you the edgy little fella...
> > 
> > My advice, go and see a couple of Scorcese films
> and
> > deal with whatever
> > existence crisis your in. Everything will turn out
> > right, believe me.
> > 
> > All the best,
> > 
> > bart
> 
> 
> =====
> everything in moderation is good for you,including
> excess.
> Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> 


=====
everything in moderation is good for you,including excess.
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:57:43 +0200
From: Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

> hate to add fuel to the fire but,although wire have
> been my fave band for 25 years or so,barry andrews of
> shriekback is a FAR better lyricist i.m.h.o.Ari


I know the band only by name Ari.
This must be really something then!
What exactly makes his lyrics better?
And get to the nitty gritty or else...
sorry, still in battle-mode.  ;-)

Cheers,
Bart

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:18:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

Send me your address Bart and I'll send you a
compilaion.Ari
- --- Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl> wrote:
> > hate to add fuel to the fire but,although wire
> have
> > been my fave band for 25 years or so,barry andrews
> of
> > shriekback is a FAR better lyricist i.m.h.o.Ari
> 
> 
> I know the band only by name Ari.
> This must be really something then!
> What exactly makes his lyrics better?
> And get to the nitty gritty or else...
> sorry, still in battle-mode.  ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Bart
> 


=====
everything in moderation is good for you,including excess.
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:31:39 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

> What to do now with this heretic Bart?

Burn him. He's a witch ; )

Keith

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:22:58 +0100
From: "Bill Hick" <umur_ot@hotmail.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] Mystery Lyric

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <RLynn9@aol.com>
To: <umur_ot@hotmail.com>; <idealcopy@smoe.org>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Breeders: Would they say yes? Would they say no?


> In a message dated 5/30/02 6:11:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> umur_ot@hotmail.com writes:
> 
> << Classic rock lyrics of our time:
> 
>  Do Do Whoooooereer
> 
>  lop lop
> 
>  sheesch!!!!
> 
>  Zhhooooskieeeeeerrrrrrr
> 
>  Wibble yorrrrr
> 
> 
>  Anyone recognise that one?
> 
>   >>
> 
> no but i sound like that when i wake up in the morning!....
> 
> RL
> 
It was 'Scope' by Coil.

This one's easier:

Awooooha
Awooooha
check check check

NP Read & Burn 01 (not quite as 'edgey' as Str*kes of course)

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ari Britt <luvjazzz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

- --- Keith Astbury <keith.astbury10@virgin.net> wrote:
> > What to do now with this heretic Bart?
> 
> Burn him. He's a witch ; )
> 
> Keith
love him,he won't be avle to handle that.anyway i like
his 'style'it's more 'punk' than most of us ('cept
perhaps djnana)Ari


=====
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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 22:30:29 +0100
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

> > What to do now with this heretic Bart?
>
>Burn him. He's a witch ; )

hahahaha.....as i read this i'm just at the end of hearing 'War Pigs'...
and...next...'Paranoid'....hhmmmm, nice...

ian.s.j. (in full black mass mode y'all...)

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 22:35:41 +0100
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] naming--

><< oopersootics on the brain >>
>
>
>waitaminnit! what's this from??

(your friendly neighborhood pedant types...)
its 'ooperZootics' actually...
just in case no-one's replied yet...its from '1st Letter',
'Naked, Whooping and Such-like' even...!!!!

ian.s.j.

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:03:59 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

> > > What to do now with this heretic Bart?
> >
> >Burn him. He's a witch ; )
>
> hahahaha.....as i read this i'm just at the end of hearing 'War Pigs'...
> and...next...'Paranoid'....hhmmmm, nice...
>
> ian.s.j. (in full black mass mode y'all...)

bloody hell. 'war pigs'? haven't heard that in YEARS!!!
Bit of a fan of the opening doomy business at the start of sabbath's first
LP myself ('black sabbath' itself?) - quite possibly the doomiest thing i've
ever heard!
keith
np doves - last broadcast

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 23:05:49 +0100
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my name is...

Bart :
>Nice to hear someone else is interested too. I knew the Bosch painting [and 
>the great song of course] but never linked the two together.
>I've always loved those moments when things seem to fall in place.
>GREAT stuff! Have you seen the picture online Ian?

seen it...? its set as my desktop wallpaper already...!!!!!!

>Now, could this be a case of plagiarism by Colin?  ;-)

i'd prefer to call it 'inspiration'...

ian.s.j.

PS Bart - re, the guest list thing, it was a 'perk of the (radio)job' at the 
time and i was never very comfortable with it (i was also doing a Jarvis 
Cocker-type stretch on the dole, so, y'know...anyway...
me and KeithA get along fine, we weren't arguing...!!! hence the ;0)...

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:08:41 +0100
From: "DAVID HEALE" <d.heale@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post

IDEALCOPIERS!!!now now.. whats all this talk of burning witches.....
crikey there's no half measures with you lot..
I BETTER GET THE DUCKING STOOL IN THE POST THEN  -KEITH.
if the culprit floats ...you know what to do
yours "beastly" 666..



- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
To: <idealcopy@smoe.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill


> > > What to do now with this heretic Bart?
> >
> >Burn him. He's a witch ; )
> 
> hahahaha.....as i read this i'm just at the end of hearing 'War Pigs'...
> and...next...'Paranoid'....hhmmmm, nice...
> 
> ian.s.j. (in full black mass mode y'all...)
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 00:15:54 +0200
From: Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mystery Lyric

> Awooooha
> Awooooha
> check check check

easy: Cannonball - Breeders

Bart 

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 23:22:15 +0100
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post

woah, hold on...!!i'm not having a go at anyone here...!!!
just making an observation, honest guv...!!

ian.s.j. (NP - Throbbing Gristle - 'Hamburger Lady'...no danger of 
coincidence there i hope...oh wow, now 'Hot On The Heels Of Love'...only 
just discovering this lot, shameful but true...)

>IDEALCOPIERS!!!now now.. whats all this talk of burning witches.....
>crikey there's no half measures with you lot..
>I BETTER GET THE DUCKING STOOL IN THE POST THEN  -KEITH.
>if the culprit floats ...you know what to do
>yours "beastly" 666..
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
>To: <idealcopy@smoe.org>
>Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill
>
>
> > > > What to do now with this heretic Bart?
> > >
> > >Burn him. He's a witch ; )
> >
> > hahahaha.....as i read this i'm just at the end of hearing 'War Pigs'...
> > and...next...'Paranoid'....hhmmmm, nice...
> >
> > ian.s.j. (in full black mass mode y'all...)

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:25:33 EDT
From: RLynn9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

In a message dated 6/1/02 4:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes:


> bloody hell. 'war pigs'? haven't heard that in YEARS!!!
> Bit of a fan of the opening doomy business at the start of sabbath's first
> LP myself ('black sabbath' itself?) - quite possibly the doomiest thing 
> i've
> ever heard!
> keith
> np doves - last broadcast
> 

i just recently replaced all my old scratchy Sabbath vinyl with cds...found 
all of em except Technical Ecstacy for $4.99 each!....and yes, the first LP 
is something else!...that whole bluesy last part especially!

RL

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:27:16 EDT
From: RLynn9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post

In a message dated 6/1/02 5:22:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
iansjackson@hotmail.com writes:


> ian.s.j. (NP - Throbbing Gristle - 'Hamburger Lady'...no danger of 
> coincidence there i hope...oh wow, now 'Hot On The Heels Of Love'...only 
> just discovering this lot, shameful but true...)
> 

wow Ian..Black Sabbath to Throbbing Gristle...what next?

RL

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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 23:31:07 +0100
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] next in the pig-pile...

>wow Ian..Black Sabbath to Throbbing Gristle...what next?
>
>RL

actually Robert, next on the pile is Tom Waits 'Bone Machine'...

ian.s.j.

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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:28:56 EDT
From: RLynn9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post

In a message dated 6/1/02 5:22:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
iansjackson@hotmail.com writes:


> ian.s.j. (NP - Throbbing Gristle - 'Hamburger Lady'...no danger of 
> coincidence there i hope...oh wow, now 'Hot On The Heels Of Love'...only 
> just discovering this lot, shameful but true...)
> 

NP - Bruce Haack "Hush Little Robot"....next up Bruce Haack  "The Electronic 
Album for Children"

RL

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:19:31 +0100
From: Andrew Walkingshaw <andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next in the pig-pile...

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 11:31:07PM +0100, ian.s. jackson wrote:
> >wow Ian..Black Sabbath to Throbbing Gristle...what next?
> >
> >RL
> 
> actually Robert, next on the pile is Tom Waits 'Bone Machine'...

Mostly today I've been listening to Idlewild's first EP, "Captain"...
it's really good, in a Fugazi-playing-Repeater-while-falling-off-a-cliff
hyperkinetic kind of way.

I like Idlewild, a lot, but they're definitely becoming more mellow with
each progressive release - they appear to be what you get if you get a
bunch of NY-hardcore-fan kids with a closet REM fixation :)

Oh, and sitting my last university written exam ever. One viva to go,
then I just have to come back in October to start the doctorate...

Andrew (np: Smiths - "The Queen is Dead". Seemed appropriate for Jubilee
weekend, somehow...)

- -- 
"Every aircraft, every camera,
 Is a wish that wasn't granted."
- - Mogwai, "Take Me Somewhere Nice" ('Rock Action')
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:40:35 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: [idealcopy] fischerspooner

"...not even self-deprecation can cover the fact that Fischerspooner have
neglected to write any songs. They have two memorable tracks: current single
Emerge and a cover of Wire's The 15th. The rest is sub-Kraftwerk pounding,
with deadpan posturing instead of melodies."

2 out of 5 star review of Fischerspooner London gig in Saturdays Guardian.

Keith

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:49:57 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post

> > ian.s.j. (NP - Throbbing Gristle - 'Hamburger Lady'...no danger of
> > coincidence there i hope...oh wow, now 'Hot On The Heels Of Love'...only
> > just discovering this lot, shameful but true...)
> >
>
> wow Ian..Black Sabbath to Throbbing Gristle...what next?
>
> RL

'best of cilla' ?

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:50:42 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next in the pig-pile...

> >wow Ian..Black Sabbath to Throbbing Gristle...what next?
> >
> >RL
> 
> actually Robert, next on the pile is Tom Waits 'Bone Machine'...
> 
> ian.s.j.

drat! wrong!!!

keith

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:54:07 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post

> IDEALCOPIERS!!!now now.. whats all this talk of burning witches.....
> crikey there's no half measures with you lot..
> I BETTER GET THE DUCKING STOOL IN THE POST THEN  -KEITH.
> if the culprit floats ...you know what to do
> yours "beastly" 666..

i just knew your ears would prick up here, david! look what cornwall's done
to you ; )

keith



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
> To: <idealcopy@smoe.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill
>
>
> > > > What to do now with this heretic Bart?
> > >
> > >Burn him. He's a witch ; )
> >
> > hahahaha.....as i read this i'm just at the end of hearing 'War Pigs'...
> > and...next...'Paranoid'....hhmmmm, nice...
> >
> > ian.s.j. (in full black mass mode y'all...)
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:58:59 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill

> > bloody hell. 'war pigs'? haven't heard that in YEARS!!!
> > Bit of a fan of the opening doomy business at the start of sabbath's
first
> > LP myself ('black sabbath' itself?) - quite possibly the doomiest thing
> > i've
> > ever heard!
> > keith
> >
>
> i just recently replaced all my old scratchy Sabbath vinyl with
cds...found
> all of em except Technical Ecstacy for $4.99 each!....and yes, the first
LP
> is something else!...that whole bluesy last part especially!
>
> RL

didn't have you down as a sabbath fan at all robert!

haven't heard 'technical ecstacy' since i was in school, but my abiding
memory of it - apart from the 'oh that's a bit naughty' cover - is that
drummer bill ward sang on it. the papers slagged that track off, but i seem
to recall it was quite endearing. is it? (if it's utter shite please bear in
mind i was 15 at the time!)

keith

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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 13:57:35 +0100
From: "They wait..." <they.wait@virgin.net>
Subject: [idealcopy] <no subject>

Bosch, The Stone of Folly. Madrid, Prado.
     In The Stone of Folly we see a quack doctor cutting a peasant's head
open to extract a stone that causes the peasant's stupidity. This was a
familiar jest in the Netherlands: the peasant's stupidity is proved when he
pays a charlatan to cut his head open. In this version, however, the
charlatan is producing a tulip blossom from the patient's scalp; another is
already on the table.
   The inscription reads, Meester snyt die keye ras.  Myne name is Lubbert
das. (Master cuts the stones out. My name is Lubbert Das.) The quack doctor
is assisted by a quack priest and a quack nun. The funnel on the doctor's
head and the book on the nun's are derisive.
     The operation to remove the "stone of folly" is a satire on both
quackery and credulity, but similar operations, perhaps with the same
object, may really have been performed. The Prado has Juan de Seville's San
Lucas, in which we see St. Luke, with a gesture just like this one, putting
a knife to the scalp of a bald little patient. 

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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:43:40 +0100
From: "Bill Hick" <umur_ot@hotmail.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] Jimmy the Illuminated Shouty Goose

Is Jimmy the Illuminated Goose still on Ideal Copy?
If so please honk up!

We have important matters to discuss in relation to the positive evolution of
glowing avian-kind.

I hope all this boring burbling about eNMEy / Blurb hasn't led Jimmy to
uns*bscribe!

Would he say yes?
Would he say no?

Would he shout lino with eels in a room painted white?

The big problem with eNMEy was that they never asked Colin Newman to be the
editor!

Lock up your hats!
Void your rooms and paint them white!
Shouty bloke on PUBLIC DISPLAY!

THE "SHOUTY-ROCK FESTIVAL" WITH COLIN NEWMAN

June 3rd 7-9pm BST  Resonance FM 104.4FM (in London)

http://www.resonancefm.com   streaming

 >>Ignore the hype of both half century new Elizabethanism and retro silver
jubilee punk nostalgia and celebrate the here and now in state of the art
future rock with The Shouty-rock Festival. Timed to coincide with The ICA's
Sonic Mook event, wire's veteran shouty-bloke Colin Newman along with special
guests New York's Liars will present 2 hours of all the best that is loud and
fast and absolutely NOW.<<

http://www.posteverything.com/news/article.php?id=2207

I hope Mr Newman has splashed out on a Melt Banana record or 7 or he'll have
egg on his face and all over the mixer!

7 an 9 in Bovine Spongiform Timing!
We'll learn 'em to jazz it up yet!!!
And for Jimmy's sake ignore Blurb!!!!!

eNMEy Blurb: it is not what you write that is important, but rather the number
of words. That is the nature of the 'music journalism' beast. This exciting
new band Pure Natural Plagiarists only paid for small ad, they only get 26
words. They are 'next little thing' with Pavement riff gone spare. If only
they could afford a full page, they might be 'nextweeksbigthingy.' A
disgruntled former hack for eNMEy reports that nothing gets reviewed there
unless the label buys an ad. Its OK though, they don't discriminate against
the hard pressed indies, a small ad amongst the Marion Mandolin poster vendors
will do.

Liars were booked to record a Peel session late April so it should get
broadcast fairly soon. Stay glued to your TV sets.

Ears pinned back! Plastic surgery disasters!
Here it is...
     another the ShoutyBand,
and look they've considerately named themselves after one of Joy Davidson's
croonathons for all you ol' raincoats out there!

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/fromsafetytowhere.html

NP Jim O'Rourke - I'm Happy and I'm Singing Fuck Off Blur (www.mego.at)

 > > * In the first book of the bible, Guinessis, God got tired of creating the
world, so he took the Sabbath off.

Cracked Machine
Highly Irregular Cyberzine
http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine 

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Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 03:33:30 +0100
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Raging Bill...the ducking stool's in the post

>'best of cilla' ?

oh hilarious.... ;0)

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Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 09:26:37 +0200
From: Bart van Damme <bartvandamme@home.nl>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Heretic/witch

>> What to do now with this heretic Bart?
> 
> Burn him. He's a witch ; )
> 
> Keith



Well, I DID got a tiny bit of sunburn enjoying a beautiful only
fluffy-clouded saturday accompanied by an [ok, more than 1] icecold Grolsch.
If that's the IC punishment you had in mind then cheers to you!  ;-)

Bart

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