From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #171 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 30 2002 Volume 05 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: the bin [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: the bin ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Associates "Perhaps/Glamour Chase" [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] Stand up and count to 154 ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: the bin/bin there [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] end of The Wire Page [Andrew Westmeyer ] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Stand up and count to 154 ["bartvandamme@home" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:03:49 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the bin Mark said > In Bursa's 'what the fuck's that about' bin with Peter Hammill and, I > guess, John Martyn. > Chris added: I can be more contemporary in my bin. Eminem for starters & a bucketful of stuff on VH1 which my good lady listens to. I like that bin Mark & will throw a few more into it on reflection. I continue: Amen. And almost every r n' b (in the modern, debased, usage) and garage (ditto) track I've ever heard. Does anyone here go for that stuff? Maybe it's a huge blindspot on my part, but it sounds to me like the direct descendant of Shakatak, Level 42 and Five Star. Eminem looks to me like an illustration from a Victorian doctor's lecture about how having bumps on the head in the wrong places make you thick, nasty and socially retarded. He sounds as if his balls haven't dropped properly either. Not so much a bully but the bully's horrible weaselly little mate (see also Dennis Wise). And another thing: what's Dido for, apart from 'classy' GQ jerk-off fodder? Howard (settles back into buttoned leather armchair and pours himself a large brandy) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:11:37 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite Graeme, << the retro rot of the Britpap cancer that turned attention away from anything interesting going on<< Britpop revolved largely round the "record collection rock" paradigm - with aAlan McGee as a guiding light how else could it have turned out? Yet of all Britpop's leading lights, Blur is one of the least guilty of "retro rot". Sure, they have plenty of visible influences, but the result is pretty distinctive >>with the notion that rock bands should no longer rock (El*st*ca & Str*kes also suffer from this).<< So all rock bands should be forced to "rock"? What a ridiculous notion. Have you seen MTV2 recently. That "rocks". And is utter shite. >> Every record has paper thin plagiarism masquerading as 'cool' influence and they never begin to skirt around the simple idea of transcending their influences. >> Maybe true of yer Strokes/Hives etc but Blur made a pretty good stab at transcending their myriad influences. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:45:47 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite > Graeme, > > << the retro rot of the Britpap cancer that turned attention away from > anything interesting going on<< > > Britpop revolved largely round the "record collection rock" paradigm - with > aAlan McGee as a guiding light how else could it have turned out? Yet of all > Britpop's leading lights, Blur is one of the least guilty of "retro rot". > Sure, they have plenty of visible influences, but the result is pretty > distinctive > >>> with the notion that rock bands should no longer rock (El*st*ca & Str*kes > also suffer from this).<< > > So all rock bands should be forced to "rock"? What a ridiculous notion. Have > you seen MTV2 recently. That "rocks". And is utter shite. > >>> Every record has paper thin plagiarism masquerading as 'cool' influence and > they never begin to skirt around the simple idea of transcending their > influences. >> > > Maybe true of yer Strokes/Hives etc but Blur made a pretty good stab at > transcending their myriad influences. > > Mark My words exactly Mark! Well, not entirely, cause I used other words. But I think the Strokes also manage to give us something more than just the sum of their influences... What on earth is wrong with catchy edgy tunes? Sometimes I'm getting pretty tired of negative preaching music fundamentalists. Bart, who just got Max Richter's "Memoryhouse" for his birthday [yeah, cheers!] wich sounds very promising. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:15:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? > > Surely they should just be judged on whether they're any good or not. And > > Blur, IMO, are good. Maybe not 'great', but certainly very good. > > Keith > > > I would rate some [quite a lot frankly] of their later work as great. And as > popsongs go surely Girls & Boys, Parklife or Country House too should be > rated as such... > > Aaaaaaw... it's all so subjective... Like Leonard Cohen said: "If you call > me brother now, according to who's plan". > I can only rate something according to my own personal set of rules and I > guess it therefor must be some sort of selfportrait... > > What I do find interesting in early Blur <-> later Blur is how Albarn in his > lyric writing shifts from a more beholding viewpoint to a more personal > approach, wich musically translates from carefree pop to a more searching > disturbing sound. Does this all mean music gets more interesting when > musicians have been challenged by life? > > Personally I've always tended towards more or less difficult music, but as I > get older and becoming more difficult myself I'm not particularly seeking > the obscure anymore... not necessarily bound by indie- or whatever rules. > There's room for much more nowadays... this *might* be down to the fact that we can become more comfortable with life as we get older. it might be 'sad', but do we want to be challenged every day of our lives? so maybe we enjoy things that are 'easier' - it's the same with literature. i haven't read anything by, say, albert camus, in a long time and the 'best' book i've read this year was about an english comedian who goes to moldova to play tennis against their international footballers - and though surprisingly there was plenty of food for thought there too - it's obviously not 'the plague'. but...so what. i enjoyed it. which is i suppose just a way of saying that you're more likely to hear 'can't get you out of my head' in our house than 'the cull is coming' these days. keith > There must be some sort of equilibrium at work here... What do you lot > think. > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:53:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the bin > Amen. And almost every r n' b (in the modern, debased, usage) and garage > (ditto) track I've ever heard. Does anyone here go for that stuff? i agree. most r&b is crap IMO. i hate that modern 'soul' type of singing where it's all about the voc. performance - 'hey lets show off my great voice' - and not the song. gladys knight didn't need to do it. she just sang (and sounded like she meant it too). it's todays equivalent of some horrid 70's fretwank as far as i'm concerned. but...there are some good r&b pop singles that try and move things on. aaliyah's 'try again' was one a couple of yrs back - percussively someone (timberland?) was trying to move things on. brandy's recent 'what about us' was another - and you just know that lots of singers are gonna be using that beat/sound pretty darn soon. for all the snobby attitudes that we may have here, dance music has progressed more than it's 'rock' counterpart in the last 10-15 yrs IMHO. mind you i subscribe to the smiths were the last group with a new angle theory. i'm not saying there haven't been great bands (or better ones) since, or that their sound was unique - you could spot the influences no problem - but i can't think of a single group who have approached things in a new/radical manner since morrisseys fey/ill/deaf/bedsit initial image. it's all a long time ago and it's easy to forget, but it *was* different at the time. don't get me wrong. i'm not saying music is dead (like some folk do, we've all heard them), but let's not kid ourselves that something unique is happening. with my current penchant for 70's reggae, i'm maybe not listening to as much new stuff as i usually do (and as much as some subscribers) but hey, the strokes aren't the only group who have influences. everyone does. and always have done... so if the strokes want to parade their influences good luck to them. at least they've got the right ones IMO. a band who's first single sounds like the velvets covering 'david watts' with a guest gtr solo from tom verlaine are OK with me. and for all their influences i could spot a strokes song at a mile so they must be doing SOMETHING different with the format! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:21:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? << which is i suppose just a way of saying that you're more likely to hear 'can't get you out of my head' in our house than 'the cull is coming' these days. >> Speak for yourself! While I agree that most of us do mellow over the years - people tell me I'm a lot less angsty than I was 20 years ago ;-) - but such is the mediocrity of so much modern music that I find myself turning more towards the angry, focused, passionate, uncompromising... on heavy rotation over the past few months have been the likes of This Heat and the Pop Group, not to mention Read & Burn... mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:02:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Associates "Perhaps/Glamour Chase" To anyone interested, (especially Keith Astbury) Amazon.com.uk is carrying the new double cd reissue of Perhaps/Glamour Chase by the Associates...and it's on sale for a good price right now...i think it's around 10 pounds for those of you in the uk...which is only around $15 for those of here in the states..the cheapest i've seen it so far..most shops are carrying it for $22 and up...i went ahead and purchased it as well as the book about Billy MacKenzie..i can't wait! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:27:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? > such is the mediocrity of > so much modern music that I find myself turning more towards the angry, > focused, passionate, uncompromising... on heavy rotation over the past few > months have been the likes of This Heat and the Pop Group, not to mention > Read & Burn... > > mark yeah 'read and burn' has figured a lot here too. other most played records this year probably... swim team #1 'yes boss food corner' (transglobal underground) 'dangerous dub' (king tubby meets roots radics radics) 'i can't let go' (the hollies) 'bastard' 'i want to be the president' (electralane e.p.) plus some old reggae compilations and various stuff by smog, bolan, beach boys, low, and...dr robert! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:49:54 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... PaulR : >and i really really hated those programmed drum tracks on up , real "dads >at the disco" stuff if ever i heard it. i missed the REM south bank show >but i heard it slated as blando PR-fare ; did you see that? yeah, i did and it was...i got into them around Reckoning/Fables time. saw them in, *i think*, 1986 at The Royal Court Theatre in Liverpool, stood next to a couple of arseholes shouting 'Skynyrd' in between every song, not enough to put me off thinking they were great though...i went off them after 'Green'...'Monster' was the LP that 'sort of' got me back into them... i've yet to hear 'Automatic...' 'Adventures...' and 'Up' at all...!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:29:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... ian, << yeah, i did and it was...i got into them around Reckoning/Fables time. saw them in, *i think*, 1986 at The Royal Court Theatre in Liverpool, >> I saw them at the Royal Court, but it was 89 - on the Green tour. I think the previous tour was back in 85, when Stipe had his hair dyed blond. I missed that - they played Hammersmith Palais (on my Birthday!) but I had to go oop north on business that day and couldn't get back in time. Bugger. Should have taken the day off! They probably played the Royal Court on that tour too Is it still there BTW or has it gone the way of Pickwicks :-( It took me 4 years to see them after that - they only played one London gig between then and the Green tour (around 86-87) but it sold out in minutes. That was the one with Robyn Hitchcokck on 2nd guitar. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:10:17 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... MarkB re REM : >They probably played the Royal Court on that tour too Is >it still there BTW or has it gone the way of Pickwicks :-( it's still there and still doing gigs, as far as i know...i haven't been for ages, can't remember the last time i was in there...possibly, it was Orbital, not enjoyable, left early... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:11:33 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Dads Blurred Disco Paul remembered rem > and i really really hated those programmed drum tracks on up , real "dads at the disco" stuff if ever i heard it. A bit like most posts to IC list over the last few days really. PS. Some of Wire are dads. Its really no excuse for being stuck in a retro britpap rut. NP. Nomeansno - One (www.alternativetentacles.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:07:41 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Stand up and count to 154 Martian o'Bursa >>>>Stand up and be counted - has anyone here named children/dogs/cats/goldfish after members of Wire?? Only by chance... The first 3 numbers of my computers reg no are 154 Off to see the Breeders again tomorrow. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/zero21.htm NP Unplugboy & Toshimaru Nakamura 2x3" CD (www.alectroecoustic.co.uk) Blur=Shite ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the bin/bin there Me I wouldn't put John Martyn in the bin,though I have no idea what he's doin' now,we get little or nothing over here,I would love a copy of 'One World' (anyone ?)I would put most 60's and 80's in the bin,'cept V.U,Zappa and the like,most 'pop' music gets 'old',(read dated)even early Wire now sounds dated,though of course if you're a new convert it might not. what about a "current" 'I'd NEVER BUY' list,limited to 5 Artitsts/groups of today? Howard Spencer wrote: > Mark said > > > In Bursa's 'what the fuck's that about' bin with > Peter Hammill and, I > > guess, John Martyn. > > > > Chris added: > I can be more contemporary in my bin. > Eminem for starters & a bucketful of stuff on VH1 > which my good lady > listens > to. > I like that bin Mark & will throw a few more into it > on reflection. > > I continue: > > Amen. And almost every r n' b (in the modern, > debased, usage) and garage > (ditto) track I've ever heard. Does anyone here go > for that stuff? > Maybe it's a huge blindspot on my part, but it > sounds to me like the > direct descendant of Shakatak, Level 42 and Five > Star. > > Eminem looks to me like an illustration from a > Victorian doctor's > lecture about how having bumps on the head in the > wrong places make you > thick, nasty and socially retarded. He sounds as if > his balls haven't > dropped properly either. Not so much a bully but the > bully's horrible > weaselly little mate (see also Dennis Wise). > > And another thing: what's Dido for, apart from > 'classy' GQ jerk-off > fodder? > > Howard (settles back into buttoned leather armchair > and pours himself a > large brandy) ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:26:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... > MarkB re REM : > >They probably played the Royal Court on that tour too Is > >it still there BTW or has it gone the way of Pickwicks :-( > > it's still there and still doing gigs, as far as i know...i haven't been for > ages, can't remember the last time i was in there...possibly, it was > Orbital, not enjoyable, left early... > ian.s.j. don't think i've ever left a gig early. left a feydeau farce early on a trip to the theatre, but otherwise i've paid me money, i'm staying! (don't know i managed to stay when i saw the pale saints. they were dire) remember going to see a bit of all-dayer at (funnily enough) liverpool rc circa '85, with come in tokyo etc playing. the headline act was the fall - who i obviously wanted to see (that was why i'd gone in the first place) - but my friends had had enough by the time they finally came on and wanted to go home. fortunately i was driving and i was able to dig my heels in and stay. think royal court are doing gigs, but haven't been in a while (julian cope nov 2000). only time i've been there when they've had seats in downstairs. great venue mind... keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:30:56 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Shouty bloke on PUBLIC DISPLAY! THE "SHOUTY-ROCK FESTIVAL" WITH COLIN NEWMAN June 3rd 7-9pm BST Resonance FM 104.4FM (in London) http://www.resonancefm.com streaming >>Ignore the hype of both half century new Elizabethanism and retro silver jubilee punk nostalgia and celebrate the here and now in state of the art future rock with The Shouty-rock Festival. Timed to coincide with The ICA's Sonic Mook event, wire's veteran shouty-bloke Colin Newman along with special guests New York's Liars will present 2 hours of all the best that is loud and fast and absolutely NOW.<< http://www.posteverything.com/news/article.php?id=2207 And just in case you missed it amongst all the retro britpap spam... WIRE GIG AT THE ICA 20th July - London Institute of Contemporary Arts address : The Mall, LONDON, SW1Y 5AH ticket line : 020.7930.3647 Booking office open daily 12 midday - 9.30 pm e.mail : tickets@ica.org.uk www.ica.org.uk Only 52 stopping days until aliens board ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:51:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... << remember going to see a bit of all-dayer at (funnily enough) liverpool rc circa '85, with come in tokyo etc playing. >> Blimey. That was Pete Wylie's brother's band wasn't it. Sounded exactly the same as Wah Heat. Think I've got their peel session somewhere... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 02:05:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] guess who...REM... > > << remember going to see a bit of all-dayer at (funnily enough) liverpool > rc > > circa '85, with come in tokyo etc playing. >> > > > Blimey. That was Pete Wylie's brother's band wasn't it. Sounded exactly the > same as Wah Heat. Think I've got their peel session somewhere... > > Mark yeah, phil i think his name was. and yeah you're right. 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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:41:02 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the bin - - but i can't think of a single group who have approached things in >a new/radical manner since morrisseys fey/ill/deaf/bedsit initial image. speaking of whom, after years of disdain (that *ahem* didn't keep me from amassing all the albums & virtually all of the b-sides) i started just a couple of days ago listening to solo morrissey seriously (inevitable, probably, amid the depression wrought by romantic reversal). so far, "your arsenal" has left everything else in the dust (though in fairness i still haven't spun "viva hate," the "bona drag," "world of morrissey" & "early burglary years" comps, that b-sides cdr i've got or "maladjusted") ... helluva disc -- god only knows how many time i've hit replay for "certain people i know." geez, at this rate inside a week i'll be giving the smiths serious attention for the first time in my life ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: [idealcopy] end of The Wire Page I am sad to say that the end is nigh. The Wire Page first went online in May 1995, which makes it one of the oldest pages on the web. The web page has not been updated since Oct 2000, which was shortly after the US dates of the reunion tour. I had decided to focus exclusively on completing my PhD. Now that I'm finished, I'll be leaving Carnegie Mellon and will lose the web space shortly afterwards. The good news is that all is not lost! Craig and I have been working together for some time to integrate our web pages. Now the Wireviews page has the lyrics, tablature, discography, etc. I'll back up the Wire Page to CDR in case of a possible rebirth. I don't know when the web space will be closed. Probably late in the summer. In case you don't know, the Wire Page has 2 locations, because I have 2 academic affiliations. I assume that both will shut down at about the same time. The URLs are: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/ http://www.public.asu.edu/~qwerty1/wire/ Thanks to everyone who contributed over the years. Cheers, ===== Andrew Westmeyer anw7pima@yahoo.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:51:49 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? Sid James... sounds a bit like a mixture between Sex Pistols and the Damned doesn't it? ;-) > sid james died around the same time as sid vicious , i do recall a > single by wavis o'shave at the time called "sid is dead" (naturally a tribute > to the walnut faced old letch not mr beverley/ritchie) Funny, I have a collegue who looks just him - or I imagine he will when he'll be 60 - though a potatoe comes to mind sooner than a walnut. I just took everybody's picture so check for yourself... [or aren't images allowed Miles? it's just a tiny little...] Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type multipart/appledouble] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:58:49 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Stand up and count to 154 > Blur=Shite AAAARRGGHHH... he did it again! 8-[ > Off to see the Breeders again tomorrow. Hmmm... maybe there's hope for you yet! [anyone allready have the new cd?] Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:04:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Stand up and count to 154 > > Blur=Shite wasn't that what mogwai wore on their t-shirts a few yrs ago? keith > AAAARRGGHHH... he did it again! 8-[ > > > Off to see the Breeders again tomorrow. > > Hmmm... maybe there's hope for you yet! [anyone allready have the new cd?] > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:10:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the bin dan said > i started just a > couple of days ago listening to solo morrissey seriously (inevitable, > probably, amid the depression wrought by romantic reversal). so far, "your > arsenal" has left everything else in the dust (though in fairness i still > haven't spun "viva hate," the "bona drag," "world of morrissey" & "early > burglary years" comps, that b-sides cdr i've got or "maladjusted") ... yeah 'your arsenal' is great! 'vauxhall & i' is even better though!!! (been playing 'southpaw grammar' lately. sounds better now than it did then IMO) > helluva disc -- god only knows how many time i've hit replay for "certain > people i know." or 'ride a white swan' as it should be called! Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #171 *******************************