From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #170 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 05 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] and a hey nonny NO! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] live at the roxy [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] and a hey nonny NO! [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] live at the roxy ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] live at the roxy [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] guess who?SERIUOS..THIS FORTRAN 5 LP.. [PaulRabjohn@aol.c] [idealcopy] FORTRAN 5 aka I START COUNTING [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Cyberspam - Who is Dr Robert? ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] guess who? ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite ["bartvandamme@home" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:30:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] and a hey nonny NO! << can't let this anti-folkism pass without comment.<< I'm not anti-folk, though it does lend itself to amusing stereotype pisstaking (eg 'The Folkie' in Viz) >> I'd regard neither John Martyn nor Nick Drake as folk. They're bleeding singer-songwriters.<< Neither of whom, perhaps, 'bleed' enough.... I'd say Drake was closer to folk than Martyn - Martyn ventures into Jazz-fusion territory, whereas Drake's stuff certainly uses folk tunings etc. But vocally he's probably closer to Colin Blunstone than anyone. >> And they're both mostly dull (although I too will make allowances for Solid Air). I'm very suspicious of Nick Drake's hipness as I'm sure had he not died that he would have a small portion of the fame. << Oh, come on. Bryter Later is a very good album... >>He reminds me most of Kevin Coyne, who has the misfortune to still be alive and therefore ignored.<< Again someone I've never 'got'. Just conjures up these rather angsty ballads on Peel in the late 70s, when you're waiting for him to play some new punk single. In Bursa's 'what the fuck's that about' bin with Peter Hammill and, I guess, John Martyn. >> As someone aware of the 'underground' in the early 70s, I'd never heard of Drake. Which doesn't detract from any worth he may have but does call into question whether he really had quite as many fans as is now claimed and puts his martyrdom into some perspective - his profile was VERY low.<< He was on Island... but I guess he's the UK equivalent of Big Star in that respect. Absolutely minimal sales (the Third/Sister Lovers album was never properly released at all - Alex Chilton claims no version is definitive, not even the Ryko reissue) but rediscovered years later by a seemingly unrelated scene (C86 indie).... An interesting concept and one which Lawrence Felt built into the idea behind his band. One suspects that would mean more to him than actually having had success at the time. Also covered as a song subject by Luke Haines on the last Auteurs album (see a pattern emerging here...) >> As for proper folk - I spent the summer of 77 switching from punk to folk with ease and they seemed to be two sides of the same coin, both angry and politically clued-in. Martin Carthy is one of England's Chief of Men - a man who has never wavered from doing what he believes and creating an incredible body of work in the process. Not unlike Mark E Smith. >> I don't doubt that - but the whiff of real ale-quaffing beardies remains an obstacle to English folk appreciation! A flagon of your finest foaming porter, stout yeoman of the bar!! Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:43:53 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] live at the roxy Keith, It's not 'The Roxy London WC2 (jan-apr 77)', but a similar comp which has different tracks for licencing reasons. Some of the tracks are the same - but it's well worth having for the two Wire tracks which are not available anywhere else. Clearly Lowdown & 12XU were among the tracks castle couldn't get their hands on - so the only way to include WIre was to include two tracks NOT released by EMI - hence 'Just don't care' and 'TV'.... It also includes stuff that clearly wasn't from the Roxy at all -eg the Damned playing Smash it up, which dates from 1979! So a fairly shoddy comp made worthwhile by Wire... If you want the original on CD, it was reissued as a double by Sanctuary records last year. The first CD is the original album while the second CD has loads of other stuff (good Buzzcocks/Adverts/XRay Spex stuff plus less good Sham 69/UKSubs/Boys stuff). Some of this is from the Farewell to the Roxy album and related outtakes.No other wire stuff sadly. Mark << i was in virgin records today - they're running a 3 punk LP's for #20 (or 5 for #30). one of those on offer is supposedly the 'live at the roxy' lp, but with a different cover and a sticker saying something like 're-issued, re-mastered, revised' (dated 1999, castle records i think). now i seem to recall that it had been re-issued with extra tracks a while back, but this wasn't extra tracks - it was more a case of *different* tracks. the unwanted track wasn't there for instance and the two wire tracks were 'tv' (?) and something else (the name of which escapes me) - but definitely not 'lowdown' and 12XU' that were on the vinyl copy that i loved for it's sheer shambolicness. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:56:53 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? In a message dated 28/05/2002 20:06:19 GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > Kevin Coyne, who has the misfortune to still be alive and therefore ignored Not by me. Marjorie Razorblade what a picture she made ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:05:15 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] and a hey nonny NO! In a message dated 28/05/2002 20:31:09 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > In Bursa's 'what the fuck's that about' bin with Peter Hammill and, I > guess, John Martyn. > I can be more contemporary in my bin. Eminem for starters & a bucketful of stuff on VH1 which my good lady listens to. I like that bin Mark & will throw a few more into it on reflection. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:42:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] live at the roxy Thanks Mark. I was on the verge of buying it and then put it back. Looks like I need to get it after all. (Bought a few things - inc. 'Moving Targets' - Penetration, which I've been meaning to buy since it came out!) It's a misleading campaign at Virgin though - on the poster it advertises the original album (same cover), but had this on sale instead (the Chester branch didn't have the proper one anyway) Keith > It's not 'The Roxy London WC2 (jan-apr 77)', but a similar comp which has > different tracks for licencing reasons. Some of the tracks are the same - but > it's well worth having for the two Wire tracks which are not available > anywhere else. > > Clearly Lowdown & 12XU were among the tracks castle couldn't get their hands > on - so the only way to include WIre was to include two tracks NOT released > by EMI - hence 'Just don't care' and 'TV'.... It also includes stuff that > clearly wasn't from the Roxy at all -eg the Damned playing Smash it up, which > dates from 1979! So a fairly shoddy comp made worthwhile by Wire... > > If you want the original on CD, it was reissued as a double by Sanctuary > records last year. The first CD is the original album while the second CD has > loads of other stuff (good Buzzcocks/Adverts/XRay Spex stuff plus less good > Sham 69/UKSubs/Boys stuff). Some of this is from the Farewell to the Roxy > album and related outtakes.No other wire stuff sadly. > > Mark > > > << i was in virgin records today - they're running a 3 punk LP's for #20 (or 5 > for #30). one of those on offer is supposedly the > 'live at the roxy' lp, but with a different cover and a sticker saying > something like 're-issued, re-mastered, revised' (dated 1999, castle records > i > think). > > now i seem to recall that it had been re-issued with extra tracks a while > back, but this wasn't extra tracks - it was more a case of *different* > tracks. > the unwanted track wasn't there for instance and the two wire tracks were > 'tv' > (?) and something else (the name of which escapes me) - but definitely not > 'lowdown' and 12XU' that were on the vinyl copy that i loved for it's sheer > shambolicness. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:23:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? I think I was meant to get into Nick Drake. It seemed like fate... In 1979 was in the 6th form (very into punk/new wave, but still liking a few dinosaurs) and approaching my 'A' levels, when I found a snippet from an old music paper - someone was asking for info on him and the reply was really praiseworthy. I'd never heard of him before. (As Another the Keith so rightly says - his profile was very low. And who knows, the fact that he was dead probably helped increase my interest at that age). Shortly afterwards some mates and I compiled our top 100's. There was an economics teacher who was really into music and I asked him to submit his. Unlike the rest of us, he DIDN'T put his in order - he did, however, include 'Bryter Layter' and 'Pink Moon' in his top 100. Being a cheeky gitt, I ended up borrowing his copy of 'Bryter Layter' (he borrowed my 'Born To Run' if I remember correctly!) and it was love, more or less at first listen. I do remember, being quite amazed, when his vocals started, because being introduced to Nick by way of side 1 of 'B.L.' means that the first time you hear him sing is when he crams so many words in the first lines of 'Hazy Jane II'. Mark's comparison with Colin Bluntstone voice is a good one, but at the time the nearest I could think of was, bizarely enough, 'Love & Affection' era Joan Armratrading. That summer, 'The Fruit Tree' was released for the first time. The time from reading about some obscure, dead singer-songwriter I'd never heard of to borrowing an album to him having a 3 LP boxset released was about 6 months. That's why I think 'it was fate'. After hearing our teachers 'B.L.', my two best mates of the time got 'Fruit Tree' too (before me too, the gitts!) and I fell in love with his music so much that I felt like I was on some sort of mission to spread the good word - because, apart from Dave Fanning playing a track at that time (we could just about pick RTE up in Wales at that time) I never heard anyone anywhere play his music. And that was the case until only a few years ago, which was why I was so keen to get peopel into him myself. (I can think of two other people who got the boxset and a number of others who've just bought a compilation as a result of my hard sell. I've never had such good results with any other artist). OK, now it's become rather de rigeur to like Nick - deceased, sensitive soul and all that - but that doesn't alter the fact that his music has an unequalled beauty IMO and 'Bryter Layter' is probably my third fave album EVER (after 'Electric Warrior' and 'Funhouse' if you're interested). The fact that he's dead matters not to me - Tim Hardin is too but I haven't got any of his albums - though I suppose it adds to the otherworldliness of his voice and adds poignancy to his lyrics. But as for Kevin Coyne - I shared Marks reaction. Come on Another the Keith - he was crap! (And anyway, didn't he have a Roger Chapman type voice, not - I must concede - that a Bolan fan can comment on anybody else doing a Larry the Lamb!) Keith P.S. Incidentally, this economics teacher sold me his copy of 'V.U. & Nico' and a couple of Tyrannosaurus Rex 45's, so as you can see, he was a good sort! N.P. The Beginning Of Doves - Marc Bolan (Larry the Lamb impersonations abound on this one!) > I can't let this anti-folkism pass without comment. I'd regard neither John > Martyn nor Nick Drake as folk. They're bleeding singer-songwriters. And > they're both mostly dull (although I too will make allowances for Solid > Air). I'm very suspicious of Nick Drake's hipness as I'm sure had he not > died that he would have a small portion of the fame. He reminds me most of > Kevin Coyne, who has the misfortune to still be alive and therefore ignored. > As someone aware of the 'underground' in the early 70s, I'd never heard of > Drake. Which doesn't detract from any worth he may have but does call into > question whether he really had quite as many fans as is now claimed and puts > his martyrdom into some perspective - his profile was VERY low. > > As for proper folk - I spent the summer of 77 switching from punk to folk > with ease and they seemed to be two sides of the same coin, both angry and > politically clued-in. Martin Carthy is one of England's Chief of Men - a > man who has never wavered from doing what he believes and creating an > incredible body of work in the process. Not unlike Mark E Smith. > > another the Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Astbury > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? > > > > > >> > << who is the only musician to have worked with bolan, cope and > > drake? > > > >> >> > > > here's a clue... also worked with talk talk and (this might clinch it) > > john > > > martyn...<< > > > > > > So I'd guess at one of the following: > > > > > > Joe Boyd > > > Richard Thompson > > > Danny Thompson > > > > Yep. It was Danny Thompson! Congrats!!! > > > > For the record, he played on a number of Nick Drake tracks, Julians 'China > > Doll' and, interestingly, latter day Bolan ('Zinc Alloy' 1974 - I'm > guessing > > it was the acoustic track 'Change') and not his earlier more folkie stuff. > > Think I'm right in saying he worked with Tim Buckley too. > > > > As for John Martyn - not a major fan myself either, but I like a few > albums > > and LOVE most of 'Solid Air' - for me that joins Nick Drake in (what you > so > > rightly called) the 'acceptable side of finger-in-the-ear folkiedom'. > > > > Putting genre's aside - I think Thompson is a great bass player. He always > > adds something to the track. He should work with more non-folk acts as far > > as I'm concerned. > > > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:17:11 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? In a message dated 28/05/02 19:08:23 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > i missed the REM south bank show but > i heard it slated as blando PR-fare ; did you see that? p > > when was that? can't say i remember it... > > ///ooh , about 3 sundays ago. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:24:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? i missed the REM south bank show but i heard it slated as blando PR-fare ; did you see that? p when was that? can't say i remember it... ///ooh , about 3 sundays ago. p phew. completely passed my by that one... keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:21:28 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] live at the roxy In a message dated 28/05/02 20:43:47 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > It's not 'The Roxy London WC2 (jan-apr 77)', but a similar comp which has > different tracks for licencing reasons. Some of the tracks are the same - > but > it's well worth having for the two Wire tracks which are not available > anywhere else. /////surely these are just the same versions as on "behind the curtain" , i thought the opening salvo of which was all the tracks in the live set from the roxy show that weren't on pink flag? isn't that right? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:23:26 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? In a message dated 5/28/02 3:01:48 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >my friend's car does have a nice license plate though...IBTABA > >> > >> -paul c.d. > > > > > >YOU'RE KIDDING !?! nope. it was by choice though, not luck. now that would be something! not sure if it's just an american thing, but people over here can order "vanity plates" for their cars. i was a bit of a police head back in the day and my 280z plates read "dedododo" :o\ - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:28:25 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who?SERIUOS..THIS FORTRAN 5 LP.. In a message dated 28/05/02 20:20:05 GMT Daylight Time, d.heale@virgin.net writes: > Paul SERIOUSLY do you know if this blues/covers by the stars lp is still out > there!!!!! > I got to hear Sid james doing syd Barrett!!!! > more info please. > David in Cornwall > ///// well mute don't tend to delete anything so i bet they've still got millions of 'em (try www.mutelibtech.com). the one with bike on is called "blues" and its pretty good (in a early 90's electropop way). the one with "layla" is called "bad head park" and is pretty shite. these are real bargain bin specials , i've got a handful of 12"'s and 2 albums and i bet the lot cost me about #2. i wouldn't pay a lot for any of this stuff , if you can't pick one up cheap i'll burn you a copy. mute tried really hard to push them but i don't think they sold at all. i start counting went much the same way IIRC. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:48:03 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] FORTRAN 5 aka I START COUNTING while we are on the subject of Fortran 5, i must say that i enjoyed their previous incarnation as I Start Counting....I Start Counting were definately more versatile..running the gamut from found sound and industrial type instrumentals (see There is Always the Unexpected) to clever and cracked pop songs (see My Translucent Hands,Cranley Gardens, Cooler Than Calcutta, Grasssnake, Modern Sunbathing) to dancefloor fodder (Lose Him) to straight ahead synth pop (Letters to a Friend, Still Smiling, You and i)....Some of the Fortran 5 stuff was ok but it was definately more one dimensional ...quirky dance music that didn't really stand a chance making it to the dancefloors of the early 90's with the exception of the Moby remix of Heart on the Line, which was just ravey enough..... i'd suggest the two I Start Counting lps "My Translucent Hands" and "Fused" to anyone that like quirky synth music...There's also a compilation that has many of the best tracks from both lps... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:51:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? > ///// sid james died around the same time as sid vicious , i do recall a single by wavis o'shave at the time called "sid is dead" (naturally a tribute to the walnut faced old letch not mr beverley/ritchie) > sid james fans (and , lets face it , who isn't ) should check out the "blues" lp by fortran 5 i met sid james when i was a little lad. he was starring in some end of pier show when we were on holiday one year, and - as we did quite often - we waited around after the show for autographs. my memory of it is pretty vague (i was only about 7 or 8 yrs of age), but my parents have talked about it a lot over the years. everyone else had long gone, and then this scruffy bloke sauntered along the pier towards us - in his barefeet or flip flops i'm not sure which, it's the lack of socks that's stayed with me. anyway it was sid - he was very pleasant and he chatted to us for a bit. my elder sister had most of the signed programmes from those days, but she's got no idea where they are. the only one i can think of that i've got from those old shows is...max bygraves. a cruel twist of fate i reckon! keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:31:54 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite Giluz knew a lump o'mouldy old dough when it crawled in his lug 'oles >>>That's exactly the problem I have with Blur - lots of good will combined with the 'right' influences (which are indeed impressive) is not enough. Some talent could be useful as well. They really epitomise the retro rot of the Britpap cancer that turned attention away from anything interesting going on with the notion that rock bands should no longer rock (El*st*ca & Str*kes also suffer from this). Every record has paper thin plagiarism masquerading as 'cool' influence and they never begin to skirt around the simple idea of transcending their influences. After their turgid twee baggy genesis, which even made those piss poor retro hippy bores Stoned Posers look good for 5 seconds, the most pathetic thing they ever did was try to sound like Pavement. That really was painful to hear. What an inept bunch of tenth rate tossers Blur are! Put Blurb in a room w/Onasis and let masked hate metalloids StrifeKnot machine gun the lot of 'em!!!Nice photo for front cover!!! That'll help the poor ol' eNMEy's flagging sales pitch!!!!!! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/zero21.htm This band is very good http://www.epitonic.com/artists/replicator.html NP King Loser - Caul of the Outlaw (Flying Nun) Excerpt from the Queen Mum's Book of Remembrance: "I think that the Queen Mum and Princess Diana are our very own Twin Trade Towers. At last we can look the people of New York in the face". L.Ward, Mansfield. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:31:03 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Cyberspam - Who is Dr Robert? The 2 'Dr Who at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop' music CDs I have are Volume 1: The Early Years 1963-69 2000 BBC Music WMSF 6023-2 Volume 2: New Beginnings 1970-80 2000 BBC Music WMSF 6024-2 This website is listed on the inserts for more info http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mark_Ayres/drwho.htm Castle Communications have also recently released a compilation of music from the long running cult British time travel adventure series 'Dr Who.' It includes several versions of the theme music which was the first record I ever bought. The scream that opens the 70s version is still the greatest few seconds of noise I've ever heard, a spine tingling door into another world full of lumbering jelly monsters, killer pepper pots and vanishing phone boxes. It was selling for the ludicrously low sum of #2.99 in Piccadilly Records, Manchester (the CD, not the killer pepper pot). Anyone interested in hearing more obscure cuts from the late Delia Derbyshire (who realised the Dr Who theme) should check out this site: http://www.deliaderbyshire.com There are also some interesting interviews with the late lady herself there! I also recommend eccentric actor Tom Baker's autobiography as a hilarious read. He played the role of Dr Who for the latter part of the 70s when I used to watch it every week. Well that's more than enough nostalgia... Where did I leave that sonic screwdriver? Blurbers get off me fackin' scarf already!!!! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/zero21.htm Np Nomeansno One (www.alternativetentacles.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:06:51 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] I'm Happy and i"m Singing... Graeme if you are out there (or anyone else) i'd like your opinion on Jim O'Rourke's album on Mego: "I'm Happy and I'm Singing, and a 1,2,3,4" .....I was thinking about ordering three new Mego cds and i was thinking of adding this as my third pick..or either Potuznik's "Amore Motore" or Russell Haswell's "Live Salvage 1997-2000"....Thanks in advance for any opinions/help... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:12:10 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? >Yep. It was Danny Thompson! Congrats!!! > >Think I'm right in saying he worked with Tim Buckley too. > Yes, you are correct. He was in Tim's pick-up band for the "Dream Letter - Live In London" Queen Elizabeth Hall 1968 concert CD. According to the story, Tim couldn't afford to bring his bass & conga player from the states, so he auditioned Danny, and put him in the show with less than a day of rehearsals. I think Danny accompanied Tim for most of those UK dates - I can't quite find the interview with Danny where I read this stuff. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:43:58 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? Have allready heard Tom Waits latest Rick? I'm curious... Bart > Sounds like some magazines woke up this month. There > was a posting on the Tom Waits list that a recent > issue of GQ has a 10 page interview with Mr Waits and > some great photos as well! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:40:30 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mod Earn Bands were Shite I like Blur, Elastica, Strokes and can't be bothered with all this purist shite... the ideal copy makes me happy... Bart > Giluz knew a lump o'mouldy old dough when it crawled in his lug 'oles >> That's exactly the problem I have with Blur - lots of good will combined >> with the 'right' influences (which are indeed impressive) is not enough. >> Some talent could be useful as well. > > They really epitomise the retro rot of the Britpap cancer that turned > attention away from anything interesting going on with the notion that rock > bands should no longer rock (El*st*ca & Str*kes also suffer from this). > > Every record has paper thin plagiarism masquerading as 'cool' influence and > they never begin to skirt around the simple idea of transcending their > influences. After their turgid twee baggy genesis, which even made those piss > poor retro hippy bores Stoned Posers look good for 5 seconds, the most > pathetic thing they ever did was try to sound like Pavement. That really was > painful to hear. > > What an inept bunch of tenth rate tossers Blur are! > > Put Blurb in a room w/Onasis and let masked hate metalloids StrifeKnot machine > gun the lot of 'em!!!Nice photo for front cover!!! That'll help the poor ol' > eNMEy's flagging sales pitch!!!!!! > > Cracked Machine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:46:45 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guess who? C.T.W. REALLY STANDS FOR......... >>>> I must say it's tempting to call the coming twins Bob & Vic though! >> >>> go on. i dare you ; ) >> >> I might just do that young man! > > > Especially if they're girls! > > Keith Well that WAS what I was aiming for! CTW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:26:45 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] REM without sleep... Trouser Press was an American (published out of NYC) music magazine, though it did have an anglophilic bent. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santa Cruzer" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [idealcopy] REM without sleep... > $.02 Department~ > > I think REM is one of those bands that really > polarizes folks. This thread is certainly supporting > that theory! > > I had a strange intro to them. Around 1980, I bought a > copy of "Trouser Press", a UK music magazine, and > there was a "keep an eye on these guys" section that > talked about Athens and the music scene there. Perhaps > it was how it was written, but I was expecting a very > intense, gothic Bauhaus/Xymox kind of thing and found > "Murmur" really turned me off! I suspect it was a case > of dashed expectations, but they never registered on > my radar after that. > > But after all of the dust settled, I now only own > copies of 'Green' and 'Out of Time' and do enjoy them > quite a bit, although there are a couple of songs on > each of them that are dreadful (IMHO)! > > > << Anyway, although I've bought a couple of their > > earlier ones since (though > > not the two you mention, but I will one day - > > honest!), >> > > > > You really should buy Murmur! One of the great debut > > albums, soundls like it > > was created in its own world. Reckoning is like an > > extension of Murmur, but > > with added pop.... > > > > ===== > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > PO Box 7770 > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > t: (831) 425-7335 > f: (831) 425-7356 > http://3rproductions.com > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:05:34 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cyberspam - Who is Dr Robert?Delia come back all is forgiven BILL. A bit more sound effects/Dr who - information. BBC enterprises 1993 CD release. 30th anniversary 63-93 Dr Who- 30 years at radiophonic workshop/88 tracks Delia compiled this version.. includes "lost pieces" a great compilation . probably still available. BBCCD 871 CHEERS DAVID in Cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hick" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:31 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Cyberspam - Who is Dr Robert? > The 2 'Dr Who at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop' music CDs I have are > > Volume 1: The Early Years 1963-69 > 2000 BBC Music WMSF 6023-2 > > Volume 2: New Beginnings 1970-80 > 2000 BBC Music WMSF 6024-2 > > This website is listed on the inserts for more info > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mark_Ayres/drwho.htm > > Castle Communications have also recently released a compilation of music from > the long running cult British time travel adventure series 'Dr Who.' > > It includes several versions of the theme music which was the first record I > ever bought. The scream that opens the 70s version is still the greatest few > seconds of noise I've ever heard, a spine tingling door into another world > full of lumbering jelly monsters, killer pepper pots and vanishing phone > boxes. > > It was selling for the ludicrously low sum of #2.99 in Piccadilly Records, > Manchester (the CD, not the killer pepper pot). > > Anyone interested in hearing more obscure cuts from the late Delia Derbyshire > (who realised the Dr Who theme) should check out this site: > > http://www.deliaderbyshire.com > > There are also some interesting interviews with the late lady herself there! > > I also recommend eccentric actor Tom Baker's autobiography as a hilarious > read. He played the role of Dr Who for the latter part of the 70s when I used > to watch it every week. > > Well that's more than enough nostalgia... > Where did I leave that sonic screwdriver? > > Blurbers get off me fackin' scarf already!!!! > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/zero21.htm > > Np Nomeansno One (www.alternativetentacles.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] new address Please note that with immediate effect the WMO address should be NOT be used. The PO Box 112 will be defunct at the end of May. 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