From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #164 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 25 2002 Volume 05 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] The Mooney Suzuki ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] the the [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] the the ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] the the [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] the the ["Antony Jordan" ] [idealcopy] Massive Attack future in doubt - NME.COM ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mooney Suzuki > Went to see The Mooney Suzuki at the Monarch last night > Bloody awful.... > They have such > a great name too - although where the Can influence comes in is a mystery to me. > > another the Keith that's a real pity. it is such a great name that i sort of had high hopes for them. read a rather good live review in nme recently, but it was obvious that they weren't can soundalikes - neither should they be, but it is strange why a band would name check another band in their name and then not be influenced by them in any way. keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:30:44 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] the the nice interview with matt johnson in the guardian today , promoting a compilation of early singles. paid tribute to wire and the help they gave him , apparently he's recorded a homage to "the other window" which was a particular favourite of his. not sure what's on this comp. though. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:20:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the On Fri, 24 May 2002 PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > nice interview with matt johnson in the guardian today , promoting a > compilation of early singles. paid tribute to wire and the help they > gave him , apparently he's recorded a homage to "the other window" which > was a particular favourite of his. not sure what's on this comp. though. I got it when it came out, and I have to say, save your money. The remixes aren't worth it, the new tracks certainly aren't worth it, and while it was interesting to hear the Mike Thorne-produced early versions of the singles from Soul Mining, they aren't an improvement. Apparently remastered copies of the whole albums are coming this summer -- badly needed, if you ask me. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:23:27 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the The remixes >aren't worth it, the new tracks certainly aren't worth it, and while it >was interesting to hear the Mike Thorne-produced early versions of the >singles from Soul Mining, they aren't an improvement. ////ah , that reminds me i do own an "uncertain smile" 7" produced by MT , i was surprised when i saw that on the label. and , while i'm a huge fan of a lot of MT's stuff , i must say i thought this wasn't so hot. a dreadful sax solo rather than the jools piano IIRC. Apparently >remastered copies of the whole albums are coming this summer -- badly >needed, if you ask me. ///// at the time i loved infected , though its pretty dated now i guess. i'd like a "controversial subject" single but they're a bit pricey. totally different subject. so who plays drums on "penguin island"? i presume it must be bruce or graham? or maybe robert on the sly (or maxell)? p >a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:38:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the there was an interview with matt in the times recently too. apparently, he's moved from new york and now resides in sweden. whilst were the the-ing, does anyone else out there like his so-called country and western album, the hank williams tribute that is 'hanky panky'. i haven't played it in a while, but i loved it. and the very short extra tracks on the 'i saw the light' single were well worth hearing too. a genuine forgotten talent. fave the the song - well a split vote btwn 'beyond love' and 'love is stronger than death' - and yes i do love the early albums too! keith > > nice interview with matt johnson in the guardian today , promoting a > > compilation of early singles. paid tribute to wire and the help they > > gave him , apparently he's recorded a homage to "the other window" which > > was a particular favourite of his. not sure what's on this comp. though. > > I got it when it came out, and I have to say, save your money. The remixes > aren't worth it, the new tracks certainly aren't worth it, and while it > was interesting to hear the Mike Thorne-produced early versions of the > singles from Soul Mining, they aren't an improvement. Apparently > remastered copies of the whole albums are coming this summer -- badly > needed, if you ask me. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:33:18 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the Speaking of THE THE (Matt Johnson) does anyone know if the "Pornography of Despair" will finally see the light of day during this re-issue campaign.???? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:34:48 +0100 From: "Antony Jordan" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the Does anyone know if the reissues are coming with bonus tracks? Tony - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the > Speaking of THE THE (Matt Johnson) does anyone know if the "Pornography of > Despair" will finally see the light of day during this re-issue campaign.???? > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:05:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the << otally different subject. so who plays drums on "penguin island"? i presume it must be bruce or graham? or maybe robert on the sly (or maxell)? p >> It's Robert. The tapes are from the A-Z sessions - Man the lifeboats is I've waited ages, and The Gymnast is B. The only other track with any form of "drums" is A caste from Hawaii, whichhas a sort of Dome tape thing - which could be based on the Rolling upon my day cassette of ...Robert. Colin uses the I've waited ages tape on at least two more songs. It's speeded up on Singing Fish (think it's fish 9) and also it's on one of the unreleased songs from the Venue in 82, where Robert tapes feature on many of the songs. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:20:44 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the and also it's on one of the unreleased > songs from the Venue in 82, where Robert tapes feature on > many of the songs. > /////so what was the live line up at those 2 venue gigs then? was there a drummer too? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:22:59 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT]Andrew McKenzie i wish this were not true...the work of Andrew McKenzie has always been a great influence upon me..a true innovator and experimentalist in the field of sound and electronic music/noise ..... The Hafler Trio cds were always great treasures to find with the strange and exquisite packaging and the even stranger music contained therein...The Hafler Trio always managed to make you think that you held in your hands the most important cd in the world...Each release was a worthy adventure in sound...cds such as Mastery of Money, Kill the King, A Thirsty Fish, How to Reform Mankind, Fuck, etc. were great creations from the minds of intelligent and creative people (was the esteemed Dr. Edward Moolenbeek a real person?)..Maybe a miracle will happen and Andrew will get better (or will have been mis-diagnosed)...If not, i hope he has a peaceful exit from this world and that his children and loved ones will be ok.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:57:02 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] nostalgia... for all you sad ol punks out there i see a 2 day punk tv special. on (ha ha) uk play , 21.00 - 02.00 on 3rd and 4th june. no idea what the hell this is , but that's one load of programming. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:57:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the the << /////so what was the live line up at those 2 venue gigs then? was there a drummer too? p >> 1981 gig - CN vocals/guitar, Des guitar/vocals, Simon Gilham bass/vocals, RG drums 1982 gig - CN vocals/gtr, Simon G guitar/vocals, Charles Arthur bass. (the 'We menas we starts' line-up). Drums on tape (Colin refers to the varispeed being on during the gig). Mostly tapes of Rob, though the Linn drum program from We means we starts gets used (this was done by Tom Morley out of Scritti Politti). Remove for improvement, no doubt and HCTFR were just colin singing along to the taped full instrumental backing. (ND & HCTFR are 'Fish' tracks). At the end of RFI Simon G and Charles A "removed" colin in comedy style! They did a good job - he didn't return to the stage for more than 3 years! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:34:59 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mooney Suzuki >but it is strange why a band would name check another band in their name >and then not be influenced by them in any way. > >keith i know what you're saying Keith, but isn't that a bit too obvious? i think i'd rather have a band call themselves, for arguments sake, 'Strictly Personal', and NOT sound anything like Beefheart... i don't remember anything particularly Barrett-esque about The Gigolo Aunts either... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:47:47 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Guardian/music reviews ...and they've finally 'discovered' the joys of The Shins' 'Oh, Inverted World' after the NME 'discovered' them...just less than 12 months after the LP's release...better later than never...? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:41:28 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mooney Suzuki So where does this leave the Ex-Lion Tamers, eh? Mark ;-) << >but it is strange why a band would name check another band in their name >and then not be influenced by them in any way. > >keith i know what you're saying Keith, but isn't that a bit too obvious? i think i'd rather have a band call themselves, for arguments sake, 'Strictly Personal', and NOT sound anything like Beefheart... i don't remember anything particularly Barrett-esque about The Gigolo Aunts either... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:01:28 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mooney Suzuki > >but it is strange why a band would name check another band in their name > >and then not be influenced by them in any way. > >keith > > i'd rather have a band call themselves, for arguments sake, 'Strictly > Personal', and NOT sound anything like Beefheart... > i don't remember anything particularly Barrett-esque about The Gigolo Aunts > either... ;) > ian.s.j. i was convinced that part of the reason that the mock turtles were called thus was in homage to a julian cope b-side - and read their initial interviews purely for that reason. in one of those life mirroring 'annie hall' moments (well almost), some years later i was able to ask their guitarist martin (as opposed to their singer martin) if this was correct. it wasn't! incidentally, just watched stephen fry on 'jonathan ross' and was reminded of the time some years ago when he was asked what music he liked, and he replied in his unique manner, something like, 'well have you ever heard my bloody valentine. they're a smashing group'. incongruous or what??? keith n.p. moloko - pure pleasure seeker (single) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:42:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] GSTQ Below is the Stephen Wells review of GSTQ from the nme website.... Keith Stand to attention, you slack-jawed, baggy-arsed little bastards, you are in the presence of greatness. These 'dance' re-mixes are the sort of quarter-arsed shite that any one of you could have knocked off in five minutes using one of them dodgy DJ programmes you can download off the net. While severely skunkblasted. But you get the original as well, and everything the Sex Pistols ever recorded still sounds like the entire Royal Family were hung from meathooks and savagely battered by cricket bat wielding mental patients at the back of the studio. Which, apparently, they weren't. Shame. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 01:32:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Massive Attack future in doubt - NME.COM yet more rumours - c/o nme - concerning massive attack's future. let's = hope there's no substance to this. http://www.nme.com/news/101863.htm [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Massive Attack future in doubt - NME.COM.url] ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #164 *******************************