From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #160 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 21 2002 Volume 05 : Number 160 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Willfully obscure ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Misbehaving Atoms (very long, and half a mile off topic a... ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] OT: Bill Hick ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] Willfully obscure [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] The Auteurs [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] 1st gigs ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] A Void in a Mute ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] Re: Rob vs Graeme! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Rob vs Graeme! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Rob vs Graeme! [RLynn9@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:10:48 +0100 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Willfully obscure Graeme slapped his critics, then whipped out his naivety for all to see: > > I have observed more campness in men who prefer to have sexual > relationships with other men than in those who prefer the company of a > woman. > > There are no homosexual people, just homosexual acts. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:47:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Misbehaving Atoms (very long, and half a mile off topic a... > > hey robert. maybe we should get married!!! > > > > the king of um ; ) > ok, but does this mean that we get to share our Gilbert O'Sullivan records > and crappy fanzines? > Robert the ring's in the post ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:38:12 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (offtopic) Die Todliche Doris I think it was Dave from Cornwall and Mark Bursa discussing the above recently. It turns out that a CD of some of their output has just been issued on the Psychedelic Pig label called "Kinderringelreihen Fur Wahren Toren Des Grals" which is reviewed in the new edition of The Wire (still no Read & Burn coverage as far as I could tell, though). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:30:25 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glam Wreck! - ----- Original Message ----- From: > "Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse" > GARDEN Tempo House, shurely ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:41:39 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Bill Hick Hi everyone In the interests of my sanity and the fact that I've got lots of things to do: any chance you ladies and gentlemen can put 'OT: Bill Hick' in the title of the email when responding to the great man's outpourings, so that I can automatically delete them along with the originals? Cheers John _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:55:24 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Willfully obscure At 11:10 AM 5/20/2002 +0100, Jerry wrote: >Graeme slapped his critics, then whipped out his naivety for all to see: >> >> I have observed more campness in men who prefer to have sexual >> relationships with other men than in those who prefer the company of a >> woman. >> >> There are no homosexual people, just homosexual acts. Now, to be fair to our Mr. Hick, his position on this might be a lot like my own, where I'd put sexual preference on a continuum instead of some sort of strict either/or basis, though I would suggest that where you are on the continuum is mostly attributable to your wiring. Or maybe he's offering a parody of right-wing cant, or doing a very subversive reading of it! ;-) But then again, that's putting words in his ticking mouth... On a completely different subject, I didn't receive a Klez-carrying e-mail all weekend, which means that either the infected person didn't turn on his/her computer (speaking of the continuum of sexual preference?), or he or she detected or fixed the problem. I'm hoping for the latter. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:30:32 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] OT: the worm in the bottle You were expecting a "Bill Hick"-related post? ;-) Naah, I just wanted to mention that I didn't receive a Klez-infected e-mail all weekend, meaning that the infected current or former listmember probably didn't power on his or her computer. But today at about 14:09 GMT, the usual trio of wormy Klez messages went out to me. Again, this might not be any of you reading this now, but if this description fits you (didn't have your computer on all weekend, turned your computer on around 1400 GMT today), you might want to run a virus scan just to be safe. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:43:00 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] 1st gigs I know it seems a bit late in the day to be responding to this topic, but, it's been pretty busy in work lately...here goes anyway: amongst the first gigs I rememember are The Ramones in a cinema in Phibsboro in Dublin, c.77/8. Support was provided by Austrailian band The Snips. The singer had a long white smock, which, by the end of their set was completely covered in gobs. Joey Ramone's Gabba Gabba Hey placard was hilarious. I live near Phibsboro now, and was buying a wardrobe recently, in this massive showroom. It suddenly clicked. This is where I saw The Ramones! Felt wierd - first time in the building since that gig... Also around the same time was Lou Reed in Dublin's Stadium (one time boxing ring). For some reason, Reed wanted all the house lights left on. Looked awful. The set wasn't bad from what I can remember. Also circa 77/8, in Dublin's famous Dandelion Market was a cramped garage space where young Dublin bands strutted their stuff. U2 were playing this particular weekend. They were fairly unknown at this stage and had just released their first single. It was 50p in. Bono was wearing a black polo neck with a hole cut out for one of his nipples to so daringly peep through. Adam boke a string at one stage, so Bono told jokes. I remember leaving before the end. The first and last time I saw them as very soon after that they became fairly unbearable (as we all know). Gas to look back on it though, especially in terms of the stadiums they now fill at greatly inflated prices. Fergus _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:08:22 +0200 From: fernando Subject: [idealcopy] The Auteurs Hmmm... glad to read the comments below.. I do think that the Auteurs are one of the best bands of the 90s, if not the best, and definitely one of the most consistent album-wise... though I still prefer the first. Oh hell, it is hard to choose... there are even some choice bits in their last album. As for a single album... well, there are other choices. ;-) cheers! - -fernando At 17:26 Uhr -0400 19.05.2002, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Andrew, > ><< It certainly makes Steve Albini choosing to produce the Auteurs' very, > very underrated, but very *very* warped, "After Murder Park" (chief > lyrical concerns: vaguely misogynistic sex, and child murder) slightly > more explicable.<< > >Not underrated in these parts. Quite possibly the best British album of the >1990s. Only let down by the inferior version of Light Aircraft on Fire. The >single version (with added swearing - there's irony for you) should have been >included... > > >>The Auteurs have always had a very English, vaguely camp, vaguely > menacing style. I like them quite a lot, but that's just because my > natural sense of humour is somewhere near to uncut vitrol, I suspect :) >> > >Luke Haines is supporting Television at the QEH next month.... > >Mark - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:02:29 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 1st gigs I live near >Phibsboro now, and was buying a wardrobe recently, in this massive showroom. >It suddenly clicked. This is where I saw The Ramones! Felt wierd - first >time in the building since that gig... > the site of the pistols' '78 memphis gig -- 2nd stop of their fatal u.s. tour -- is now a taco bell (not that far from sun studio). makes one wonder if that smell in the bathroom might not be sid ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:36:05 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Void in a Mute >...& "Dripplethweep." i know an Ivor Cutler rip-off when i see one... surely an out-take from 'Fremsley'...? ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:58:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] the chelsea hotel, nyc > the site of the pistols' '78 memphis gig -- 2nd stop of their fatal u.s. > tour -- is now a taco bell (not that far from sun studio). makes one wonder > if that smell in the bathroom might not be sid ... > dan this reminded me of something... about 7-8 yrs ago, we were visiting some friends who were living in new york for a year. they arranged the accomodation and of all the places to book us in they chose the legendary chelsea hotel! anyway, whilst there I noticed that there was a rather unsightly brown stain on the bottom of the mattress which resembled dried blood (and which i jokingly though might be nancy's...) now i don't know if anyone else here has ever stayed at what is probably 'rocks most famous hotel', but it was quite a weird place - with lots of rather strange looking people just hanging around in the foyer as if they just wanted . whilst i was staying there, i was talking to the guy who owns the hotel. when he found out i was from wales, he mentioned that the poet dylan thomas had stayed there. i was already aware of this as i had read that thomas actually died there (as well as ms spungen - and yes, the high mortality rate of residents was a concern!), but when i mentioned thomas death to the proprietor he was extremely defensive and said, "no, he was staying here when he felt unwell. he went to hospital and died THERE". he was VERY put out! oops!!! he was quite a nice guy, but he was obviously just defensive about his hotel - this, after all, is the man who when a blood sodden sid tried to return to the hotel again after spungens death had been discovered, refused him entry! also, in the reception area, there was a photo copy of a lenthy newspaper article about the hotel, but then in the middle, someone had blacked out a few lines that I presumed contained something he didn't like, but - and this quite amused me - not enough to not put the article up in the first place!) keith n.p. lee perry - magnetic mirror master mix ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:01:49 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Eric Burdon's Brains Burn In Hell... my thoughts in 3 words...? shit piss fuck ian.s.j. >tim said > > > This series of Later has followed a rather depressing formula: > > > > > 2. 'Living Legend' who is well past their best (i.e Elvis Costello, >Eric > > > Burdon :reggae version of 'Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood' >anyone?) > > >keith said > > eric burdons version of 'misunderstood' was probably the worst moment on >the > > series. it was truly dire! > > > >i've just watched this again, to see if it was as bad as i thought. it was. >and i think 'misunderstood' is a great song. burden's voice was poor and >the >arrangement was awful. quite a shocking version really. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:14:22 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Eric Burdon's Brains Burn In Hell... > my thoughts in 3 words...? > > shit piss fuck > > ian.s.j. > isn't that a line from 'the taking of pelham 123' !!! keith > >tim said > > > > This series of Later has followed a rather depressing formula: > > > > > > > 2. 'Living Legend' who is well past their best (i.e Elvis Costello, > >Eric > > > > Burdon :reggae version of 'Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood' > >anyone?) > > > > >keith said > > > eric burdons version of 'misunderstood' was probably the worst moment on > >the > > > series. it was truly dire! > > > > > > > >i've just watched this again, to see if it was as bad as i thought. it was. > >and i think 'misunderstood' is a great song. burden's voice was poor and > >the > >arrangement was awful. quite a shocking version really. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Eric Burdon's Brains Burn In Hell... There was a "this day in rock history" spot on a local radio station when I was still a restaurant cook. Anyway, one day they mentioned that: "On this day in 1972, Eric Burdon left the Animals to pursue an acting career in Hollywood" And at that, I and the other cook (we had similar senses of humor) looked at each other and almost in unison said "And the rest is movie history!"! We got A LOT of humor mileage out of that one! my $.02 ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:59:37 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Eric Burdon's Brains Burn In Hell... On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 11:14:22PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > my thoughts in 3 words...? > > > > shit piss fuck > > > > ian.s.j. > > > > isn't that a line from 'the taking of pelham 123' !!! Or a lyric from Nirvana's "Tourettes", near enough... Andrew (making contentless posts all over the net since 1993) :) - -- "Maybe I'm crazy, maybe diminished; maybe I'm innocent, maybe I'm finished, Maybe I blacked out - how, how do I play this?" - - R.E.M. , 'Diminished' ("Up") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:50:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the chelsea hotel, nyc oops. didn't finish this sentence! > now i don't know if anyone else here has ever stayed at what is probably > 'rocks most famous hotel', but it was quite a weird place - with lots of > rather strange looking people just hanging around in the foyer as if they > just wanted . > to be part of what they perceived the hotel to stand for. (i know it wasn't worth waiting for, but i couldn't leave it like that) keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: dan bailey ; idealcopy Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: the chelsea hotel, nyc > > the site of the pistols' '78 memphis gig -- 2nd stop of their fatal u.s. > > tour -- is now a taco bell (not that far from sun studio). makes one > wonder > > if that smell in the bathroom might not be sid ... > > dan > > this reminded me of something... > > about 7-8 yrs ago, we were visiting some friends who were living in new york > for a year. they arranged the accomodation and of all the places to book us > in they chose the legendary chelsea hotel! anyway, whilst there I noticed > that there was a rather unsightly brown stain on the bottom of the mattress > which resembled dried blood (and which i jokingly though might be > nancy's...) > > now i don't know if anyone else here has ever stayed at what is probably > 'rocks most famous hotel', but it was quite a weird place - with lots of > rather strange looking people just hanging around in the foyer as if they > just wanted . > > whilst i was staying there, i was talking to the guy who owns the hotel. > when he found out i was from wales, he mentioned that the poet dylan thomas > had stayed there. i was already aware of this as i had read that thomas > actually died there (as well as ms spungen - and yes, the high mortality > rate of residents was a concern!), but when i mentioned thomas death to the > proprietor he was extremely defensive and said, "no, he was staying here > when he felt unwell. he went to hospital and died THERE". he was VERY put > out! oops!!! > > he was quite a nice guy, but he was obviously just defensive about his > hotel - this, after all, is the man who when a blood sodden sid tried to > return to the hotel again after spungens death had been discovered, refused > him entry! also, in the reception area, there was a photo copy of a lenthy > newspaper article about the hotel, but then in the middle, someone had > blacked out a few lines that I presumed contained something he didn't like, > but - and this quite amused me - not enough to not put the article up in the > first place!) > > keith > > n.p. lee perry - magnetic mirror master mix ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:27:13 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lame Stab at Bastard > Personally i hated "Bastard" and thought it was a really lame stab at > the > > current trends in "dance" music.... ok.....i just re-purchased Colin Newman's "Bastard".......i would like to state that i was wrong (for the most part) about the album....It doesn't really sound (as a whole) like much that i remember from back then...the couple of drum & bass type tracks still sound a bit derivitave and one of the tracks sounds like a slowed down Black Dog track that i'll be damned if i can remember...i'll have to dig out my Black Dog stuff later...Actually, Bastard is an enjoyable enough listen though it doesn't blow me away...glad i purchased it again.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:10:45 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Tony Wilson gets day job back Weirdly timed to coincide with the 25th anniversary of punk and all that....Wilson is back to square one .Would have made a great ending to the film. http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,717505,00.html Funny that. In the 80s Frank Bough got the sack for being involved in drugs and sex scandals. In 2002 The opposite happens to Wilson! ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:02:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Tony Wilson gets day job back Tim, << Weirdly timed to coincide with the 25th anniversary of punk and all that....Wilson is back to square one .Would have made a great ending to the film. http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,717505,00.html >> And on the same page.... Swiss Toni gets own BBC series http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,717551,00.html Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:16:11 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Rob vs Graeme! Robert wrote after Graeme: > >>>but 'new forms' is much better than the drum'n'bass stuff on 'bastard', > >And that is YOUR opinion, as Robert Lynn could so usefully and insightfully >explain to you, just in case you didn't realise it already. > >In what way is Size 'better' than Bastard? I don't think much of Roni Size, or Colin Newmans attempts at Drum & Bass actually. Drum & Bass is all finished now isn't it? For the record I reckon Omni Trio made the best singles. The best Drum & Bass album ever made is 'Drum & Bass For Papa' by Plug. That one still sounds good now....post D&B! There seems to be a lot of fighting between you Robert and Graeme. From an observers point of view, it seems to me that you are both misunderstanding each others intentions in your postings and taking things the wrong way. Mr Rowland isn't helping by using rather elitist, parochial language in his replies to US-based Robert....in other words Robert, he's trying to make a monkey outta you! "I suppose thats the disadvantage...of not speaking a second language." ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:45:23 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Rob vs Graeme! In a message dated 5/20/02 8:17:03 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > There seems to be a lot of fighting between you Robert and Graeme. > not really RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:45:07 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Rob vs Graeme! In a message dated 5/20/02 8:17:03 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > The best Drum & Bass album ever made is 'Drum & Bass For Papa' by Plug. > That one still sounds good now....post D&B! > yeah i'd have to agree...that is one of the best..but let's not forget some of the squarepusher and aphex stuff....as well as lots of the Looking Good label stuff Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:46:18 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Rob vs Graeme! In a message dated 5/20/02 8:17:03 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > Mr Rowland isn't helping by using rather elitist, parochial > language in his replies to US-based Robert....in other words Robert, he's > trying to make a monkey outta you! > what else is new?...i'm not all that worried about it...i am not an insecure little man... RL ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #160 *******************************