From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #158 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 19 2002 Volume 05 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy]OT: TELEVISION ["John Roberts" ] [idealcopy] Glam Wreck! ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] A Void in a Mute ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Turntable Hell ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] bass, how low can you go? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Then a pause for a German phrase ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] SOLI Tab ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Lame Stab at Bastard ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Your Hole is Full ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] An "Old Fart" at Play (Avert Your Gaze) ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Glam Wreck! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Misbehaving Atoms ["Keith Astbury" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:18:26 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy]OT: TELEVISION This doesn't seem to have been mentioned on the list yet. Noticed in the Guardian yesterday that Television are playing Bowie's Meltdown do at the RFH. They play on June 19 and June 20. Luke Haines supports on 19th and Stew on the 20th. The Television dates don't appear to be recent additions which surprises me that nobody has mentioned it on the list. Anyone going? However, just added are: Philip Glass' Low and Heroes Symphonies 13 June; Fischerspooner 21 June (with Gonzalez supporting - surely not I Haven't Stopped Dancing Yet?); The The with support Baby Zizanie (feat. Jim Foetus). Website: www.rfh.org.uk/meltdown Cheers John >From: Mr Grumpy >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] Colin's video >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT) > >I was just on the Beggars Banquet site and I found >this >http://www.beggars.com/mp3/video/collinnewman_b.mov > >It's really tiny, but kinda fun. > >Billy > >===== >/\/\/\ { . . } /\ > -- -bollocks! (R)GWS >Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:11:35 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Glam Wreck! The King of Um urred >>>do the fall and 'progression' go together??? "Roll up for the underpants show" If you listen to all the albums in chronological order there are obvious progressions both lyrically and musically up until Perverted by Language, although Room To Live sounds like a continuation of the mighty Hex Enduction Hour (but with clearer production). The repetition gets honed and refined. Lyrics generally move into ever more esoteric & hermetic territory, and get funnier. The music gets stranger up until Hex and by Perverted they've mastered the epic repetition scheme and move on. "The Dutch are weeping in four languages" The most interesting Fall songs lyrically occur around Perverted time (Wings, Man Whose Head Expanded, Garden, Tempo House, Neighbourhood of Infinity). "The man whose head expanded applied cut up technique literally to brain" Then Brix takes a major songwriting role and they get harder hitting clearer production and the next 2 albums take avant rockabilly pills. From Bend Sinister the sound stays fairly constant with generally very slightly diminishing returns until Brix leaves (Seminal Live). "Here are your wedding pictures - they are black" Extricate is the first time lock, as original guitarist Martin Bramah briefly returns. The Fall soon extricates from time lock. A new progression begins when Dave Bush comes on board, from Shiftwork to Infotainment Scan they get better at integrating computer noises into rock music. "Five years in a PC camp" Then time locks get hit with Cerebral Caustic and most other albums since that. "Tongue horns belched fire" A lot of the Fall's progress has been through bringing new people with new approaches in regularly. Even if you can't hear any kind of progression, the Fall have never sounded the same for more than 2-3 albums. "I'm the sort that gets out of the bath with a dirty face" Anyone who listened to Dragnet or Grotesque followed by The Infotainment Scan or Shiftwork and considered that the band had made no musical progress on any level would have to be deaf! Even just in terms of tighter playing and slicker sound a progression seems obvious. "He's thick but he struck it rich!" >>>i thought that they were simply 'the fall' (no insult intended), a band that went off at interesting tangents (rockabilly, brix pop, glam drums) but were essentially always the fall. Those aren't really things about the Fall that interest me. I'd say the major interesting aspects are / were: the three R's (repetition-repetition-repetition), Scanlon & Brix idiosyncratic guitar riffs, MES hilarious lyrics and singing, disregard of conventional recording techniques and vacuous rock star postures, and later an idiosyncratic use of keyboards / computers. 'Brix pop' is a lazy cliche (unless referring to the Adult Net). Riley was just as poppy really. Rebellious Jukebox is as poppy as CREEP (which was actually played live before Brix joined). Diceman is as poppy as Hey Luciani, etc. "The hostesses were all Muslims" Whilst Brix was in the band they were also recording experimental tracks like Haf Found Bormann, Mollusc in Tyrol, Bug Day, Sleep Debt Snatches, Win Fall CD. The rockabilly aspect seems less a tangent than a foundation. Never in Gene Vincent's wildest nightmares... "Simple Minds were always crap regardless of the look back bores" >>>last time i saw them circa '97, MES put the mic in the open bass drum and then walked off. every time the drummer hit that particular drum, the noise was this horrible, distorted (and very LOUD) thud... The whole gig sounded like that the last time I saw The Unutterable Fall. It worked for Serum (which MES didn't bother singing). Last great gig I saw them do was in 97 at Manchester Rockworld, with 2 keyboards shortly before Levitate. Encore: Lie Dream of a Casino Soul. I've seen them / him 4 times since Hanley & Burns walked out and all have been pretty dull. No matter how hard I try not to bother, somehow I find myself materialising at Fall gigs. Perhaps it just became a habit after so many gigs. Amusingly one gig round Marshal Suite time here was advertised with posters reading Mark E Smith and the Fall. "I was not stoned, professor" The Unutterable line up didn't seem up to much live (except one time at Planet K at the moments when Julia Nagle was really on with the keyboards) but fantastic in the studio. "If you listen to Simple Minds reformation you will end up eyeball injecting with Domestos" Wonder if the rest of them are still recording together? Julia Nagle in particular has an under appreciated talent. It might be interesting if she and Brix got a band together. "Moron is waiting for U2 to come on MTV again" The latest group just sound like some bar band MES picked up and told what to play. The guitar player is hands down the least interesting guitarist the Fall have ever had - very normal. MES should make him play it upside down or something. "Academic male slags reel off names of books and bands" A lot of Fall fans seem easily satisfied though. If Colin hired a new band and played old blues and rockabilly covers and forgot most of the words to the songs and walked off halfway through the gig and passed it off as Wire, he might have a hard time of it... "Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse" PUB QUIZ: Name all the songs the lyrics in this mail are quoted from and win a hideous replica of a horror in clay. "The future hit today!" Lets make haste to the valley of weights... NP Guided by Voices - Peel session 1999 Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > * The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert. Afterwards, Moses went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten ammendments. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 02:55:38 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] A Void in a Mute << EMI ACQUIRES MUTE >> >ugh..... >>Robert Lynn Thanks for an illuminating commentary on the situation, almost neanderthal in its aphorism. To which I'd add, "Argh," "Yump" & "Dripplethweep." And note that the Mute website suggests that questioning everything is a good idea. Maybe Miller could entice a few EMI pop stars onto the roster? Surely the irony isn't lost on Wire! Obviously EMI just want 2nd Gen. *Double and treble the locks on your door Robert Rental... Michael Karoli... Fad Tovey... Who next? Are EMI slowly bumping off all the less lucrative Mute artists so that they can delete the back catalog with little protest? They've been even sneakier with Jon Spencer. When they replaced him with Shakin' Stevens, hardly a soul noticed! A&R Dept Memo: "Hey, jolly ol' Nick, time for another duet with Kylie? We know how you admire her body (of work)." > > * Solomon, one of David's sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:55:01 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Turntable Hell Witnessed in Manchester Friday Martin Tetreault's Turntable Hell When Otomo Yoshihide is in town he should never be missed. Rumour from reliable source: Boredoms likely to perform in UK before end of year. You still have a chance to hear this experimental extravaganza from all corners in the South of England - London QEH Monday, check this site for details... http://www.cmntours.org.uk NP Marina Rosenfeld - 2002 3" CD-R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:59:40 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bass, how low can you go? > on 10/05/02 23:08, Bill Hick at umur_ot@hotmail.com wrote: > > > There's a similar cut-up approach to recording on some Boredoms records, the > > first track on Super AE and Super Roots 6 and the remixes on Super Roots 7 & > > 8. Both bands have motorik momentum and achieve lift off in live settings and > > recordings. Wire are more concise. > > Right, I also thought of Boredoms as the first (and maybe only) example, > though I suspect that Boredoms use less editing, or maybe their editing is > less electronic and more analogue in its nature (i.e. Boredoms tend to rely > more on the actual live recordings and edit them just to make them > [relatively] shorter or more comprehensive, while Wire do a sort of a > reconstruction of the whole track when they edit and use the editing process > as part of the composing process. This is, of course, a generalisation for > both bands and only points at directions). Some of the tracks on Rovo, > especially the drums editing are more concise and 'electronic'. > > Know any other artists that use similar methods? > > Giluz > Try these... Melt Banana http://meltbanana.freewebspace.com/multimedia.html Elders of Zion http://www.epitonic.com/artists/eldersofzion.html Matmos http://www.epitonic.com/artists/matmos.html > > * When the three wise guys from the east side arrived, they found Jesus in the manager. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 01:33:36 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Songs about Skrewing >>>He also mentions a list of bands he likes, which includes Skrewdriver for some reason. Because he was able to enjoy their music without being bothered by their retarded political posturing. He felt they delivered their stupidity with conviction. << Mission of Bursa: >>>Not so. If you listen to All Skrewed Up, their debut album, you'll find there is no evidence of Skrewdriver's unpleasant politics. It's a pretty good slab of 77 punk nihilism, bereft of pretty much any form of political posturing, retarded or sophisticated. It's easy to see why songs like Antisocial or You're so dumb appealed to Albini. I would doubt he knew of the existence of any later albums. My commentary on Steve Albini's opinion on SD was a recollection of him being asked about liking them in view of their politics in some interview years ago. I was paraphrasing his reply, which seemed to imply he was well aware of their fascist stance. I guess we could email him and ask him, but there's about 100000000000000 more interesting things I could think to ask instead... > > * The greatest miracle in the Bible is when Joshua told his son to stand still and he obeyed him. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 01:52:09 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Then a pause for a German phrase Rick paused for a German phrase and then Howard mistook a map ref >>>I think there is a German electronica label called Earworm so that would make sense. Address on my copy of Stars of the Lid's "Maneuvering the Nocturnal Hum" for Earworm is 8a Penwith Rd, London SW18. I could be wrong, but I think the label recently stopped (artfully). Of course there might also be a German label with the same name.There were 2 Up records and how many Neil Youngs are there? NP Melt Banana - Creeps in a White Cake Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > * Jesus enunciated the Golden Rule, which says to do one to others before they do one to you. He also explained, "a man doth not live by sweat alone." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 02:35:11 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] No Time For Bickerers? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Riff Meet Aphorism > In a message dated 5/13/02 1:16:59 PM Central Daylight Time, > umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > << NP Coil - Lost Rivers of London > >> The Queen of Ur ummed > isn't this a bit "old" by your standards?..shouldn't you be listening to > something brand new and trailblazing in the current music scene? > > RL > Only by standards you have set for me. > > * Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then Joshua led the Hebrews in the battle of Geritol. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 02:40:14 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] SOLI Tab Craig requested >>>Additionally, I'd still welcome more tab for the site, if anyone's a budding guitarist with a penchant for playing Wire (and related) tracks. Anyone worked out SOLI yet? NP Sator Rotas (www.a-musik.com) > > * The people who followed the lord were called the 12 decibels. The epistles were the wives of the apostles. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 02:51:45 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Lame Stab at Bastard > In a message dated 5/13/02 1:16:59 PM Central Daylight Time, > umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > << Robert hated it > >>>Personally i hated "Bastard" and thought it was a really lame stab at the > current trends in "dance" music.... > > The only substandard track on Bastard which succumbs to sounding too much > like > something else is 'G-Deep'. > > and that is YOUR opinion.... Wrong again. Its Stan Laurel's opinion. There's a direct line to his ka here as he traverses the dark corridors of The Western Lands. >i worked in a dj/dance music specialty store for > 7 years That's very impressive. What a shame you don't give any examples to back up YOUR opinion. >and when that album came out it sounded like a lot of other records > that i was hearing day in day out....my ears hear it differently than you > do... > > RL > What are these records? Which tracks do they remind you of? In what respect do they recall Bastard? What was May a 'lame stab' at sounding like? Is there anything that sounds like 'Spaced In'? Can you name a track that sounds like 'Orange House & Blue House' but stabs less lamely? Or are we just supposed to be impressed by the fact that you worked in a record shop and take your word for it? Obviously Bastard was influenced by things Colin was listening to 5-8 years ago, ie. not Elastica. > > * The seventh commandment is thou shalt not admit adultery. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 03:02:33 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Your Hole is Full - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Camp Wound > In a message dated 5/13/02 1:17:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > << Could the fact that the core of Coil are a gay couple have more to do with > any > campery there than nazi shtick? >> > The Queen of Ur ummed > so i guess that what you are saying is that gay men = camp ? thank you for > being their spokesperson... > > RL > It was phrased as a question, not a statement. There are camp moments in Coil records, but I do not believe this to be because of any perceived interest in Nazism. I have observed more campness in men who prefer to have sexual relationships with other men than in those who prefer the company of a woman. There are no homosexual people, just homosexual acts. (yawn) > > * David was a Hebrew king skilled at playing the liar. He fought with the Finklesteins, a race of people who lived in Biblical times. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 03:00:18 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] An "Old Fart" at Play (Avert Your Gaze) I thought Bastard sounded uniquely Newmanish > I don't think any of it sounds like Roni Size The King of Um urred >>>hate to disappoint you, Actually if you said you bore me you'd be closer to the mark. >>>but 'new forms' is much better than the drum'n'bass stuff on 'bastard', And that is YOUR opinion, as Robert Lynn could so usefully and insightfully explain to you, just in case you didn't realise it already. In what way is Size 'better' than Bastard? >>>but then i'm not blinded by a "it's colin so it's best" mentality. Nor am I. The fact that I didn't much care for the Oracle CD is proof of that. Colin has literally blinded me momentarily by shining a light right into my eyes, however. >>>whilst drum'n'bass isn't my fave genre (that's gilbert o'sullivan obviously), Maybe this genre O'Sullivan has an email list you could join? You wouldn't want to miss his exciting tour! *G O'S THREAD TERMINATES >>>'new forms' was a pretty exciting record at the time, and it's silly to pretend otherwise. Nothing wrong with silliness! Nothing wrong with pretending! Roni Size always struck me as the coffee table muzak end of drum'n'bass that people who wanted to look like they were into drum'n'bass but weren't greatly bought. FWIW I found his music bland. A more relevant comparison for Bastard would be Ghost by Third Eye Foundation, at least in terms of combining guitar loops with d'n'b rhythm. Bowery Electric also seem a more apt comparison, particularly for Turn. That's not to say these recordings sound the same or better, just that they tap out a similar hybrid zeitgeist. >>>(god knows how an old fart like me came to hear it. i must have had a rare nostalgia free day, when i wasn't listening to dr robert, the jam or gently strumming the hits of the mama's & papa's on my acoustic) God is a mere Control mechanism which the weak willed use as a crutch for their confused minds. Keep strumming those fucking guitars! >>>anyway, 'bastard' is better when it's being colin ('spaced in' is one of those moments and so are the tracks on the two 'swim team' compilations), It's all Colin and Malka. There were influences, including Ed Rush / Optical. Colin also had unique guitar riffs, a few of which may have been blinding (Spaced In, Orange House). >>>in the same way that roni size attempts at post-punk pop would be unlikely to equal 'not to'. Was "Not To" really an attempt to do post-punk? (Yawn) NP Joseph Nothing - Dreamland Idle Orchestra (www.planet-mu.com) > > * One of the opossums was St. Matthew who was also a taximan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:56:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SOLI Tab In a message dated 5/19/02 9:12:40 AM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >Craig requested >>>>Additionally, I'd still welcome more tab for the site, if anyone's a >budding guitarist with a penchant for playing Wire (and related) tracks. > > >Anyone worked out SOLI yet? hehe uhoh, i hope i don't get blasted for posting such a brief commentary ;o) - -another the paul spending a lazy sunday morning listening to mahogany's dream of a modern day and the factory music referenced therein this one's not on the list of funny quotes from kids: >*and moses went for a swim in the red sea, and when he was done swimming his clothes were gone. "where are my clothes?" he asked the other hebrews. "the palestinians took your things" they replied. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:39:23 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Void in a Mute In a message dated 5/19/02 8:08:56 AM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > << EMI ACQUIRES MUTE >> > > >ugh..... > >>Robert Lynn > > Thanks for an illuminating commentary on the situation, almost neanderthal > in > its aphorism. > > To which I'd add, "Argh," "Yump" & "Dripplethweep." > Why thank you sweetie ! you are so charming and kind! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:44:30 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lame Stab at Bastard In a message dated 5/19/02 8:12:39 AM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > Or are we just supposed to be impressed by the fact that you worked in a > record shop and take your word for it? > as a matter of fact, no...if anything i laugh at myself occasionally that i had to take a job in a record store to supplement my income...laughing at one's self is good...you should try it sometime... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:46:22 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Your Hole is Full In a message dated 5/19/02 8:12:41 AM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > (yawn) > my sentiments exactly RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:02:54 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for the goth within... In a message dated 19/05/02 06:30:30 GMT Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > And on a different note, I went with a friend to see > the Mediaeval Baebes in San Francisco last week and > they were great! A feast for the eyes and ears! And > any group of women who have a song called "Lick the > Maypole" and dedicate one song to "The glorious moment > Adam bit the apple!" are alright in my book! > /////i always love the way these classical artistes promote themselves in such subtle ways. the leader of the baebes was one of miranda sex garden y'know... > PS - Any ICers around Glouchestershire (sp?) that have > heard/know about "Joust"? Sounds interesting! > ////// is this a band or are you referring to the activity? i live in worcestershire (one county north of glos) and i've not heard of a band by that name but i suspect somewhere near here are some silly people in suits of armour being very English. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:58:12 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Void in a Mute In a message dated 19/05/2002 17:39:46 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > Why thank you sweetie ! you are so charming and kind! > RL > Top reply Robert.And yes I've read the same article as Graeme has regarding those biblical quotations from children.American children I would guess !! Chris PS What's he going to say when I shortly post my review of Read & Burn.I've had it for 4 weeks now & can give a considered opinion i think. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:09:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: TELEVISION << Anyone going? >> Just bought my ticket for the 19th Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] MSG The Baebes are anything but subtle! > /////i always love the way these classical artistes > promote themselves in > such subtle ways. the leader of the baebes was one > of miranda sex garden > y'know... > Indeed! Katherine Blake, Teresa Casella, and MSG are the main reasons I checked out the Baebes show in the first place. > activity? i live in > worcestershire (one county north of glos) and i've > not heard of a band by > that name but i suspect somewhere near here are some > silly people in suits of > armour being very English. p It is billed as being a "Weekend of Mediaeval Mayhem" so you may be right! It is being held at Berkeley Castle, where Edward II was killed and Midsummer Night's Dream was first performed. Details at www.joust.info ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:58:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glam Wreck! > A lot of the Fall's progress has been through bringing new people with new > approaches in regularly. Even if you can't hear any kind of progression, the > Fall have never sounded the same for more than 2-3 albums. it always seemed to me that mark e. smith got rid of people from the band cos he's such a cantankeous old gitt, not cos he wanted to bring in people with new approaches. i never said the fall just sounded the same. i just questioned whether they progressed. well that's my opinion anyway. > Anyone who listened to Dragnet or Grotesque followed by The Infotainment Scan > or Shiftwork and considered that the band had made no musical progress on any > level would have to be deaf! PARDON ; ) > Even just in terms of tighter playing and slicker sound a progression seems > obvious. > personally i don't think having a slicker sound necessarily equates as progress or we'd all be listening to (pop idols) gareth and will. > >>>i thought that they were simply 'the fall' (no insult intended), a band > that went off at interesting tangents (rockabilly, brix pop, glam drums) but > were essentially always the fall. >Those aren't really things about the Fall that interest me you don't like 'white lightning'? 'cruisers creek'? 'glam racket'? you surprise me graeme. > > 'Brix pop' is a lazy cliche (unless referring to the Adult Net). Riley was > just as poppy really. Rebellious Jukebox is as poppy as CREEP (which was > actually played live before Brix joined). Diceman is as poppy as Hey Luciani, > etc. can't say i agree with you on that graeme. i wouldn't for one moment suggest that brix-era fall turned into spandau ballet, but they were definitely more of a 'pop group' - mark even tidied himself up for a bit. and though i haven't got the details in front of me, i think you'll find the brix version of the fall were more commercially successful than the lard one. but hey, i liked both versions so who cares... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:02:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Misbehaving Atoms > This version of Anarchy would be all very well if everyone is was a good > natured, articulate Wire fan from Salisbury. > You're missing one small fact, as wonderfully expressed by the late Sid > Vicious: > > "I've met the man in the street and he's a C**T'!" Excellent reply! keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:59:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Songs about Skrewing << My commentary on Steve Albini's opinion on SD was a recollection of him being asked about liking them in view of their politics in some interview years ago. I was paraphrasing his reply, which seemed to imply he was well aware of their fascist stance. >> So is Stevie boy trying to be dangerous and controversial by listening to Skrewdriver's Nazi output? Or is he (rightly IMO) challenging political rectitude by claiming there to be musical merit in work which is overtly distasteful? It's quite a challenge to the listener to disconnect one's revulsion at Skrewdriver's philosophy and attempt to find value in the sound they make. Never heard any of it, so I can't judge. Not going to go out of my way to seek it out either. And it's probably a load of shouty skinhead shit. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:14:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] No Wire Later > This series of Later has followed a rather depressing formula: yeah it did, but i didn't think it was a total disaster. i enjoyed quite a few acts - black rebel motorcycle club, bryan ferry, the hives, pet shop boys, doves, even if they weren't all necessarily at their best. > 1 US R&B act who replace the electronic drums and squiggles of their > recorded work with polished session musos, backing singers, slap bass and > guitar solos in order to prove their "authenticity"... > yep. in total agreement. > 2. 'Living Legend' who is well past their best (i.e Elvis Costello, Eric > Burdon :reggae version of 'Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood' anyone?) eric burdons version of 'misunderstood' was probably the worst moment on the series. it was truly dire! > 3. An 'Alt-Country' act. (surely the single most uninviting musical genre > ever?) you want to hear my dads male voice choir records! > 4. The f**king Strokes, or another one-trick novelty band who look/sound a > bit like them (The Hives/Von Bondies). come on tim. lighten up ; ) > 5. Obligatory World Music act. > > 6. Damon Albarn's latest solo vanity project. i know what you're saying, but at least he's not resting on his laurels. and you don't like 'clint eastwood'??? great pop song! > Last week I found myself drinking in a hotel bar with some Channel 4 > researchers. I suggested they ought to bring back Snub TV or The Tube. They > didn't know what the f**k I was talking about. i can live without the tube - it had some great acts but i always thought it was over-rated and i couldn't stand the backdrop. no-one *ever* LOOKED good on it!!! but 'snub'? now you're talking... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:21:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Songs about Skrewing > << My commentary on Steve Albini's opinion on SD was a recollection of him > being asked about liking them in view of their politics in some interview > years ago. I was paraphrasing his reply, which seemed to imply he was well > aware of their fascist stance. >> > > So is Stevie boy trying to be dangerous and controversial by listening to > Skrewdriver's Nazi output? Or is he (rightly IMO) challenging political > rectitude by claiming there to be musical merit in work which is overtly > distasteful? i don't know the answer to that question, but let's not forget that steve albini, whatever his merits, once called his band 'rapeman' which i find equally distasteful - whatever his reasons for doing so. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:29:34 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] An "Old Fart" at Play (Avert Your Gaze) > >>>hate to disappoint you, > > Actually if you said you bore me you'd be closer to the mark. i'm glad to be of assistance graeme. keep taking the charm tablets ; ) > Maybe this genre O'Sullivan has an email list you could join? You wouldn't > want to miss his exciting tour! > oh but then i'd miss your exciting messages. > God is a mere Control mechanism which the weak willed use as a crutch for > their confused minds. i suggest you find god pretty sharpish then graeme/bill... > >>>in the same way that roni size attempts at post-punk pop would be unlikely > to equal 'not to'. > > Was "Not To" really an attempt to do post-punk? > the early 80's were post-punk last time i looked ? keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:35:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Misbehaving Atoms (very long, and half a mile off topic and accelerating) > 21. I'm a final-year undergrad university student, at Cambridge. (Cue > class-war, rioting in the streets, and general "what the hell does he > think he's talking about, he's at Cambridge therefore he must be > rich/posh/a class traitor" bull.) > > I'm in a privileged position in many regards, but I'll freely admit it. > absolutely nothing to be ashamed of andrew. good luck with your finals. keith n.p. bastard ('slowfast' - no-one will ever convince me that it wouldn't sound better without that tagged-on token drum'n'bass percussion) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:30:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] An "Old Fart" at Play (Avert Your Gaze) In a message dated 5/19/02 3:24:13 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > Actually if you said you bore me you'd be closer to the mark. > > i'm glad to be of assistance graeme. keep taking the charm tablets ; ) > > i think he overdosed today... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:35:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Misbehaving Atoms (very long, and half a mile off topic a... In a message dated 5/19/02 3:30:39 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > n.p. bastard ('slowfast' - no-one will ever convince me that it wouldn't > sound better without that tagged-on token drum'n'bass percussion) well i certainly know of someone who will sure as hell try...as a matter of fact he'll bludgeon you with over one-hundred reasons and attempt to insult you all in one go... and he's sooooo cool that he isn't the least bit impressed with my record shop experience! shucks, i guess i shouldn't use that as my chat-up-the-ladies line anymore....oh wait! i am the Queen of Ur! i don't need to impress the ladies! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:48:03 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Songs about Skrewing In a message dated 19/05/02 21:00:12 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > So is Stevie boy trying to be dangerous and controversial by listening to > Skrewdriver's Nazi output? Or is he (rightly IMO) challenging political > rectitude by claiming there to be musical merit in work which is overtly > distasteful? It's quite a challenge to the listener to disconnect one's > revulsion at Skrewdriver's philosophy and attempt to find value in the > sound > they make. > > Never heard any of it, so I can't judge. Not going to go out of my way to > seek it out either. > > And it's probably a load of shouty skinhead shit. > > ////in addition to the above , i think the definitive analysis of skrewdriver's oeuvre is contained within stewart home's excellent "cranked up really high". stewie quite liked the pre-nazi output but in a hilarious chapter) he describes ian stuarts decent into racism then , worse still , heavy metal (covers of "sweet home alabama" , "paranoid"and "back in black" , i kid you not). and , the horror , home cleverly exposes the homoerotic subtext in his work (we've been here before i think , heh heh) ; "As Stuart becomes increasingly desperate to assert his masculinity , it continually eludes him , slips away and becomes the very opposite of heterosexuality ; quantity is transformed into quality and regardless of the singer's refusal to openly admit the fact , it becomes patently obvious that the bloke is a cream puff" ooh , er , what can you say? meanwhile i am reminded of courtney love's comments about albini along the lines of "never have i met a bloke so homophobic yet so obsessed by homosexuality". wonder what she meant by that , eh? go analyse :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:04:31 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Editorial Control (was Re: [idealcopy] Songs about Skrewing) On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 04:48:03PM -0400, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > ooh , er , what can you say? meanwhile i am reminded of courtney love's > comments about albini along the lines of "never have i met a bloke so > homophobic yet so obsessed by homosexuality". wonder what she meant by that , > eh? > > go analyse :-) p It certainly makes Steve Albini choosing to produce the Auteurs' very, very underrated, but very *very* warped, "After Murder Park" (chief lyrical concerns: vaguely misogynistic sex, and child murder) slightly more explicable. The Auteurs have always had a very English, vaguely camp, vaguely menacing style. I like them quite a lot, but that's just because my natural sense of humour is somewhere near to uncut vitrol, I suspect :) Andrew - -- "Dissect a trillion sighs away - well, you got this letter, Jagged pulse slicing my veins; I write to remember." - At the Drive-In, "One Armed Scissor" ('Relationship of Command') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:37:54 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [l0l] LOL#20 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ramon Bauer To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:36 PM Subject: [l0l] LOL#20 > ** File was empty, now its l0l ** > > > here comes LOL#20 > including news from: > > -> MEGO >> new releases / new releases > -> MEGO >> new allied release / new release > -> MEGO >> racing.mego.at / race2 - report > -> MDBS (MEGO direct booking service) / new dates > > ############################################# > > 1. MEGO.NEWS via http://www.mego.at > > -// new releases: > > -> MERZBOW: MEGO 040_A Taste Of... (CD) > release date: 15052002 > > One more bulletin from the depths of Masami Akita's hard drive. > Ever since going 'digital' a few years his schedule is relenting as ever. > For his debut full length for Mego, Merzbow presents a sparkling hommage > to delicate art of japanese cuisine. Four tasty tracks full of > Akita's trademark filter sweeps, distorted rhythmn passages. > Raw and sophisticated. > > To whet you appetite the tracks and recipes are as follows: > > 1.Sponge Octopus > stewed octopus, stewed beef, shellfish, > weatherfish, balloon fish, etc. > > 2.Turban Shell Blues > young yellowtail, minced raw pompano fish, > lobster, turban shell cooked in the shell, > bamboo shoot boiled plain, etc. > > 3.Tempura in Moss Garden(Frog Variation 011101) > shrimp, Sillago, squid, Bai Shell, chicken, > green pepper, yellow bell pepper, fresh shiitake mushroom > sweet potato, bringjal, etc. > with Tempura Koromo, Miso, Lomon, Soup of Tempura, etc. > > 4.Sponge Carp > baked carp, raw carp, soup of carp, miso, etc > > ..................................................... > > -> KEVIN DRUMM: MEGO 053_Sheer Hellish Miasma (CD) > release date: 24052002 > > Kevin Drumm returns with a devastating sonic display on Mego. > Utilising guitar, tapes, mics, pedals, analogue synthesizer and some > computer assistance Drumm has concocted a sonic beast comprising > 2 extended tracks bookended by shorter works. Like the output of Tony Conrad, > Masami Akita, Whitehouse and others this CD has been mastered at extreme > levels and demands playback of a similar nature. In doing so one is taken on > an intense journey of storming feedback, open audio onslaught and somewhat > savaged sonics. The extreme end of anarchic electronics and possibly a hint > of nordic musical violence is present throughout the much of the disc. > > The two centrepiece's encapsulate it's essence: "Hitting the Pavement" > is a staggering 20 minutes of blizzard drone, whilst the 24 minute > epic "Inferno" engulfs the listener in a hail of torrential electronics, > jackhammer sinewaves and general 'evil' disguised as 'music'. > It's not all buzzing brimstone with the gentle "Cloudy" providing > a calm following the storm. > > In total? A din of arms, the fierce swell of damaged drone and the shriek > of subtle shifting sonic slaughter ... for the seasoned, a bountiful sonic > feast awaits, for the meek it's intense and rewarding - noise rarely sounds > this exhilarating. > > ..................................................... > > -// all mego and related releases > are available online via http://www.mdos.at > > > ############################################# > > > 2. MEGO.ALLIES via http://www.mego.at > > -// new allied release by DOC > - manufactured and distributed by MEGO. > > ..................................................... > > > -> PURE: Home is where my harddic is Vol 1 (CD) > > Consisting of two recordings of PURE4s live appearances in winter 2001/2002. > > The first track is the entire recording of a gig at the HVRBAR, > a monthly club in Hamburg, Germany that takes place in a small old cinema. > Playing in the movie room created a very intense atmosphere as compared > to other venues. The 38 min improvised piece interweaves low frequencies > with orchestral sounds into dense, unsettling structures, only to dissolve > them in its peaceful finish. > > The second track is an excerpt of a concert given at ANIKI BSBS, Porto, > Portugal. Its minimal algorithmic patterns slowly evolve into a > swaying string figure that is finished by processed vocal parts. > > ############################################# > > 4. MDBS EVENTS > > events provided by MDBS - Mego Direct Bookig Service > ======> http://www.mdbs.at > > for booking requests of Mego and related artists: > ======> mailto:booking@mdbs.at > > MAY 2002 > --------> listed /by artist > > :: Fennesz > 24.05 || Expo 02, Neuchatel (Switzerland) > // http://www.expo.02.ch/e/home/finallisteartes/neuchatel.html > 25.05 ||- Warp tour - La Laiterie, Strasbourg (France) > 26.05 ||- Warp tour - Mains d'Oeuvres, Paris (France) > // http://www.warprecords.com/tour > ..................................................... > > :: Pita + Tujiko Noriko > 14-17.05 || ShowRoomDummies, Theatre de la Bastille, Paris (France) > 19.05 || Bogen 13, Zurich (Switzerland) > 21.05 || La Cave 12, Geneva (Switzerland) > 25.05 || ShowRoomDummies, Aix-en-Provence (France) > 25.05 || La Machine a coudre, Marseille (France) > ..................................................... > > :: Hecker > 15.05 || - Warp tour - Rote Fabriek, Zurich (Switzerland) > 16.05 || - Warp tour - Notorius, Torino (Italy) > // http://www.warprecords.com/tour > ..................................................... > > :: Ohne > EuroSchizo 2002 Tour: http://ohne_zentrale.tripod.com/ohnewelkom.htm > ..................................................... > > :: Russell Haswell > Warp tour: http://www.warprecords.com/tour > ..................................................... > > :: Evol > 18.05 || NEXT Festival (Parc de la Torre Roja, Viladecans) Barcelona (Spain) > ..................................................... > > :: DAT Politics > 15.05 || Kulturbunker M|lheim, Koeln (Germany) > 16.05 || Fondation Cartier, Paris (France) > 17.05 || Worm, Rotterdam (The Netherlands) > 18.05 || JH Friesenstra_e, Bremen (Germany) > 19.05 || MFOC @ Golden Pudel Klub, Hamburg (Germany) > 21.05 || Blaa, Oslo (Norway) > 22.05 || Cafi 44, Stockholm (Sweden) > 23.05 || Club Ideal @ Nefertiti, Gothenburg (Sweden) > 24.05 || Under Dxbbxlsbro, Copenhagen (Denmark) > 25.05 || The Jutland Academy of Fine Arts, Aarhus (Denmark) > 29.05 || Spielplatz M9, Frankfurt (Germany) > 30.05 || Ekko, Utrecht (The Netherlands) > 31.05 || Lux, Nijmegen (The Netherlands) > -- > > JUNE 2002 > --------> listed /by artist > > :: Fennesz > 08.06 || Touch tour, Den Haag (The Netherlands) > ..................................................... > > :: Gcttcatt > 13.06 || Sonar, Barcelona (Spain) > // http://www.sonar.es > ..................................................... > > :: Hecker/Yasunao Tone > 13.06 || Sonar, Barcelona (Spain) > // http://www.sonar.es > ..................................................... > > :: Massimo > 15.06 || Sonar, Barcelona (Spain) > // http://www.sonar.es > ..................................................... > > :: Russell Haswell > 06.06 || Elektrowerkz II, London (England) > // http://www.warprecords.com/tour > ..................................................... > > :: Pita > 07.06 || Festival Musiques Innovatrices, St-Etienne (France) > ..................................................... > > :: Evol > 07.06 || Ertz. Bera, Navarra (Spain) > 08.06 ||Sonic Process, MACBA > 27.06 || Global Cafi, London (England) > 29.06 || Vector. Moderno Bar, Leeds (UK) > ..................................................... > > :: DAT Politics > 01.06 || LMC Festival, London (UK) > // http://www.l-m-c.org.uk > 22.06 || Festival Arty Farty, Lyon (France) > ..................................................... > > -- > 101 - falsch/mego/mdbs+more propaganda channel > mailto:listar@mego.at for sub/unsub info > *** http://www.mego.at ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #158 *******************************