From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #153 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] More Mute [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Mute swallowed by Mr Suits] [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Mute swallowed by Mr Suits] [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Fw: Change of street date ["r\)\(0\)\(m" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Change of street date ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Erase ["bartvandamme@home" ] RE: [idealcopy] Mute swallowed by Mr Suits ["Eric Klaver" ] [idealcopy] Re: Mego / Karkowski ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] They only did it 'cause of fame! Who...?? [Santa Cruzer ] [idealcopy] mo' Com-Sat sheet... ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...FALL-unutterable ["Keith Knight" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:25:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] More Mute > Anyone with half a brain could tell you the new > Moby LP won't sell anything like the last one, > having not been trailed by a string of adverts To be fair to Moby and the then-Mute, Play was released and initially made about #30 in the UK. It was at that point that Mute decided to licence as much as they could. I remember an interview with Miller saying how shocked he was that all the tracks got optioned, but it didn't matter, seeing as the album had done so poorly. He was apparently rather embarrassed with the later success of the CD off the back of the ads. I still reckon the new album will sell pretty well, even if the reviews aren't that great... I think bad Moby reviews were inevitable anyway. > The last Depeche Mode didn't exactly set the > world on fire.....and as for Erasure...... Exciter wasn't. As for Erasure, I was surprised to see that 'band' has still been releasing stuff in recent years; I guess no-one wants to hear the singer's annoying voice anymore. > All I can say is if you want the Dome LPs....buy > them now! I doubt Mutes > 'No Deletion' policy is going to last. Yes, I reckon that ideal is now dead. > Yes its sad but lets be honest, Mute have been > in hock with EMI for licensing deals since the > mid 80s. There's a big difference between licensing deals and ownership. Sure, Daniel will be 'in control' of Mute's worldwide affairs, but he'll be answerable to suits. And I reckon within one year Miller will have nothing to do with Mute whatsoever. > Cheer up folks! It means EMI have the entire > Wire catalogue so we might just get a really > cool box set out of it! Or that the CDs all go out of print and end up on eBay for $50 each... Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:21:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mute swallowed by Mr Suits] In a message dated 15/05/2002 23:26:39 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << i loved a lot of bands from that time, but for some reason the little i heard by comsat angels just never did it for me. saw them live too (supporting banshees) but all i can remember about them was that they seemed workmanlike in comparison with a lot of their peers and their drummer reminded me of animal out of the muppets. i'm obviously missing something. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:30:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mute swallowed by Mr Suits] << << i loved a lot of bands from that time, but for some reason the little i heard by comsat angels just never did it for me. saw them live too (supporting banshees) but all i can remember about them was that they seemed workmanlike in comparison with a lot of their peers and their drummer reminded me of animal out of the muppets. i'm obviously missing something. >> >> Strange...they seem to be a band that either clicks or doesn't. I liked them from the start - loved the spacey sound of the first album, and thought the big dense noise on the second one was even better - Sleep No More is a real lost classic for me. They never disappointed live either - though they weren't well suited to a more 'pop' sound. It had started to go downhill on the third album and the Jive stuff is dismal. They did get it together before they knocked it on the head - their 1995 last album (The Glamour) was pretty good, and is often to be found in bargain bins! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:54:44 -0500 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Change of street date FYI - received this from my former vendor of choice here in the USofA GUess i shoulda ordered direct from posteverything ;) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "EAR/Rational Autobot" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:20 PM Subject: Change of street date > This is an automated message. > > The street date for "Wire - Read & Burn 01 CD" is now 06/28. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:05:00 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Easy quiz Paul P: > Mick Collins was Wire's manager at the time. Thnx Paul. Googling I got this interview with Mick Collins [he was in the Dirtbombs?]: M: No, I played in a second band called the Floor Tasters. That was a trio influenced kinda heavily by Wire, thinking about it now. Since people have started asking about it I've pulled out the tapes and started listening to it and I think, yeah, we were probably pretty heavily influenced by Wire I would say (laughs). http://www.kdvs.org/kdviations/winter99/dirtbomb.html Robert C: > I always love that bit Me too... throughout the 80's, when I made compilation tapes for someone, I used bits of it. My fave bit though I took from UK-Subs Live Kicks - it seemed the gig was only attended by 3 drunk punks or so and to emphisize it I played it at 33 instead of 45. Charlie Harper at the end of a song: "Huh... I didn't know there was anyone here..." DO try this at home kids! Jolly good fun! Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:24:47 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Change of street date Well, you still can, can't you? ;-) Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl > FYI - received this from my former vendor of choice here in the USofA > GUess i shoulda ordered direct from posteverything ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:19:47 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews lyrics Craig, Lately I haven't got the time do tabs nor play much guitar I'm sad to say, but perhaps later on I could take a look at it. I played the Outdoor Miner just the other day - piece-of-cake-chords! [as they should be] :-) As I am writing this can I use the opportunity to say how much I like your site - I frequent it quite often or send the url to friends. Cheers, Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl > Mark's recent post about guitar tab reminded me to > post a quick and slightly cheeky request to the list. > As you're probably aware, The Wire Page's lyrics and > tab section was welded onto Wireviews this year, and > I'm hoping to at least get the lyrics as accurate as > possible. > > However, time isn't kind and with the exception of > Voice, Read and Burn 01, and It-ness, all remain > unchecked. Therefore, would anyone on the list be > prepared to help out checking some of the online texts > against albums that at least have lyrics in the > inlays? If so, please let me know. > > Additionally, I'd still welcome more tab for the site, > if anyone's a budding guitarist with a penchant for > playing Wire (and related) tracks. > > > Craig. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:33:03 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AngelzzZZzzz > They did get it together before they knocked it on the head - their 1995 last > album (The Glamour) was pretty good, and is often to be found in bargain bins! Belongs in a whole different kinda bin if you ask me! WHAHAHAAAA... haha... hehe... hmmm..... :-[ [too hot to get me coat] Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:39:03 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Erase Craig: > As for Erasure.... I guess no-one wants to hear the singer's > annoying voice anymore. TO-TAL-LY agree with that! Bart [who seems to have too much time on his hand for all this silly shitchat - I'm at work - maybe that's it] http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:53:49 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Mute swallowed by Mr Suits Tim wrote: This isn't the death of indie. Its just the death of big 80s style indie labels that want to compete with the majors. (Creation, 4AD, Factory etc.) ////////////////////// I think this is a bit cynical. These labels provided some very cool stuff in the 80s (4AD in particular, anyone remember the Voixes Bulgares, and This Mortal Coil-- what major would have taken on those projects?). Just because they were big it didn't make them bad. There was a strong sound and a strong look. If you didn't like it I think it could be off-putting, especially because it makes it seem like some sort of exclusive party or a joke you seemingly don't get. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:08:39 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: [idealcopy] Mute news sinks in... The news about the sale of Mute has turned up on the Mute web site, as follows: Mute embarks on new relationship with EMI An historic new deal has been agreed between Mute and EMI Recorded Music. The deal - which encompasses EMI's acquisition of Mute's recorded music companies around the world - is designed to preserve the pioneering UK independent's autonomy, stability and continuity in the next phase of a relationship that now stretches back over 15 years. More: http://www.mute.com/mute/news/news.htm#EMI Miller says "The new arrangement gives us an astonishing amount of autonomy to operate independently; it gives us a level of stability in funding and systems that we've never fully enjoyed in the past, and it provides us with the means to ensure the continuity of our management and culture into the future..." So, despite the corporate speak (and any visitor to Mute nowadays will find an environment that is nothing less than corporate) and whatever you think of the ethics of such a move, I think Daniel Miller will continue to prove himself a man of integrity and vision. I still do occasional work for Mute and my contact there said that, whatever the deal is that Daniel has got for Mute, it will be exactly the deal he wanted. Over, j - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:58:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mute swallowed by Mr Suits Eric, I don't hear Tim saying the 80s style indie labels are bad myself - just that they were products of their time. Personally I don't see the real disaster either other then perhaps feeling a bit nostalgic. "Indie-ness" allways finds a way... maybe in another [music] form and that's ok to me. Cheers... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > Tim wrote: > > This isn't the death of indie. Its just the death of big 80s style indie > labels that want to compete with the majors. (Creation, 4AD, Factory etc.) > > ////////////////////// > > I think this is a bit cynical. These labels provided some very cool stuff in > the 80s (4AD in particular, anyone remember the Voixes Bulgares, and This > Mortal Coil-- what major would have taken on those projects?). Just because > they were big it didn't make them bad. There was a strong sound and a strong > look. If you didn't like it I think it could be off-putting, especially > because it makes it seem like some sort of exclusive party or a joke you > seemingly don't get. > > Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:16:59 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Shoegazing In a message dated 5/16/02 9:20:29 AM Central Daylight Time, Frank.Woerner@erl.sbs.de writes: << FrankfromBavaria ... who always prefers "guitar" music to "keyboard" music >> why?...does it really matter what music is made with? is that really the point?....don't get me wrong, i am not attacking your taste in the least..i'm just curious when someone says something like that..it's a touchy subject with me because i was attacked for years by people who said things like: "That ain't real music it's synthetic crap made with keyboards!"...well just how "real" an instrument is the electric guitar? Doesn't one have to plug it in?...anyway...just a couple of weeks back an IC memeber made a reference to a Hafler Trio cd called "Resurrection" which was made with all sorts of kitchen items and other items..live no less! so i dug mine out and it was great to listen to that again, and no less enjoyable with the absence of guitars...Chessie is a group that samples train sounds and manipulates them into shimmering music not unlike guitar driven shoegazer stuff...So what do most of you think it is? Do people truly get off on the actual "sound" of the guitar or the aesthetics of having a guitar strapped around ones neck and it's connotation in pop culture? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:05:43 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Independent Labels (SWIM) speaking of independent labels.....i just managed to find the following Swim titles for $2.99 each ! Dol-lop - "Cryptic Audio Rag" Malka Spigel - "My Pet Fish" Colin Newman - "Bastard".......yes, i am going to purchase this again and give it another try!...I have not worked at the dance/IDM record shop in a couple of years now and maybe i'll hear it differently this time....all the discussions about it (polite and otherwise) have made me think that i should try again..besides, Read and Burn and Colin's tracks on the Swim compilations have been playing non-stop on my cd player....if that isn't inspiration enough i don't know what is.... any thoughts on the other two cds?....Sometimes, it really is a blessing to live in a country (USA) where most people like crap music..it's an even bigger blessing to live in an area of the country (the mid-west) where people are REALLY clueless (especially shop keepers!) and i am able to find really good stuff cheaply! Some people just don't know what they have! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:11:52 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! > If anyone's interested I have quite a good sound effects album of jet planes > taking off. Makes Merzbow sound like Belle & Sebastian. > > Mark > How? Do you have any Merzbow recordings? John Peel should ask Merzbow to record a session of B&S covers, and vice versa. An old favourite of mine before I got into punkrock was the BBC disasters sound effects tape with lots of different explosions on it. My father is a railway enthusiast and had several LPs of steam train noises. Does anyone else have good noisy 'sound effects' albums? What are your ten top noises? > << >>MBV in 1989 were almost deafening which led my mate to comparing it with > an > airplane taking off<< > > Merzbow at the Garage / Disobay back in his analog contraption days sounded > like a jet plane taking off and was nearly as hot as sitting in the engine. > >> > NP Philip Jeck - Stoke (is that the J Geils Band I hear?) > > * Lot's wife was a pillar of salt by day, but a ball of fire by night. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:23:37 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Mego / Karkowski In a message dated 5/12/02 10:03:23 AM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: Zbigniew Karkowski sounded like a good laugh. He's been quite prolific recording wise, but my pick of those I've heard would be the MAZK collaboration with Masami Akita on OR. hasn't he recorded something for the Mego label? Possibly - he's recorded a lot! Have a look at www.mego.at as the site lists all Mego releases. np-symptoms-apathy robert lynn np Shellac - The Futurist > > * Moses led the Hebrews to the Red Sea, where they made unleavened bread which is bread without any ingredients. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:03:50 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? > > << Swans journey from album to album shows a more determined and > single minded progression than almost any other band I can think of, except > maybe the Fall from Dragnet to Perverted by Language. > >> > > But not nearly as funny... > > Pay the Borough! > > Mark > Of course not, The Fall are easily the funniest band I've heard . He's a mummy. "Get out of my city you mediocre pseuds and take those red tie bastards who put up Olympic flags with you!" There is some comedy value in Swans at a fairly trite piss taking level though. NP Fugazi - Furniture > > * Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree. Noah's wife was called Joan of Ark. Noah built an ark, which the animals come on to in pears. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:10:25 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Misbehaving Atoms - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw To: Bill Hick ; Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tea Cup Storm (How Many Argh?) > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 03:15:32PM +0100, Bill > > But we must demand consistancy from artists! > > Oh. Must we? How *boring*. > We can demand anything but any artists with an iota of conviction won't listen! > > There is a strong yin-yang aspect to Wire - split the band up into any 2 > > groups of 2 and each displays opposite but complimentary tendencies, eg. > > [... snip ...] > > > The above are generalisations of course but could go some way to explaining > > why Wir was relatively short lived - the balance was tipped. > > Interesting theory. It seems Wire weren't short on internal tension > either, so a kind of "cabin fever" effect is not, I guess, implausible. Enough has been made of these tensions in the past. There are obviously stronger positive forces at work in Wire that keep the same four members involved. In fact those four have to be involved (Wir). Should 'Illuminated' (recorded without Colin) be technically attributed to Ire? > Your interviews (very interesting reading, thanks) seem to support that > theory. > > [...] > In turn I thank Wire for deigning to speak to crappy fanzines. > >> nor am I about to angst that, as some representative of 'the Youth of > >> Today' > > > > Ladies and gentlemen, its the new Joe Strummer! > > Not the last time I checked, no. I'm not in a garage band, and > last time I was there, Edinburgh wasn't Garageland. > So you must be Wattie from the Exploited then? > The idea of me being particularly representative of *anything* is > farfetched, but that hasn't stopped it being tried in the past; it was > this I was (OK, somewhat clumsily, but whatever) highlighting the irony > of. > Funnily enough that Joe Strummer comment was trite irony too. > > >>>(there *is* no coherent youth culture outside of > > the clubs, deal with it) > > > > How do you know that? > > I talk to my peers, strangely enough. But how many people is that? Are they a representative sample? What age are you anyway? >The myth of a united youth culture > is particularly seductive, but has always been exactly that - mythic. > Myth, however, is generally a lot more interesting than fact, as long as > you don't try and base your life around it. > > Is myth the common thread of popular culture(s)? [20 marks]. > > > Does it need coherence? > > The concept of coherency has its uses - try building a laser without it > - but interference patters are intrinsically more interesting. In my > view, anyway. > You're probably onto something there. I don't think youth culture or any other kind of 'alternative' culture, especially artistically speaking, really needs to be united or have coherence. In fact any striving towards this opens the door for Control to rear its ugly head. Differences are the spice. There's so much cross connecting in so many different and varied ways through so many different avenues and strands of activity on local and international levels that any attempts to control seem more and more futile. Of course the futility of Control cause it to squeeze harder but the more the iron fist tightens the more slips through its fingers. Any attempts to subvert authority should start by eliminating all Control lines in ones own life. > > Is it true that if the kids are united they will never (oi oi) be divided? > > Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "nuclear families". > The well behaved atoms. If things seem boring and nothing's happening then you have to go out and make things happen. No good complaining about lack of any kind of culture when there are myriad otions for creation open. > >> in some way I have a duty to subvert authority through my taste in > >> music. > > > > > > How can this be achieved? > > Subverting authority? I wouldn't know where to start, but I'd suggest > the media, both paper and electronic, On paper cut ups are great. I've found hilarious results from intercuting the gibberish spouted by 2 different politicians. Hilarious new meanings often emerge which end up closer to the truth than the lies they tell. But how does this subvert authority? It might not seem to directly, but its a first step in cutting through control mechanisms and finding out where control is hiding. Authority needs control or it ceases to authorise. Any action to cut control lines is a positive one. is a rather better places to start > than in the record shop. It could be a place to start. Records can contain interesting ideas. Its one attraction of Wire. But that was my point, its only a start or an inspiration. I don't think I'll ever try building a laser though! Of course, with the political hand-grenade of > the (USian) DMCA and the (European) EUCD about to go off, these two > issues are rapidly converging. As the fist squeezes, more slips through The harder it comes down, the quicker the shards scatter. Even the style mag (Flux) which I write reviews for has become politicised due to the encroaching police state. Does destruction ignite creation? Yet another reason to Read and Burn while > we can. Good Luck! > > Andrew > > -- > "You think I'm dead, but I sail away ..." > - the Pixies, "Wave of Mutilation" ('Doolittle') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | btw What are you studying? http://www.lexical.org.uk > "Where is my mind?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:06:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! << Do you have any Merzbow recordings?<< Well I got the nice people in These Records to play me some a while back but was underwhelmed, though I guess it needs lots of volume..... >> John Peel should ask Merzbow to record a session of B&S covers, and vice versa.<< Actually my money would be on B&S to pull that one off best! >>An old favourite of mine before I got into punkrock was the BBC disasters sound effects tape with lots of different explosions on it. >> My father is a railway enthusiast and had several LPs of steam train noises.<< So that's where your trainspotter tendencies come from!! ;-) Was that an Ian Allan book in your pocket, or were you just glad to see me?! Does anyone else have good noisy 'sound effects' albums? >>I ahve a few of them. BBC Sound Effects of Death & Horror is one of the best ones. Lots of hot pokers inserted into cabbages (ouch!) I also have the sci-fi one which has lots of horrible Radiophonic Workshop clips from Blake's Seven....<< Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:10:37 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! In a message dated 5/16/02 12:31:08 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << My father is a railway enthusiast and had several LPs of steam train noises. Does anyone else have good noisy 'sound effects' albums? >> I suppose you have heard the stuff by CHESSIE on Plug Research?...what do you think of it? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] They only did it 'cause of fame! Who...?? A listing just went up on Pollstar that the Sex Pistols are playing a reunion concert in London! Have at it UK Copyists!!! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:39:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! In a message dated 5/16/02 12:31:08 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: graeme writes: << What are your ten top noises? >> well i shall play along: in no particular order: rain thunder my cats purring my ancient ARP oscillator ran through an ancient effects processor with all sorts of delay, echo, and reverb and left to run on it's own (with sincerest apologies to Eno and his Discreet Music) my boss saying goodnight or have a nice weekend children laughing a roaring (or crackling) fire distant freight trains crickets (or frogs) wind (or breeze) RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:22:57 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Independent Labels (SWIM) In a message dated 16/05/2002 18:06:33 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > it's an even bigger blessing to live in an area > of the country (the mid-west) where people are REALLY clueless (especially > shop keepers!) and i am able to find really good stuff cheaply! Some people > > just don't know what they have! > > Absolutely totally agree.I can't believe some of the stuff I've picked up cheap in my time.Like for example Radiohead's Drill EP from a bin in Andy's Records Peterborough for 99p !. I Kid A you not ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:24:53 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! In a message dated 16/05/2002 18:31:08 GMT Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > Does anyone else have good noisy 'sound effects' albums? > No.But I remember in my teens listening to an LP of Whale Songs which sounded cool yet eerie.Wished I could listen to it again. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:31:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Shoegazing > why?...does it really matter what music is made with? is that really the > point?.... you're right robert - it doesn't matter... i always liked guitars myself - after all that was what my first musical loves (beatles, manfred mann, the move) played. and i always preferred gtr bands (T.Rex, the stones) to more keyboard orientated acts in the 70's, because keyboards meant elp and rick wakeman (although i still ended up with records by them!) - i just preferred the sound of a big fat bar chord. and then, of course, along came punk which the stranglers apart, gave keyboards something of a wide berth until the likes of magazine and the teardrops came along. more big fat chords ('new rose') or great gtr riffs ('pretty vacant') were exactly what i wanted. BUT over the years, your tastes become more diverse. and i don't care something is played on an electric or acoustic (i'm a big nick drake fan) or not (suicide, most dance music). if it sounds good, it really isn't an issue. i still get off on having a gtr strapped around my neck though ; ) keith > Do people truly get off on the actual "sound" of the > guitar or the aesthetics of having a guitar strapped around ones neck and > it's connotation in pop culture? > > RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:38:05 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Com-Sats i wrote... > > Jive...gulp...didn't the Com-Sat Angels sign with them after Polydor and >then Island fucked them off...? mind you, by then the batteries in the old solar-powered wings were well dead anyway... Keith replied... >i loved a lot of bands from that time, but for some reason the little i >heard by comsat angels just never did it for me. >saw them live too (supporting banshees) but all i can remember about them >was that they seemed workmanlike in comparison with a lot of their peers >and their drummer reminded me of animal out of the muppets. >i'm obviously missing something. personally, i think you are. i've said this here before, but i regard all of their Polydor output as just fucking marvellous. saw them a few times, never THAT impressed with them live...but those 3 Polydor LP's and the singles...oooooohhhh boyyyyy...... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:54:58 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] mo' Com-Sat sheet... on the Com-Sat ting... ><< Jive...gulp...didn't the Com-Sat Angels sign with them after Polydor and >then Island fucked them off...? >> and then, somewhere in the black mountain hills of Dakota, MarkB drops the bomb...'c'moowwwn Cleatus, c'mmmoooowwwwnnnn...' >Comsats went to Island after Jive's failed attempt to turn them into A >Flock of Seagulls. The first Island album (Chasing Shadows) was pretty >good. The second of the Jive albums (7 day weekend) is dismal... aaahh...yes, i bow to a superior memory, unaddled by years of knives for breakfast and speed in my coffee... :-/ eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. s.j. just played - Leonard Cohen 'Greatest Hits' (...i'm H.A.P.P.Y., i'm H.A.P.P.Y....) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:40:35 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cover versions Andy asked - Or should we start a new thread of most unlikely cover versions? - ---- Well, I'd like to nominate PJ Harvey's version of 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep, Cheep', done slowly and moodily at Brixton Academy last year. I was doubled up in laughter. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:46:01 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...FALL-unutterable I really like 'Are You Are Missing Winner?' - it has a very rough quality and one song - Crop-Dust - which is up there with the great Fall IMHO. Both this and The Unutterable are top-notch as far as I'm concerned. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID HEALE To: Keith Astbury Cc: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...FALL-unutterable > KEITH > i haven't heard absolute latest fall album which came out these pastfew > weeks..... > but previous album "the unutterable" was a classic FALL ALBUM REAL TOP DRAW > STUFF AND WELL WORTH INVESTIGATING.. esp."dr. buck's letter" dark > sinister/dance > rockin ambient and the kitchen sink in there .. all mashecd together... > track it down. > cheers david in cornwall > ps the parcel went off this aftn. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Astbury" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... > > > > > Your money would be better saved and spent on the forthcoming Jam at the > > BBC > > > triple CD (I kid you not...) > > > > > > Mark > > > > not sure i'll go that far and buy a triple (!), but i seem to recall the > > early jam peel sessions were good. in fact, i've got an idea that he > > transmitted tracks from all of them one night in the late 70's... > > > > reminds me, he played all the Fall peel sessions one night after another > > some years ago (his 50th birthday?). i seem to recall that even then it > > filled two cassettes...haven't bought much by the fall in recent yrs but i > > played 'the chisellers' the other day (that's probably as up to date as > i've > > got with them). what a fine record. > > > > keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:47:23 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Independent Labels (SWIM) On a similar subject Soundhouse (www.soundhouse-music.co.uk) are selling the following swim items off cheap: Cusp - Space & Time/Liquids & Metals - #3.85 Immersion - Oscillating - #3.85 Oracle - Tree - #3.85 Plastic Venus - Helver Park - #3.85 Malka Spigel - Hide - #3.20 Rosh Ballata - #3.85 V.A. - Water Communication - #4.45 G-Man - Kushti - #3.85 Ronnie & Clyde - In Glorious Black & Blue- #3.85 As well as Bastard - #4.45. To my shame I don't know any of these, so do any of you have recommendations (or do I have to fork out for all of them)? Freight charges by the way (at least UK - I'm working from a brochure rather than the website) are 1-5 items #3.50, 6 or more #5.00, free over #75.00. David - they're even selling Black Widow's 'Sacrifice' for #10.25! I am tempted... another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Independent Labels (SWIM) > speaking of independent labels.....i just managed to find the following Swim > titles for $2.99 each ! > > Dol-lop - "Cryptic Audio Rag" > Malka Spigel - "My Pet Fish" > Colin Newman - "Bastard".......yes, i am going to purchase this again and > give it another try!...I have not worked at the dance/IDM record shop in a > couple of years now and maybe i'll hear it differently this time....all the > discussions about it (polite and otherwise) have made me think that i should > try again..besides, Read and Burn and Colin's tracks on the Swim compilations > have been playing non-stop on my cd player....if that isn't inspiration > enough i don't know what is.... any thoughts on the other two > cds?....Sometimes, it really is a blessing to live in a country (USA) where > most people like crap music..it's an even bigger blessing to live in an area > of the country (the mid-west) where people are REALLY clueless (especially > shop keepers!) and i am able to find really good stuff cheaply! Some people > just don't know what they have! > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:14:44 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] They only did it 'cause of fame! Who...?? Oh, no, the thought makes my blood run cold! another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Santa Cruzer To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: [idealcopy] They only did it 'cause of fame! Who...?? > A listing just went up on Pollstar that the Sex > Pistols are playing a reunion concert in London! > > Have at it UK Copyists!!! > > > ===== > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > PO Box 7770 > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > t: (831) 425-7335 > f: (831) 425-7356 > http://3rproductions.com > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:11:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] moz is back? 'news' this wks nme includes 'news' of morrissey having 'reportedly' signed to sanctuary records as previously discussed here. i mention this because the nme are trying to take the credit for this development after the smiths topped the nme 50th anniversary poll. and i quote... "L.A.-based morrissey has been shopping for a deal since his last studio album, 'maladjusted' was released on island records in 1997, but with the press picking up on the nme poll, he suddenly found himself a viable proposition once more." now i know the nme has always been pretty pleased with itself, but do they really believe that if they hadn't chosen the smiths as their all-time most important act, moz wouldn't be signing an american deal??? i have to say i find this quite incredible - particularly as this news was on-line several weeks ago. what it appears to me though, is that the nme are (amazingly after all this time) offering to make things up with moz. they quote a couple of fans (imaginary or otherwise) reaction to the news, which ends with one saying "I suspect this is an olive branch of sorts, and i'd love to think a detente might be engineered". well it certainly seems like they're trying, but i wouldn't put my money on morrissey accepting. he's hardly the type to forgive and forget if his past record is anything to go by...... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Independent Labels (SWIM) speaking of independent labels.....i just managed to find the following Swim titles for $2.99 each ! Dol-lop - "Cryptic Audio Rag" Malka Spigel - "My Pet Fish" Colin Newman - "Bastard" >> Man, it must be nice to have a record store nearby where you can find stuff like this. I look in the used bins around here and it's nothing but shite. I think "My Pet Fish" is quite good. Favorite track is "Like Machines". Eric Astro Page http://community.webtv.net/eric719/TheStrangListDeep ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cover versions Cool thread! I'd forgotten about it until just now, but during the very first Crowded House tour around '86, I saw them play a tiny club in San Luis Obispo and Neil Finn did a solo acoustic cover of "Anarchy in the UK" that was great! > > Well, I'd like to nominate PJ Harvey's version of > 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep, > Cheep', done slowly and moodily at Brixton Academy > last year. I was doubled > up in laughter. ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #153 *******************************