From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #148 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, May 13 2002 Volume 05 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Why Spam the Fly? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Last Five Gigs ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] US Tour ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Mission of Burma ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Last Five Gigs [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Colin's video ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Why Spam the Fly? >>>if anyone from wire is reading this They hang on every word, desperate for the lowdown on the activities of Gilbert O 'Sullivan! >>>and they do a new peel session i think it's be great to do something different with it. It would be an ideal opportunity for them to try out the experiment of recording without sound. >>>ok maybe not a wedding prezzie like ukrainian session, The only reason I've been going to Wire gigs is the vain hope that they'll play some Ukrainian folk songs. So far I've been quite very disappointed. >>>but maybe something like sonic youth did when they did that ace 'fall' one in the late 80's (3 fall originals and 'victoria' if i remember rightly). SY actually played Victoria over the Fall version. MES not amused. The next SY session with 4 instrumentals never released elsewhere was more interesting. Wire could copy them and play instrumental RnB01 and Sonic Youth covers and invite Mark Smith in to mutter about how serial killers bore him on Death Valley 69. The 2000 WireVersion was about Wire covering themselves. Maybe they should just do Messy Elliot remixes like everyone else? >>>so rather than alternative versions of 'R&B' stuff, how about a glam session of, say, 'jeepster', 'ballroom blitz', 'jean genie' and 'rock & roll pt2' Already been there: Have a listen to 'Feeling Called Love' But what a vapid notion - typical retrogressive Q reader mentality. I expect most would agree it would be better to hear them play the new songs... 99.9 Read & Burn Mr Marx's Table 10 Years After Wire's live encore of 'Roadrunner' was never officially recorded. The reason seems obvious. Keith's idea of doing something different doesn't seem very different. It's David Bowie who needs ideas, not Wire - see Bongwater song 'David Bowie needs ideas' included on 'Double Bummer' album alongside a cover of 'Rock'n'Roll Pt2' which might keep you amused whilst you wait for Wire to devolve to pub rock mentality. If you really want to hear covers of those songs why not start your own band to play them? >>>or - as they've returned to their PF era for their new sound - what about a 'punk' one of 'pretty vacant', 'neat neat neat', 'london's calling' and 'i am a dalek'... Already been there: Lowdown, Pink Flag, 12XU, Strange peel has already bcast 2 live versions of Lowdown... Why don't they just do a cover of I am the Fly? Oh yeah they did that too with Small Black Reptile live after manscape. Anyone who's heard Melt Banana's cover of Neat neat neat would know it would be pointless for anyone else to try it now, especially in ironic jocular beery mode. >>>make an event out of it. Yeah, invite everyone on IC along to the studio to get in the way and make requests. I know I'll be asking to hear their early abandoned mysogynistic joke retard-rocker 'Bitch', which is almost worthy of the mighty Eater (please don't start the 'were Eater crap' debate again). >>>(i know we'll think it's an event anyway, but you know what i mean) Maybe a couple of them could be persuaded to wear cardboard tubes on their heads. Such an unseen visual stunt for radio would perfectly compliment recording without sound. >>>go on lads. Go ahead. There's an opening at the Job Centre for Boring Uncut House Band, minimum wage, integrity not required. Demos to be forwarded to J Peel. Keep strumming guitars Oi Oi Oi ZEGK HOQP Everythings going to be documented Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Desormais - Climate Variations ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:41:18 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Last Five Gigs Thursday night... Lord Mongo (Hawkwind gone mad in cardboard masks?) / Snakes (Polythene do cowboy shtick) / Jackie O (Manchester's Blues Explosion?) Earlier the same evening... Pat Thomas & Bitten By A Monkey / Seemay & Seaming / Daniel Weaver / Daniel Weaver & Sherry Ostopovitch & Pat Thomas (improvisation in a church) Sean Na Na (Elvis Costello revival?) / Polaris (the Leeds Slint?) Shikari (chaos) / Seein' Red (fastest drummer on the planet? 22 years of raging political Dutch hardcore) / Driven Down / 2 other bands whose names I've forgotten These last four all being examples of the "moribund" state of the Manchester gig scene The First Shellac All Tomorrow's Parties (Wire, Mission of Burma, etc, go look at the site if you want to know who else played) Quite a lot of performances per gig! Shame I missed Dr Robert, could've done with an emetic to shift the unruly gut! Zbigniew Karkowski sounded like a good laugh. He's been quite prolific recording wise, but my pick of those I've heard would be the MAZK collaboration with Masami Akita on OR. On the horizon? Martin Tetreault's Turntable Hell The Breeders Sonic Youth Fugazi??? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Otomo Yoshihide - Anode ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:37:46 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] US Tour Billions Rick >>>On the other hand, he implied that they would be on tour in the US around September! Wire's plans to tour the US in September were still being finalised the last I heard. Ten Years After a second Reading might Burn? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:38:10 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma Mark of Bursa: >>>Mission of Burma has been one of those for me this year. Heard very little until very recently. But a fantastic live band... A fantastic band full stop. 3 CDs have been reissued recently by Rykodisc and all are essential listening. Slightly annoying that they've left off lots of great tracks that appeared on the Taang compilation 2LP 'Let There Be Burma' but maybe its still available? My copy of their live album 'The Horrible Truth about Burma' is almost as worn out as my old '154' so maybe I'll go for the CD of that which they've added 4 extra songs to. Also need to hear 'Max Ernst' which was stupidly left off all prior vinyl compilations and was played at ATP. Put that mod revival compilation back in the rack and buy Burma. If you want to hear the more experimental side, try Roger Miller's solo recordings. Still many Miller recordings unheard here, but 'Xylyl / A Woman in Half' is excellent instrumental invention & beauty. If you want more shouty rocking stuff go for Peter Prescott's Volcano Suns (their most adventurous and satisfying albums are the SST ones Farced & Thing of Beauty, which includes a cover of BEno / Needles in the Camels Eye). Kustomized continued in a similar vein. Bassist Clint Conley has started a new band w/ Chris Brokaw & the New Year Kadane brothers, called Consonant. The one track I've heard is in a similar vein to his MoB songs, so there album will probably be well worth a listen. MoB had 2 new songs at ATP - Hopefully they'll stick around long enough to record them. Rachel's cellist joined them for one. This interview, which mentions the inadvertant role Wire played in inspiring their reformation, is more informative than the paltry single page '(the) Wire' has deemed them worthy of: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe/2002/01/06/living/normal/a_second_life_for.h tml Their own site is at http://www.missionofburma.com No one who loves Chairs Missing should let life slip away without giving Mission of Burma a listen. >>>I was tempted by this gig, though I have been rather underwhelmed by Lambchop. Nixon got 5* reviews everywhere but it leaves me cold... I won a copy of Nixon in a competition and agree totally, its polite MOR country rock, nothing special to my ears. Calexico on the same label are a much more uplifting and atmospheric listen, especially the 'Hot Rail' album and the 'Drenched' song in particular. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP The Hub - live at the Spitz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:08:01 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! >>MBV in 1989 were almost deafening which led my mate to comparing it with an airplane taking off<< Merzbow at the Garage / Disobay back in his analog contraption days sounded like a jet plane taking off and was nearly as hot as sitting in the engine. Next time I saw him at the Contact Manc he was farting about tediously but conveniently with a laptop and sounded very quiet and polite with no bass in the noise at all. I could've had more fun staying at home with Audiomulch! It was a pity. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:47:48 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? >heard until I went to see Swans who hold the record to this day and >probably always will as I can't imagine anyone being louder. >>>The Guinness record belongs to Manowar, who once played live louder than what a jef plane taking off would sound. >Syarzhuk It isn't just the volume but the space that contains it too... Could you imagine Michael Gira phoning up the Guiness Book of Records to brag about how loud his band were? Gira is a *serious* artist and Swans were not about being the loudest for the sake of pure 'guitar hero' wank braggadocio. Circa 'Children of God' their intention was to create a completely mind-altering / deranging experience. When people lost their sense of balance and walked into walls this could likely have been acheived. Crappy Mundanes had to feed their fans eccies to get them to puke up their guts. Swans couldn't take it the extreme volume idea any further and started doing acoustic Joy Division covers. Judging by recent 24Hr Party Twat film shenanigens, they were still a few years ahead doing that. Any Factoryheads tempted by the 'cashing in' Bis EP? Sounds just the sort of thing for Keith A and his hopes that Wire regress to the pub rock cover circuit. Dan's mind wasn't going after all >>>i have no particular memory of them being any louder than anyone else when i saw them at a small club (tipitina's in new orleans) in the fall of '89. then again, they were touring behind the burning world album It was the tour before this when Children of God was the album. Swans always took whatever aspect remained of interest form the last album and developed it for the next one - ie. In My Garden off CoG is as calm as anything from Burning World. Swans journey from album to album shows a more determined and single minded progression than almost any other band I can think of, except maybe the Fall from Dragnet to Perverted by Language. >>>(which i happen to love, though i gather that lots of swans devotees, & perhaps gira himself, regard it as watered-down sellout pablum or something fairly close to that) It is a good record, and Gira likes some of it - presumably the tracks compiled onto 'Various Failures' 2CD. I think he likes 'God Damn the Sun' as his current band Angels of Light have been playing it at gigs. However it really pales next to Soundtracks for the Blind, Children of God, Holy Money, Swans Are Dead & Love of Life. Gira described the making of 'Burning World' as a 'piece of shit experience' due to dealings with MCA which colour his memory of it. 'See No More' is a great track. Swans last gig is one of the most cathartic sonic experiences lodged in my memory. For the latest newsletter from Michael Gira check out http://www.younggodrecords.com/Letters Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Joseph Suchy - Entskidoo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:15:32 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Tea Cup Storm (How Many Argh?) Young Andrew ruminated >>>As to the rolling "new music" flamewar: Flaming politeness >>>I have pretty mainstream taste in music by the standards of Mr. Rowland, That bastard has no standards. He is an amoral hooligan with foetus on his breath. >>>for example. I manage to enjoy both Slint and Simon and Garfunkel, Tortoise and Television; Well managed, so do I, although the only S&G I have is a hilarious album of covers by the Coolies. Tortoise enjoy Television too. People try to put 'em down! >>>and I'm from the generation who were getting into music at the time Britpop ruled the charts - and a reasonable amount of the music I like is up to twenty years older than *I* am, including Wire's first three albums. No surprise there, I had not yet achieved existation when Cage was doing imaginary landscaping, or when Ayler honked spiritual. Little does it detract from my enjoyments. >>>I got into Wire, I'll freely admit, because bands I like namechecked them: REM's cover of "Strange" (on Document), Whereas I got into REm because they covered Wire. Following the pathetic / annoying Reveal album I've recently got well out of REM. They are no longer interesting. >>>when I encountered it, didn't hurt any either. Wire, to me, are interesting because they're poised at the cusp of so many things: visceral/detached, cerebral/emotional, composed/chaotic. Philosophical / Throwaway Serious / Silly Loud / Quiet Hard / Gentle Gentle / Fatal Intellectual / Not ineffectual But we must demand consistancy from artists! Don't forget they write nice songs too! (Wire make a noise) (a noise on the cusp of many) (how many argh?) There is a strong yin-yang aspect to Wire - split the band up into any 2 groups of 2 and each displays opposite but complimentary tendencies, eg. 1. Lewis, Newman - visual performers, acting out the noise Gilbert, Gotobed - still, zen, melting into the noise 2. Gilbert, Lewis - Dome, deconstruction, ritual view, red tent, bread and shed, guinness & cigs Newman, Gotobed - Repetitive Stoats, songform, heartbeat, 1, 2, 3 beep beep, veg & fish 3. Gilbert, Newman - guitar angles Lewis, Gotobed - rhythm, propulsion The above are generalisations of course but could go some way to explaining why Wir was relatively short lived - the balance was tipped. Bruce tried to keep the balance by sitting down and putting his glasses on but it was all in Vien. >>>I'm not about to apologise for having a musical sweet tooth on occasion, just as I'm not for listening to music which many people find physically unpleasant Some find hype-media chartpops nauseous. Who will buy my pappy pops? >>>(speaking of MBV, I know of at least one person who is made to feel nauseous by "Loveless"): I know of many made to feel nauseous by many other things too boring to bring up here for risk of someone reminiscing about them for years to come. How many argh? >>>nor am I about to angst that, as some representative of 'the Youth of Today' Ladies and gentlemen, its the new Joe Strummer! >>>(there *is* no coherent youth culture outside of the clubs, deal with it) How do you know that? Does it need coherence? Is it true that if the kids are united they will never (oi oi) be divided? >>>in some way I have a duty to subvert authority through my taste in music. How can this be achieved? Going underground where the noises hum for tomorrow? Or collecting Jam collections? How could they leave damson and blueberry out of this year's Jam collection? Write a letter to Prime Minister today! Three cheers for all on Ideal Copy! Congratulations for working out email at last! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Gilles Deleuze said, "Darkness and the struggle of the spirit, white and the alternative of the spirit are the first two procedures by which space becomes any-space-whatever and is raised to the spiritual power of the luminous." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T Does anyone have.......... ......any 'Bomb Party' on C.D?Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:41:42 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tea Cup Storm (How Many Argh?) On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 03:15:32PM +0100, Bill Hick wrote: > I wrote: >> I got into Wire, I'll freely admit, because bands I like namechecked >> them: REM's cover of "Strange" (on Document), > > Whereas I got into REm because they covered Wire. Following the pathetic / > annoying Reveal album I've recently got well out of REM. They are no longer > interesting. I wouldn't characterise it as "pathetic" or "annoying", but I think it's their weakest yet. It's merely... average, and average isn't good enough to keep me listening to a record. > But we must demand consistancy from artists! Oh. Must we? How *boring*. > There is a strong yin-yang aspect to Wire - split the band up into any 2 > groups of 2 and each displays opposite but complimentary tendencies, eg. [... snip ...] > The above are generalisations of course but could go some way to explaining > why Wir was relatively short lived - the balance was tipped. Interesting theory. It seems Wire weren't short on internal tension either, so a kind of "cabin fever" effect is not, I guess, implausible. Your interviews (very interesting reading, thanks) seem to support that theory. [...] >> nor am I about to angst that, as some representative of 'the Youth of >> Today' > > Ladies and gentlemen, its the new Joe Strummer! Not the last time I checked, no. I'm not in a garage band, and last time I was there, Edinburgh wasn't Garageland. The idea of me being particularly representative of *anything* is farfetched, but that hasn't stopped it being tried in the past; it was this I was (OK, somewhat clumsily, but whatever) highlighting the irony of. > >>>(there *is* no coherent youth culture outside of > the clubs, deal with it) > > How do you know that? I talk to my peers, strangely enough. The myth of a united youth culture is particularly seductive, but has always been exactly that - mythic. Myth, however, is generally a lot more interesting than fact, as long as you don't try and base your life around it. Is myth the common thread of popular culture(s)? [20 marks]. > Does it need coherence? The concept of coherency has its uses - try building a laser without it - - but interference patters are intrinsically more interesting. In my view, anyway. > Is it true that if the kids are united they will never (oi oi) be divided? Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "nuclear families". >> in some way I have a duty to subvert authority through my taste in >> music. > > > How can this be achieved? Subverting authority? I wouldn't know where to start, but I'd suggest the media, both paper and electronic, is a rather better places to start than in the record shop. Of course, with the political hand-grenade of the (USian) DMCA and the (European) EUCD about to go off, these two issues are rapidly converging. Yet another reason to Read and Burn while we can. Andrew - -- "You think I'm dead, but I sail away ..." - the Pixies, "Wave of Mutilation" ('Doolittle') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 11:29:55 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's video > > I was just on the Beggars Banquet site and I found > > this > > http://www.beggars.com/mp3/video/collinnewman_b.mov > > I was recently watching the Wire video of Uri's and > that video is on it! Pretty strange! Might even be on > that CD-R as well. I guess I'll have to check that out > as well! > Hi everyone, By the way - that video is multi-rate. The higher your bandwidth connection, the bigger the video. If you can muster 300 kbps (or higher), it looks great. (256x192 pixels) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:32:38 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Last Five Gigs In a message dated 5/12/02 10:03:23 AM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > Zbigniew Karkowski sounded like a good laugh. He's been quite prolific > recording wise, but my pick of those I've heard would be the MAZK > collaboration with Masami Akita on OR. > hasn't he recorded something for the Mego label? np-symptoms-apathy robert lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 11:33:14 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's video > The higher your bandwidth > connection, the bigger the video. Also, since it's QuickTime, you have to make sure that the QuickTime Connection Speed is set high enough to enable the higher bandwidth. In other words, even if you have DSL, if the QuickTime Control Panel is set to 56k Modem Connection Speed, that's the only version you'll see. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:53:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? > Any Factoryheads tempted by the 'cashing in' Bis EP? Sounds just the sort of > thing for Keith A and his hopes that Wire regress to the pub rock cover > circuit. yes. i dream about the forthcoming wire sing dr feelgood on a nightly basis. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:58:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? In a message dated 5/12/02 3:48:19 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > Any Factoryheads tempted by the 'cashing in' Bis EP? Sounds just the sort > of > > thing for Keith A and his hopes that Wire regress to the pub rock cover > > circuit.>>>>> > > yes. i dream about the forthcoming wire sing dr feelgood on a nightly > basis. > > keith > >>>>>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHA!.....or maybe Smokin' in the Boy's Room?...HAHAHAHHAHAH RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:05:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why Spam the Fly? > SY actually played Victoria over the Fall version. MES not amused. The next SY > session with 4 instrumentals never released elsewhere was more interesting. yes i liked that too. as to whether it was MORE interesting is a matter of opinion. > The 2000 WireVersion was about Wire covering themselves. Maybe they should > just do Messy Elliot remixes like everyone else? what a good idea > >>>so rather than alternative versions of > 'R&B' stuff, how about a glam session of, say, 'jeepster', 'ballroom blitz', > 'jean genie' and 'rock & roll pt2' > > Already been there: Have a listen to 'Feeling Called Love' > or '...stopping' which is why i thought it'd be a good idea to do 'ballroom blitz' in the first place! > But what a vapid notion - typical retrogressive Q reader mentality. well it's either Q or buy crap fanzines from the RFH! > I expect most would agree it would be better to hear them play the new > songs... > > 99.9 > Read & Burn > Mr Marx's Table > 10 Years After > i'd like that too > Wire's live encore of 'Roadrunner' was never officially recorded. The reason > seems obvious. perhaps they were out of tune or under-rehearsed? > Keith's idea of doing something different doesn't seem very different. no it doesn't does is. alas i'm not as cutting edge as you. > If you really want to hear covers of those songs why not start your own band to play them? because then it wouldn't be wire doing them would it > Maybe a couple of them could be persuaded to wear cardboard tubes on their > heads. Such an unseen visual stunt for radio would perfectly compliment > recording without sound. > > Go ahead. > There's an opening at the Job Centre for Boring Uncut House Band, minimum > wage, integrity not required. Demos to be forwarded to J Peel. > honestly, you're so sharp your fingers must bleed every time you touch yourself. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:10:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] magazine in concert cd got a great bargain today. magazine's 'bbc radio 1 live in concert' cd for 3 quid! for those of you who don't have it, it's got the following on it... definitive gaze, great beautician...., give me everything, my tulpa, back to nature, and shot by both sides. it's a bit of a perfunctory run thru to be honest (and dave formula was having a bit of an off-day on his synth, a problem hilited by it being so high in the mix), but howard's in pretty good voice and the version of 'shot...' is good. an 'interesting' bargain if nothing else. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:13:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing Robert, << have any of the Der Plan or Palais Schaumburg albums been re-issued on cd? and if so, are they still in print?...this is a missing spot in my electronic pop collection.... >> Der Plan have recently reissued all their stuff - saw it for sale in a German record store last night. You can probably buy it online via www.wom.de which is a big German chain. the site is in German but it's fairlky loigical to follow even if you can't speak the language. Their prices are low and they will ship internationally. Palais Schaumburg may have had the first album reissued in the early 90s - I did pick up an album by PS offshoot Die Zimmermanner (a fantastic ironic name BTW - it means The Carpenters) on CD a few years ago in Germany. Don't suspect this will be easy to find though and I'm pretty sure the later albums haven't been reissued. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:16:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch PAL'SCHUM' Just to keep on tiopic (and I'm sure this has been mentioned before...) but the live side of the DAF album Die Kleinen und die Bosen was the support show to Wire's Document & Eyewitness gig at the Electric Ballroom. Mark << ANY "DAF" out there..... they could really do it for me... in the electro beat dept. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:24:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo... Hi Uffe, << All Der Plan have been re-issued on CD (except Es Ist Ein Fremde Und Seltsame Welt). Geri Rieg /Normalette Surprise Die Letzte Rache Live At The Tiki Ballroom Perlen Die Peitsche Des Lebens CD 1995<< Didn't relaise there were as many as that! I think I have the first two, plus at least one Pyrolator album... >> The first and the last (and always??) Palais Schaumburg has made it to CD. Palais Schaumburg Parlez Vous Schaumburg Correct me if Im wrong, but Singles File & Lupa has yet to be issued on CD.<< I guess these have never ventured outside Germany! >>As for Holger Hiller, the MUTE CD "Oben Im Eck" (cdstumm 38) includes Ein Bundel Faulnis In Der Grube (his first). But, to make things even more complicated. There is a "mini-opera" that Hiller and Andreas Dorau wrote together. I believe it was released in 1983.<< It's called Guten Morgen Hosen (Good Morning Trousers). If I were cruel, I'd describe it as Pants. But that's unfair ;-) Hard going though...wonder if it was ever actually performed? >>And while on the subject of Dorau, Der Plan used to be involved with his first albums.<< And one of Der Plan was in Die Fehlfarben, some of whom were in DAF (the two bands were both part of an earlier punk band, and both did versions of the song Kebabtraume (in much the same way that Teardrop Explodes & Echo & the Bunnymen both played Read it in Books...) That whole German scene was hugely incestuous.... Some of these people also compiled the And Here it is again...Wire compilation BTW. >> Question from me to "Deadly Doris" gang, why the h#$l are the Schaumburg albums so d%&n expensive ? Regular price for the CD's are around 50 ? on ebay. >> Never seen one for sale on Ebay. I'd love a proper CD of the first PS album... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:28:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's video The B video was actually broacast at the time on The Old Grey Whistle Test.... Nearly fell off me chair at the time when it came on! Mark << I was recently watching the Wire video of Uri's and that video is on it! Pretty strange! Might even be on that CD-R as well. I guess I'll have to check that out as well! > I was just on the Beggars Banquet site and I found > this > http://www.beggars.com/mp3/video/collinnewman_b.mov >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:40:05 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! If anyone's interested I have quite a good sound effects album of jet planes taking off. Makes Merzbow sound like Belle & Sebastian. Mark << >>MBV in 1989 were almost deafening which led my mate to comparing it with an airplane taking off<< Merzbow at the Garage / Disobay back in his analog contraption days sounded like a jet plane taking off and was nearly as hot as sitting in the engine. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:45:53 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? << Swans journey from album to album shows a more determined and single minded progression than almost any other band I can think of, except maybe the Fall from Dragnet to Perverted by Language. >> But not nearly as funny... Pay the Borough! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:44:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? << Any Factoryheads tempted by the 'cashing in' Bis EP? >> Only for the morbid curiosity of hearing *someone* attempt to cover Section 25.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:09:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma << A fantastic band full stop. 3 CDs have been reissued recently by Rykodisc and all are essential listening.<< Indeed. Picked them all up at the garage gig. Very enjoyable. >> Slightly annoying that they've left off lots of great tracks that appeared on the Taang compilation 2LP 'Let There Be Burma' but maybe its still available?<< Probably lurking in bargain bins stateside.... >> Put that mod revival compilation back in the rack and buy Burma.<< There's a mod revival comp?? Where!?! ;-) >> MoB had 2 new songs at ATP - Hopefully they'll stick around long enough to record them. Rachel's cellist joined them for one. This interview, which mentions the inadvertant role Wire played in inspiring their reformation, is more informative than the paltry single page '(the) Wire' has deemed them worthy of:<< Judging from the Wire interview they're a going concern, as they've found a way to work round Miller's hearing problems... For the benefit of anyone who hasn't seen them, Mission of Burma is quite an extraordinary visual experience. Standard three piece band, but to protect Tinnitus sufferer Roger Miller's hearing, the drummer plays behind sound-deadening glass screens, Miller stands *behind* his Marshall stack and plays the entire gig wearing huge industrial-quality ear defenders.... >>> I won a copy of Nixon in a competition and agree totally, its polite MOR country rock, nothing special to my ears. Calexico on the same label are a much more uplifting and atmospheric listen, especially the 'Hot Rail' album and the 'Drenched' song in particular. >> Yee-haw!! Graeme's gone alt.country on our collective ass! Personally I'd recommend Son Volt's Wide Swing Tremolo, The Jayhawks' Sound of Lies and the new Wilco album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot if you're on an alt.country tip. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:59:28 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma >Yee-haw!! Graeme's gone alt.country on our collective ass! > >Personally I'd recommend Son Volt's Wide Swing Tremolo, The Jayhawks' Sound >of Lies and the new Wilco album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot if you're on an >alt.country tip. > >Mark & i'd go with the riptones' 3 (i think) albums, trailer bride's first 3 (the new one, high seas, strikes me so far as a bit of a comedown) & of course the waco brothers' to the last dead cowboy. i also have fairly high hopes for the newly re-formed meat purveyors' new release, based on their first 2. it goes without saying, surely, that the mekons' (recently reissued) fear & whiskey sets the standard for the subgenre, even 17 years on. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:40:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] He Lost Airplanes! or, alternatively, just stand in richmond park on a fine summers day ; ) keith > If anyone's interested I have quite a good sound effects album of jet planes > taking off. Makes Merzbow sound like Belle & Sebastian. > > Mark > > << >>MBV in 1989 were almost deafening which led my mate to comparing it with > an > airplane taking off<< > > Merzbow at the Garage / Disobay back in his analog contraption days sounded > like a jet plane taking off and was nearly as hot as sitting in the engine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:50:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Castration is a Good Idea? do the fall and 'progression' go together??? i thought that they were simply 'the fall' (no insult intended), a band that went off at interesting tangents (rockabilly, brix pop, glam drums) but were essentially always the fall. last time i saw them circa '97, MES put the mic in the open bass drum and then walked off. every time the drummer hit that particular drum, the noise was this horrible, distorted (and very LOUD) thud... keith > << Swans journey from album to album shows a more determined and > single minded progression than almost any other band I can think of, except > maybe the Fall from Dragnet to Perverted by Language. > >> > > But not nearly as funny... > > Pay the Borough! > > Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #148 *******************************