From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #147 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 12 2002 Volume 05 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing ["DAVID HEALE" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing [RLynn9@ao] Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch PAL'SCHUM' ["DAVID HEA] SV: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing ["Uffe Silverup" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:27:06 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing morning Mark thanks for reflections........ i will get back to you more fully later........ palias schumb' i missed out on there early stuff that featured....? ahhh.. his name slips my mind..he left fairly early on and made a stab at a solo carreer - very influencial electronic/cut collaged sound...what was his name??? do you have albums from this era? 23 skidoo where my favorite band of that time saw them in 81.. but a 82 show at the venue ldn. blew me away.."hypnotic or what!" do you have any live tapes of them by any chance? OH... DEAR gen!O... and his 3 fluids ..i think he just wasnt properly "potty" trained...to be so in awe of his own body fluids. NO need to go into them here.. a bit too early in the morning... but you got to remember he's a product of art sch. in the 60's.. and if you couldn't paint.....you worked on yourself.. ho hoho .in every sense..... last few days... they were an off shoot of skidoo werent they.. sure i've got a demo tape of them somewhere.... or rehearsal w/odd member of skidoo.... i need my morning coffee .. catch you later david in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:07 AM Subject: Re: THE DEADLY DORIS > David, > > << mark your last mail really got me thinking back to gigs and living in > London > a trying to track down illusive albums..... > i spent ages trying to find recordings by " die todliche doris" > rough trade had some.. but not all .. even wrote tothe band in berlin. > do you have any of their stuff.... do you recall their 8 mini disc release > with an action man mini disc player.. to play them on.. > i'm still looking for odd n ends of theirs!!!!<< > > Y'know of all the German bands of the early 80s The Doris is the one I've got > nothing by. I was heavily into German music about that time (I speak-a da > lingo, and spent Summer 83 in Frankfurt) and have loads of stuff by fantastic > bands like Palais Schaumburg, Der Plan, Die Fehlfarben etc. But never TDD. I > read something about them in the Wire mag a while back - one of the main > people is dead, unfortunately, but the surviving members seemed proud of the > band. Very extreme conceptual stuff from what I remember.... > > >> saw birthday party at ACTION SPACE. gallery in covent gdn in 1981 was it... > before that area became "cappacino bar'd" that was anther confrontation > evening....going to gigs was eventful to say the least!<< > > Saw the BP many times in London - the Venue in Victoria (twice - once with > the Cocteau Twins), also Hammersmith Palais, the Lyceum and Central London > Poly - most of these were 82-83. Saw them in 81 on tour at Nottingham Rock > City supporting Bauhaus and the "lounge" Subway Sect... great gigs all of > those....aah, nostalgia ;-) > > >> TALKING OF ALL THINGS GEN. P.ORRIDGE > have you witnessed his latest guise..with it's..slightly drag queen asexual > vibe about it. sometimes i think he's a total fraud and others you sort of > thankful he's there to stir things up a bit.... > anyway be good to hear from you >> > > There was always an element of high camp about that whole PTV/Current > 93/Nurse with wound/Death in June/Coil/Whitehouse set. That whole nazi/serial > killer/religious cult tip lends itself to high campery. Wore very thin after > a while... > > I went to all four nights of the Final Academy at Brixton Ritzy (late 83) > with Burroughs, Gysin etc reading, plus live performances of a high standard > from Cabs, 23 Skidoo and Last Few Days (now there's a lost band....) On the > last night GPO "launched" Psychic TV with quasi-religious pomp, messages from > Thee temple and "holophonic" sound (ie stereo!) > > Also issued instructions on how to perform Thee Sigil Of Thee Three Liquids. > Best I don't explain that one ;-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:13:27 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] albini on our topic, circa 1985 This is the same article that is reproduced on the inner sleeve to the infamous semi bootleg of Big Black called Sound of Impact. He also mentions a list of bands he likes, which includes Skrewdriver for some reason. At this time Messrs Lewis and Gilbert joined Big Black on stage at the Clarendon so they evidently took it on the chin. Mind you, no Mr Newman. John >From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] albini on our topic, circa 1985 >Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:10:07 EDT > >found some old zines in a box in the basement. while skimming through a >musty >copy of forced exposure from the summer of 1985, i came across a big black >article entitled "amen a pen a canal - enema". written by albini himself, >the >article is preceded by an editor's note "lest this swell article seem a >rank >batch o' self-aggrandizement on the part of a thin white dick, allow us to >say right here that we s'licited it." > >the following is the part i thought would be of most interest here: > >"i want to push myself, the music, the audience and everything involved as >close to the precipice as possible. although i'm kinda worried about what >we'll find there. all the coolest pioneers of this noise spirit seem to >have >made the trip to the extreme, been unable, or unwilling, to push on, and >tossed in the towel. spk and pil on elektra records, for christ's sweet >little boy buttfuck murder's sakes. alan vega making a disco 12" with >ministry backing him up. the stranglers using string sections. colin newman >putting a kibosh on a wire reunion because his fucking guru told him to >leave >music forever. husker du sounding like buffalo springfield, baad company, >king crimson, and husker du, all on the same record. is there something out >there that signals "hey, that's enough. you've pushed the boundaries far >enough. time to go home and suck for a while." i want to find out." > >interesting that the article (although it may have been written long before >the publishing date) came out only months before snakedrill. i wonder what >albini's take on 80's wire is. was it "going home and sucking" or "making a >trip to the extreme"? a bit of both perhaps? > >even though i already owned chairs missing, it wasn't until snakedrill that >i >truly sunk myself into wire (past and present). i think i started listening >to 154 and ideal copy at about the same time. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 05:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: O.TJack Rabid to appear in MTV national TV program this weekend / New Big Takeover issue 50 at printer / 1980-1981 New York punk rock bands, including Jackšs old Even Worse, to reunite for special June weekend concerts / LBE to finish LP, to play with Adverts leader TV Smith - --- jack rabid wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:56:48 -0400 > Subject: Jack Rabid to appear in MTV national TV > program this weekend / New > Big Takeover issue 50 at printer / 1980-1981 New > York punk rock bands, > including Jack9s old Even Worse, to reunite for > special June weekend concerts / LBE to finish LP, > to play with Adverts > leader TV Smith > From: "jack rabid" > To: jrabid@bigtakeover.com > > > > > JACK RABID TO APPEAR IN MTV NATIONAL TV PROGRAM THIS > WEEKEND / NEW BIG > TAKEOVER ISSUE 50 AT PRINTER / 1980-1981 NEW YORK > PUNK ROCK BANDS, INCLUDING > JACK9S OLD EVEN WORSE, TO REUNITE FOR SPECIAL JUNE > WEEKEND CONCERTS / LBE TO > FINISH LP, TO PLAY WITH ADVERTS LEADER TV SMITH > > MTV SPECIAL: > For those who missed it last weekend (we didn9t even > know it was going to be > on!), MTV will once again be airing a special > program twice more this coming > weekend, on the history of slam dancing/moshing. > "Ultra Sound-The History Of > The Mosh Pit2 includes Big Takeover editor Jack > Rabid speaking for about > 15-20 seconds. Jack is shown on camera talking about > the first time this > dubious phenomenon occurred in New York, in March of > 1981, at a Black > Flag/Mission of Burma show at the Peppermint Lounge > on 45th street. This > incident was originally covered in Jack9s angry > editorial in issue #5 of The > Big Takeover 21 years ago (a portion of which was > quoted in Michael > Azerrad9s new book, Our Band Could Be Your Life; > Jack also talks about it in > Steve Blush9s new book, Hardcore: A Tribal History), > so Jack was asked to > appear on camera to speak about that evening again > and his distaste for the > ubiquitous concert audience practice ever since. > Those who want to watch, > here are the times it will be on: > > Sat May 11 1:30pm EST > Sun May 12 4:00pm EST > > Those in other time zones should consult their local > listings for more > information on > when the program will air. > > ******* > > NEW BIG TAKEOVER ISSUE 50 COMPLETED: > In other Big Takeover news, the brand new issue 50 > has been completed and is > at the printers and will soon be shipping to > distributors and subscribers. > It will be the biggest Big Takeover ever, clocking > in at an even 300 pages! > (Contents highlights below.) This is the perfect > time to renew your > subscription if you haven9t had a chance, or to > subscribe if you haven9t > yet. It9s easy to do with our new secure online > store at > www.bigtakeover.com. Or, if you haven9t a Visa or > Mastercard, you can always > send us a check for the $20 to Jack Rabid, The Big > Takeover, 249 Eldridge > St. #14, New York, NY 10002, USA. ($20, $26 to > Canada, $28 overseas, check > made out on U.S. bank in U.S. dollars, or > international postal money order, > or well-concealed cash). > > Here9s the lineup for the upcoming issue 50: Social > Distortion9s Mike Ness > (the cover), Mission of Burma (all 3!), The > Breeders9 Kim Deal, Ash, Super > Furry Animals, The Damned, Part 2, Radio Birdman, > Part 2, Saves the Day, The > Shins, Elbow, The Church, Rebecca Gates, Sigur Rss, > Spiritualized, James > Williamson on his days in The Stooges, Mike Watt, > Slaughter & the Dogs, Mike > Azerrad (author, Our Band Could be Your Life), Brian > Jonestown Massacre, > Soundtrack of Our Lives, Pinback, Divine Comedy9 > Neil Hannon, Stephen Duffy > of The Lilac Time, The Good Life, The Monarchs > (ex-Hoodoo Gurus and Glide), > The Lassie Foundation, Youth Brigade/BYO Records > 20th anniversary, Dillinger > Four, The Sights, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, and > editorials on independent > distribution problems, the O Brother LP phenomenon, > and the major labels9 > bad executive business practices. And more! > > ************ > > OLD NEW YORK PUNK ROCK BANDS TO REUNITE FOR ONE > WEEKEND: There will be a > formal announcement coming here soon, but we wanted > to give you a sneak peak > into an exciting late June event here in New York, > namely 3The Big Takeover > and Complete Control Entertainment present the 20th > Anniversary of the New > York Thrash tape/CD! For this special weekend, > Saturday and Sunday, June > 21-22, several bands of that legendary 1980-1981 New > York punk rock scene > will be reuniting to play together one more time, at > CBGB, where many of > them played two decades ago. So far confirmed are > KRAUT (all four original > members, Doug, Donny, Davy, and Johnny), Jack > Rabid9s old band EVEN WORSE > (all four members from the lineup on that CD, with > Rebecca, Bobby and Eric), > ADRENALIN O.D. (all four original members, Paul, > Dave, Bruce, and Jack), > FALSE PROPHETS (Stephen, Steve, and Peter), > NIHILISTICS (with Ron and > Chris), THE MOB (all four original members), and THE > MISGUIDED (all four > original members). This is truly a unique weekend, > and we hope all who > fondly remember that scene and that amazing > compilation LP, or wish they > could have seen it, will come to New York for the > two shows. We9re still > trying to get a few of the other bands or their > members on the tape/CD, > Heart Attack, Undead, Beastie Boys, Bad Brains, Mad, > Stumulators, etc. > involved, so stay tuned! Even Worse also will > release a retrospective LP, > 3You9ve Ruined Everything2 on L.A. punk label Grand > Theft Audio, with hopes > the CDs will be ready in time for the two weekend > shows. > > ****** > > LBE TO FINISH LP AND PLAY WITH TV SMITH OF THE > ADVERTS! > Finally, in Last Burning Embers news, the band is in > the studio next week > sequencing and mastering their first LP, and will be > shopping it around > soon. The group will play their first gigs since > December in July, Sat. the > 6th at Knitting Factory, and Sunday the 7th at > Maxwells, with T.V. Smith > ex-The Adverts. Smith has only previously played one > gig in the U.S. in his > 25 year career, at South By South West, and these > will be his debut New York > shows. For the occasion, LBE will even back him for > a few Adverts numbers > like 3Gary Gilmour9s Eyes2 and 3One Chord Wonders.2 Man! ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:33:54 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: O.TJack Rabid to appear in MTV national TV program this weekend / New Big Takeover issue 50 at printer / 1980-1981 New York punk rock bands, including Jack1s old Even Worse, to reunite for special June weekend concerts / LBE to fini In a message dated 5/11/02 8:01:45 AM, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: >> Those who want to watch, >> here are the times it will be on: >> >> Sat May 11 1:30pm EST >> Sun May 12 4:00pm EST i see ari is also on jack's email list ;o) and beat me to posting this, heh. anyway, yeah, this is the show i saw where many of the interviewees i saw seemed to conveniently forget earlier forms of moshing and crowd surfing. i missed jack's 15 seconds. maybe i'll tune in again. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:43:31 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing In a message dated 5/11/02 3:36:12 AM Central Daylight Time, d.heale@virgin.net writes: > i will get back to you more fully later........ > palias schumb' i missed out on there early stuff that featured....? > ahhh.. his name slips my mind..he left fairly early on and made a stab at a > solo carreer - very influencial electronic/cut collaged sound...what was > his > name??? > Holger Hiller? RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:50:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PSB/Eminem:The war is on! In a message dated 5/10/02 6:45:30 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > it's time for me to finally take "play" out of its shrinkwrap) & -- ouch! > > >-- eminem's "without me." > > > > moby's i can take or leave...but despite the usual misgivings, i must > admit > > to liking Shady's new one a great deal... > > > > ian.s.j. >>>>>>>>>>>> "I hope they can stand the backlash. That's funny as hell." Dr. Dre Eminem is portrayed as a homosexual in a new song by the Pet Shop Boys. "The Night I Fell in Love," from the synth-pop duo's Release cd, tells the story of a homosexual boy who falls in love with a rap star backstage at his concert and follows him to a hotel room for a "private performance." The slow-grooving song does not reference Eminem or his Slim Shady or Marshall Mathers monikers, but the lyrics clearly spell out the star's identity. "I said we could be secret lovers/ Just him and me," Pet Shop Boys' Neil Tennant sings on the tune. "Then he joked/ Hey man, your name isn't Stan, is it?/ We should be together." A later verse says, "I asked why have I heard so much about you being charged with homophobia and stuff, and he just shrugged." Tennant, who is homosexual, said in a statement that if Eminem's music is going to be provocative, he is going to be provocative back. "Eminem's defense of the homophobic lyrics on his albums has always been that he's not speaking as himself, he's speaking as a character, and he's representing homophobia in America," Tennant explained. "I thought it would be quite interesting to take that method and just to imagine a scene where a boy meets a famous rap star backstage at his concert and is surprised to discover he's gay and ends up sleeping with him. Just to present rap in this homosexual context. I mean, there obviously are gay rap stars." Eminem was not available for comment, but MTV News played "The Night I Fell in Love" for his mentor and producer, Dr. Dre, who is referenced in a line from the song: "We joked about Dre and his homies." "We needed another song anyway," Dre joked. "They just gave us a concept. Oh my God. I hope they can stand the backlash. That's funny as hell." Although it is possible The Eminem Show, due June 4 (see "The Doc's Diagnosis: Eminem Still Crazy"), will have a retaliatory track from the rapper he's gone after everyone from Britney Spears to Limp Bizkit in the past Tennant was not intending to start a war of words. "I like Eminem's records," he said. "I think he's brilliant." Release is the eighth studio album from the Pet Shop Boys, who are perhaps best known for their first single, 1985's "West End Girls." The duo's new record, which features former Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr on several tracks, strays a bit from their signature style. "The sounds we've used aren't really dance sounds," Pet Shop Boys' Chris Lowe said. "We found that the songs that we liked the most that we'd written weren't really dancey, and, having made that decision not to take dance elements, it was very liberating in terms of songwriting. It gave us a lot more freedom to experiment." The Pet Shop Boys will kick off a tour in support of Release on May 14 in Miami. Pet Shop Boys tour dates, according to their publicist: 5/14 - Miami, FL @ Jackie Gleason Theater 5/15 - Melbourne, FL @ Maxwell C. King Center 5/16 - Altanta, GA @ DeKalb Atlanta Center 5/18 - Washington, DC @ Nation 5/19 - Boston, MA @ Orpheum Theatre 5/21 - New York, NY @ Hammerstein Ballroom 5/22 - New York, NY @ Hammerstein Ballroom 5/23 - New York, NY @ Hammerstein Ballroom 5/25 - Philadelphia, PA @ Electric Factory 5/26 - Toronto, ON @ Massey Hall 5/27 - Detroit, MI @ State Theatre 5/28 - Chicago, IL @ Rivera Theatre 5/30 - Denver, CO @ Auditorium Theatre 6/1 - Dallas, TX @ Bronco Bowl 6/2 - Houston, TX @ Verizon Wireless Theater 6/4 - San Diego, CA @ Copley Symphony Hall 6/5 - Las Vegas, NV @ The Joint 6/7 - Los Angeles, CA @ Universal Amphitheatre 6/8 - San Francisco, CA @ The Warfield 6/9 - San Francisco, CA @ The Warfield Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:51:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] albini on our topic, circa 1985 In a message dated 5/11/02 6:18:02 AM Central Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > This is the same article that is reproduced on the inner sleeve to the > infamous semi bootleg of Big Black called Sound of Impact. He also > mentions > a list of bands he likes, which includes Skrewdriver for some reason. At > this time Messrs Lewis and Gilbert joined Big Black on stage at the > Clarendon so they evidently took it on the chin. Mind you, no Mr Newman. > > John > i have this on video somewhere!...i need to dig it out... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:27:24 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing << thanks for reflections........ i will get back to you more fully later........ palias schumb' i missed out on there early stuff that featured....? ahhh.. his name slips my mind..he left fairly early on and made a stab at a solo carreer - very influencial electronic/cut collaged sound...what was his name???<< Holger Hiller. He's on the first (and best) PS album. Each of the three PS albums has a different vocalist.... >> do you have albums from this era?<< A pretty comprehensive collection. Think I've got all PS's recorded output. >> 23 skidoo where my favorite band of that time saw them in 81.. but a 82 show at the venue ldn. blew me away.."hypnotic or what!" do you have any live tapes of them by any chance?<< Saw them several times - remember seeing them at ULU which was really good. Certyainly have a tape of that. May have others... can't remember if I saw them at the Venue or not..... >> OH... DEAR gen!O... and his 3 fluids ..i think he just wasnt properly "potty" trained...to be so in awe of his own body fluids. NO need to go into them here.. a bit too early in the morning... but you got to remember he's a product of art sch. in the 60's.. and if you couldn't paint.....you worked on yourself.. ho hoho .in every sense.....<< The first 23 punters who completed the course of Sigils received a set of PTV cufflinks or something.... wonder if anybody did?!? >> last few days... they were an off shoot of skidoo werent they.. sure i've got a demo tape of them somewhere.... or rehearsal w/odd member of skidoo.... >> They were stunning at Brixton. There was an album of live/studio stuff which I have but doesn't capture how good they were. Be interested to hear the demo...Later on they wandered off into Chakk/Hula industrial funk territory. Not a sound move. Fritz Haaaaman (or whatever his real name is) out of 23Skidoo was in LFD. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:45:58 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lambchop/Eminem - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > > Lambchop never did anything for me, always thought they were a bit fake. I find that surprising. I've seen them a couple of times now, including last night in York (Keith K, thanks for not blowing the gaff on the unexpected encore), and have really enjoyed them both times - particularly the RFH show I saw. I got the impression of a group of people who enjoy what they do, enjoy working with each other, and believe in the music. Of the Lambchop albums I own, I'm not sure that any are entirely uccessful -the nearest they get is What Another Man Spills, which has a number of fine songs - and Nixon largely left me cold until I saw a large chunk of it performed live, but the hype and the accolades surrounding it meant that they could perhaps have pushed on in a similar vein for a stab at major stardom. The fact that Is A Woman (again, for me, not their best) was quite a shift again suggests to me that 'fake' is rather harsh. Eminem, not too familiar with much of his stuff, but heard the new one the other night. Most of what I've heard seems to be self referential; stuff about being in the music bizz and all that. It reminded me of why Tricky became boring, when it seemed all his stuff started to be about record deals, record companies, contracts and such. Ian B np Wire - The Ideal Copy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 15:51:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing question: have any of the Der Plan or Palais Schaumburg albums been re-issued on cd? and if so, are they still in print?...this is a missing spot in my electronic pop collection.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:26:27 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch PAL'SCHUM' hello robert yes my collection is lacking in this direction also.....seems mark has a fair bit.... i'm looking for 1st schumberg lp+ Holger hillers 1st solo lp. HELP!!!!! I HAVE SEARCHED I DONT THINK THESE HAVE GOT THE REISSUE TREATMENT AS YET.... they were pretty much over looked first time around.. ANY "DAF" out there..... they could really do it for me... in the electro beat dept. must dash David in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing > question: > > have any of the Der Plan or Palais Schaumburg albums been re-issued on cd? > and if so, are they still in print?...this is a missing spot in my electronic > pop collection.... > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 00:10:20 +0200 From: "Uffe Silverup" Subject: SV: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing Hi! All Der Plan have been re-issued on CD (except Es Ist Ein Fremde Und Seltsame Welt). Geri Rieg /Normalette Surprise Die Letzte Rache Live At The Tiki Ballroom Perlen Die Peitsche Des Lebens CD 1995 The first and the last (and always??) Palais Schaumburg has made it to CD. Palais Schaumburg Parlez Vous Schaumburg Correct me if Im wrong, but Singles File & Lupa has yet to be issued on CD. As for Holger Hiller, the MUTE CD "Oben Im Eck" (cdstumm 38) includes Ein Bundel Faulnis In Der Grube (his first). But, to make things even more complicated. There is a "mini-opera" that Hiller and Andreas Dorau wrote together. I believe it was released in 1983. And while on the subject of Dorau, Der Plan used to be involved with his first albums. Question from me to "Deadly Doris" gang, why the h#$l are the Schaumburg albums so d%&n expensive ? Regular price for the CD's are around 50 ? on ebay. /Uffe (who didn't introduce himself when he signed on long time ago, and now feels it's a bit late to do so. But know's a lot about german electronic music, so he hopes he is forgiven) - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]For RLynn9@aol.com Skickat: den 11 maj 2002 21:52 Till: MarkBursa@aol.com; d.heale@virgin.net Kopia: idealcopy@smoe.org Amne: Re: [idealcopy] Re: THE DEADLY DORIS..more deutsch +3.gen liquids skidoo-ing question: have any of the Der Plan or Palais Schaumburg albums been re-issued on cd? and if so, are they still in print?...this is a missing spot in my electronic pop collection.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 23:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's video I was recently watching the Wire video of Uri's and that video is on it! Pretty strange! Might even be on that CD-R as well. I guess I'll have to check that out as well! > I was just on the Beggars Banquet site and I found > this > http://www.beggars.com/mp3/video/collinnewman_b.mov ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #147 *******************************