From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #145 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Later tonight [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Later tonight ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...FALL-unutterable ["DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later tonight I don't belong to one of those qualifications, but going to watch any way. Thnx Alistair! Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > Brittish Tossers branch may be interested to note > On 'later' with jools holland tonight:- > > Brian Ferry / the Hives / Richard Strange / thingmy Black rebel bikers > & (the rather good imo) Handsome Family > > later > A ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:26:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later tonight i seem to recall you were made an honoury member though ; ) > I don't belong to one of those qualifications, but going to watch any way. > Thnx Alistair! > Bart > > Brittish Tossers branch may be interested to note > > On 'later' with jools holland tonight:- > > > > Brian Ferry / the Hives / Richard Strange / thingmy Black rebel bikers > > & (the rather good imo) Handsome Family > > > > later > > A ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:30:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! you were at this gig? i can still remember reading of this at time. paul, i am SERIOUSLY impressed... keith > but the most memorable has to be pil, at the ritz. a show that's been written > about quite a bit, so it's probably not necessary to give all the details > (lemme know, anyone, if you've never heard about it). the band was a last > minute fill in for bow wow wow (who couldn't perform because of annabella's > age), and after waiting over an hour outside in the pouring rain, the > audience was treated to pil behind the ritz' movie screen, playing along to a > lot of prerecorded flowers of romance sounds and johnny taunting the crowd > with "are you getting your money's worth?"... beer bottles were thrown and > the screen was eventually pulled down by the angry crowd. my friend and i > loved the whole thing! heh > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:37:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig you may recall that ray manzarek book 'light my fire' that i quoted from a while back (fullof 'dionysian' references). anyway manzarek reckons morrison invented crowd surfing, but then i suppose he would. i do seem to recall reading that iggy was doing it way back when too. but you're right, gabriel inventing moshing would be funny. keith np bowie - i'm deranged (live mp3 download) > this just reminded me of some show that just ran the other night on mtv (i > think). it was about the birth of the mosh pit! everyone interviewed talked > about crowd surfing becoming a spectacle and detracting from the band > performing, then some of the interviewees spoke about the performers taking > control of the action by doing the crowd surfing (rather than just the > audience members doing it). anyway, here they are going on about how this all > evolved in the 90's with grunge and all that and i'm saying to myself that > peter gabriel did it like 20 years ago. i think it started when he was > touring for what was released on the album peter gabriel plays live. now > there's a funny thought..that in some remote way peter gabriel was > responsible for moshing :o) > > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:53:06 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Later tonight Didn't realise you could pick up the 'good old' beeb over there mate Enjoy A >I don't belong to one of those qualifications, but going to watch any way. >Thnx Alistair! ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Tenuous Wire link - he used an Ovation Breadwinner guitar (as favoured by Mr Newman, though not presently) >> john mckay was obviously their george best - he was class but retired too early... not sure who to compare marco pironni with - find it hard to think of him in football terms (maybe ex LFC goalie tommy lawrence aka 'the flying pig'???) >> Jan Molby? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:04:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! The nearest I can come to that is the Jesus & Mary Chain riot at North London Poly... Mark << you were at this gig? i can still remember reading of this at time. paul, i am SERIOUSLY impressed... keith > but the most memorable has to be pil, at the ritz. a show that's been written > about quite a bit, so it's probably not necessary to give all the details ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:18:38 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig RE crowd walking hello KEITH & ALL there's definately film of mr.iggy pop crowd walking in 1970 at cincinnatti pop festival. the full film is on video amongst hardcore "iggy" collector's.. i recall back in the heady days of old grey whistle test bbc tv. a short clip being "aired" maybe in 1972. iggy was know for covering himself in peanut butter and doing other "naughty naughty" things with members of the crowd..ALSO! ..i wanna be your dog woof woof DAVID in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig > you may recall that ray manzarek book 'light my fire' that i quoted from a > while back (fullof 'dionysian' references). anyway manzarek reckons morrison > invented crowd surfing, but then i suppose he would. i do seem to recall > reading that iggy was doing it way back when too. but you're right, gabriel > inventing moshing would be funny. > > keith > > np bowie - i'm deranged (live mp3 download) > > > this just reminded me of some show that just ran the other night on mtv (i > > think). it was about the birth of the mosh pit! everyone interviewed > talked > > about crowd surfing becoming a spectacle and detracting from the band > > performing, then some of the interviewees spoke about the performers > taking > > control of the action by doing the crowd surfing (rather than just the > > audience members doing it). anyway, here they are going on about how this > all > > evolved in the 90's with grunge and all that and i'm saying to myself that > > peter gabriel did it like 20 years ago. i think it started when he was > > touring for what was released on the album peter gabriel plays live. now > > there's a funny thought..that in some remote way peter gabriel was > > responsible for moshing :o) > > > > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:30:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later tonight In a message dated 5/10/02 5:21:20 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > I don't belong to one of those qualifications, but going to watch any way. > > Thnx Alistair! > > Bart > Well, Bart...The Tossers Society need to expand so you are the official head of the Dutch branch.....Now we have offices in the USA, the UK, and the Netherlands....don't we have a Tosser correspondent in Israel? Giluz? wish me luck tonight..I have two championship games in two different indoor football leagues! I am of course playing for the honor of Tossers Worldwide! good morning (or evening) to all my Tosser friends everywhere! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:31:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! you didn't start it did you mark??? > The nearest I can come to that is the Jesus & Mary Chain riot at North London > Poly... > > Mark > > << you were at this gig? i can still remember reading of this at time. paul, i > am SERIOUSLY impressed... > > keith > > > but the most memorable has to be pil, at the ritz. a show that's been > written > > about quite a bit, so it's probably not necessary to give all the details ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:41:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] how do you say... > Try Beautiful Losers on Clock DVA's Advantage album. Carruthers' tour de > force.... talking of clock dva...in a repeat of the recent 'how do say 154?' episode, how do you pronounce it? i always thought it was Clock D.V.A., but i recall peel pronouncing it 'clock du-va'. i know we can't take radio 1 announcers pronounciation as being 100% correct, cos i think most uk pop pickers of a certain age recall tony blackburn announcing 'planet earth' as being by durran durran. mind you that's not the funniest top 40 moment. did anyone here ever hear that time when they played the uncensored version of that rage of the machine track that basically went 'f--- you' over and over - on national radio on a sunday teatime!!! i honestly thought it was my ears and they must have been singing something like 'f--- you', cos i couldn't believe it. oh well, from clock dva to rage against the machine in one paragraph. tomorrow i will try to get from joan baez to black rebel motor cycle club in three lines ; ) > not sure who to compare marco pironni with - find it hard to think of him in > football terms (maybe ex LFC goalie tommy lawrence aka 'the flying pig'???) > >> > Jan Molby? > > Mark close... but i'll stick with ian's gazza! keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:44:13 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig RE crowd walking DAVID in cornwall said > hello KEITH & ALL > ..i wanna be your dog well i don't know about that david. you seem a very nice bloke and all that but... > woof woof oh alright then ; ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:40:16 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] how do you pronounce it? Keith asked >>talking of clock dva...in a repeat of the recent 'how do say 154?' episode, how do you pronounce it? I have always thought it was pronouned du-vay but i'll have to sleep on it ;-) later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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Carruthers' tour de > > force.... > > talking of clock dva...in a repeat of the recent 'how do say 154?' episode, > how do you pronounce it? i always thought it was Clock D.V.A., but i recall > peel pronouncing it 'clock du-va'. i know we can't take radio 1 announcers > pronounciation as being 100% correct, cos i think most uk pop pickers of a > certain age recall tony blackburn announcing 'planet earth' as being by > durran durran. mind you that's not the funniest top 40 moment. did anyone > here ever hear that time when they played the uncensored version of that > rage of the machine track that basically went 'f--- you' over and over - on > national radio on a sunday teatime!!! i honestly thought it was my ears and > they must have been singing something like 'f--- you', cos i couldn't > believe it. > > oh well, from clock dva to rage against the machine in one paragraph. > tomorrow i will try to get from joan baez to black rebel motor cycle club in > three lines ; ) > > > not sure who to compare marco pironni with - find it hard to think of him > in > > football terms (maybe ex LFC goalie tommy lawrence aka 'the flying > pig'???) > > >> > > Jan Molby? > > > > Mark > > close... but i'll stick with ian's gazza! > > keith - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:05:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... Keith, << talking of clock dva...in a repeat of the recent 'how do say 154?' episode, how do you pronounce it? >> Clock D'vay apparently... heard Adi Newton talking about the band on the radio once and that's how he pronounced it.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:08:48 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... << mind you that's not the funniest top 40 moment. did anyone here ever hear that time when they played the uncensored version of that rage of the machine track that basically went 'f--- you' over and over - on national radio on a sunday teatime!!! i honestly thought it was my ears and they must have been singing something like 'f--- you', cos i couldn't believe it. >> For me the funniest moment was when Peter Powell was telling listeners about the 'Something Else' TV show that was being shown that evening, on which Joy Division's legendary Transmission/She's Lost Control performance was featured. The other band on the show was the Jam. Powell's intro went something like.... "Hey, don't miss tonight's grrreeat new TV show Something Else on BBC2!! Tonight's show features the Jam!!! And Joy Davidson!!!!" Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:13:27 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] r & b txts on wireviews craig informed >>The Read and Burn 01 texts are now online, as approved by Wire. And fascinating they are...Last night I was listening to Mr Newman's awesome singing on 'In the art of stopping' like I was really *hearing* it for the first time & to see the txt in print...eleven words! ...pure, concise magic... & 'germ ship...sponsored by Ford'...haha nails it in ten! nice one craig...(hope you've got settled ok in Iceland) later A ps good luck Robert with the footb. sorry, soccer ;-) ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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I USE TO LIVE AROUND THE CORNER IN liverpool rd.Islington. the month before i saw Einsturzende Neubauten in their first london show.. at same venue".. their "finale" was to fire bomb the back wall of the stage..... which sent security into spasms of hysteria!!! ho ho those were the days. that. blixa bargeld now he's a card to be sure...i'm told he's turned all lounge lizardly now but back then he was poisitive dangereuos to be in the room with.... over and out David in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! > The nearest I can come to that is the Jesus & Mary Chain riot at North London > Poly... > > Mark > > << you were at this gig? i can still remember reading of this at time. paul, i > am SERIOUSLY impressed... > > keith > > > but the most memorable has to be pil, at the ritz. a show that's been > written > > about quite a bit, so it's probably not necessary to give all the details ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:41:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... > Powell's intro went something like.... > "Hey, don't miss tonight's grrreeat new TV show Something Else on BBC2!! > Tonight's show features the Jam!!! And Joy Davidson!!!!" > Mark mark, that's so funny. it actually made me laugh out loud! (i think i'll call them that from hereon : ) Actually, this reminded me of....Do you remember that peel always called ELP 'emerson, lake and PARKER'? (legend has it that some disgruntled fan wrote in with the usual 'stop playing all that rubbish, why don't you play something decent like emerson lake & parker' and it stuck from then onwards... talking of the jam, i saw that new compilation LP that's out. i'd heard that there's a few album tracks instead of some of the singles (didn't notice 'when you're young', 'funeral pyre' or 'absolute beginners'), which is all well and good ('away from the numbers' is there), but how could you possibly have a best of the jam and not include 'all around the world' ??? keith np bryan ferry - another time another place ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:53:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! it's not nearly so impressive as mark and paul's jamc and pil gigs, but i was at erics in 1979 when the teardrop explodes were joined on-stage for their encore by the support act - echo & the bunnymen! they introduced themselves as 'echo & the teardrops' and played (of course) the cope/mcculloch composition 'read it in books'. (although they toured together regularly round that time, i never heard of that happening again. certainly didn't do the previous time i'd seen them both). pity the poor expellaires, who despite being support act came on last and had to follow THAT! Everyone buggered off and the expellaires played to a half empty (at least) erics. needless to say, i stopped but they weren't great - it was too anti-climax. i love their 'zoo' 45 ('to see you') though. think one of their members went onto be in some fairly decent early 80's band but can' think who. over to you mark bursa!!! keith > The nearest I can come to that is the Jesus & Mary Chain riot at North London > Poly... > > Mark > > << you were at this gig? i can still remember reading of this at time. paul, i > am SERIOUSLY impressed... > > keith > > > but the most memorable has to be pil, at the ritz. a show that's been > written > > about quite a bit, so it's probably not necessary to give all the details ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:55:49 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...ADI NEWTON IS AWAY HELLO MARK alittle bit of gossip here...... i'm told by someone who knows adi of clock dva.... that thechap now has to be looked after by his mum....and is somewhat "away with the fairies" all very sad.... did you ever hear that 1st. cassette release only on "Industrial records" crackin'stuff. end of titbit news. David in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... > Keith, > > << talking of clock dva...in a repeat of the recent 'how do say 154?' episode, > how do you pronounce it? >> > > Clock D'vay apparently... heard Adi Newton talking about the band on the > radio once and that's how he pronounced it.. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:12:19 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!!+BOTTLES OF PETROL THROWN David, Yep, I was at that one too. Wasn't the first London gig - they supported the Birthday Party at the Lyceum, and I think they may have played the ICA before that. Remember the firebombs - very good. At the Lyceum they nearly decapitated the front row of the crowd with big iron bars. Also saw them at the Acklam Hall which was pretty scary. Fantastic band.... NLP was a good gig in those days. Also saw the Fall there - MES brought the band back for an encore after everyone had left - there were about 20 people left to witness a prefunctory Mere Pseud Mag Ed. Mark << MARK you were at n.ldn poly to see J&MC SO WAS I ... I USE TO LIVE AROUND THE CORNER IN liverpool rd.Islington. the month before i saw Einsturzende Neubauten in their first london show.. at same venue".. their "finale" was to fire bomb the back wall of the stage..... which sent security into spasms of hysteria!!! ho ho those were the days. that. blixa bargeld now he's a card to be sure...i'm told he's turned all lounge lizardly now but back then he was poisitive dangereuos to be in the room with.... >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:31:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...ADI NEWTON IS AWAY << HELLO MARK alittle bit of gossip here...... i'm told by someone who knows adi of clock dva.... that thechap now has to be looked after by his mum....and is somewhat "away with the fairies" all very sad....<< Hmmm...he was still making records till fairly recently. LTM were trying to secure the rights to the back catalogue for reissue but were being fucked around with by someone - I presumed that was Newton. Still, he was only surpassed by Genesis P Orridge et al in terms of conspiracy-related psychobabble so it'd be unsurprising if he was a gibbering wreck by now. >> did you ever hear that 1st. cassette release only on "Industrial records" crackin'stuff.<< White Souls in Black Suits. Got it on vinyl - there were various Italian issues of it. It does exist on CD, (as does Thirst) though it's not easy to track down. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:35:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... Keith, << Actually, this reminded me of....Do you remember that peel always called ELP 'emerson, lake and PARKER'? (legend has it that some disgruntled fan wrote in with the usual 'stop playing all that rubbish, why don't you play something decent like emerson lake & parker' and it stuck from then onwards...<< He always used to refer to daytime Radio1 jock Andy Peebles as "Andy Pubes".... a most appropriate choice of name. >>talking of the jam, i saw that new compilation LP that's out. i'd heard that there's a few album tracks instead of some of the singles (didn't notice 'when you're young', 'funeral pyre' or 'absolute beginners'), which is all well and good ('away from the numbers' is there), but how could you possibly have a best of the jam and not include 'all around the world' ??? >> Looks like a dreadful comp - though I guess it's meant as an adjunct to the existing greatest hits... Your money would be better saved and spent on the forthcoming Jam at the BBC triple CD (I kid you not...) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:43:17 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! >From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! >but the most memorable has to be pil, at the ritz. a show that's been written >about quite a bit, so it's probably not necessary to give all the details >(lemme know, anyone, if you've never heard about it). the band was a last >minute fill in for bow wow wow (who couldn't perform because of annabella's >age), and after waiting over an hour outside in the pouring rain, the >audience was treated to pil behind the ritz' movie screen, playing along to a >lot of prerecorded flowers of romance sounds and johnny taunting the crowd >with "are you getting your money's worth?"... beer bottles were thrown and >the screen was eventually pulled down by the angry crowd. my friend and i >loved the whole thing! heh Keith L. said something about John wanting to do a live feed and not even be in the building. Speaking of ... Keith's Missing Channel website seems to be ... missing. So many plans he had for it .... Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Gabriel invents moshing! Starts Riot!! Story at 11! IC-types~ > but you're right, gabriel > inventing moshing would be funny. This reminded me of seeing Mr Gabriel around '79 or so. He had John Ellis from the Vibrators on guitar and it was a seriously rocking show! At the end of the encore they did "On the Air" and Gabriel fell into the audience as he's wont to do. Only this time the whole crowd was knocked back when he landed and flattened 3-4 rows of chairs! Once the show was over, there was smoke everywhere and the front of the theater looked like a bomb had gone off! Great show!! I kind of lost interest in his music around '85 but he was always an amazing performer. ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:54:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... In a message dated 5/10/02 11:35:37 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << keith np bryan ferry - another time another place >> hahaha! i was just listening to that last night...which tracks stand out the most to you? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:56:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...ADI NEWTON IS AWAY In a message dated 5/10/02 12:06:59 PM Central Daylight Time, d.heale@virgin.net writes: << alittle bit of gossip here...... i'm told by someone who knows adi of clock dva.... that thechap now has to be looked after by his mum....and is somewhat "away with the fairies" all very sad.... did you ever hear that 1st. cassette release only on "Industrial records" crackin'stuff. end of titbit news. David in cornwall >> oh yeah, i have that..i better check that out tonight...might be worth burning on to cd ; ) RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:49:20 -0400 From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] volume volUME VOLUME! ! [some wire content] Wow...it has taken me weeks to read through the multitude of recent posts. Hopefully this wonbt be too stale to be of interest. First, itbs a great time to be on the list. New music, gigs, lots of threads. 8-) grass is greener Ari remarked on Robertbs lifestyle with some wonder. I know Ibm revealing too much about the pathetic nature of my life, and its been a while since I indulged my herbivorous tastes, but I have to say that having a beer, smoking a bit, and getting laid represents about six months worth of joy for me. umur bile tracks Welcome back. I note, however, that as Emearg re-emerged, there was a contemporaneous thread regarding whether or not Sonic Youth sucked at ATP. Ah, synchronicity. Anyone care to get Miletabs POV? Since lists are not permitted, how about a pool on when the first flaming occurs? Shortly after this post??.... ;) Can you hear me now? Loudest gig was Piper/the Babies/Cheap Trick in the Century Theatre in Buffalo NY. Sat in the 2d row, stage left, in front of the PA. Oy...what a mistake. This was Cheap Trick before Live at Budokan, and the Babies before John Waitebs departure and subsequent descent into MORonity. Not too much in the way of pop sensibility in performance or sound design. I took the SATs the next morningbstill donbt know if I did better or worse than otherwise would have been due to the inability to hear anything. It did provide a nice ability to focus on the written materials, though. Next closest was the Stranglers at some club in NYC in the very early 80's. JJbs bass was punishingbI think I developed an irregular heartbeat by virtue of being exposed to it. Donbt remember much at all, but his words were echoing...for days thereafter. Map Refsbcool places Given that my surname is Newport, Ibve been told that I have familial origins in Wales. Still, all the British geography didnbt mean much to me, but I must confess I love the names: Luton, Scunthorpe, Ynysybwl, etc. I live in Sparks. The best geographic announcement I know is Ian Dury on Live Stiffs: bIbm from Essex...b I do enjoy JCC...nice that the smack hasnbt killed him. Once I get my turntable fixed, one of my first burns to mp3 will be bSnap Crackle & Bop.b RnB: An alternate theory on meaning Beyond the modern usage of reading and burning data to disc, this phrase once carried a wholly different meaning while still pertaining to the distribution of information. In the WWII era, sensitive documents were marked bread and burnb so as to prevent the bad guys from getting their hands on the information contained therein. After reviewing the document, the recipient was to ignite it. A pretty permanent method of informational hygiene. Soundtracks for mopping up barf Everyone in the house is sick with a nasty virus that manifests itself by involuntarily inducing the ejection of copious streams of beige slurry. After the third session of this, and finally getting everyone to sleep, the only thing to do was turn off all the lights, and put on bSilence is Sexyb by Einsturzende Neubaten. The sound of Bargeld oxidizing tobacco was the perfect complement for the toxic activities of the day. Also rotating: Warsaw demos-bat a Later Dateb sounds good right now F*ck you, Drooper (Fleaglebs lost solo LP) Flying Saucer Attack white stripes the queers cornelius remixes bebel gilberto ~~ tanto tempo: love this a lot. What a beautiful voice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:45:31 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!!ENEUBAUTEN ICA ETC HELLO Mark oh.crikey was it that away around i saw those other shows also...but the memory isn't what it use to be.......i missed acklam hall. that also did a land mark peel session if i recall... boy i was a massive fan back then. did you ever see that short bit of film of them at their 1st show in berlin in 1982???.the whole group squeezed beneath a small railway arch. more a art performance than show....i 've got some live shows on tape down here if interested? bye for now david in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!!+BOTTLES OF PETROL THROWN > David, > > Yep, I was at that one too. Wasn't the first London gig - they supported the > Birthday Party at the Lyceum, and I think they may have played the ICA before > that. Remember the firebombs - very good. At the Lyceum they nearly > decapitated the front row of the crowd with big iron bars. Also saw them at > the Acklam Hall which was pretty scary. Fantastic band.... > > NLP was a good gig in those days. Also saw the Fall there - MES brought the > band back for an encore after everyone had left - there were about 20 people > left to witness a prefunctory Mere Pseud Mag Ed. > > Mark > > > << MARK you were at n.ldn poly to see J&MC SO WAS I ... I USE TO LIVE AROUND > THE CORNER IN liverpool rd.Islington. > the month before i saw Einsturzende Neubauten in their first london show.. > at same venue".. their "finale" was to fire bomb the back wall of the > stage..... which sent security into spasms of hysteria!!! > ho ho those were the days. > that. blixa bargeld now he's a card to be sure...i'm told he's turned all > lounge lizardly now but back then he was poisitive dangereuos to be in the > room with.... >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:05:33 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... > Your money would be better saved and spent on the forthcoming Jam at the BBC > triple CD (I kid you not...) > > Mark not sure i'll go that far and buy a triple (!), but i seem to recall the early jam peel sessions were good. in fact, i've got an idea that he transmitted tracks from all of them one night in the late 70's... reminds me, he played all the Fall peel sessions one night after another some years ago (his 50th birthday?). i seem to recall that even then it filled two cassettes...haven't bought much by the fall in recent yrs but i played 'the chisellers' the other day (that's probably as up to date as i've got with them). what a fine record. keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:21:27 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... >> np bryan ferry - another time another place > > hahaha! i was just listening to that last night...which tracks stand out the > most to you? > RL 'the in-crowd' without a doubt. i hadn't heard it in yrs till i got it on cd a couple of yrs back and i couldn't believe how great it sounded. that thrashy gtr during the extended intro is wonderful - there's just something so *alive* about it. have to say that, against the odds, i also particularly like his version of 'you are my sunshine'. keith np 'bastard' (ON TOPIC!!!) Whilst i remember robert, i thought you were a bit harsh on this album! i know what you mean about the limp attempt at dance music, cos some of it is like that. BUT...when colin's being colin and not trying to be roni size, it's a different story. the opening track 'sticky' is really good, and 'without' is an excellent wire-like instrumental (i like 'spaced-in' a lot too). give it another listen - with your finger nr the skip button! - and see what you think... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:15:45 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] THE DEADLY DORIS mark your last mail really got me thinking back to gigs and living in London a trying to track down illusive albums..... i spent ages trying to find recordings by " die todliche doris" rough trade had some.. but not all .. even wrote tothe band in berlin. do you have any of their stuff.... do you recall their 8 mini disc release with an action man mini disc player.. to play them on.. i'm still looking for odd n ends of theirs!!!! saw birthday party at ACTION SPACE. gallery in covent gdn in 1981 was it... before that area became "cappacino bar'd" that was anther confrontation evening....going to gigs was eventful to say the least! TALKING OF ALL THINGS GEN. P.ORRIDGE have you witnessed his latest guise..with it's..slightly drag queen asexual vibe about it. sometimes i think he's a total fraud and others you sort of thankful he's there to stir things up a bit.... anyway be good to hear from you cheers david in cornwall . - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...ADI NEWTON IS AWAY > > > << HELLO MARK > alittle bit of gossip here...... > i'm told by someone who knows adi of clock dva.... that thechap now has to > be looked after by his mum....and is somewhat "away with the fairies" > all very sad....<< > > Hmmm...he was still making records till fairly recently. LTM were trying to > secure the rights to the back catalogue for reissue but were being fucked > around with by someone - I presumed that was Newton. Still, he was only > surpassed by Genesis P Orridge et al in terms of conspiracy-related > psychobabble so it'd be unsurprising if he > was a gibbering wreck by now. > > >> did you ever hear that 1st. cassette release only on "Industrial records" > crackin'stuff.<< > > White Souls in Black Suits. Got it on vinyl - there were various Italian > issues of it. It does exist on CD, (as does Thirst) though it's not easy to > track down. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:27:58 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say...FALL-unutterable KEITH i haven't heard absolute latest fall album which came out these pastfew weeks..... but previous album "the unutterable" was a classic FALL ALBUM REAL TOP DRAW STUFF AND WELL WORTH INVESTIGATING.. esp."dr. buck's letter" dark sinister/dance rockin ambient and the kitchen sink in there .. all mashecd together... track it down. cheers david in cornwall ps the parcel went off this aftn. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how do you say... > > Your money would be better saved and spent on the forthcoming Jam at the > BBC > > triple CD (I kid you not...) > > > > Mark > > not sure i'll go that far and buy a triple (!), but i seem to recall the > early jam peel sessions were good. in fact, i've got an idea that he > transmitted tracks from all of them one night in the late 70's... > > reminds me, he played all the Fall peel sessions one night after another > some years ago (his 50th birthday?). i seem to recall that even then it > filled two cassettes...haven't bought much by the fall in recent yrs but i > played 'the chisellers' the other day (that's probably as up to date as i've > got with them). what a fine record. > > keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #145 *******************************