From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #144 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: my first pig ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Later tonight [Alistair Tear ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 23:11:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: my first pig > >not sure who to compare marco pironni with - find it hard to think of him > >in > >football terms (maybe ex LFC goalie tommy lawrence aka 'the flying pig'???) > > ...Gazza, surely... ;) > > ian.s.j. BINGO! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:12:02 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] southpaw grammar god. i hadn't played this in ages, but there's some really good stuff here. the final track, the 10 minute 'southpaw' is wonderful (it's still not the longest track though). the instrumental coda seems to go on forever, with it's almost tribal beat, the neo-prog seagull effects give way to a more angular sounding gtr part and then, out of the blue, it was gone. and that's forgetting some vintage moz crooning a few mins in... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:06:17 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] First, Loudest, Curtains First show: Queen at Winterland, '74 or '75. A Bill Graham Production at the time when he would come out and announce the upcoming shows, mostly to abuse. Sure, you laugh now but at the time it was exciting: big noise, big hall, bright lights and a lot going on, on and off stage. I lead such a suburban existence I could hardly believe I could actually see my favorite band perform--it was all records for me till then (wow, the people on the record are REAL!). The ticket was $3.00, which even at the time seemed very low. The most painful band I ever experienced, but not necessarily the loudest, was Liabach the second time I saw them (the first time I was awed by their brilliance; this second time irritated by the relentless schtick). The bass was not just loud and pounding, it was also very, very deep. It was like being hit in the chest with a log and I could swear--I'd heard of this could be done--my inner organs were vibrating, nausea ensued. Curtains? I saw the Trey Gunn Band use them just a few months ago. You always know it's a show with curtains. Robert (the other the) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! I guess my Bugs Bunny side is showing! > Curtains? I saw the Trey Gunn Band use them just a > few months ago. You > always know it's a show with curtains. My favorite use of curtains in concerts were: Nine Inch Nails on the 'Downward Spiral' tour in San Jose. The whole stage was hidden by a gauzy, burlap-looking thing. As the music started, they backlit the curtain and Trent pushed against it, looking like some "Nightmare on Elm Street" scene. Very good show! The other was Aerosmith on the "Get a Grip" tour. A large black and white curtain hid the the musicians gear and they began the "rap" intro to 'Eat the Rich' with it in place. Once Joe Perry's riff ended and the power chord intro hit, the curtain just dropped and the band was going full bore and didn't stop for over two hours!! That was a hell of a show! As an aside, I saw them again about 14 months later on the same tour(!) and they really sucked. Alot of cheesy crap like "Crazy", "Angel" and such. Plus they really just seemed tired! This show cured me of wanting to see them ever again! Talk to you later! PS - Just picked up the two new Tom Waits albums! Check 'em out!!! He's the real thing. And that's saying something these days!! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:23:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig In a message dated 5/9/02 10:34:55 AM, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: >In those days in NYC, there was a very cheap, >summer program in the Wolman ice skating rink sponsored by Schaffer Beer. oh wow did that just bring back memories. i must be a bit younger than you though, having attended most of those concerts when they sponsored by wplj (79-82?). the tickets had gone up to 4 bucks by then too. those were some of my first great gigs, including patti smith, the ramones, talking heads, the tubes, peter gabriel, and so many i'm having trouble remembering at the moment. this just reminded me of some show that just ran the other night on mtv (i think). it was about the birth of the mosh pit! everyone interviewed talked about crowd surfing becoming a spectacle and detracting from the band performing, then some of the interviewees spoke about the performers taking control of the action by doing the crowd surfing (rather than just the audience members doing it). anyway, here they are going on about how this all evolved in the 90's with grunge and all that and i'm saying to myself that peter gabriel did it like 20 years ago. i think it started when he was touring for what was released on the album peter gabriel plays live. now there's a funny thought..that in some remote way peter gabriel was responsible for moshing :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:12:37 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lambchop i was very unimpressed with lambchop when i saw them (sort of ... i stayed outside talking to a friend for most of the show) supporting yo la tengo (who also didn't do a whole lot for me) in nashville a couple of years ago. found them quite cloyingly precious, though perhaps it was my apparently innate iconoclasm kicking in, what with them being hometown heroes & all. of course, a couple of weeks ago i happened to chance across their track "whitey" on the old bloodshot comp "nashville: the other side of the alley," & was quite taken with it, so picked up "is a woman" used last month ... now find myself back in "unimpressed" mode. time will, i suppose, tell. dan, somewhat perturbed to report that, thanks to chance vh1 & mtv viewings (neither of which i ever watch, but i've been making a point of catching the former's one-hit wonders countdown all week ... tonight included the vapors, chumba, devo, gary numan, big country & m, along with, uh, terry jacks & the starlight vocal band), the only new songs i've heard lately that have struck me are (titles very approximate) moby's "we're all made of stars" (perhaps it's time for me to finally take "play" out of its shrinkwrap) & -- ouch! -- eminem's "without me." dan >Keith said> >> NP : Is a Woman - Lambchop (seen at Milton Keynes Stables on >Monday [ Mr >> Lumbard also in attendance] and rather impressive I thought, although >with >> 13 of them on stage I'd like them to be LOUDER more often) >> > >Keith, who was the support? Vic Chestnutt?? (I'm seeing them in York on >Friday evening (Ian B) >> >Mark said> I was tempted by this gig, though I have been rather underwhelmed >by Lambchop. Nixon got 5* reviews everywhere but it leaves me cold... >Mark - have you tried What Another Man Spills? - by far their best album >(Ian B) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:56:52 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Curtains for you Rocky!!! most recently, and i think it goes back to 1993, was r.e.m. on a stadium tour where they used curtains around the stage and projected lights and images on them to nice effect. before that, i remember roxy music having a very luxurious looking one behind them, also lit in various colors throughout the night, at radio city music hall for the avalon tour. but the most memorable has to be pil, at the ritz. a show that's been written about quite a bit, so it's probably not necessary to give all the details (lemme know, anyone, if you've never heard about it). the band was a last minute fill in for bow wow wow (who couldn't perform because of annabella's age), and after waiting over an hour outside in the pouring rain, the audience was treated to pil behind the ritz' movie screen, playing along to a lot of prerecorded flowers of romance sounds and johnny taunting the crowd with "are you getting your money's worth?"... beer bottles were thrown and the screen was eventually pulled down by the angry crowd. my friend and i loved the whole thing! heh In a message dated 5/9/02 11:46:00 PM, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: >PS - Just picked up the two new Tom Waits albums! >Check 'em out!!! He's the real thing. And that's >saying something these days!! i just heard one fo the new ones today. fantastic stuff! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:41:58 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Later tonight Brittish Tossers branch may be interested to note On 'later' with jools holland tonight:- Brian Ferry / the Hives / Richard Strange / thingmy Black rebel bikers & (the rather good imo) Handsome Family later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Ian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:25:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lambchop > of course, a couple of weeks ago i happened to chance across their track > "whitey" on the old bloodshot comp "nashville: the other side of the alley," > & was quite taken with it, so picked up "is a woman" used last month ... now > find myself back in "unimpressed" mode. time will, i suppose, tell. i heard a really good re-mix of lambchops new single last week. can't remember the title or who re-mixed it so it's a bit half a story, but it was very chilled. otherwise...well i got 'nixon' and i don't dislike it (the curtis mayfield-like 'up with people' is great), but i don't quite see what all the fuss is about. keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #144 *******************************