From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #143 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 9 2002 Volume 05 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] talk talk [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] goth alert ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig... ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] please note new email addrss ["DAVID HEALE" ] Re: [idealcopy] my first gig ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] A couple of quesions....and a tidbit.. [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] talk talk/my last 5 gigs [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] MusicRemedy - David Bowie Reveals 'Heathen' ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] MusicRemedy - David Bowie Reveals 'Heathen' ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] my first gig [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] talk talk ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] my first gig [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Lambchop ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten Wire Albums. And the winner is... ["Ian B" ] RE: [idealcopy] Lambchop/support ["Andrew Lumbard" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:06:42 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk I agree with both Keiths here and if that's a Keith thing than let me be known as... another the other Keith > Yeah, Keith I pretty much agree with you (this may be a Keith thing). I > still drag my ageing carcass to gigs as often as my wallet, time and the > family will allow (can I, on record, thank my wife Jennifer at this point > for putting up with this behaviour) and love discovering new bands, like > Kaito. But new bands - and especially the hyped ones - aren't necessarily > all they're cracked up to be: cf ... Trail of Dead and The Hives (I went > to see the latter earlier in the year and scowled through most of it). This > is probably a function of age. There's relatively little new under the sun > and it's easy to compare over-hyped bands unfavourably to better examples > from one's past (Sonic Youth and the Ramones in these two examples). But > there's always been something going on to make it worth while, even if the > joys are to be found off the beaten track nowadays. And, like you, there's > stuff I've missed from the past. So it's all up for discussion as far as > I'm > concerned. > > another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 12:27:51 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] goth alert 1. This seems a bit daft seeing as they wouldn't reform for the Pistols' reunion. Or maybe they're hoping that they'll get to play with them for the Golden Jubilee? 2. I heard that Andi Sex Gang had been put away for his penchant for child porn. I must say that I only heard this via a guy in Leicester but the guy did used to be a big fan. He's even got Sex Gang Children tattoos. I apologise if this is completely untrue. John >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] goth alert >Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:11:19 EDT > >well i do indeed see siouxsie & the banshees back touring again. so who , i >wonder , constitutes SATB in 2002. shurely steven severin is not in the >line >up , following his bitter critique (to anyone bored enough to listen) of >the >pistols for reforming in 96? "no integrity" , i think it was , together >with >"just doing it for the cash". please say stevey boy isn't involved this >time >around or i will be a tad depressed (ho ho). > >also i see the sex gang children back in action. they'll be reviving the >batcave next. p _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 12:31:10 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs 'behind the curtain' De Montfort Hall, Leicester. Where else? John >From: giluz >To: John Roberts , ideal copy > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs 'behind the curtain' >Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:26:18 +0200 > >on 08/05/02 10:24, John Roberts at johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com wrote: > > > Pixies played the opening number on one tour behind a curtain. Could >have > > been circa Bossanova. > > >Yeah it has been the Bossanova tour where they played the opening track of >the album Bossanova behind a curtain, immediately followed by Levitate Me >as >the curtain went up (that was the Hammersmith Odeon unless they used other >curtains in other places as well). > >giluz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:23:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk > I agree with both Keiths here and if that's a Keith thing than let me be > known as... > > another the other Keith > no, no, no bart...you've got the best name on the site as far as i'm concerned. we should all become another the bart's... changing the subject, i had a phone call last night from my19yr old son, who's on his gap year travels. 'i bought a wire album in aukland' he said. 'the one with '12XU' on it' (clarified it was 'pink flag' and not a compilation). apparently it cost about 3 nz dollars which he said was about 90p in uk money. bargain... keith > > Yeah, Keith I pretty much agree with you (this may be a Keith thing). I > > still drag my ageing carcass to gigs as often as my wallet, time and the > > family will allow (can I, on record, thank my wife Jennifer at this point > > for putting up with this behaviour) and love discovering new bands, like > > Kaito. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:56:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig... if they come round here, i'm going... i've seen the banshees a few times and they were always good value. and as for suicide - i've never seen anyone provoke such hostility in an audience (this was just by being there, they didn't say anything provocative until the audience started on them). keith > Speaking of Siouxsie and Suicide....i heard a rumour from one of the booking > agents at a local club that Siouxsie is going on tour with Suicide in the > near future!!! > > Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:01:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk > But I do increasinly find myself seeing reformed versions of old > bands! Last five gigs attended - ACR, Wire, The Fall, Mission of Burma, the > Nightingales.... > my last five are a bit retro too. (albeit a far more poppy option) dr robert, psb's, brian wilson, soft cell, gene. note to self - must become a more cutting edge 41 yr old ; ) keith i'd like to see the hives tho....i would have thought they'd have been fun. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:15:18 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] please note new email addrss Hello everyone... re- new e-mail address!!! as you can see i have changed my server as from tonight. address books out ;ok cheers David in cornwall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:03:40 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] goth alert >1. This seems a bit daft seeing as they wouldn't reform for the Pistols' >reunion. Or maybe they're hoping that they'll get to play with them for the >Golden Jubilee? /////sorry , i thought that was hilarious. i recall severin getting incredibly high n mighty about how crap it was for the pistols to reform whereas great artists like himself would quit rather than get boring. and now he's back on the cabaret circuit having to share a stage with the ex-missus and the bloke she ditched him for. ho ho ho. > >2. I heard that Andi Sex Gang had been put away for his penchant for child >porn. I must say that I only heard this via a guy in Leicester but the guy >did used to be a big fan. He's even got Sex Gang Children tattoos. I >apologise if this is completely untrue. > >John > /////well that's all complete news to me. he always seemed pretty weird but i'd never heard that stuff above said about him. i'd have thought if that was true then he'd be giving the touring a rest for a bit? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:07:53 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk In a message dated 5/9/02 8:55:46 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > But I do increasinly find myself seeing reformed versions of old > bands! Last five gigs attended - ACR, Wire, The Fall, Mission of Burma, the > Nightingales.... > my last five are a bit retro too. (albeit a far more poppy option) dr robert, psb's, brian wilson, soft cell, gene. note to self - must become a more cutting edge 41 yr old ; ) keith i'd like to see the hives tho....i would have thought they'd have been fun. >> You lucky dog...i'd love to see the PSB or Soft Cell...There was a great spot about Marc Almond/Soft Cell on VH1's one hit wonders special.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:24:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] goth alert > and now he's back on the cabaret circuit having to share a stage with the ex-missus and the bloke she ditched him for. ho >ho ho. bloody hell paul. we've seen a new side to you today ; ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:26:42 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] my first gig and just to demonstrate the wide age range of this list...mine was 1963 or '64 my mate's big sister took us to see the Rolling Stones / Hollies / Dave Berry at Glasgow Odeon First without a minder...Pretty Things / 1964 / Kilbirnie rock on oldies! A >>Minimal Compact, beginning of 1985, Tel-Aviv. >>giluz ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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It was an endurance test of sadomasachistic levels. As the band started to get popular, the weird sight of a Swans gig would be the crowd gathering to "see" them, leaving the room to stand on the sidewalk during the actual set that few could endure, and then re-enter the club en masse as soon as the set was over to make the scene. - Steve. G PS - Swans connection - I worked with another downtown, EastSide band back in those days - Certain General. They were signed to record an ep by Labor Records who also released the first Swans ep. Mike Gira mixed the Certain General ep, prompting Trouser Press in their Record Guide/Encyclopedia thingy on the New Wave to remark that it was likely the only record in history to be coproduced by Mike Gira and Peter Holsapple! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Roberts" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE > The only time I saw Swans was on the Children of God tour at the Town and > Country Club. They were so loud that even when they weren't playing and the > bass player was tuning up between songs it made your stomach feel odd. This > was the gig at which the plugs were pulled on them for this reason. There > are excerpts on the Feel Good Now album under the title of Town and Country > Backstab or words to that effect. > > I know someone who saw them in Nottingham at a small venue called the Garage > on an earlier tour and they said it was very very painful. > > John > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:32:38 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig I was a bit of a late bloomer in terms of getting into pop music, was still caring about the AM charts in '72 when I was 14 going on 15 ( and still have fond memories of a lot of those tunes). When I was in high school, I became best freinds with a fellow who had an older brother three years ahead of him in school, who became a dj in a college station and subsequently had a very cool record collection. I was a total FM rock virgin, but was introduced to Richard Thompson, Incredible String Band, Gentle Giant, THE MOVE, ELO, Leo Kottke, John Hiatt!, John Fahey, BeBop Deluxe, Fairport Convention, Mike Oldfield (and all the Tubular mafia) and others that I don't recall off-hand. Many of them made great impressions on my mind, even if now I find the grouping a little prog - but hey, this was definately prepunk and it got me searching and realizing that there was more to Rock than the standard FM fare that the rest of the high-school was into (Kiss, Zep, Sab, Cooper, Purple, BadCo, et.al.) So obviously for a couple of years I was a tag-along and didn't choose my own concert fare. In those days in NYC, there was a very cheap, summer program in the Wolman ice skating rink sponsored by Schaffer Beer. The first concert I remember attending would have been summer of 73, Return to Forever - with the Chick Corea, Al DeMeola, Lenny White, Stanely Clarke lineup. Which at the time, I liked, but today, in that genre only listen to 70's era Miles Davis. The next summer we went to quite a few. They were so cheap, ($3.50 a ticket) that it paid experimenting on artists. I remember a double bill of Commander Coday and Charlie Daniels Band (Uneasy Rider era) that I absolutely loved. Also a show of Rick Derringer (Rock and Roll Hootchie Koo) and Nils Lofgren (Cry Tough) that stood out. Those were the days. - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig > << Re. Banana Splits - we may have done this already, but.. >> > > At one point the NME floated a theory that the Banana Splits abandoned their > cuddly monster costumes for giant eyeball heads and became the Residents. > Works for me. > > For the record, and I'm sure we've done this before, my first gig was Steve > Harley & Cockney Rebel, supported by Sailor, at Preston Guildhall in 1975. > Still got the programme... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:50:22 -0700 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig I saw Dave Berry supporting Adam & the Ants in May '80 at the Electric Ballroom! He's had a good innings. First gig was The B-52's (Nov 15 1979 - even remember the date!) also the Electric Ballroom. Uri - -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Tear To: Wire (E-mail) Date: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: [idealcopy] my first gig >and just to demonstrate the wide age range >of this list...mine was > >1963 or '64 my mate's big sister took us to >see the Rolling Stones / Hollies / Dave Berry at Glasgow Odeon > >First without a minder...Pretty Things / 1964 / Kilbirnie > >rock on oldies! > >A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:25:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig > and just to demonstrate the wide age range > of this list...mine was > > 1963 or '64 my mate's big sister took us to > see the Rolling Stones / Hollies / Dave Berry at Glasgow Odeon > i bought a cheap hollies comp. in the jan. sales - and i love it. there's one track 'i can't let go' that i barely knew that is utterly fab and which i've played to death in recent months. in fact i've just had to get up and put it on again. good 60's beat (you know that stomping one that julian cope has used, and the doves use on their new album), great hamonies, piercing elec. gtrs. a real sixties classic... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:19:45 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Loudest Bands; New Bands I'm not sure which is the loudest of the bands I've heard, but I once sat right in front of Pete Townshend's speaker. As I was to the side of the stage (2nd row) I had one ear turned toward it the entire show. My ear rang for several days and I suspect that some of my hearing loss dates from then. Not worth it, really. I no longer see shows by "bands" unless it's not only an old favorite, but an old favorite who is currently working, and currently interest me. Pretty much means King Crimson, Sonic Youth, and Wire ... and solo John Cale. Most new music I listen to tends to be individual composers (for lack of a better word) such as ... The loudest "concert" I've ever been to was very recent: Zbigniew Karkowski in a very small space. Several people ran for the exit. Someone started yelling. I had to plug my ears (more of fear of further damage than anything), which made it just slightly louder than most shows. An excellent concert, by the way, and a strange experience. Michael Flaherty np Hate People Like Us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:36:06 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig well mine was the clash/aswad/members london rainbow about may 79. RAR thing. after that was siouxsie/cure (see i was a fan once....) and then buzzcocks/joy division. do you think i'm being unfair to mr severin keith? i thought if he was prepared to dish it out at such length........ ah well , i suspect the big cheque will ease the pain fairly conclusively. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:40:59 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Loudest Bands; New Bands loudest show i hever heard was pop will eat itself in northampton near the end of their career. amazing volume , totally distorted and you could hardly hear a thing amongst the racket. 2 of the 3 guys i went with walked out ofter a couple of numbers , i braved it but probably shouldn't have bothered. i did actually enjoy some earlier shows by them , but this one was just an endurance test. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig & Loudest gig! I think my original response was lost in the cyber void! First gig was a Day on the Green at the Oakland Coluseum around '77 or so. The bands in order were: AC/DC Cheap Trick Journey Blue Oyster Cult Ted Nugent (headlined) That was a looooong, hot, pot-filled day!!! The loudest were the Red Hot Chili Peppers in a small club in San Luis Obispo when I was in school there. This would have been '85 or so. The volume was so high that toward the end of the concert all I could hear was distorion and drums. I had a headache the next day and ringing for about 3 days! Suffice to say I don't go to shows without earplugs now!! np: Bauhaus - Gotham DVD ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] A couple of quesions.... I was going through some concert listings recently as there are a huge number of bands playing in the SF/SJ area in the next couple of months! What I'm curious about is can anyone recommend or warn about the Doves? I seem to recall them mentioned on the list. Also, has anyone heard the Cranes recently? They are performing free at Amoeba Records in SF and then at a small club the next day. I'm one curious cat about that one! Also, I noticed David Syvian is doing a short US tour. Most of his solo stuff is too drowsy for me, but perhaps live he would be more interesting. THX ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] A couple of quesions....and a tidbit.. I was going through some concert listings recently as there are a huge number of bands playing in the SF/SJ area in the next couple of months! What I'm curious about is can anyone recommend or warn about the Doves? I seem to recall them mentioned on the list. Also, has anyone heard the Cranes recently? They are performing free at Amoeba Records in SF and then at a small club the next day. I'm one curious cat about that one! Also, I noticed David Syvian is doing a short US tour. Most of his solo stuff is too drowsy for me, but perhaps live he would be more interesting. More on topic, I spoke to a guy at Billions management about booking Wire for a south bay show, but they're a bit too pricey for me! On the other hand, he implied that they would be on tour in the US around September! Take as many grains of salt as needed, but he sounded pretty sure and those booking folks are notoriously UNhumorous!! THX ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Joseph S" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE Keith Knight jotted: ///Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE Yeah, that would be the gig. By the time of Burning World which Dan mentioned, they'd eschewed the volume, possibly because they couldn't go further with it, possibly for health reasons. another the Keith /// I saw Swans twice, both post-Burning World, and both were pretty earsplitting. On the Love of Life tour they played the DNA Lounge in San Francisco and the hour before they hit the stage we were treated to some Capitol-era Frank Sinatra cranked to 11. Frank took the place of machines of loving grace (pre-Butterfly Wings) who supported (I gather) much of that tour. Swans then came out and cranked it to 12. I don't think I've ever been so happy for earplugs. On the final tour, they played San Francisco's Great American Music Hall. Support was Windsor For The Derby who did lovely droning guitar stuff for an hour or so. I don't think Swans' performance that night was as loud as the DNA show but my ears still rang. The document of that tour (and the previous Annihilator tour), Swans Are Dead is a good representation of the period as long as your speakers are just short of blowing out as you play it. A couple years ago I saw Gira's acoustic project, Angels of Light (also at GAMH). Much easier on the ears. Phil Puleo (ex Cop Shoot cop, played drums on that tour and the final Swans tour) is an absolute madman. If any IC'ers get a chance to see a show with him, don't pass it up. dwei OT pfennigan from Joseph__________________you will find me at the banks of all four riversyou will find me at the spring of consciousnessyou will find me if you want me in the gardenunless it's pouring down with rain (EN, The Garden) - ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:18:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of quesions....and a tidbit.. Rick, << What I'm curious about is can anyone recommend or warn about the Doves? I seem to recall them mentioned on the list.<< I like them a lot. They do that exclusively Manchester uplifting melancholy thing. Very much a band that would have been on Factory! Good live too. >>Also, has anyone heard the Cranes recently? They are performing free at Amoeba Records in SF and then at a small club the next day. I'm one curious cat about that one!<< A free gig and a trip to Amoeba? What are you waiting for ;-) >>Also, I noticed David Syvian is doing a short US tour. Most of his solo stuff is too drowsy for me, but perhaps live he would be more interesting. >> He isn't. Very quiet, nice muso stuff. My other half is a big fan and I got dragged along to see him last year. Far too soporific for me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:36:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig > do you think i'm being unfair to mr severin keith? nah. only kidding... >i thought if he was prepared to dish it out at such length........ah well , > i suspect the big cheque will ease the pain fairly conclusively. p i suspect you're probably right ; ) so much for siouxsie and budgie enjoying the music and things in general being scaled down. their (french? spanish?) castle must need a new lick of paint. just as an aside, at what point did you stop liking the banshees? i was a big fan late 70's/early 80's but didn't like 'hyaena' very much. thought some of the later albums had some good moments, though admittedly i haven't played them in a while. (i even bought that creatures album a couple of yrs back, but didn't play it a lot to be honest. they were good on 'later' though) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:49:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A couple of quesions....and a tidbit.. > << What I'm curious about is can anyone recommend or warn > about the Doves? I seem to recall them mentioned on > the list.<< > > I like them a lot. They do that exclusively Manchester uplifting melancholy > thing. Very much a band that would have been on Factory! Good live too. > i've been playing the new album in the car, and though i suspect i'm never gonna like it as much as their debut (which i rate v. highly), it's a good album. 'uplifting melancholy' describes it perfectly - even on this 'more upbeat' album. it's like a 'closer' era joy division playing northern soul at times, though the gtr occasionally sounds like that jangly stuff that the edge did circa 'pride'. whatever, you'd be hard pressed to find a band that has changed so drastically. their doves stuff is a million miles away from that ace early 90's sub sub dance hit 'ain't no love...' (at least with the tyrannosaurus rex to T.Rex transition you could see the joins). > >>Also, I noticed David Syvian is doing a short US tour. > Most of his solo stuff is too drowsy for me, but > perhaps live he would be more interesting. > >> > > He isn't. Very quiet, nice muso stuff. My other half is a big fan and I got > dragged along to see him last year. Far too soporific for me. > Mark he wants to grow back his bleach blonde fringe, and sing about tokyo again if you ask me ; ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:51:08 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] First ever gig In a message dated 5/7/02 1:21:01 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST EVER GIG? >> Bit late onto the thread here, been out of the country. First gig - rootsy, bluesy US band called Sassafrass, at Cleethorpes Winter Gardens, probably around '74. Anybody remember them? My wife is reading this over my shoulder and has reminded me that her first gig was when I took her to see Lene Lovich at Sheffield Univ '79. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk/my last 5 gigs ....were: Christine Kane Richard Thompson Southern Culture on the Skids Evil Beaver Better than Ezra Ari in N.C - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > But I do increasinly find myself seeing reformed > versions of old > > bands! Last five gigs attended - ACR, Wire, The > Fall, Mission of Burma, > the > > Nightingales.... > > > my last five are a bit retro too. (albeit a far more > poppy option) > > dr robert, psb's, brian wilson, soft cell, gene. > > note to self - must become a more cutting edge 41 yr > old ; ) > > keith > > i'd like to see the hives tho....i would have > thought they'd have been fun. ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:18:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] MusicRemedy - David Bowie Reveals 'Heathen' the bowie fans amongst us may want to know that the new album 'heathen' = (with tony visconti) is due for release next month. keith = http://www.musicremedy.com/news/index.cfm?FuseAction=3DShowMessage&Id=3D1= 789 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of MusicRemedy - David Bowie Reveals 'Heathen'.url] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:18:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] MusicRemedy - David Bowie Reveals 'Heathen' the bowie fans amongst us may want to know that the new album 'heathen' = (with tony visconti) is due for release next month. keith = http://www.musicremedy.com/news/index.cfm?FuseAction=3DShowMessage&Id=3D1= 789 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of MusicRemedy - David Bowie Reveals 'Heathen'.url] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig So you saw the Stones around the same time as me,I saw them Nov/Dec '63 at Ken Colliers club,Soho,it cost two shilling and sixpence to get in and they played a couple of hours at least.Ari in N.C - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > and just to demonstrate the wide age range > > of this list...mine was > > > > 1963 or '64 my mate's big sister took us to > > see the Rolling Stones / Hollies / Dave Berry at > Glasgow Odeon > > > i bought a cheap hollies comp. in the jan. sales - > and i love it. there's > one track 'i can't let go' that i barely knew that > is utterly fab and which > i've played to death in recent months. in fact i've > just had to get up and > put it on again. good 60's beat (you know that > stomping one that julian cope > has used, and the doves use on their new album), > great hamonies, piercing > elec. gtrs. a real sixties classic... > > keith ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:40:31 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] talk talk Another the Keith confessed:- >> I still drag my ageing carcass to gigs as often as my wallet, time and the >> family will allow ....and I can confirm, having bumped into him again at the Lambchop gig in Milton Keynes. hehe. So..what did you think to the encore then? Bit of a turn-up that. Keep it to yourself, we'll let the others know later. Or should we start a new thread of most unlikely cover versions? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:50:19 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig In a message dated 09/05/02 19:31:59 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > just as an aside, at what point did you stop liking the banshees? i was a > big fan late 70's/early 80's but didn't like 'hyaena' very much. thought > some of the later albums had some good moments, though admittedly i haven't > played them in a while. (i even bought that creatures album a couple of yrs > back, but didn't play it a lot to be honest. they were good on 'later' > though) > ///// i have the same problem with them as the cure really. they've never been bad , its just they kept making pretty similar albums with a sort of law of diminishing returns. i think the ropey covers album was the end for me , i know some people liked it but i thought it was pretty karaoke. i mean "the passenger" , c'mon. i think by the mid/late-80's there were a lot more interesting things to go and explore so i did. so who's on guitar now then? maybe that last creatures album stiffed really badly , the clips i saw (later , glasto) didn't seem too bad. suspect severins solo albums had a very selective appeal though. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:00:33 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lambchop Keith said> >> NP : Is a Woman - Lambchop (seen at Milton Keynes Stables on Monday [ Mr > Lumbard also in attendance] and rather impressive I thought, although with > 13 of them on stage I'd like them to be LOUDER more often) >> Keith, who was the support? Vic Chestnutt?? (I'm seeing them in York on Friday evening (Ian B) > Mark said> I was tempted by this gig, though I have been rather underwhelmed by Lambchop. Nixon got 5* reviews everywhere but it leaves me cold... Mark - have you tried What Another Man Spills? - by far their best album (Ian B) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:02:48 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten Wire Albums. And the winner is... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > 1' beat 'Not To' due to the official adjudicators (i.e. me!) decision to count > Ian B's unofficial 9th and 10th choices rather than just his top eight plus > two. . > Keith Don't want to call for a recount or anything but I didn't actually get round to posting a top ten (Ian S.J perhaps? - or is somebody rigging the votes?) Ian B (First gig, since you ask, Devo at Newcastle City Hall, summer 1980) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig The Thompson Twins and OMD in 1985 in Pullman, WA. A 150 mile roundtrip in 20-degree weather in an old Datsun with a heater that didn't work. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:12:14 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig it wasn't me - it was alistair. keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: Keith Astbury ; Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig > So you saw the Stones around the same time as me,I saw > them Nov/Dec '63 at Ken Colliers club,Soho,it cost two > shilling and sixpence to get in and they played a > couple of hours at least.Ari in N.C > --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > > and just to demonstrate the wide age range > > > of this list...mine was > > > > > > 1963 or '64 my mate's big sister took us to > > > see the Rolling Stones / Hollies / Dave Berry at > > Glasgow Odeon > > > > > i bought a cheap hollies comp. in the jan. sales - > > and i love it. there's > > one track 'i can't let go' that i barely knew that > > is utterly fab and which > > i've played to death in recent months. in fact i've > > just had to get up and > > put it on again. good 60's beat (you know that > > stomping one that julian cope > > has used, and the doves use on their new album), > > great hamonies, piercing > > elec. gtrs. a real sixties classic... > > > > keith > > > ===== > everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:15:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten Wire Albums. And the winner is... > Don't want to call for a recount or anything but I didn't actually get round > to posting a top ten (Ian S.J perhaps? - or is somebody rigging the votes?) > Ian B sorry. my mistake. it was ian calder. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:56:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first gig > ///// i have the same problem with them as the cure really. they've never > been bad , its just they kept making pretty similar albums with a sort of law > of diminishing returns. not 'disintegration' though. that's the one later cure album that does it for me. quite poss. my fave by them actually... > so who's on guitar now then? i don't know to be honest. (tried looking it up on the net, but though i found they'd actually played usa last month - filmore - i couldn't find any trace of their latest 6-string void filler) they've certainly had some decent ones in the past haven't they - steve jones, robert smith, and john mcgeoch is almost of ball, harvey, kendall proportions (but no, i'm not an evertonian myself), whereas i suppose john carruthers was more a peter marinello figure - looked pretty good but can't think of anything terribly memorable he did... john mckay was obviously their george best - he was class but retired too early... not sure who to compare marco pironni with - find it hard to think of him in football terms (maybe ex LFC goalie tommy lawrence aka 'the flying pig'???) (apologies to our american friends for the football comparisons) > suspect severins solo albums had a very selective appeal though. p have to say, that althought i bought the apallingly titled 'Anima Animus' (Creatures LP), i passed on the severin stuff! I just looked up an interview with him on the net and it said 'The best description of his new work is an exploration of ambient rhythms and atmospheric space. He has moved away from playing bass and taken up keyboards as his instrument of choice.' apparently his newest work was 'The Woman in the Dunes, a collaboration piece with Japanese dancer Shakti'. hmmm enticing. (i'll probably end up buying it now!) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:01:11 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] my first pig >not sure who to compare marco pironni with - find it hard to think of him >in >football terms (maybe ex LFC goalie tommy lawrence aka 'the flying pig'???) ...Gazza, surely... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 23:01:11 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Lambchop/support Now I don't know who is saying what in the messages below, have I been missing some mails or have they gone off-list? Anyhow...St Thomas was supporting at MK, but only as Thomas Hansen & Espjern from Bergen (two guitars,no percussion). I was really looking forward to them, as the album - I'm Coming Home - is permanantly in my cd player, but they played nothing from it, or from the cd on sale in the 'foyer'. Still quite enjoyable for the half hour that they played, but would prefer to see the full band. AndyL >> Keith said> >> NP : Is a Woman - Lambchop (seen at Milton Keynes >> Stables on >> Monday [ Mr >> > Lumbard also in attendance] and rather impressive I thought, although >> with >> > 13 of them on stage I'd like them to be LOUDER more often) >> >> >> Keith, who was the support? Vic Chestnutt?? (I'm seeing them in York on >> Friday evening (Ian B) >> > >> Mark said> I was tempted by this gig, though I have been rather >> underwhelmed >> by Lambchop. Nixon got 5* reviews everywhere but it leaves me cold... >> Mark - have you tried What Another Man Spills? - by far their best album >> (Ian B) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #143 *******************************