From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #142 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 9 2002 Volume 05 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] First gig [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Re: first gig [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten Wire Albums. And the winner is... ["Syarzhuk Kaza] Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: [idealcopy] talk talk ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] talk talk ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] In the Beginning is the Storm [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] D&E ["They wait..." ] [idealcopy] goth alert [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] talk talk [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig (with a side order of rant) [Andrew Wal] [idealcopy] Re: volume of swans [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] goth alert ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs 'behind the curtain' [giluz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:26:36 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First gig I believe it was 1978. Ian Dury at the Concertgebouw in the Hague - a very posh concertbuilding, but when Ian came on he all invited us to leave our red velvet seats and come to the front. He had a huge bag full of little presents wich he emptied out to us! It was one fantastic evening of fun [!] and one of the most enthusiastic performances I've ever witnessed. [well before that I've been dragged to bands such as Camel, but they never made an impact and I don't remember anything of it] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:29:47 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn So far I still prefer Comet. Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > Every one is talking about a favourite Wire album. But > Which track is favourite from the last ReadandBurn ceedee > > Mine > > 1 Agfers of Kodack > 2 Germship > 3 Art of Stopping > 4 Comet > 5 I don't understand > 6 1st fast > > But it will change probably next week again > and I don't understand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:40:21 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: first gig Teardrop Explodes, supported by the Delmontes, Guildford civic hall, May 1981. Main memory -horrible hippy soundman who just turned everything up and ruined it. I was so upset I wanted to physically attack him, but given that I was 15, about 5 foot 7 and ten inches across the shoulders it was never going to happen. Re. Banana Splits - we may have done this already, but.. Fleagle=Colin Bingo=Graham (this is the one I really like) Drooper=Bruce Snorky=Rob Cuckoo clock= Mike Thorne/Daniel Miller Girls singing `ta ra ra boom de ay' = Malka Spigel/Angela Conway It's so obvious. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:14:38 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top Ten Wire Albums. And the winner is... >> so here's a question keith. did any albums get no votes at all? pray >> tell.....................p [...] >34R I voted for 8 Time which includes 3R4. Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:20:18 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE >heard until I went to see Swans who hold the record to this day and >probably always will as I can't imagine anyone being louder. The Guinness record belongs to Manowar, who once played live louder than what a jef plane taking off would sound. Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:36:02 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First gig/Enigma Variations > >There were some other CD versions of these albums released before > Enigma did > >them. I have no idea what label they appeared on but we had them in > on > >import in a record shop I used to work in in 1986/7. They had > catalogue > >numbers CDHAR1, CDHAR2, and CDHAR3. Anyone know who or what these > were? Those were the ones that were put out on the cheap. Apparently the band or management complained about the dire sound quality and they were pulled. Does anyone have any background on this (Kevin?) j (yes, still here I'm afraid) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:45:08 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig << Re. Banana Splits - we may have done this already, but.. >> At one point the NME floated a theory that the Banana Splits abandoned their cuddly monster costumes for giant eyeball heads and became the Residents. Works for me. For the record, and I'm sure we've done this before, my first gig was Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel, supported by Sailor, at Preston Guildhall in 1975. Still got the programme... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:53:04 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE hmmm ... i have no particular memory of them being any louder than anyone else when i saw them at a small club (tipitina's in new orleans) in the fall of '89. then again, they were touring behind the burning world album (which i happen to love, though i gather that lots of swans devotees, & perhaps gira himself, regard it as watered-down sellout pablum or something fairly close to that) ... i wouldn't be surprised to learn that the greed/holy money/cop/filth/etc shows were far louder. perhaps i ought to pull out (titles approximate) feel good now or kill the child for a listen ... dan >>heard until I went to see Swans who hold the record to this day and >>probably always will as I can't imagine anyone being louder. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:37:16 +0200 From: Bart Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rightwing politician..YES...bbc news just broadcast this!!! >> Dutch rightwing politician Pim Fortuyn has just been shot dead. >> In Holland he is a quite controversial phenomena - from nothing to perhaps >> 30% of the votes. Not my politician at all, but this is fucking >> unbelievable! > keep us informed from your neck of the woods. Ok... seems the killer is a frustrated animalrights campaigner. He's got a few columns on the i'net: http://www.animalfreedom.org/english/reaction/volkert.html The Netherlands have truely become a banana-republic now! Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:47:10 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE The only time I saw Swans was on the Children of God tour at the Town and Country Club. They were so loud that even when they weren't playing and the bass player was tuning up between songs it made your stomach feel odd. This was the gig at which the plugs were pulled on them for this reason. There are excerpts on the Feel Good Now album under the title of Town and Country Backstab or words to that effect. I know someone who saw them in Nottingham at a small venue called the Garage on an earlier tour and they said it was very very painful. John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:08:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk Robert. you've got absolutely nothing to apologise for - well except maybe for having seen Rush in your youth ; ) Keith > Well i will cite myself, because i am indeed guilty of this quite often and i > will be more aware in the future.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:23:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk > I prefer to do both...i listen to a lot of new stuff but i like to find out > about stuff that i missed.. especially if it is an influence on whatever new > music i am listening to.....and when is something officially "old"?..just > curious.. > > Robert > > Robert what's this. so good they named him twice! but it's a fair point. i've bought bryan ferry's new album. is that 'new' enough because it is new or not because he's some old fart from way back when. (i was interested to hear what it sounded like because i love roxy, but as i haven't played it yet, maybe i wasn't interested enough!) or what about the doves. it's number one in the album charts and more upbeat than their debut so do i lose brownie points for buying that? don't get me wrong - despite writing about my first gig and maybe turning this into a lovely 'all our yesterdays' spot for a few days - i love hearing new stuff by new artists (mcclusky, the rapture are two new bands who have impressed me this yr and on the pop front what about that great dance hit by goldtrix), but it's easy to become a bit nme about this - let's look for the next big thing just for the hell of it. i know i've been guilty of that in the past. the two acts who have impressed me most in the last year are probably smog and low - not new but new to me. and there's so much great old reggae out there to discover too (this from a moz fan too). but there's lot's of oldies i haven't heard in ages too (yesterday i played 'the doors', iggy & the stooges 'sick of you' and a compilation by the move) that i want to hear again....well there's just not enough hrs in the day are there... as someone said the past is ok but you wouldn't want to live there. correct. but let's not pretend it's never happened either. keith np the wailers - catch a fire keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:34:53 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk Yeah, Keith I pretty much agree with you (this may be a Keith thing). I still drag my ageing carcass to gigs as often as my wallet, time and the family will allow (can I, on record, thank my wife Jennifer at this point for putting up with this behaviour) and love discovering new bands, like Kaito. But new bands - and especially the hyped ones - aren't necessarily all they're cracked up to be: cf ... Trail of Dead and The Hives (I went to see the latter earlier in the year and scowled through most of it). This is probably a function of age. There's relatively little new under the sun and it's easy to compare over-hyped bands unfavourably to better examples from one's past (Sonic Youth and the Ramones in these two examples). But there's always been something going on to make it worth while, even if the joys are to be found off the beaten track nowadays. And, like you, there's stuff I've missed from the past. So it's all up for discussion as far as I'm concerned. another the Keith NP : Is a Woman - Lambchop (seen at Milton Keynes Stables on Monday [ Mr Lumbard also in attendance] and rather impressive I thought, although with 13 of them on stage I'd like them to be LOUDER more often) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk > > I prefer to do both...i listen to a lot of new stuff but i like to find > out > > about stuff that i missed.. especially if it is an influence on whatever > new > > music i am listening to.....and when is something officially "old"?..just > > curious.. > > > > Robert > > > > Robert > > what's this. so good they named him twice! > > but it's a fair point. i've bought bryan ferry's new album. is that 'new' > enough because it is new or not because he's some old fart from way back > when. (i was interested to hear what it sounded like because i love roxy, > but as i haven't played it yet, maybe i wasn't interested enough!) or what > about the doves. it's number one in the album charts and more upbeat than > their debut so do i lose brownie points for buying that? > > don't get me wrong - despite writing about my first gig and maybe turning > this into a lovely 'all our yesterdays' spot for a few days - i love hearing > new stuff by new artists (mcclusky, the rapture are two new bands who have > impressed me this yr and on the pop front what about that great dance hit by > goldtrix), but it's easy to become a bit nme about this - let's look for the > next big thing just for the hell of it. i know i've been guilty of that in > the past. the two acts who have impressed me most in the last year are > probably smog and low - not new but new to me. and there's so much great old > reggae out there to discover too (this from a moz fan too). > > but there's lot's of oldies i haven't heard in ages too (yesterday i played > 'the doors', iggy & the stooges 'sick of you' and a compilation by the move) > that i want to hear again....well there's just not enough hrs in the day are > there... > > as someone said the past is ok but you wouldn't want to live there. correct. > but let's not pretend it's never happened either. > > keith > > np the wailers - catch a fire > keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:38:30 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE Yeah, that would be the gig. By the time of Burning World which Dan mentioned, they'd eschewed the volume, possibly because they couldn't go further with it, possibly for health reasons. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE > The only time I saw Swans was on the Children of God tour at the Town and > Country Club. They were so loud that even when they weren't playing and the > bass player was tuning up between songs it made your stomach feel odd. This > was the gig at which the plugs were pulled on them for this reason. There > are excerpts on the Feel Good Now album under the title of Town and Country > Backstab or words to that effect. > > I know someone who saw them in Nottingham at a small venue called the Garage > on an earlier tour and they said it was very very painful. > > John > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:07:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE POST CREAM SILENCE David in cornwall said > Dare i tell you my first "GIGs" > took place in Welwyn GDN cITY herts. 20miles n. of London > at a small community centre around 1970.... have you heard 'welwyn garden city' by edwyn collins. i can't remember which off the top of my head, but it's a track on one of his 90's cd singles. the words basically consist of, well, 'welwyn garden city' and it's a silly sort of electronic thing. > now i can't get enough of the aphex twin.... and get subjected to that slim > shady by my kids...... have you heard the new single? not a fan - 'stan' apart - but this is pretty funky. keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:09:25 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] first ever gig > OK I admit my Mum & Dad taking me to see the Bachelors when I was 6 or 7.But > I didn't inhale. Romona Romona you're mine.... > Chris mine too... (nowadays you'd inform social services wouldn't you!) keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:20:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In the Beginning is the Storm bill said > Afterwards Peel enthused, "Excellent! I wonder if that's available on vinyl? > If it is I'll be rushing out to look for it!" > > Even better he then said he wondered if they'd be up for doing another the > session!!! > if anyone from wire is reading this and they do a new peel session i think it's be great to do something different with it. ok maybe not a wedding prezzie like ukrainian session, but maybe something like sonic youth did when they did that ace 'fall' one in the late 80's (3 fall originals and 'victoria' if i remember rightly). so rather than alternative versions of 'R&B' stuff, how about a glam session of, say, 'jeepster', 'ballroom blitz', 'jean genie' and 'rock & roll pt2' or - as they've returned to their PF era for their new sound - what about a 'punk' one of 'pretty vacant', 'neat neat neat', 'london's calling' and 'i am a dalek'... go on lads. make an event out of it. (i know we'll think it's an event anyway, but you know what i mean) keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:13:58 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Jeck; First Concert >From: Tim >Subject: Re:[idealcopy] Phillip Jeck > >I think Jeck is best heard in a continuous, evolving performance where you >can hear him bringing different elements of sound (from his arsenal of >lo-fi dansettes, casio keyboards and his Alba CD player) ., in instead of >here where they have chopped short excerpts from various live events. I haven't heard this, but as I agree that Jeck is best in long evolving works, I'm not encouraged by your description. Still, I'll buy it: any Jeck is better than no Jeck. First concert: Alice Cooper. First concert that was more about music than stage: The Who. Both were huge for me personally in that they opened up the whole world of "event" music away from the confides of my comfy home. As mainstream as the Who were, they did lead me toward punk rock eventually, which led me to the twisted and strange tastes that I have today. :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:47:58 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: Re:[idealcopy] My first ever gig... tim said > Mondays were fresh from recording 'Bummed' with Hannet and the rough edges > were yet to be smoothed off by Paul Oakenfold....I remember being deafened > by Gary Whelans piledriving drums (clearly inspired by Hannett I now > realise) and Shaun Ryder in his 'DLT Shades'...John Cooper Clarke/Mark > E.Smith but on stronger drugs. > it's easy to forget now how great the mondays were at their peak. i saw them in manchester (academy or academy 2) circa '87/'88 and they were, to put it bluntly, fucking brilliant. one of the best gigs i have ever seen. i know they weren't supposed to be great musicians, but they were a really tight funky act, with paul ryders deep-can-you-feel-it bass playing holding the whole thing together. as for loudest bands...a newly reformed the damned in a small chester club in '79 when, during the encore, the sound man according to my mate who was standing by the mixing desk, just shoved everything up to 'one louder'. MBV in 1989 were almost deafening which led my mate to comparing it with an airplane taking off, but the loudest gig i've ever been to - and this is maybe a surprsing one considering i've seen people like, ahem, richie blackmore's rainbow and the who - was a pre-hits boo radleys at the buckley tiv. i think they had equipment designed for wembley not, a 600 capacity club in north wales. it was, to be frank, uncomfortable on the old eardrums. and it took me several numbers to adjust - it would be ok once you got used to it (mid-song), but after a moments silence btwn songs the effect when the next number started was such that it was a shock to my system once again. (i think i've already mentioned the stereolab gig where all the band seemed to play very similar high notes to create this loud piercing notes that had people literally clutching their ears). glad i missed out on the swans then... > >(Do any venues still use curtains nowadays?) i saw the banshees at liverpool in 1988, where they had curtains right at the front of the stage and all the members stood in front - in a line - and played 'the last beat...' as the opening number (budgie held a brass band type single drum). the curtains then came back to reveal more of the stage for the next song and then they - in turn - were pulled back to reveal the full stage and a rather splendid spiral staircase that siouxsie used to walk/run up and down. (there may have been another curtain before then or it could be my memory playing tricks) anyway, it was marvellous entertainment and the legendary suicide were the support act - and they provoked sheer hatred in the audience for some reason. as for me - i thought they were fab. honestly, you can't put a price on memories like that. keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:50:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig it's not the banana splits, but that's a cool one too... ('glass of champagne' has got one of the funniest,most mannered vocal performances ever IMO.) Keith > For the record, and I'm sure we've done this before, my first gig was Steve > Harley & Cockney Rebel, supported by Sailor, at Preston Guildhall in 1975. > Still got the programme... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:05:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] R&B 01 texts/Live Wire reports Just a quick note to tell you all about a small Wireviews update. The Read and Burn 01 texts are now online, as approved by Wire. The review has also been moved to the reviews page. The next Wireviews updates will most likely happen when I get some reports on the Bristol gig, or Wire at ATP, so send them across to me, along with any nice pics! :) Also, please start using www.wireviews.com from now on, as the old site will be offline shortly. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:17:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First gig bart said > I believe it was 1978. Ian Dury at the Concertgebouw in the Hague - a very > posh concertbuilding is that the concertgebouw mentioned in a paul mccartney/wings song (entitled 'rock show' off the pretty dire 'venus & mars' if i recall correctly) that went something like: 'there's a rock show at the concertgebouw they've got rock'n'roll at the hollywood bowl they know how to give at the buckley tiv' (ok i made the last line up...even so it's not exactly 'hey jude' is it. still i always wondered where the concertgebouw was) keith > [well before that I've been dragged to bands such as Camel, but they never > made an impact and I don't remember anything of it] did you know camel leader pete barden died recently? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:14:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In the Beginning is the Storm Keith, << if anyone from wire is reading this and they do a new peel session i think it's be great to do something different with it. >> Perhaps they could do one long 15 minute piece, playing each other's instruments and with Colin and Graham singing lyrics that the other hasn't heard.... Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:15:40 +0100 From: "They wait..." Subject: [idealcopy] D&E 1)Does anyone else on the list a mis-pressed D&E? And does anyone out there want to trade it for a perfect copy. Basically one of the discs is the same both sides or something weird like that. I forget exactly what. 2) Thought the IC contingent must have been paralysed at Fleece and Firkin. Perhaps Wire are too "serious" for people to pogo to these days. Either that or the TVRs and Billy were better than I thought. Jez ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:11:19 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] goth alert well i do indeed see siouxsie & the banshees back touring again. so who , i wonder , constitutes SATB in 2002. shurely steven severin is not in the line up , following his bitter critique (to anyone bored enough to listen) of the pistols for reforming in 96? "no integrity" , i think it was , together with "just doing it for the cash". please say stevey boy isn't involved this time around or i will be a tad depressed (ho ho). also i see the sex gang children back in action. they'll be reviving the batcave next. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:19:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig... << it's easy to forget now how great the mondays were at their peak. i saw them in manchester (academy or academy 2) circa '87/'88 and they were, to put it bluntly, fucking brilliant. one of the best gigs i have ever seen. i know they weren't supposed to be great musicians, but they were a really tight funky act, with paul ryders deep-can-you-feel-it bass playing holding the whole thing together.<< Yet the one time I saw them (Clarendon, supporting the Fall, 86-87) they were crap. Shambling, all over the place indie with decent, crude, funky guitar. Too early I guess. They hadn't unlocked the secret of their sound.... >>as for loudest bands...a newly reformed the damned in a small chester club in '79 when, during the encore, the sound man according to my mate who was standing by the mixing desk, just shoved everything up to 'one louder'.<< Never heard a louder band than, oddly, the Jam at Lancaster Uni, 1979. Much, much louder than, say, the Clash, who I saw a few weeks later at the same venue. >>MBV in 1989 were almost deafening which led my mate to comparing it with an airplane taking off, << Again, when I saw MBV (Creation Records Doing it for the Kids all-day shindig at the T&C in LOndon, which MBV headlined) they were interesting if shoegazey. Certainly not loud. >>but the loudest gig i've ever been to - and this is maybe a surprsing one considering i've seen people like, ahem, richie blackmore's rainbow and the who - was a pre-hits boo radleys at the buckley tiv. i think they had equipment designed for wembley not, a 600 capacity club in north wales.>> In a similar vein I saw Mansun about 5 years ago at the Zodiac in Oxford. Uncomfortably loud, and no gaps whatsoever between songs. Worked very well.... >>(i think i've already mentioned the stereolab gig where all the band seemed to play very similar high notes to create this loud piercing notes that had people literally clutching their ears).<< Throbbing Gristle used ultrasonic frequencies deliberately in an attempt to make the audience nauseous. They did this at Rafters in Manchester and certainly it forced some people back to the bar.... > >(Do any venues still use curtains nowadays?)<< Last year I saw the Fall play a 1970s-built panto theatre in Aldershot (almost a local gig for me) on a stage with lovely red curtains at either side, with a nice pelmet over the top. Which was nice. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:21:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig Actually they were very enjoyable. They had two big Nickelodeons back to back in the middle of the stage, and all wore nice white sailor siuits and hats (of course). Glass of Champagne is not a million miles from XTC.... Mark << it's not the banana splits, but that's a cool one too... ('glass of champagne' has got one of the funniest,most mannered vocal performances ever IMO.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:41:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig... In a message dated 5/8/02 2:42:50 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > i saw the banshees at liverpool in 1988, where they had curtains right at > the front of the stage and all the members stood in front - in a line - and > played 'the last beat...' as the opening number (budgie held a brass band > type single drum). the curtains then came back to reveal more of the stage > for the next song and then they - in turn - were pulled back to reveal the > full stage and a rather splendid spiral staircase that siouxsie used to > walk/run up and down. (there may have been another curtain before then or > it > could be my memory playing tricks) anyway, it was marvellous entertainment > and the legendary suicide were the support act - and they provoked sheer > hatred in the audience for some reason. as for me - i thought they were > fab. > honestly, you can't put a price on memories like that. > > keith > Speaking of Siouxsie and Suicide....i heard a rumour from one of the booking agents at a local club that Siouxsie is going on tour with Suicide in the near future!!! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:42:24 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] talk talk << Yeah, Keith I pretty much agree with you (this may be a Keith thing). << I'd say it was pretty much a Mark thing too.... >> I still drag my ageing carcass to gigs as often as my wallet, time and the family will allow (can I, on record, thank my wife Jennifer at this point for putting up with this behaviour) and love discovering new bands, like Kaito.<< Likewise. But I do increasinly find myself seeing reformed versions of old bands! Last five gigs attended - ACR, Wire, The Fall, Mission of Burma, the Nightingales.... >>But new bands - and especially the hyped ones - aren't necessarily all they're cracked up to be: cf ... Trail of Dead and The Hives (I went to see the latter earlier in the year and scowled through most of it). This is probably a function of age. There's relatively little new under the sun and it's easy to compare over-hyped bands unfavourably to better examples from one's past (Sonic Youth and the Ramones in these two examples). << I think it's a function of having greater knowledge of music's past than those attempting to create its present. If young bands are basing their sound on just a few "big" influences from the past (eg Ramones, Stooges etc) they're almost bound to come out as diluted versions of those bands. It's the curse of 'record collection rock' when the people concerned only have small, obvious record collections. >>But there's always been something going on to make it worth while, even if the joys are to be found off the beaten track nowadays. << Indeed. I still live in th hope of being utterly blown away by a support band I've never heard of.... >> And, like you, there's stuff I've missed from the past. << Mission of Burma has been one of those for me this year. Heard very little until very recently. But a fantastic live band... >> NP : Is a Woman - Lambchop (seen at Milton Keynes Stables on Monday [ Mr Lumbard also in attendance] and rather impressive I thought, although with 13 of them on stage I'd like them to be LOUDER more often) >> I was tempted by this gig, though I have been rather underwhelmed by Lambchop. Nixon got 5* reviews everywhere but it leaves me cold... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:56:41 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig (with a side order of rant) On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:47:58PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > as for loudest bands...a newly reformed the damned in a small chester club > in '79 when, during the encore, the sound man according to my mate who was > standing by the mixing desk, just shoved everything up to 'one louder'. Loudest gig I've been to: Mogwai at the Brixton Academy, last night of the Rock Action tour. They finished their encore, "My Father My King" by turning every amp up to max, hanging their guitars on the amps, and walking off stage to the sound of feedback pinning the audience to the walls. Stunning (in the sense of "concussive"...). First gig I went to through choice: Radiohead on the Kid A tour, at Glasgow Green. I'm a late starter. As to the rolling "new music" flamewar: I have pretty mainstream taste in music by the standards of Mr. Rowland, for example. I manage to enjoy both Slint and Simon and Garfunkel, Tortoise and Television; and I'm from the generation who were getting into music at the time Britpop ruled the charts - and a reasonable amount of the music I like is up to twenty years older than *I* am, including Wire's first three albums. I got into Wire, I'll freely admit, because bands I like namechecked them: REM's cover of "Strange" (on Document), when I encountered it, didn't hurt any either. Wire, to me, are interesting because they're poised at the cusp of so many things: visceral/detached, cerebral/emotional, composed/chaotic. I'm not about to apologise for having a musical sweet tooth on occasion, just as I'm not for listening to music which many people find physically unpleasant (speaking of MBV, I know of at least one person who is made to feel nauseous by "Loveless"): nor am I about to angst that, as some representative of 'the Youth of Today' (there *is* no coherent youth culture outside of the clubs, deal with it), in some way I have a duty to subvert authority through my taste in music. Andrew (np: DJ Shadow - "Stem / Long Stem") - -- "And you see, I kind of shivered to conformity, Did you see the way I cowered to authority?" - Mansun, "Six" ('Six') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 23:56:51 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: volume of swans In a message dated 5/8/02 9:53:35 AM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >i wouldn't be surprised to learn that the greed/holy > >money/cop/filth/etc shows were far louder. perhaps i ought to pull out > >(titles approximate) feel good now pre-children of god was definitely louder than post. at least the shows i saw. two drummers vs. one, al kizys (sp?) playing so hard he broke a bass string...2 years later they're doing an encore featuring a semi-acoustic love will tear us apart. hehe i haven't listened to feel good now in a while, but i should give that one a spin too. i think that's the one recorded on a walkman though, right? i don't remember it having a very heavy sound. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:34:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] goth alert > well i do indeed see siouxsie & the banshees back touring again. so who , i > wonder , constitutes SATB in 2002. shurely steven severin is not in the line > up , following his bitter critique (to anyone bored enough to listen) of the > pistols for reforming in 96? "no integrity" , i think it was , together with > "just doing it for the cash". please say stevey boy isn't involved this time > around or i will be a tad depressed (ho ho). oh yes he is! can't remember where i read it, but apparently they're all talking again. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:26:18 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs 'behind the curtain' on 08/05/02 10:24, John Roberts at johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com wrote: > Pixies played the opening number on one tour behind a curtain. Could have > been circa Bossanova. > Yeah it has been the Bossanova tour where they played the opening track of the album Bossanova behind a curtain, immediately followed by Levitate Me as the curtain went up (that was the Hammersmith Odeon unless they used other curtains in other places as well). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:41:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My first ever gig... > >>MBV in 1989 were almost deafening which led my mate to comparing it with an > airplane taking off, << > > Again, when I saw MBV (Creation Records Doing it for the Kids all-day shindig > at the T&C in LOndon, which MBV headlined) they were interesting if > shoegazey. Certainly not loud. > i saw them in what amounted to a hotel bar nr chester railway station - a somewhat short lived venue. they were loud in there... forgive me if i mentioned this before, but the support were a london band called the sperm wails, a thrashy outfit who featured an early JAMC-like stand up drummer. the band were selling their singles afterwards, but they'd either sold out or packed up when i went to get one. the singer then gave me his home address and told me to send off, 'send us a fiver inc p&p', that sort of thing. i did and i got a couple of SW singles - 'boy hairdresser' was the weaker of the two, but 'the golden age of the carry on' b/w the 'the golden age of the casual' is a real undiscovered gem. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:47:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: first gig yeah. come to think of it is xtc-like. it was considered very roxy influenced at the time. their singer was probably the best BF impersonator around till david sylvian did his bryan ferry 'stars in your eyes' bit in the early 80's. mind you, his performance of 'ghosts' on ogwt was one of the best things i saw on the programme. stunning. keith > Actually they were very enjoyable. They had two big Nickelodeons back to back > in the middle of the stage, and all wore nice white sailor siuits and hats > (of course). Glass of Champagne is not a million miles from XTC.... > > Mark > > << it's not the banana splits, but that's a cool one too... > ('glass of champagne' has got one of the funniest,most mannered vocal > performances ever IMO.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:43:41 +0200 From: giluz Subject: [idealcopy] My first gig Minimal Compact, beginning of 1985, Tel-Aviv. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #142 *******************************