From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #138 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, May 6 2002 Volume 05 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wire Melt Banana in Van to Tomorrow! ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] fall article in wire / melt banana [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] ONE-FIVE-FOUR Snakes Spit on the Floor! ["Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Melt Banana in Van to Tomorrow! FWIW Colin & Graham both enjoyed Melt Banana at the 2nd Shellac ATP Wire are mentioned by Melt Banana in their latest newsletter. The comment about Mark E Smith is priceless. - ----- Original Message ----- From: MELT-BANANA To: MELT-BANANA Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: MB-02/04 > ********************* > Hello, MELT-BANANA here. > We got back from UK on April 30th. This month, we went abroad twice, and > both short trips. Inside of our heads is like jet lag over jet lag, and > stomach feels like upside down...uuuuu > > * 04/18: Frankfurt Nippon connection Japanese film Festival (Germany) > > It was 2 nights stay, very very short! > The festival was held at a university, and it was not music festival but > film festival. There was Shiatsu room, video game room, showing animation on > screen, and there were some clear squids hanging at front door. > > It was fun to visit festival, but it was only 2 night stay and we also had > to do some press things, so we could not see any movies. It was a pity. > > Show was great. When we started sound check, one guy with glassed who is a > prime minister of this place ran into the room with a pale face and started > claiming like "If you keep playing loud, I need to call police!" In a > building across the yard, a concert of 4 violines was on, and nothing could > be heard at the violine concert when we started sound check. Oh, well. > > Last time when we played in Frankfurt, we played at a tiny tiny place called > 3 kings ---something (forgot the full name.) where 20 or 30 people could > hardly fit, but this time much larger place and much more people. > The room was a part of university so that it was like a big classroom, and > the sounds on the stage was like playing in a submarine. It was fun, though. > > * 04/ 27: Camber Sand All Tomorrow's Party 2nd weekend (U.K.) > > FREEZING COLD!!!!!! > It was very very very very very cold!!!! > We arrived at Heathlow, and we thought that we would go straight to ATP, but > we could not. Because it took us a little bit long time to go through > immigration, and also because ATP guys who picked us up also needed to pick > up the Wire guys, we had a few hours before we went to ATP. So what we did? > We went to see Big Ben, Backingham Palace, you know. A little sight seeing. > And it was around midnight when we arrived at ATP at last. (The strees (aka > Mike Skinner) that Wire guy played on car stereo on the way to ATP was > good.) > > Anyway, our show at ATP went good with full of audience. The room got > packed. ^o^ > In the middle of the set, Agata seems strange and his sounds got strange... > broke strings?? we thought. But he said that he got a cramp in his leg > during the show and he was suffering playing the guitar. Maybe he warmed up > too much before the show. (p.s. Mr.Security, sorry one of the frisbees that > Yako threw struke on your head...) > > There were many bands playing at the festival. It's been a while since we > saw Shellac, and they were great. Law was great too. And we could see the > Fall play also. We have heard that the vocal of the Fall is kind of selfish, > but we could not see his actual selfish behavior, unfortunately. But his > voice was powerful. His back band was.... no comment. And it was a pity that > we could not see Ex. > > After all, organizing festival seems hard work. On the last day of the > festival, Bathrooms on the first floor got destroyed and hall way in front > of the bathrooms got closed. And also the shutter of entrance seemed almost > broken down at last. > > ** MELT-BANANA releases: > -Queen cover album compilation "Dynamite With A Laserbeam (queen as heard > through the meat grinder of three one g)" was released on GSL. MELT-BANANA > covered "We will Rock you". Different arrange from usual. > > -Split 7' with Big D and the kids table will be released in May-June. > > -MELT-BANANA solo 6' ep will be released on a label in NY. More information > soon. > > *** MELT-BANANA live schedule in May: > 05/18 Festival International de Musique Actuelle de Victoriaville。 > http://www.fimav.qc.ca/ > CANADA!!!! > > **** MELT-BANANA USA tour will be in the fall 2002! The Kork Agency is > booking our tour. And our Europe tour will be next year! > > ***** MELT-BANANA is now gathering articles/reviews in the past about > MELT-BANANA. > Especially articles in Europe, especially in U.K. If you have some articles, > please send copies to us. (If the articles that you have are in other > language, please attach English translation. It will be great.) > If you can send them through internet with gif files, Perfect. > (email: mltbanan@parkcity.ne.jp) > > Thanks! > > ****** MELT-BANANA Official Web-Site: > http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/‾mltbanan/ > > > ******************************* > MELT-BANANA Live Schedule > 05/18 "F.I.M.A.V." (CANADA) > ----------------------------------- > MELT-BANANA Official Web-Site: > http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/‾mltbanan/ > ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:46:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Burning Up Time In a message dated 5/2/02 3:10:06 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << Better stop before this devolves into a list. I have no problem with lists, they can be quite useful but hierarchical lists (eg. Top Ten) are just symptomatic of patriarchal capitalist competitive structures which are obsolete if the human race is to evolve positively, especially when it comes to art / music. Knowledge is more fruitfully arranged horizontally than vertically. >> oh dear...... i must apologize for starting the stupid top ten Factory releases list..i'll never start another list again..after all, i do want the human race to evolve positively! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:10:21 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Go Ahead... Last week's Sunday Times review of the Mission of Burma reissue namechecked Wire. This week's review of the Fischerspooner release mentions one track by name only, namely The 15th, but doesn't mention the track's origins. I'd hoped that they may have carried a review of Read & Burn this week, as I'd hoped The Wire might. Not that I want to be told what to think - I've come to my own conclusions on R&B, mostly very positive. It'd just be nice to see the release, and the continued existence of Wire, receiving deserved attention. But given that the news page on Pinkflag.com is still heralding the release of 12TimesYou from about 18 months ago, perhaps it's not too surprising. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 01:21:27 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] fall article in wire / melt banana If anyone wants a full text transcription of the article on "The Origins of The Fall" which is in the current issue of The Wire magazine, email me. Someone typed it all out on the fall list...I would post it here, but it is rather long and non wire related also, anyone else (beside graeme) recommend melt banana? i went to download some of their songs and they all seem to be like 40 seconds long (very pink flag esque?) ‾michael np: low - long division ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:40:48 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] ONE-FIVE-FOUR Snakes Spit on the Floor! Tim had an odd view >>>R&B1 does remind me of Snakedrill in that it sounds....tentative. It sounds like there are more fully formed things to come. I Don't Understand! 'Tentative' is just about the last word I'd use for either of them! OK 'gentle' would be a worse word, and perhaps 'quiet'... I don't think tracks come much more fully formed than Advantage in Height, A Serious of Snakes, Art of Stopping & Germ Ship! 'The Art of Persistance' might've sounded tentative in retrospect? Colin's new version is certainly as different as his remix of 'Crazy About Love.' 1st Fast definitely has the Drill rhythm (A Lowdown Bastard Drilling Surgeon's Girl) I Don't Understand has Advantage in Height Allied in Lowdown Exile The Art of Stopping is Cheeking Tongues Meeting a Serious of Snakes Under Tables and pondering whether Once was not Enough and deciding that it wasn't but then a door opens and through it they Fall. Then it starts them off again! Germ Ship bassline is fuller than Idiot Joy Showland & uses different notes >>>What is most important is that Wire are clearly setting out on a new path and are very much working as a band again. Wire are quite likely well down several different paths already. We just have to wait a while to hear the fruit... >>>I do get the impression that they are all excited by seeing what Wire can achieve following another extended leave doing their solo stuff, but with more of a nod to the first 3 LPs than in their last two incarnations. The magpie element was present in Wir: The First Letter reppropriates the bleak atmosphere of Reuters via Over Theirs Take It samples Strange Like The First Letter (Vien), on RnB01 Wire make any self-approprations harder hitting. ("Wire make a noise") Colin thinks this is the best Wire have ever sounded (no surprise there). Graham was even more animated at ATP than previous shows and seemed to be enjoying it immensely (ham-ming it up?) >>>Wire, perhaps more than any band I can think of, are very well placed to create a very interesting hybrid of the cutting edge electronic stuff that their solo efforts have produced over the last 5 or so years into a 4-piece beat-group setup. Not to detract from Wire's efforts but hear also: Silo (obviously) Boredoms Melt Banana Ground Zero (heard a rumour they were reforming) Gastr Del Sol Sonic Youth (the SYR releases) Brainiac (RIP the final EP Electro Shock for President might turn heads) Elders of Zion Trans Am (for the retro futurist oxymoron) The Unutterable Fall etc. etc. etc. Even Bob Mould is making albums on his computer these days. Low aren't. >Low were actually covering Pink Floyd though... >>>Say it aint so! Which pink floyd song did they do?! Fearless (don't worry it was drastically improved and made their own) Wasn't as funny as Shockabilly doing Lucifer Sam though! Don't Start Tim Off (He's Beginning to Fling Flack Again) >>>Twisted Nerve means cute, shaggy, beardy, stoned, lazy, sloppy, smelly and shit. You forgot unoriginal. They stole the 'smelly' idea from their mates Add N to X whose scratch'n'sniff album sleeve smells of freshly cut grass. >>>Twisted Nerve means 'Badly Drawn Boy walking into a bar, going straight down to the toilets with his mates to snort coke, and then returning and talking about himself at such a volume that you and your friends have to move to another table in order to continue the conversation. This cocaine connection might explain why he played guitar for the Fall. Lasted for one song, which is pretty good going for recent Fall times. Mixed up bars, the next stop Mars! >>>Twisted Nerve would not have signed Joy Division. No Way. Colin would have had to have hired them the ‾swim‾TARDIS after Wire had finished flying the Floyd Flag! Let us study the geography of a misbehaving atom... >>>So yes I have a massive f**king chip on my f**king shoulder about Twisted Nerve and I always will. And if you really care about your home town and its depressingly moribund music scene...so should you. No, it's easy to ignore them and get on with the interesting stuff such as gigs organised by Blame the Parents, Quarantined, Burst Couch, Pig Dog, Rotations, aLECTRO_eCOUSTIC and even occasionally Cracked Machine. btw there's a free aLECTRO_eCOUSTIC bash happening at St Philips church Salford (about 10min walk from Deansgate) on May 9th with great keyboard improviser Pat Thomas and some other mysterious performers including one by the curious name of Unplugboy. There are much more horrible things going on in the world far more worthy of vitriol than a smug little record label dressed in a tea cosey. The BNP have won a seat in Burnley. The BNP have won a seat in Burnley. The BNP have won a seat in Burnley. The BNP have won a seat in Burnley. The BNP have won a seat in Burnley. *Fuck off you Nazi Bastards* Twisted Nerve isn't interesting. Let us discuss things that are...? *Draw a line in the sand >>>Shouldn't some kind of youth rebellion be coming along now?!?!? If you had a couple of teenage sons you probably wouldn't be complaining about lack of rebellion! >>>Or are the youth of today too busy shopping for designer shite, 'TXTING' their mates on their mobile phones, and doing E's and Coke in 'superclubs'?! The ones I know are in hardcore and emo bands and putting on gigs! Or running CD-R labels. >>>On a Saturday afternoon in Manchester you will see hundreds of disaffected youths standing around Exchange Square doing nothing in particular apart from watching their mates Skateboarding around the bollards wearing t-shirts that say 'Kurt Cobain RIP'. Yeah, put 'em all in boot camp for us Tony and teach 'em some respec'! About 10minute walk from where I live (S. Manchester) police are openly showing off guns as they parade about. The excuse for this appears to be that the youth of today are shooting everyone willy nilly because they are so cracked out of their skulls they can't recognise who last ripped them off. I blame those naughty gangster rappers and hope the yot will all grow up to peek at Kylie's little bum like responsible adults. >>>Lets hope this currently MTV-suckled Useless Generation get off their lazy arses and start a cultural revolution...and make some decent music along the way. Bumpy Swim sevens round the corner? Why rely on younger folk to do it for us? Do it yourself! Maybe Kids Indestructable can lead the artrock revolution if that's what you want. I think notions of 'music revolution' are utterly specious and merely self serving ploys by the likes of quiz show host T. Wilson (he invented Joy Division) to try to maintain an iota of former kudos. Gilles Deleuzes' 'folds & rhizomes' theory much espoused and manifested by the Mille Plateaux label for the last decade or so holds true in as much as there is so much art-music-noise activity happening now in so many varied and overlapping strata that even if one were to devote every waking hour to listening one could not keep up. It is happening right under the noses of the increasingly irrelevent hype-media and entertainment corporations. The gap is widening. I think what has been happening since grunge/rave is an ever widening gulf between style and content, with V/Vm plunging gleefully into the middle of it to dredge up all the shit (obligatory V/Vm mention just to wind up Tim). In Short: There will be no more 'Next Big Things.' The constrictions that made such bulges occur are outmoded, outflanked and out of the house. Age is of no concern whatsoever when it comes to interesting noises (see Wire, Faust, John Cage, Holger Czukay, Coil, Neubauten, Sonic Youth, etc, etc, etc) The net radio legislation is symptomatic of just how out of touch the dinosaur corporations are and whilst it's a drag, they can pass all the irrlevent silly laws they like but we'll always find a way round. Look how quickly alternatives to Napster sprang up. Comet metaphors apply here: the dinosaurs were quite likely to have mostly died out soon after a comet impacted. Maybe Wire's heaven sent extinction event can be seen as a metaphor for the end of the dinosaur mentality that sees money as an end in itself rather than a mere facilitator? Bruce has messed about on the interface of legality / art in some of his later out of Wire experiences. Did the IBM pressing sell out before the corporation's lawyers had even picked up a phone? It took Panasonic a while to go after those Finns. Paul asked >NP Van Bergen / Prins / Fennesz - Dawn (Grob) >>>is this new? similar to endless summer? New and a recording of an improvised gig, perhaps more abstract than ES. I'll review it as soon as I've listened to it enough. Nice to know you like it, but its the people at Mego who released it & Christian F himself who deserve the thanks! Desormais - Climate Variations (intr_version) will probably appeal to E-Summer-heads. I have a big backlog of reviews to write so I really must stop prattling away here! (It's all in the art of stopping) Come back in two scarves Lock up your raincoats! The Notorious Emearg NP Roger Miller - A Woman in Half Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 12:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ONE-FIVE-FOUR Snakes Spit on the Floor! On Sat, 4 May 2002, Bill Hick wrote: > 'The Art of Persistance' might've sounded tentative in retrospect? > Colin's new version is certainly as different as his remix of 'Crazy > About Love.' What what what? There's an alternate version of "Crazy About Love"? That is by far my favorite Wire piece ever. I need to hear this. I don't have Read & Burn yet, so if this track is on that, or in some other obvious location, please be gentle with me. a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:42:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] rising like a phoenix from behind his piano - get down did you know that ideal copy's alternative 'hero' gilbert o'sullivan has a new single out??? entitled (and how's this for a pun) 'two's company (three is allowed), it's available on 'bygum' records (i kid you not!) and features the priceless line "monogamy is a piece of wood'. form an orderly queue at the back please ; ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:59:36 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rising like a phoenix from behind his piano - get down I'LL BE BARGING to the front keith.... shall i grab you a copy.... i think NOT ! CHEERS David in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: [idealcopy] rising like a phoenix from behind his piano - get down > did you know that ideal copy's alternative 'hero' gilbert o'sullivan has a new > single out??? > entitled (and how's this for a pun) 'two's company (three is allowed), it's > available on 'bygum' records (i kid you not!) and features the priceless line > "monogamy is a piece of wood'. > form an orderly queue at the back please ; ) > > keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:08:22 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ONE-FIVE-FOUR Snakes Spit on the Floor!REPLY NO.2 hello again..... RE- your menion of Gilles Deleuzes; "folds and rhizomes" theory....do you have any more info? I'm genuinely interested! can you point me to any sites.... or do you have text you can send???? i have to grapple with these post modern forces everyday at the art school. Some of it a load of tosh... but some very engaging. Are you a FOUCAULT man? must go before i become just a simulacra ...is this the "ideal copy"? cheers david in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hick" To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: [idealcopy] ONE-FIVE-FOUR Snakes Spit on the Floor! > Why rely on younger folk to do it for us? Do it yourself! Maybe Kids > Indestructable can lead the artrock revolution if that's what you want. I > think notions of 'music revolution' are utterly specious and merely self > serving ploys by the likes of quiz show host T. Wilson (he invented Joy > Division) to try to maintain an iota of former kudos. Gilles Deleuzes' 'folds > & rhizomes' theory much espoused and manifested by the Mille Plateaux label > for the last decade or so holds true in as much as there is so much > art-music-noise activity happening now in so many varied and overlapping > strata that even if one were to devote every waking hour to listening one > could not keep up. It is happening right under the noses of the increasingly > irrelevent hype-media and entertainment corporations. The gap is widening. I > think what has been happening since grunge/rave is an ever widening gulf > between style and content, with V/Vm plunging gleefully into the middle of it > to dredge up all the shit (obligatory V/Vm mention just to wind up Tim). > > In Short: There will be no more 'Next Big Things.' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:18:49 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ONE-FIVE-FOUR Snakes Spit on the Floor! In a message dated 5/5/02 12:13:00 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >gigs organised by Blame the Parents, Quarantined, Burst Couch, Pig Dog, >Rotations, aLECTRO_eCOUSTIC and even occasionally Cracked Machine. > >btw there's a free aLECTRO_eCOUSTIC bash happening at St Philips church >Salford (about 10min walk from Deansgate) on May 9th with great keyboard >improviser Pat Thomas and some other mysterious performers including one >by >the curious name of Unplugboy. for those of us in the new york area, luxx (in williamsburg, brooklyn) is the place to be this saturday the 11th. a gig organised by darla/simdisc/555 followed by a dj set of electro clash. the bands performing at 8, 9 & 10 are kanda, aarktica, and mahogany respectively. should be real neat :o) - -another the paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #138 *******************************