From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #136 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 3 2002 Volume 05 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Radio 6 B'cast [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] short notice- listen now ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Germ Ship on BBC 6 NOW! [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Germ Ship on BBC 6 NOW! [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Burning Up Time ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Radio 6 B'cast [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] BBC6 Session ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Torching the Old Tortures [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Burning Up Time ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Torching the Old Tortures [Tim ] [idealcopy] Its 1976 again! [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation ["bartvandamme@home" Subject: [idealcopy] Radio 6 B'cast O'K,so now we over here know we can listen 'after the event'it doesn't solve the problem of time difference,most of us are working at the airing time,if any of you lovely britts recorded this......perhaps they could send me an ideal copy,and I'll act as vessel for any other americano's that want. We are not all as lucky as Paul,listening on his computer at work indeed!Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 02:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation 1-5-4 got my vote 'off the bat'10-4 over and out.Ari - --- Giacomo wrote: > Which is the right album's pronunciation: > one-hundred-and-fifty-four or > one-five-four? > > Thanks ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:06:33 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] short notice- listen now > why do we only ever find out about these radio things an hour before they're broadcast , i seem to miss every one? i presume you can get R6 thru a sky digibox in which case i'll give tonights show a listen. Just log on using the link that someone sent earlier. look for the 'listen now' bit at the top of the page (I'm not being patronising, I couldn't work out how to actually listen when I first found their page). they also tell you a couple of other ways to listen. > wonder what tom robinson thought of wire? p He was a bit non-committal really. obviously not a big fan - 'think Pink Flag was their first album - was it - yeah Pink Flag was their first' sort of thing, and referred to how short their tracks used to be and how unusual their titles were. however, as my reception kept cutting out, I may have missed something. (I spoke to T.R. after a gig he did with TV Smith and Andy White a few yrs ago - admittedly it was very brief, but he came across as a really nice bloke) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:09:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio 6 B'cast > O'K,so now we over here know we can listen 'after the > event'it doesn't solve the problem of time > difference,most of us are working at the airing > time,if any of you lovely britts recorded > this...... I don't know how to record from this myself ari. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:41:41 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio 6 B'cast Didn't someone come up with a piece of software a while ago that enabled you to download streams? I myself tuned in at about 7.20 (via the net) and only heard the last track played, Agfers. He mentioned Lowdown, 12XU (is that one, two, XU or twelve XU?), and Germ Ship. But don't know whether they'd been played that night or earlier in week. Hopefully Kevin is recording them all for a follow up to Coatings... Cheers John >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Ari Britt" , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio 6 B'cast >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:09:16 +0100 > > > O'K,so now we over here know we can listen 'after the > > event'it doesn't solve the problem of time > > difference,most of us are working at the airing > > time,if any of you lovely britts recorded > > this...... > >I don't know how to record from this myself ari. > >keith _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:01:28 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Are You Are Missing Reporter? Tim ranted: F**kin hell, Anyone who is in any doubt whether 'Bill Hick' is Graeme should be convinced by now. ///////////// Yeah, after that review and previous use of the phrase "pissed all over" I'm convinced. But why not just come back as Graeme? You're so obvious. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:23:35 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation same here. dan, wondering what the numerological interpretation might be ... >1-5-4 got my vote 'off the bat'10-4 over and out.Ari >--- Giacomo wrote: >> Which is the right album's pronunciation: >> one-hundred-and-fifty-four or >> one-five-four? >> >> Thanks > > >===== >everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:42:41 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Gilbert Remixes/Vintage Wire Graeme: >lot in common. Bruce enjoyed Faust at the RFH. Not sure what Colin thought of >them. It's just a shame they didn't ask Bruce to do a remix as his hilarious >multiplied TV Spot is the best thing on Sacrilege. Does Howie B's ambient >Faust remix remind you of Low Impact Immersion? I haven't heard the Faust remixes, but would be more likely to do so had they included Gilbert: I completely agree w/ you re. Sacrilege. I just purchased (by mail--not in my possesion yet) a similar cd of People Like Us, strictly because Bruce was among those remixing. However yesterday my ten >tops seemed to fire away: > >In Esse >The Haring >IBM (obviously all 3-4 at the same time) :) Welcome back. >From: "Keith Astbury" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Are You Are Missing Reporter? > >> A great new song >> entitled "Ten Years After" with the shouted chorus, "Spit!" is probably >going >> to be on the next one. "It's the simplest chorus we could sing," explained >> Graham, "And we'd never have got away with it in 78!" > >this is the track that peel played along with 'lowdown' from ATP. didn't >think it was vintage wire myself to be honest, but i'll stick with it. >keith While I can't comment on the track (not having heard it), I do have to question if there IS a vintage Wire that their listening base would agree on. Judging by the recent top ten lists, I'd say "no". Actually, my first reaction to R n B was disappointment--"oh, they're going back to that". But after weeks of daily listening my ears have finally figured out that they haven't gone back to anything. Yet another in a seemingly endless progressions in the answer to "what is Wire". Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:48:35 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Are You Are Missing Reporter? At 09:01 AM 5/2/2002 -0400, Eric Klaver wrote: >Tim ranted: > >F**kin hell, Anyone who is in any doubt whether 'Bill Hick' is >Graeme should be convinced by now. > >///////////// > >Yeah, after that review and previous use of the phrase "pissed all over" I'm >convinced. > >But why not just come back as Graeme? Maybe he believed that popular myth around here that he was banned from the list. :-) later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation On Thu, 2 May 2002, dan bailey wrote: > dan, wondering what the numerological interpretation might be ... It was the number of gigs they'd played before recording it, right? Just heard Fischerspooner's cover of "The 15th"... I had no idea it was coming; the print on the back is in a very annoying style, so I didn't read the track listing before popping it in. Good stuff. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:54:29 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] Germ Ship on BBC 6 NOW! Sorry! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:00:09 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Germ Ship on BBC 6 NOW! >Sorry! I meant to say - Sorry about the short notice. Glad I had the "internet radio" tuned to BBC 6. That version rocked! And, was that Graham I heard on there? By the way - all of these BBC sessions should come out on CD, if they're as good as that one. Cheers, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:34:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Germ Ship on BBC 6 NOW! Paul said > That version rocked! CERTAINLY DID!!! Pretty different to the CD I thought. And more Wire like in a way. (i.e. it didn't quite sound so 'is vic there?'/idiot joy showland. Excellent. > By the way - all of these BBC sessions should come out on CD, if > they're as good as that one. Agree wholeheartedly. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: The future of Independent Internet Radio is at stake: please check it out and take action!!!!!! Hey all, I was sent this email by a musician friend here is Santa Cruz. I am passing it on in the hope that some of you will check it out and write to your representatives about it. The Courteny Love speech that is mentioned below is worth reading as well. Thanks! RJH > This url was sent to me by Stephen Goodman (an > expatriated American > musician living > in London) on the Loopers Delight list (largest > looping music > website/community on earth). > > It is chilling and we really need to take action > immediately to prevent it > from happening. > > Legislation is about to be passed that will > effectively kill Independent > Internet Radio (the ONLY > alternative to the stranglehold that the major music > conglomerates and > distributors and > commercial radio has on the music industry). > > The issue is not necessarily about whether musicians > and composers should be > compensated for their work but more for the > fact that the music business has an increasing > stranglehold on the > dissemination of music in this country. They are > usurous > and decietful in their practises. Right now, the > internet and internet > radio is the ONLY way I have of getting my music > out to people. I made a very decent amount of > money from my entirely > independently produced, manufactured and > disseminated > CD of abstract, loop based electronica last year > (because I stepped out of > the paradigm of the music industry and did > everything myself) and I would > never have been able to do the dance commissions, > documentary soundtracks, > museum appearances and other gigs if I had relied on > the dominant paradigm > to 'pay' me for my music. This legislation will > only increase the major > mega-corporate music business labels stranglehold on > music in the world. > Please fight it!!!! > > The website is more articulate than I coud be on the > subject so please take > time to go there and > take the action that they recommend. > > Yours, in the love of and the preservation of > creativity and music in our > community, > > Rick Walker > > > http://www.saveinternetradio.org > > ps for a transcript of Courtney Love's eye opening > keynote speech to the > Digital Hollywood Conference in New York City about > the state of the music business' treatment of > artists, go to this URL. This > is a long speech but incredibly important if you > want to > be informed about what is happening to music in our > country. > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:02:09 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] BBC6 Session It was recorded for Tom Robinson's program 12XU Live to air on 18.04 The other tracks for future broadcast... "Agfers of Kodack" "Germ Ship" "1st. Fast" "Lowdown" Did anyone actually record 12XU? Apparently Tom also interviewed Colin. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:59:04 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Burning Up Time The Living Keith hummed >>>Seem to recall My Life Story not being very popular with listees Can't wait to read your autobiography! I'm sure it'll be better than any pretentious crap I can write! >>>people who waste their time by writing to folk they don't know, I've met at least seven subscribers outside of cyberspace. If it's a waste of time why do you bother? >>>about some old band Wire is just some old band now? Off with his head! Or at the very least make him listen to the complete works of Peter Hammil! RnB01 grew bigger >>>Can anyone out there think of an album with shorter gaps btwn songs than this? Lots of them. Do you need a 'Top 10'? Try 'Teeny Shiny' by Melt Banana, specifically the last 3 tracks on side 1. Boredoms 'Vision Creation Newsun' is almost gapless, as is much of Faust's 'Ravvivando.' Don't start me off. Have you heard 'The Drill' or side 2 of 'Its Beginning To And Back Again' or the WMO 'Dugga' Drill covers compilation? Another gapless disc is 'Opening Sweep' by Ocsid and 'In Between' is almost as bereft. Better stop before this devolves into a list. I have no problem with lists, they can be quite useful but hierarchical lists (eg. Top Ten) are just symptomatic of patriarchal capitalist competitive structures which are obsolete if the human race is to evolve positively, especially when it comes to art / music. Knowledge is more fruitfully arranged horizontally than vertically. As it applies to Wire, about 90% of what they've recorded as Wire and in other formations should count as 'The Best' if such an exercise is undertaken. *Draw a line in the sand RnB01 actually works very well on random play, since it's all in the art of stopping. First couple of times I shuffled it, Agfers came out first & would have actually made a very good opener. Is the chorus Colin singing or is it Graham doing a cheeky impression of Colin? Graham is good at imitating voices so this is possible and he does sing the whole thing live. >>>My pick of the bunch after numerous listens is still 'I Don't Understand' - - the one track that for me would be fit to grace ANY Wire album. It would've been a giant leap had it appeared on 'Pink Flag'. Gilbert turns to Lewis in pub. "Where's that Bastard Newman today?" "He's off inventing a time machine so he can bring back computer editing technology for us to make the album with. That'll show the fuckin' Pistols! We'll soon be sounding just like Pink Floyd!" Drunk Punk in pub: "I Don't Understand!" Lewis: "Well, that'll do for a TITLE." You don't understand? The above routine is intended as an exercise in imaginary humour and any resemblance to anything else is pure nostalgia. Look where organic farming gets you! >>>Yep. He's still punk's Charlie Watts to Rat Scabies Keith Moon! I don't understand. Who was punk's Nick Mason? Could it be Mark Bursa? >>>It's Graeme all right. And I don't believe he was having a go at those who didn't attend ATP - he was simply hailing the event as the Woodstock of the post-laptop generation, and thus claiming golden anorak brownie points by being there Just stirring things up a bit. Nary a laptop in earshot at ATP - that's next year when Autechre choose the line up. Top points only for those who went 2nd time around & saw Melt Banana as well as Wire (not to mention the Ex w/ orchestra). It was too hot for anoraks there, especially in the swimming pool and at Shellac gigs. Scoring points is not on my agenda. Enjoying Wire is no competition! >>>Meanwhile the rest of us eschewed the dubious charms of an out-of-season holiday camp populated by intense young indie-kids in favour of an night in with our Blancmange and Flock of Seagulls B-sides. As you do. You'd have loved it! Todd Trainer started his DJ set with his favourite band Joy Division (forgot to ask him about his ten top factories). Whilst your comment is obviously flippant you are making a misleading assumption that the place was full of intense kids. The age range was wide (for example one of my chalet sharers was younger than me but two were older). I'd say it probably averaged out at late twenties. The guys next door were way older than us and funnily enough they were people I knew from years ago in Liverpool. The attitude of those in attendance was very laid back and friendly, except for some disgruntled godspeed fans who were being kept out of the gig by over zealous security when the room was far from full. It was so laid back the security had to let off steam by fighting each other! They don't even stop you taking your own booze into the gigs which was pretty good since I arrived well stocked with organic German brews. I did suggest a detour via Bristol but Shellac / Threnody Ensemble / Oxes / Dianogah / David Lovering / Blonde Redhead / Shipping News / Low / Breeders was quite a good gig, even if Flock of Seagulls would surely have blown them all away! Those who went to Bristol did you rate Mclusky? If you liked them you might be interested to know that they're in session for John Peel a week today. I find it hard to believe a band with a name that crap can be much good. Life Without Buildings who supported Wire in Edinburgh were mediocre. Where's Punk's Elvin Jones? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Dome - Airmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:10:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radio 6 B'cast I use a little program called Total Recorder. It costs $10 but is worthwhile. Can record any streaming audio. But it helps to know when the f***ing sesion is being broadcast!! Mark > > O'K,so now we over here know we can listen 'after the > > event'it doesn't solve the problem of time > > difference,most of us are working at the airing > > time,if any of you lovely britts recorded > > this...... > > I don't know how to record from this myself ari. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:20:25 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BBC6 Session > The other tracks for future broadcast... > "Agfers of Kodack" > "Germ Ship" > "1st. Fast" > "Lowdown" thought i heard tom robinson say that 'germ ship' was the concluding track. the other tracks must have been broadcast earlier this wk. > Did anyone actually record 12XU? let's hope so. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:28:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ...arriving late to class... > As as side note, I bought Swim Team 2 with R&B and > it's great!! I did too. Don't you think the gtr on colin's track 'tsunami' sort of points the way to 'read & burn'? Keith > > ===== > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > PO Box 7770 > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > t: (831) 425-7335 > f: (831) 425-7356 > http://3rproductions.com > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Germ Ship on BBC 6 NOW! Yes,but it took years for them to release the Peel sessions,I want it NOW! (I love being a spoilt bratt)Ari - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > >Sorry! > > I meant to say - Sorry about the short notice. > > Glad I had the "internet radio" tuned to BBC 6. > > That version rocked! And, was that Graham I heard > on there? > > By the way - all of these BBC sessions should come > out on CD, if > they're as good as that one. > > Cheers, > Paul. ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:44:05 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation In a message dated 5/1/02 8:33:49 PM, g.dinoto@tiscalinet.it writes: >one-hundred-and-fifty-four or > >one-five-four? one fifty four ;o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:57:20 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Torching the Old Tortures In a message dated 5/1/02 3:14:00 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >Could it Be? > >Cracked Machine >Highly Irregular Cyberzine >http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > an official "welcome back" then...followed by an OT question: >NP Van Bergen / Prins / Fennesz - Dawn (Grob) is this new? similar to endless summer? thank you for turning me on to fennesz :o) - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 00:03:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Burning Up Time >>people who waste their time by writing to folk they don't know, > > I've met at least seven subscribers outside of cyberspace. If it's a waste of > time why do you bother? come on graeme. and they say americans don't get irony... > Wire is just some old band now? > Off with his head! > Or at the very least make him listen to the complete works of Peter Hammil! come on. i don't deserve THAT! > Have you heard 'The Drill' or side 2 of 'Its > Beginning To And Back Again' or the WMO 'Dugga' Drill covers compilation? yes, yes and no! > Better stop before this devolves into a list. I have no problem with lists, > they can be quite useful but hierarchical lists (eg. Top Ten) are just > symptomatic of patriarchal capitalist competitive structures which are > obsolete if the human race is to evolve positively, especially when it comes > to art / music. Knowledge is more fruitfully arranged horizontally than > vertically. what was that about pretentiousness??? > >>>My pick of the bunch after numerous listens is still 'I Don't Understand' > > the one track that for me would be fit to grace ANY Wire album. > It would've been a giant leap had it appeared on 'Pink Flag'. don't wire do giant leap forwards then? (though obviously i meant in terms of quality) > Scoring points is not on my agenda. Enjoying Wire is no competition! EXACTLY. keith p.s. i didn't think nick mason was important enough to spend time thinking about ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 01:00:07 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] short notice- listen now Paul wrote: >why do we only ever find out about these radio things an hour before >they're broadcast , i seem to miss every one? i presume you can get R6 >thru a sky digibox in which case i'll give tonights show a listen. I dare say Radio 6's viewing figures will have doubled over the past couple of days. Digital Radio is a wacky concept...radio that you can't actually listen to on the radio. Although having a national, non commercial music station without the irritating 'Dance Anthems party time' feel of Radio 1 and the 'hello to all you truckers ou there' Radio 2 vibe is a good thing. And if they're prepared to host a session by Wire that can't be bad. Can't help feeling its arrived too early..can't be many people owning a digital radio and who listens to the radio on their TV?! (Most UK home internet connections are still 56k dial up) So has anyone actually captured a good recording of the Peel tracks and the R6 session? ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 02:28:15 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Torching the Old Tortures "Bill" wrote: >I think 02 will be better, judging by the 3 new songs. It is interesting the way Wire have moved from Retrosopective shows to playing mostly new sets with encores from Pink Flag, and the R&B1 material very much having an agressive, speedy PF feel. Like they have something to prove?! One hopes that future R&B's will see a more more forward looking Wire. >The Pink Flag cut & pastes are obvious on RnB01 but there seems to be >more Snakedrill in it than any other Wire record. I wonder how deliberate that >was? R&B1 does remind me of Snakedrill in that it sounds....tentative. It sounds like there are more fully formed things to come. What is most important is that Wire are clearly setting out on a new path and are very much working as a band again. I do get the impression that they are all excited by seeing what Wire can achieve following another extended leave doing their solo stuff, but with more of a nod to the first 3 LPs than in their last two incarnations. Wire, perhaps more than any band I can think of, are very well placed to create a very interesting hybrid of the cutting edge electronic stuff that their solo efforts have produced over the last 5 or so years into a 4-piece beat-group setup. >All the young 'uns who I know who saw Wire at ATP were mightily impressed. In >the program Steve Albini says that if it was not for Wire, their festival >would have had a lot of empty stages. I'm sure more people in bands were >watching Wire than godspeed. I hope so. Wire are certainly far more a band for 2002 than Godspeed...who last time I saw them seemed to slipping into prog rock hell. When I saw Wire at the 2000 ATP, the non-Wire fans in my party agreed that Wire had more power and energy than anything else on the bill that weekend....despite being old enough to father most of the other bands. (This was the ATP where Mogwai decided to wank about like a sort of post-rock version of Yes, and the year that Kim Gordon decided top play a f**king trumpet rather than sing, and lead Sonic Youth doing their very own 'Jazz Oddessey', Spinal Tap style.....and no, we did not enjoy ' their new direction'!) >Being the fastest isn't everything of course. > >Low were actually covering Pink Floyd though... Say it aint so! Which pink floyd song did they do?! >I think the Faust remixes are superb. Reviewed it on the Brain a while back >and got sent a very nice thank you email by Hans Joachim Irmler. It's not >worth reading it though because the guy who runs the site doesn't have a big >chip on his shoulder about Twisted Nerve. Damn right I have a chip on my shoulder about Twisted Nerve. They represent everything that is wrong with the Manchester music scene in 2002. Twisted Nerve means cute, shaggy, beardy, stoned, lazy, sloppy, smelly and shit. Twisted Nerve means 'Badly Drawn Boy walking into a bar, going straight down to the toilets with his mates to snort coke, and then returning and talking about himself at such a volume that you and your friends have to move to another table in order to continue the conversation. Twisted Nerve would not have signed Joy Division. No Way. So yes I have a massive f**king chip on my f**king shoulder about Twisted Nerve and I always will. And if you really care about your home town and its depressingly moribund music scene...so should you. Two Words 'Hugh' and 'Grant'. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 02:57:25 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Its 1976 again! On your TV tonight: The BNP have won a seat in Burnley. There was a woman on TV tonight who had small breasts who spent a week wearing fake tits to find out what having big tits might be like. She said 'In Liverpool on a night out, you need to have a Mobile phone, a Prada handbag and big tits'. Gareth Gates was number one for several weeks recently singing f**king 'Unchained Melody' with all the soul and passion of a depressed Traffic Warden, to the same backing track that Robson & Jerome sang over a few year previously Moby has a new album coming out soon, no doubt exciting Car manufacturers the world over looking for soundtracks to their new adverts. Thousands are cheering the Queen on as she embarks on a 14 week tour of UK cities. Shouldn't some kind of youth rebellion be coming along now?!?!? Or are the youth of today too busy shopping for designer shite, 'TXTING' their mates on their mobile phones, and doing E's and Coke in 'superclubs'?! On a Saturday afternoon in Manchester you will see hundreds of disaffected youths standing around Exchange Square doing nothing in particular apart from watching their mates Skateboarding around the bollards wearing t-shirts that say 'Kurt Cobain RIP'. Lets hope this currently MTV-suckled Useless Generation get off their lazy arses and start a cultural revolution...and make some decent music along the way. _______________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 06:48:41 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 pronunciation >>> one-hundred-and-fifty-four or >> one-five-four? > one fifty four - ------------------ Throat Wobbler Mangrove? ;-) Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #136 *******************************