From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #131 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, April 28 2002 Volume 05 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Top 10 ["Garry Phillipson" ] [idealcopy] Return of a Leg End? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] doves sing crimson ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Return of a Leg End? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Bill Hick my arse.... ["ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Top 10 #just to remind anyone still thinking of voting for top 10 wire albums #there's just a few days left...(30/4) #keith OK, here's mine... 1: 154 2: It-ness (Hox) 3: Chairs Missing 4: Immanent (HALO) 5: A Bell is a Cup... 6: Drill 7: Pink Flag 8: Not to (Newman) 9: It's Beginning to & Back... 10: The Ideal Copy - - Subject to the usual disclaimers, prevarications and provisionalisations that accompany such lists. Things that are further down the list than conventional wisdom might suggest aren't there because I don't like them, so much as the surprise entries (which I suppose are Hox and HALO) are high up the list because I like them loads. One thing which this exercise got me thinking about is how much I like Mike Thorne's production on the first 3 albums. I think that 'It-ness' might be the first post-Thorne thing I've listened to from the lads where it hasn't been in the back of my mind that 'this could be even better if Thorne was at the helm'. Though I suppose the Thorne effect might be largely due to Harvest's budget allowing them more studio time - frinstance the arrangement/production of 'Kidney Bingos' seems to me to have had a lot more time lavished on it than any other track on ABIAC & to be the better for it. Garry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:51:00 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Return of a Leg End? Perhaps the most thrilling musical event that has ever happened is just beginning and we are all fucking up bigtime by not being there. As if Wire, Melt Banana and Shellac all on the same bill is not art-rock heaven enough, you could also be hearing Threnody Ensemble, Low, Rachel's and Consonant. Gigs that fine don't happen often! Reverse time one week. Go to swim and to swim every morning. Drink good beer in a pub with members of Wire. See bands . Meet up with old friends you haven't seen for years. Go for a walk on the beach. Watch the violent end of 'Miller's Crossing' because of a dim memory of the Coen brothers' film inspiring a Jesus Lizard song. Aside from watching many of the bands play mostly full sets on indoor stages with decent sound on the interesting and unique bill Shellac cooked up, these were a few of the things I got up to at All Tomorrow's Parties. If you had to choose between seeing godspeed you black emperor! or Wire play which would it be? Before Wire headlined the second day there was an air of excitement much incited by Jason Noble of Rachel's enthusing from the stage. Kazu Makino and Todd Trainer also seemed pretty excited about seeing them. The Primary Stage went dark and a low drone hummed, very slowly building in intensity. A bespectacled silver haired man walked on and switched on a large flashlight, and close behind three slightly younger men did the same, swinging the lights direct into the faces of the gathering crowd. This was a fantastic way of slightly disorientating the proceedings and making everyone pay attention. It also reversed the lighting situation so that the faces of the fans were illuminated. Who was there? Two guys named Joe, from the Bilge Pump and Kling Klang groups. Colin's light swung blindingly into my eyes. Bruce abandoned his beacon to shine out from beside his amp to fiddle with guitar effects. Graham and Colin both made slow dance like moves with the beacons. Robert was next to drop his light and did something quite unexpected. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:04:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] doves sing crimson If someone had asked me a week or so ago what two bands mentioned here recently (for different reasons) Doves and King Crimson had in common, I'd say 'Red'. However, I've since read that 'M62 Song' - a track on the new Doves LP - - is an 'adaptation' of an old King Crimson song. Can't offer the Crimson fans any clue as to what song it is though (the clue may be in the title for all I know?) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:10:08 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT-hannett site and here's a mertin hannett site. forgot to include this in the other email: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.b/hannett/hannett.htm - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:10:56 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Prefects CD i wrote : > > can't wait for my mail-ordered Prefects CD > >wonder if john etc will update us on the nightingales gig which i think was >last night. > >keith replied. well, i can give you an update on the CD, it arrived this morning. musically, it's fine...basically it's the two Peel Sessions plus two live tracks from an Electric Circus gig in '77, about 45 minutes in all (question...were/are both these sessions available from Strange Fruit? i know for sure that one was...). 'product'-wise, it's a bit disappointing. for #9.00, inc p&p, it's a CD-R, on which was written, in marker-pen, The Prefects and then my copy number, 27. so it's probably burnt straight from the vinyl (which i SHOULD have bought in the first place, but then with these things you think...'well, it'll always be around...' duh...). the inside and back inserts are just photocopies with a few quotes from people over a few old fanzine photos...ok, i know it's all very punk-rock, but i WAS hoping for at least a bit of a booklet/biog (hey, everybody loves a history...). sort of puts the extra few quid for 'R&B' from PE into context,doesn't it? or am i being a grumpy middle-aged bastard...? you tell me... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:18:30 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Return of a Leg End? In a message dated 4/27/02 9:55:15 AM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >Perhaps the most thrilling musical event that has ever happened is just >Colin's light swung blindingly into my eyes. Bruce >abandoned his beacon to shine out from beside his amp to fiddle with guitar >effects. Graham and Colin both made slow dance like moves with the beacons. >Robert was next to drop his light and did something quite unexpected. this was good reading. where's the rest of the post?! i want more. please. - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:28:47 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Bill Hick my arse.... welcome back Graeme... ;0) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:52:38 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bill Hick my arse.... In a message dated 4/27/02 4:29:38 PM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: >welcome back Graeme... ;0) no shit? <---pardonnay mwah silver plates if bill be graeme, then speak up shnake! :o) another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:32:32 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Cabbies HAIL YET MORE CABS! Stowe for sure! Great link, thanks Andrew! Golf club? I wonder what mssrs Kent and Gilpin would have to say about that? Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Lumbard Sent: April 27, 2002 3:08 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Cabbies HAIL YET MORE CABS! Eric asked: <> I'm about 4 miles away from Stowe, and a member of the Golf Club there (not sure if that admission has done my credibility any good). Any stills available? I should be able to narrow it down. Or see if you can spot the location on http://bsc.edu/~jtatter/stowe.html For film buffs only, famous movie scene filmed at Stowe - the book burning in Indiana Jones' 'Raiders'. My mate was a german guard. AndyL ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #131 *******************************