From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #129 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 26 2002 Volume 05 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Set list from Bristol [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] set list from bristol ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Juxtaposition online at www.kdhx.org [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Juxtaposition online at www.kdhx.org ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] set list from bristol ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Liars ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] guilty pleasure/confession time! [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] mooney suzuki [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] a Factory poll.... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] a Factory poll.... ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Set list from Bristol Thnx Mark, this is great stuff to read! [Does Colin still lurks from time to time?] Cheers... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > All, > > Mr Newman has kindly provided the set list from Bristol and a (very) brief > report of ATP.... > > Mark > >>> 1. (untitled) - This is a piece based on DJ Fuckoff9s* remix of drill. This > will be an occasional treat best shown off at ATP as we did the 1st 3 > minutes shining very powerful torches into a darkened audience . > 2. Read & Burn (new) > 3. Germ ship (from R&B 01) > 4. Mr. Marx9s Table (new) > 5. 1st Fast (from R&B 01) > 6. Agfers of Kodack (from R&B 01) > 7. Comet (from R&B 01) > 8. In The Art of Stopping (from R&B 01) > 9. 10 years after (new) > 10. I Don9t Understand (from R&B 01) > > ATP went well, we filled the top (main) room - which was no mean achievement > as we probably had the hardest match of any on the bill which was the > enormously popular Godspeed You Black Emperor downstairs. > > * My , ahem, DJ handle - I know....my sense of humour will get me in trouble > one of these days :) > > If anyone is in London next w/e I9d recommend the Garage on Sunday night, a > triple bill of loud, shouty and young bands (Liars, mcluskey & yeah yeah > yeahs) > > cheers > > Colin<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:20:56 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] printed matter apologies for being quiet but my home computer has worms and there has been such a volume of mails coming in that it has been all i could manage at work to read em all , let alone make any pithy yet intelligent responses. i mean , you'd all hate british industry to come to a standstill on account of such idle banter (ho ho) anyway , suffice to say it was very nice to see all those ideal copiers having it large at the rave friendly bristol gig. great to see you all again. the guardian printed a bizarre review of ATP yesterday. quoted albini's programme notes about wire , but nothing about their performance. also mentioned that the deal sisters spent a lot of time in the bar , but nothing on their performance either. i suspect the journalist spent much more time in the bar than the auditorium , but maybe i am cynical. my mission to read something worthy looks like being thwarted for another month with these Q/NME punk rock specials. much as i am opposed to nostalgia , these look quite fun. unlike Q in general , which i gave up on last autumn after maybe 10 years. uncut and mojo are both miles better , i know they cover some crap but there is good stuff and its worth reading. be interesting to see what NME made of ATP. i bought it a couple of weeks back (free cd.......) and it was the usual pile of crap. we shall see........p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:38:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Set list from Bristol Bart, << [Does Colin still lurks from time to time?] >> I think it's called market research ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:09:04 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot- eyeless in gaza There was also a short lived band for Martyn post EIG called The Hungry I. (Mate of a mate played bass for them - the skinny bass player from the Primitives.) Don't know how much material they released but at least two 12"s. I've got one called 'Falling Orchard' on Nursery Records. Released 1991. Cheers John _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:23:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] printed matter >be interesting to see what NME made of ATP. i bought it a couple of weeks back (free cd.......) and it was the usual pile >of crap. we shall see........p it would indeed be interesting paul. cos unless it's hiding somewhere and i haven't found it yet, there's no review whatsoever... (there is, however, a full page review of oxide & neutrino outling the, yawn, security arrangements at the gig). ok, so the nme could say that they're not reviewing wire cos they're some old dinosaur band from way back when, but what about, say, low and godspeed you black emporer, who they have raved about in the not-so-distance-past (indeed GYBE were responsible for one of the nme's top 10 albums of the year in 2000 - yeah *that* long ago - unless i'm seriously mistaken). still when they feature a full page live oxide & neutrino review, a couple of pages on 'christian nu-metal phenomenon' POD and include Robbie Williams in their '50 classic images from rock's greatest archive' free booklet, you know that the traditionally 'cool' nme is indoubtedly chasing the populist vote. still on a brighter note, the doves LP got 9/10. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:57:33 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Set list from Bristol > If anyone is in London next w/e I9d recommend the Garage on Sunday night, a > triple bill of loud, shouty and young bands (Liars, mcluskey & yeah yeah > yeahs) > Colin is colin trying to tell us something - i.e. is this a wire secret gig (liar rhymes with wire and would be a suitable pseudonym - and mcclusky supported wire last week). if anyone knows of a band called the liars then so be it, but it's just a thought cos i haven't heard of them myself. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:57:37 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] set list from bristol >>if anyone knows of a band called the liars then so be it, but it's just a thought cos i haven't heard of them myself. keith You've heard of the yeah, yeah, yeah's ??? 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Mark << is colin trying to tell us something - i.e. is this a wire secret gig (liar rhymes with wire and would be a suitable pseudonym - and mcclusky supported wire last week). if anyone knows of a band called the liars then so be it, but it's just a thought cos i haven't heard of them myself. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:33:43 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] set list from bristol << You've heard of the yeah, yeah, yeah's ??? >> Yeah Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:29:56 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: GSYBE >First time I saw GSBYE they were spellbinding. While I haven't had the pleasure of seeing them live, GSYBE has never disappointed me on disc. The perfect soundtrack to a gloomy day. Michael Flaherty np: Slow Riot for New Zero Kanada ep by GSYBE, which I put on right before I started reading the digests. OK, ... another (slightly less) weird coincidence. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:37:34 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] set list from bristol > << You've heard of the yeah, yeah, yeah's ??? >> > > Yeah > > Mark ;-) and you know that can't be bad - oooooohhhhh..... seriously though, the YYY are bottom of the bill and it wouldn't be a big deal not to have heard of them. mcclusky are getting quite a bit of press, have a new album out and their steve albini produced 45 has been featured on peel (and is my fave 45 of the yr thus), so one would reasonably expect the headline act (the liars) to be more of a name. has *anyone* heard of them??? i can't think of any reason why wire would want to do a secret gig under another name either, unless they just want a bit of a post ATP shindig... still i don't know why i'm fretting about it - i can't go. but if i lived in the london area i know where i'd be going that night. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:01:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Liars Keith, Sadly Mr Newman is not offering cryptic clues to a secret hootenanny. THe Liars exist and are the noo sound of noo yawk apparently. Mark (secretly disappointed!) http://www.mute.com/mute/bffp/liars/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:39:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] printed matter Hmmm, I haven't found anything worthwhile reading either: Here's another shallow effort from today's (online) Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=%2Farts%2F2002%2F04%2F25%2Fbmdc25.xml Steve B --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > apologies for being quiet but my home computer has worms and there > has been such a volume of mails coming in that it has been all i > could manage at work to read em all , let alone make any pithy yet > intelligent responses. i mean , you'd all hate british industry to > come to a standstill on account of such idle banter (ho ho) > > anyway , suffice to say it was very nice to see all those ideal > copiers having it large at the rave friendly bristol gig. great to > see you all again. > > the guardian printed a bizarre review of ATP yesterday. quoted > albini's programme notes about wire , but nothing about their > performance. also mentioned that the deal sisters spent a lot of time > in the bar , but nothing on their performance either. i suspect the > journalist spent much more time in the bar than the auditorium , but > maybe i am cynical. > > my mission to read something worthy looks like being thwarted for > another month with these Q/NME punk rock specials. much as i am > opposed to nostalgia , these look quite fun. unlike Q in general , > which i gave up on last autumn after maybe 10 years. uncut and mojo > are both miles better , i know they cover some crap but there is good > stuff and its worth reading. > > be interesting to see what NME made of ATP. i bought it a couple of > weeks back (free cd.......) and it was the usual pile of crap. we > shall see........p Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:23:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] set list from bristol "Comin' straight outta Noo Yawk, new Blast First signings The Liars blend tough punk and dance rhythms", according to Time Out, as opposed to "angular Brit-punk icons". --- Alistair Tear wrote: > >>if anyone knows of a band called the liars then so be it, > but it's just a thought cos i haven't heard of them myself. > keith > > > You've heard of the yeah, yeah, yeah's ??? > > > A > > ************************************************************************* > > The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential > and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are > addressed. 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Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl > yes, all the RT singles are collated on the Living Legends CD. A must-have > (despite the crap title)... > Mark > >> My memory is more than distant on this subject, but Keith was right - >> it was a Rough Trade 7"! Haven't played nor seen it in a long time. >> Is it availlable on cd? >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:22:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Juxtaposition online at www.kdhx.org In a message dated 4/24/02 3:44:08 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << btw who are mooney suzuki? i presume they're called that in tribute to can (as opposed to some butt-naked mnotorcyclist) - do they sound can influenced or not. keith >> i'm not sure....i'll ask my friend Rob...he likes them a lot... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:30:02 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Juxtaposition online at www.kdhx.org remarkably enough (given the zine's uber-punk status), their electric sweat album is reviewed in the new maximum rocknroll -- "ten tracks that bring to mind rob tyner's mc5 testifyin' and fred smith's guitar scrunching. loud, proud and fun stuff." dan >In a message dated 4/24/02 3:44:08 PM Central Daylight Time, >keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > ><< btw who are mooney suzuki? i presume they're called that in tribute to can > (as opposed to some butt-naked mnotorcyclist) - do they sound can influenced > or not. > > keith > >> > >i'm not sure....i'll ask my friend Rob...he likes them a lot... > >Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:51:07 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] OT: Play for Today I went to see Shockheaded Peter (singular) on Tuesday night. Very enjoyable - a 'dirty opera', mostly based around jokey stories of children dying (in an Edward Gorey sort of way, if anyone knows him, but based on a much older German text, Struwwelpter). David Thomas & Two Pale Boys come on stage regularly to sing the stories and very effective they are too - it's almost a custom built piece for them, although originally written for Martin Jacques. I love Thomas live and though he couldn't improvise much this time his personality still came across and the Two Pale Boys are very skilled. Unfortunately we were sat in the back row so the lyrics were sometimes indistinct. Bizarrely we were surrounded by about 30 teenage schoolgirls, who really seemed to enjoy it. The unattached members of my party are now hoping this enthusiasm will rub off on the next Pere Ubu tour. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] OT: Play for Today > << read recently that david thomas is appearing in a play in the uk (london > i > > think) in an acting capacity. 'shockheaded peters' i think it was. >> > > > > As opposed to the post-Lemon Kittens Karl Blake combo of the same name.... > > Mark > > yeah. actually i can't remember if the play is a singular peter or plural > ones. > what was that pretty popular single SHP had in about 1984 (might have been > their first)... > keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Try these,(O.T) for bargain dvd's (U.S only) go to www.deepdiscountdvd.com (but don't be fooled by the 'National Geographic' version.) for mucho radio broadcasts check out www.shoutcast.com Enjoy.Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:35:09 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] set list from bristol Alistair > You've heard of the yeah, yeah, yeah's ??? yeah...!!!! i have anyway... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:32:13 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] printed matter...more... > >be interesting to see what NME made of ATP. oh yes... today's Guardian G2 section has a piece on Cumbrian 'weirdo's' (yeah...) British Sea Power. not heard any of their stuff yet, but the piece does mention our very own Wire and Joy Division in passing. don't know if thats enough to make me buy something unheard, but i'll listen out for them in future i suppose... my 11 yr old son now buys Kerrang on a regular basis, so there's no escape from the murky world of print for me, no matter how hard i try...actually there's a lot of it thats quite readable and the current issue has a free CD (with tracks chosen by the Hives), that includes Radio Birdman, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, The Dirtbombs, The Saints, Dead Kennedys, amongst others... just played... Slint - Spiderland Bitch Magnet - Star Booty whoo-hoo...!!!!!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:39:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] a Factory poll.... with all the press that Factory Records has been getting because of the 24 Hour Party People film, i have been curious...what are the Ideal Copyists top ten Factory albums in order...and what are your top five Factory bands in order.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:27:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! CALLING LISTERS IN UK ETC.... Just got in so don't know whether anyone has already posted this. Peel said at start of show - half hr from low from ATP and also bits of smog and wire from same event. GET YOUR RADIO ON NOW!!! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:37:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! Low on at the moment - live version of the gorgeous 'sunflower' (which i know ian loves as much as i do) on as we speak. Lovely... Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:27 PM Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! > CALLING LISTERS IN UK ETC.... > Just got in so don't know whether anyone has already posted this. Peel said at > start of show - half hr from low from ATP and also bits of smog and wire from > same event. > GET YOUR RADIO ON NOW!!! > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:48:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Liars > Keith, > > Sadly Mr Newman is not offering cryptic clues to a secret hootenanny. THe > Liars exist and are the noo sound of noo yawk apparently. > > Mark (secretly disappointed!) oh well! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:54:28 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Liars > Liars exist and are the noo sound of noo yawk apparently. > > Mark (secretly disappointed!) I like the name of the forthcoming album... 'They Threw Us All In A Trench And Stuck A Monument On Top'. and the nme desc.... "The best krunk-art noise apes in knitwear you'll witness all century." Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure/confession time! OK, gotta fess up... A friend bought me a ticket to see The Fixx in Palo Alto last night and I have to say they were quite good! The did 4 or so brand new songs (one of which was really rocking!!) They hung around for a 'meet and greet' afterwards and were really cool. The warmup act was an LA group called 'Jones'. I would recommend avoiding them! Hasta ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:58:11 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] mooney suzuki from another list -- another comparison, based on a recent live show -- "pretty dynamic, coming off like Dr Feelgood plays the MC5" dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:34:17 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 10:37:05PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > Low on at the moment - live version of the gorgeous 'sunflower' (which i > know ian loves as much as i do) on as we speak. Cheers, Keith! Just got in from seeing "24 Hour Party People" (I like), so I hope I haven't missed them... Andrew - -- "I'm not here; this isn't happening." - Radiohead, "How to Disappear Completely" ('Kid A') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:41:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd > Crispies are often (wrongly) labelled Joy Div copyists. Philosophically they > were much closer to Wire, not least for the way they discarded material and > almost invariably played sets of 80% new material.... > > Mark (unofficial PR to all things Fac!!) found old nme review of 'plateau phase' and 'fin' by Jim Wirth 8/1/00. basically said (i.e. not the entire review)... MMM YOU'VE GOT TO LOVE THAT MARTIN HANNETT SNARE SOUND. DISMISSED IN THEIR LATE 70'S/EARLY 80'S AS SHALLOW JOY DIVISION COPYISTS...THESE TWO CD'S WRAP UP THEIR ENTIRE CAREER, THE FIRST COMPRISING THEIR 1ST THREE FACTORY RELEASES - 'PLATEAU PHASE', 'LIVE ON A HOT AUGUST NIGHT' AND 'SEXUS', AND THE SECOND TOUTING THEIR CREDENTIALS AS A LIVE ACT. GRIM, GREY AND A BIT THROWAWAY BUT NONETHELESS A (6/10) TWICE FOR HAVING TRIED SO HARD. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:40:03 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:34:17PM +0100, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > Cheers, Keith! > > Just got in from seeing "24 Hour Party People" (I like), so I hope I > haven't missed them... Lowdown. Oh yes. And it sounds great. Andrew. - -- "You think I'm dead, but I sail away ..." - the Pixies, "Wave of Mutilation" ('Doolittle') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:43:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure/confession time! In a message dated 4/25/02 5:03:47 PM Central Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > OK, gotta fess up... > > A friend bought me a ticket to see The Fixx in Palo > Alto last night and I have to say they were quite > good! The did 4 or so brand new songs (one of which > was really rocking!!) > > They hung around for a 'meet and greet' afterwards and > were really cool. > nothin' wrong with the Fixx..i've always kinda liked them....they will be here in St. Louis soon, maybe i'll check them out...I love the Reach the Beach album....Shuttered Room is great too... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:45:28 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! In a message dated 4/25/02 4:22:01 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > CALLING LISTERS IN UK ETC.... > Just got in so don't know whether anyone has already posted this. Peel said > at > start of show - half hr from low from ATP and also bits of smog and wire > from > same event. > GET YOUR RADIO ON NOW!!! > Keith > Keith my man..you gotta tape this!!! maybe we can burn it onto cd! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:07:13 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! > Lowdown. Oh yes. And it sounds great. > Andrew. > the ATP stuff on Peel went something like this... Low - half hour or so of set. I only know one album by them but I'm gonna have to investigate further. Beautiful. Bit later one, Peel then played a few other things from ATP, starting with Wire and a song called 'Ten Years After'. (Peel flippantly said something like 'Wish it was Ten Years After and a song called 'Wire'. It was loud and thrashy, but on one listen a bit throwaway... The sequence ended with 'Lowdown'. It was a pretty urgent sounding version that altho undoubtedly 'lowdown' was quite different. And as Andrew said, it sounded great. Peel seemed to enjoy it too - said it was good to hear it again and that he might play the original next Tues. In between these tracks there were Smog amongst others - doing a cover of Bill Withers 'Lean On Me' - and making it sound like a Smog song. Another act I'm gonna have to investigate further (really like 'Rain On Lens' and 'Puke Tree'). During the show Peel also played a track from the forthcoming Fall live album (called something like 2G by 2G and due out in June). Got the impression it was new-ish, but it sounded really punky and thrashy so I may be mistaken on that. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:08:50 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! >> Lowdown. Oh yes. And it sounds great. >> Andrew. >> >the ATP stuff on Peel went something like this... > Did anyone tape this? I could post and/or create MP3s or streaming RealAudio for the benefit of the IdealCopy listmembers only. (Don't want to flagrantly violate copyright, ya' know.) Those of us in America would love to hear this stuff. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:30:19 +0100 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! Thanks, Keith! In message <013101c1eca1$598a2500$d236fea9@keithastbury>, Keith Astbury writes >Low on at the moment - live version of the gorgeous 'sunflower' (which i >know ian loves as much as i do) on as we speak. Tad too folksy for me. But the gardener's song - sublime. And then the instrumental which sounded like a bunch of guinea pigs snoring under water (was it Stylus?) - delish! Couldn't listen properly sometimes, for my beloved on the machine next to mine keeps talking, or worse: singing along (he's one of these sad people who knew the 'Fearless' bit in the Low set). Got an undisturbed earful of da lads, though. Fierce, indeed! Sound was different on Lowdown, though. Were both songs from the same set? On the subject of coincidences: Ian mentioned Kurt Vonnegut. For no good reason at all Wire's 'So and slow...' in my mind is firmly associated with 'So it goes', the motto that pops up in Slaughterhouse Five every time someone dies, i.e. all the time. So much for 'how far can you fetch';) Nik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:50:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! > Got an undisturbed earful of da lads, though. Fierce, indeed! > Sound was different on Lowdown, though. Were both songs from the same > set? both from last weekends ATP apparently keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:28:36 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] OT: Play for Today >Paul Pietromonaco wrote after Robert wrote: > >n.p.: Amorphous Androgynous - "Tales of Ephidrina" (man, Future Sound >of > >London were top notch...a shame about one the member's illness) > > >Okay - I'll bite. What happened to Future Sounds Of London? I must >have missed it. They didn't do much for year because one of the band members was really ill. It turned it he had mercury poisoning caused by fillings in his teeth. He's on the mend now, and FSOL did an Mini LP called 'Papua New Guinea Versions' last year which was meant to redress the fact that they had made short LPs out of all of their last few singles, so decided to do the same, posthumously for PNG. Its pretty good actually...they use a lot more live playing but still sampled. A new LP is in the offing I believe. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:07:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mooney suzuki << from another list -- another comparison, based on a recent live show -- "pretty dynamic, coming off like Dr Feelgood plays the MC5" >> So not much like Can then.... Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:14:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd << found old nme review of 'plateau phase' and 'fin' by Jim Wirth 8/1/00. >> Age 12. Dontcha just love modern NME reviews. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:23:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a Factory poll.... << with all the press that Factory Records has been getting because of the 24 Hour Party People film, i have been curious...what are the Ideal Copyists top ten Factory albums in order...and what are your top five Factory bands in order.... >> off the top of my head.... Unknown Pleasures Closer The Plateau Phase Graveyard & the ballroom Always Now Sextet Power Corruption & Lies LC Brotherhood Movement Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:15:07 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a Factory poll.... ...what are the Ideal Copyists >top > ten Factory albums in order...and what are your top five Factory bands in > order.... >> albums -- unknown pleasures always now swimming (if we're including factory benelux ... oh, let's) closer still harmony alma mater (having resolutely paid no attention to the monsters -- perhaps i was put off by the name? -- until the catalogue descriptions for the new ltm releases piqued my curiosity, i'm very nearly astonished at how much i like this ... though the singles comp is even better) plateau phase (though for me the not what i expected 10" -- &, to a lesser extent, live on a hot august night 12" -- cut the lp dead) power corruption & lies here comes everybody bands -- jd crispy ambulance names wake stockholm monsters (unless the 2 above-referenced discs wear off on me awfully quickly ...) can a band that recorded 1 single for the label (& pretty much nothing else for anyone else, if i'm remembering the cd booklet correctly) be properly considered a "factory band"? if so, tunnelvision would've made 5th if not for the monsters' very late entry ... too, i need to give later (i.e. post-always now) section 25 more considered listening before i can truly ascertain where they fit. & having no exposure to graveyard & the ballroom undoubtedly has handicapped me regarding acr, though i am very fond of the all night party 7". dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:59:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a Factory poll.... In a message dated 4/25/02 4:40:41 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >with all the press that Factory Records has been getting because of the >24 >Hour Party People film, i have been curious...what are the Ideal Copyists >top >ten Factory albums in order...and what are your top five Factory bands >in >order.... wow, and i thought ranking wire albums was tough...i'm gonna just list the first 10 & 5 that spring to mind. so, here goes: joy division-unknown pleasures, closer new order-power, corruption & lies section 25-always now crispy ambulance-plateau phase (especially the cd which gives you the live on a hot august night 12"!) a certain ratio-to each happy mondays-bummed (though i prefer the oasis 12" and some of the early tracks from squirrel vs g-man...) durutti column-return of..., vini reilly, obey the time the wake-harmony stockholm monsters-alma mater (but their singles are much better than the album) sorry, i gave 10 bands instead of albums, and yer nuts if ya think i could rank 10 of the 12 albums :o) 5 bands. oh man, this is where you start thinkin "do i include james or cabaret voltaire? sex pistols? abecedarians?"...so i'm gonna do this- i can't break up the 10 listed above. if you forced me i could cut the mondays and possibly section 25 (who are a long time favorite of mine but whose [lack of] activity of late has left a bad taste in my mouth. so i'm gonna give you a list of 5 bands that weren't longterm factory artists, but had great records on factory: abecedarians-smiling monarchs (check out their non-factory work!) biting tongues-troublehand the names-nightshift single on factory, swimming lp on factory benelux royal family and the poor (they had more than a couple of fac releases, but)-art on 45 (the b-sides are fantastic) cabaret voltaire-yashar was a dancefloor hit, but we've already spoken of their other work too :o) i know i'm gonna hit myself in five seconds, after i press the send button and realize what i left out :o\ - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:08:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] set list from bristol >> You've heard of the yeah, yeah, yeah's ??? Google: http://160.79.69.91/nick/ Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 04:20:24 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE ON PEEL ANY TIME NOW! bollocks , this is when i wish i'd been online. so what did he play? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #129 *******************************