From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #125 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] pic [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] Colin doesn't Agfer [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] pic ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Fingers [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] pic......IAN PENMAN WHERE ARE YOU? ["David Heale" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Bristol [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Bristol [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Colin doesn't Agfer [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] pic......IAN PENMAN WHERE ARE YOU? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert Grey ["Antony Jordan" ] RE: RE: [idealcopy] fave wire track? ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) ["Keith Astbury" <] Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) ["Keith Astbury" <] Re: [idealcopy] passions (was:names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) ["da] [idealcopy] Sheep'sTop 100 albums, 70s ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] pic excellent pics Mark - thanks! I couldn't make the Bristol show owing to a family commitment. Any bush telegraph intelligence, anyone, on other shows this year? Favourite Wire track: Map Ref., closely followed by Kidney Bingos. Least favourite: Crazy about love. Amen to comments about the NME, which I read all through the 80s. Defintely true about it seeming like a window on to an adult world, as far as I was concerned. The likes of Paul Morley, Ian Penman, Du Noyer, Shaar Murray etc. may have headed off into pseud territory occasionally but at least they treated music as something to be discussed intelligently. I think they used to review novels and stuff as well? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Colin doesn't Agfer >>> Listening to Agfers on R&B01 again today I picked up on the section that Colin sings. It's a different type of Colin vocal, reminds of Dome vocals somehow. I love it.<<< Probably Dome-like due to the fact that Graham sings the *entire* vocal on that R&B track... (Don't worry, I didn't realise that at first either...) C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:15:28 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pic > Amen to comments about the NME, which I read all through the 80s. > Defintely true about it seeming like a window on to an adult world, as > far as I was concerned. The likes of Paul Morley, Ian Penman, Du Noyer, > Shaar Murray etc. may have headed off into pseud territory occasionally > but at least they treated music as something to be discussed > intelligently. > Howard everyone in the early 80's used to go on about morley (and dave mccullough in sounds), but i always thought paul du noyer was a really under-rated writer myself (with exceedingly good taste too). anyone remember that morley duran duran piece though when he referred to them by a different name every time he mentioned them - duran glam etc? pretty funny. keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:35:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Fingers Personally I don't mind paying a small premium to support posteverything (MD C Newman esq) rather than some faceless and notoriously inefficient American conglomerate. Mark << > I see Amazon are carrying R+B (on pre-order) for #6.99, which seems a more > reasonable price. > > I wonder if the posteverything price will fall into line when it's > officially released. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:02:06 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pic......IAN PENMAN WHERE ARE YOU? ALL this talk on 80's -nme and all that......NME was pretty crucial around1976-81-ish......from punk to industrail to manchester over-coat brigade.. it kept a chap living out in the suburbs informed...... and was a bloody godsend some weeks .. in fighting off small town ennui !!!! CRIKEY; TO READ THE ALMOST WEEKLY Ian Penman article you needed a comprehensive dictionary by your side... just to get through the opening paragraph.. Boy did we all use to slagg him off!!!.... but now alas you could hardly find such thought provoking /challenging attempts at pinning down this illusive thing called rock n roll!..... ahem? or something like that. SPANNER IN THE WORKS NO:2 discuss in no shorter than 50 words: "Do you remember the day's when the punks called WIRE art school wankers" cheers david - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "Howard Spencer" ; ; Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pic > > Amen to comments about the NME, which I read all through the 80s. > > Defintely true about it seeming like a window on to an adult world, as > > far as I was concerned. The likes of Paul Morley, Ian Penman, Du Noyer, > > Shaar Murray etc. may have headed off into pseud territory occasionally > > but at least they treated music as something to be discussed > > intelligently. > > Howard > > everyone in the early 80's used to go on about morley (and dave mccullough > in sounds), but i always thought paul du noyer was a really under-rated > writer myself (with exceedingly good taste too). anyone remember that morley > duran duran piece though when he referred to them by a different name every > time he mentioned them - duran glam etc? pretty funny. > keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:18:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: biting tongues OT I suspect you know more than two! I have the first 2 albums (Don't heal and Libreville) Mark << >>Whoa! You are only the second person i have ever met who owns a record >>(or >>even knows of) by Biting Tongues!.. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:44:37 +0100 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Bristol/Photos Nice Photos (at http://www.tingy.co.uk/dotdash/ ), Mark. Apart from 'more please', my only comment would be that I hope you got some of Lewis - he was pulling some ridiculous faces while he was onstage. And yes, I'd like to see the 'Agfers' lyrics. Being under the impression that the doors opened at 8.00, I arrived with a couple of mates around then - no sign of anyone taking tickets on the door, so we just marched in to find we were in the soundcheck. We sat down and tried to look like we were supposed to be there, and nobody asked us who we were. It felt pretty strange though, sitting in an empty hall watching a favourite band playing; the stuff of dreams. One friend got talking to a young fellow who turned out to be Colin Newman's son. This in turn led to the only payoff of the FT strategy - at some point the son introduced Colin to us, resulting in the following dialogue: Colin: 'ere, is that a rolled up copy of the Financial Times in your pocket? Me: Er yes, I'm afraid it is. Colin: Oh. Unfortunately the old FT ploy didn't result in meeting any List members, but let's hope it inspires a song! By the time the doors had opened I was in the midst of a babbling gaggle, a scrabbling rabble, and the only identifying mark which would really have stood out would have been a Dome-style tubular headpiece. Next time, perhaps. Garry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:46:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Bristol << Did anyone get the set list? Please post it to list. I managed to get Grahams lyrics for Agfers. Is it worth scanning and posting? Let me know. >> Definitely. Somewhere I've got the lyrics for He knows and Ally in Exile from Edinburgh... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:44:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Bristol Erm, ring the mobile phone number I posted to the list! Mark << Sadly I couldn't locate any List members. (How do you do that, just walk up and ask people at random?). Oh well maybe next time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:54:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin doesn't Agfer << Probably Dome-like due to the fact that Graham sings the *entire* vocal on that R&B track... (Don't worry, I didn't realise that at first either...) >> Graham sang the entire vocal live - but that's Colin singing the chorus on the CD... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:00:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content << So has Wire abandoned "Art of Persistence" and "He Knows"? Too bad. >> Yes. Art of persistence grew oiut of an attempt to recreate Ally in Exile and was abandoned after RFH. Ally... returned (old words, new music) at Edinburgh in 12/00. With the adition of new words, this has mutated into I don't understand on R&B1. He knows... would make a nice change of pace in the current set, though I guess that's not in the plan. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:32:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pic......IAN PENMAN WHERE ARE YOU? > discuss in no shorter than 50 words: > "Do you remember the day's when the punks called WIRE art school wankers" > cheers david while we're talking about 'punk', some of the 'older readers' may be interested to know of a couple of publications due any time. just as they did with recent beatles editions both nme and Q are simultaneously issuing punk specials. the nme one should be interesting because as part of the nme originals series it will include original interviews etc, whilst the Q one ('never mind the jubillee') apparently has a punk top 100 albums. think we'll find that the term 'punk' will have a wide interpretation here... Keith n.p. tarwater - animals suns & atoms ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:46:43 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: maybe... > > it just occured to me that the phrase 'Read & Burn' may refer to the > process > > of copying CD's... > > > > the 'art of copying'...? > >It's a very good theory. > chris michael gets cynical: anyone think that after all 5 read&burns come out they will compile them all on cd (15 minutes times 5 = 75 minutes, it fits) and then tack on "he knows" as a incentive? not to be cynical....but it could be considered "the comeback album" and get them more press then some low key limited edition EPs. also, wire have always been prolific when they are together, so i guess we can expect an album a year until they break up again in 2006? and sort of fitting isn't it, that people are making compilations of pf1-4....they've read (ie: listened to) them and burned them onto 1 cd... ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:52:58 +0100 From: "Antony Jordan" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IAITB I've just received an e-mail off PostEverything saying that IAITB is now completely sold out (my own fault for not ordering earlier) but apparently the Wire tracks off it will be reissued at a later date. At least they can send me R&B now. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:59:18 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ot - graham coxon / france >> np graham coxon - crow sit on the blood tree neil: Haven't heard that one, but I do have (and love) The Golden D. I'd be stunned if Coxon wasn't a Bruce Gilbert fan, both having an attraction to making as much white noise from their guitar as possible. Easily the only interesting part of Blur for me. - --------------------- coxon is very into the white noise as he is into the acoustic syd barrett-ish stuff... i think the sound collage "satan i gatan" from golden D is great..."crow sit" isnt as punky/noise-ish, but it has a little more in the "songwriting" department, despite it being recorded in a couple of weeks. i am almost sure that read and burn will arrive today... going to see super furry animals tonight...i hear they will play almost all the songs from "'rings around the world", but i would prefer more "guerilla" stuff ~michael today's listening so far : six by seven - the closer you get (intense) to roccoco rot & i-sound - music is a hungry ghost (chin stroking fun) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Seth Sokol Subject: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks Hello all, I have a question for all you Wire-philes out there and I am hoping someone can answer it. I saw Wire play in the USA back in the mid-80's and Graham Lewis was playing a particularly intriguing Bass that I believe was called 'The Rail'. Does anyone know anything about this instrument and where I might acquire one? Namaste, Mondo Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:43:30 +0100 From: "Antony Jordan" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Grey Robert Grey???? Could someone please explain? Tony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:43:19 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic It is funny. There are pop bands out there that I do like but because you hear them everywhere you go, it does you just fine not to own anything by them. Garbage is one and the other guilty pleasure is No Doubt (I am going to catch it for that one) It is also why I don't own any Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or Neil Young (each one of whom I like from time to time). Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of RLynn9@aol.com Sent: April 20, 2002 11:30 PM To: Eardrumbuz@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic In a message dated 4/19/02 11:29:22 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > listening to commercial radio in the car today, i came to the conclusion > that > i really like garbage (the band). i probably won't buy anything unless i > find > it really cheap, as there's just so many things on my "to buy" list right > now...a certain 6 song import included. > anyway, has anyone else noticed the wire-isms in garbage? i think if wire > had > gone really really really poppy, they might sound quite a lot like garbage, > > particularly in the guitar and drums and electronic sounds. the bass > doesn't > quite sound like graham on anything i've heard (that i can remember), but i > > do hear quite a lot texturally in the other sounds. of course colin would > also need to grow his hair out and dye it auburn, get breast implants, > and...well, does anyone else hear anything or am i just hearing things? > either way, garbage is an official guilty pleasure for me now. > > -another the paul > > Just the other day i saw a pretty cool VH1 documentary on Garbage....you should keep an eye out for it.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:49:09 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ALBUM TITLES And how long did that take? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: April 21, 2002 4:03 PM To: Keith Astbury; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ALBUM TITLES > incidentally, anyone else out there reckon the title 'pink flag' came from the > words 'punk' and 'flog'. > keith and did you know that before he died, sonny bono, attempting to deal with the break up from his wife, released an album full of wire songs entitled "cher's missing"??? (no groaning at the back...) keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:50:52 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: RE: [idealcopy] fave wire track? Thanks for the complement paul. I hear that so rarely :-) Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com [mailto:Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Sent: April 19, 2002 4:08 PM To: eklaver@elysium-sl.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: RE: [idealcopy] fave wire track? In a message dated 4/19/02 11:49:21 AM, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: >believe it our not this is easy for me: > > > >The 15th. didn't i ditto something else you listed once eric? for someone with good taste, you've got good taste :o) easy choice for me too. choosing one is easier than choosing 3 or 5. - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:00:08 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Colin doesn't Agfer Craig informs us:- >> Probably Dome-like due to the fact that Graham sings >> the *entire* vocal on that R&B track... (Don't worry, >> I didn't realise that at first either...) So that's why I didn't recognise it on Friday. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:11:13 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic In a message dated 4/22/02 1:43:58 PM Central Daylight Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << It is funny. There are pop bands out there that I do like but because you hear them everywhere you go, it does you just fine not to own anything by them. Garbage is one and the other guilty pleasure is No Doubt (I am going to catch it for that one) It is also why I don't own any Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or Neil Young (each one of whom I like from time to time). Eric in Toronto >> It's funny how things differ from place to place....I NEVER hear Garbage anywhere...they are playing right down the street from my house very soon, think i'll check it out...no comment about No Doubt..to each his own i suppose ..HOWEVER, i am sick and tired of seeing Gwen Stefani's ugly mug plastered everywhere...trailer park trash in disguise if you ask me....there only one person who i am more tired of and that would J'Lo..she sickens me.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:15:49 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: ot - graham coxon / france In a message dated 4/22/02 11:59:46 AM Central Daylight Time, Rain19c@aol.com writes: << today's listening so far : six by seven - the closer you get (intense) to roccoco rot & i-sound - music is a hungry ghost (chin stroking fun) >> I was just listening to Kolner Brett by To Rococo this morning...I can't decide if i like Music is A Hungry Ghost or Amateur View best....i must say that i prefer Tarwater a little bit more than To Rococo..... np- Lowfish "Fear Not The Snow and Other Lo-Fiing Objects" up next: Baby Ford "Headphoneasy Rider" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:18:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pic......IAN PENMAN WHERE ARE YOU? In a message dated 4/22/02 11:28:38 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << n.p. tarwater - animals suns & atoms >> more strange coincidences!...i just mentioned Tarwater before i even read this post.....Tarwater is really good...I like this cd and Silur a lot... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 05:04:18 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic veering off on a tangent (though at least the band in question also has female vox), i just learned by chance that linoleum's race from a burning building has been out in the uk for nearly 2 years now -- & here i'd long since given them up for dead. nobody ever tells me anything ... their debut, dissent, is one of my favorite albums from the '90s. now i've got to try to think of some other titles to order from cdnow -- the only online vendor i'm familiar with that seems to carry it -- to try to offset the exorbitant shipping charges somewhat. *sigh* dan, who liked i'm just a girl the first dozen or so times he heard it but has no use for anything else in the no doubt catalogue >In a message dated 4/22/02 1:43:58 PM Central Daylight Time, >eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > ><< It is funny. There are pop bands out there that I do like but because you > hear them everywhere you go, it does you just fine not to own anything by > them. Garbage is one and the other guilty pleasure is No Doubt (I am going > to catch it for that one) It is also why I don't own any Led Zeppelin, Pink > Floyd, or Neil Young (each one of whom I like from time to time). > > Eric in Toronto >> > > >It's funny how things differ from place to place....I NEVER hear Garbage >anywhere...they are playing right down the street from my house very soon, >think i'll check it out...no comment about No Doubt..to each his own i >suppose ..HOWEVER, i am sick and tired of seeing Gwen Stefani's ugly mug >plastered everywhere...trailer park trash in disguise if you ask me....there >only one person who i am more tired of and that would J'Lo..she sickens me.... > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:29:35 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic In a message dated 4/22/02 2:23:02 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << dan, who liked i'm just a girl the first dozen or so times he heard it but has no use for anything else in the no doubt catalogue >> i agree...that is the only song that ever caught my ear....but then my ear quickly turned away... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 05:12:48 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) & hopping onto another tangent (well, both cd's include covers of i'm in love with a german film star -- was that song some sort of cultural touchstone for an entire generation or something?), anyone out there have any need for the names' fine spectators of life cd on ltm? with my music collection in even more complete disarray than usual these days, i went with gut instinct & ordered it from darlashop a few days ago on the assumption that i didn't already own it -- a complete misapprehension, i discovered last night. *sigh* dan >veering off on a tangent (though at least the band in question also has >female vox), i just learned by chance that linoleum's race from a burning >building has been out in the uk for nearly 2 years now -- & here i'd long >since given them up for dead. nobody ever tells me anything ... their debut, >dissent, is one of my favorite albums from the '90s. > >now i've got to try to think of some other titles to order from cdnow -- the >only online vendor i'm familiar with that seems to carry it -- to try to >offset the exorbitant shipping charges somewhat. *sigh* > >dan, who liked i'm just a girl the first dozen or so times he heard it but >has no use for anything else in the no doubt catalogue > > > >>In a message dated 4/22/02 1:43:58 PM Central Daylight Time, >>eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: >> >><< It is funny. There are pop bands out there that I do like but because >you >> hear them everywhere you go, it does you just fine not to own anything by >> them. Garbage is one and the other guilty pleasure is No Doubt (I am going >> to catch it for that one) It is also why I don't own any Led Zeppelin, >Pink >> Floyd, or Neil Young (each one of whom I like from time to time). >> >> Eric in Toronto >> >> >> >>It's funny how things differ from place to place....I NEVER hear Garbage >>anywhere...they are playing right down the street from my house very soon, >>think i'll check it out...no comment about No Doubt..to each his own i >>suppose ..HOWEVER, i am sick and tired of seeing Gwen Stefani's ugly mug >>plastered everywhere...trailer park trash in disguise if you ask >me....there >>only one person who i am more tired of and that would J'Lo..she sickens >me.... >> >>RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:12:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ALBUM TITLES > And how long did that take? oh about 2 seconds thanks for asking... > and did you know that before he died, sonny bono, attempting to deal with > the break up from his wife, released an album full of wire songs entitled > "cher's missing"??? > > (no groaning at the back...) > > keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:05:41 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks Hi, >>I saw Wire play in the USA back in the mid-80's and Graham Lewis was playing a particularly intriguing Bass that I believe was called 'The Rail'. Does anyone know anything about this instrument and where I might acquire one?<< They were made by Westone and based on the Steinberger headless bass design, though a lot cheaper. You can slide the pickup up and down the rails to get different sounds. Graham also used (and still does, though it sat unused as a back-up last Friday) a Hohner headless bass which is also a Steinberger copy, but without the rail arrangement. I believe he had the Westone nicked at one point.... This should illustrate it better than my description... http://www.neverwhere.org/~steve/music/railbass.html As for acquring one, try ebay or try and find a bass guitar user group into Westone, Steinberger or Hohner. The Hohners are still made and are fairly cheap - $300-400 or so new. Don't know about the Westones but they weren't particularly high-end (whereas the Steinbergers were very expensive - $1500 or more). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:52:50 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks In a message dated 22/04/2002 21:11:24 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Graham also used (and still does, though it sat unused as a back-up last > Friday) a Hohner headless bass which is also a Steinberger copy, but > without > the rail arrangement. > Graham is one mean bass player. It's a shame I couldn't get to Bristol last week.Work commitments & all that.I was there the week before.Still a 450 mile round trip is nothing compared to what some of us have gone through.I also have not yet ordere R & B.I'm logging on to Post everything right after this. I recently also bought a copy of the Come Back In Two Halves LP from E-bay as well as the Exploded Views book with the CD.Haven't played that yet. The album cover on CBITH states it is only one of 400.Is that true ? It sure looks & feels like an old bootleg & the sound is of that quality,maybe slightly better. I've leafed through the book & it makes you laugh with some of the spelling & translation from the Italian.I know though that it probably works as funny the other way as well but;From the first line. "Colin Newman & Bruce Gilbert meet at the Wartford Art School" Sounds like a classy place ! Playing tonight ; Nirvana - From The Muddy Banks Of The Wishkah Boards Of Canada - Geogaddi Scritti Politti - Anomie & Bonhomie NP Fungus - Rebel Chris PS What would you guess at the crowd size at Bristol ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:57:23 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks In a message dated 4/22/02 3:53:54 PM Central Daylight Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: << Scritti Politti - Anomie & Bonhomie >> I have to ask Chris...What does this sound like?...I am so curious! I assumed it would be crap....Also, has there EVER been a compilation of early Scritti Politti stuff?...i'd really like to find out because if there is i have to have it.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:04:26 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks Hi Robert it sounds pretty good though not as immediate as the previous two albums.I don't believe they've had a compilation of early stuff yet but our learned friends out there would probably know better.Tinseltown To The Boogiedown /Mystic Handyman & Here Come July are vintage SP on this album.I can't explain why I've got a soft spot for them. NP Klaus Schultze - Dig It Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:07:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks In a message dated 4/22/02 4:04:26 PM Central Daylight Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: << NP Klaus Schultze - Dig It Chris >> Dig It is awesome!...since it was later in Schulze's career (early 80's wasn't it? or was it late 70's) it is often overlooked...a shame really...i happen to like Dune (which features vocals from Arthur Brown!) and Trancefer.....Have you ever heard of Bernard Szajner? he was kind of like Schulze...good stuff...i have an album he did with Howard Devoto on vocals..... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:19:04 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Grey On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 07:43:30PM +0100, Antony Jordan wrote: > Robert Grey???? Could someone please explain? Robert Gotobed sans old stage name. Andrew - -- "Dissect a trillion sighs away - well, you got this letter, Jagged pulse slicing my veins; I write to remember." - At the Drive-In, "One Armed Scissor" ('Relationship of Command') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:38:12 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert Grey At 10:19 PM 4/22/2002 +0100, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: >On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 07:43:30PM +0100, Antony Jordan wrote: >> Robert Grey???? Could someone please explain? > >Robert Gotobed sans old stage name. Sorry, but "Gotobed" was never really a stage name. Gotobed was Robert's father's last name, Grey his mother's, and Robert has elected to use "Grey" now. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:32:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) > & hopping onto another tangent (well, both cd's include covers of i'm in > love with a german film star -- was that song some sort of cultural > touchstone for an entire generation or something?) it was just one of those records that came from nowhere and sounded really good (and really distinctive) at the time. and then the passions, as quickly as they appeared, seemed to have gone... keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:36:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic > there only one person who i am more tired of and that would J'Lo..she sickens me.... > RL 'play' was a really good dance 45 though. (if you hate her and want a laugh at her expense, watch something where she attempts to dance. it might you feel better robert. boy is she terrible!) keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:39:07 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] tarwater > << n.p. tarwater - animals suns & atoms >> > > more strange coincidences!...i just mentioned Tarwater before i even read > this post.....Tarwater is really good...I like this cd and Silur a lot... > Robert Lynn haven't hear 'silur', but 'animals suns & atoms' is undoubtedly one of the best albums in recent yrs IMO. i keep going back to it and it sounds just as good every time. love it... keith p.s. anyone got the wylie/wire connection yet? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:44:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks i never bothered getting the previous scritt LP's (even though i 'couldn't wait' for the first one to come), but 'anhomie' is really good. and 'tinseltown' is GREAT! Keith > it sounds pretty good though not as immediate as the previous two albums.I > don't believe they've had a compilation of early stuff yet but our learned > friends out there would probably know better.Tinseltown To The Boogiedown > /Mystic Handyman & Here Come July are vintage SP on this album.I can't > explain why I've got a soft spot for them. > Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:13:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Opening Remarks << PS What would you guess at the crowd size at Bristol ? >> Between 300 and 400 at a guess Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:13:41 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) << it was just one of those records that came from nowhere and sounded really good (and really distinctive) at the time. and then the passions, as quickly as they appeared, seemed to have gone... >> They did manage two albums.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:11:29 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Bristol Great photos from Bristol, Mark. Yeah, scan those lyrics and put them up on your website for us all to have a look! So does anyone know how the first weekend of ATP went yet? Can't find any reviews or reports on the internet other than an NME article on ATP seems to suggest The Breeders stole the show, but mentions: "Other must-sees of the weekend were space/krautrockers High Dependency Unit, Godspeed You Black Emperor!, Low, Blonde Redhead, a decidedly rave-friendly set from classic new-wavers Wire, DJ sets from Shellac members and, oddest of all, former Pixies drummer David Lovering doing card tricks in the bar. " Rave friendly!? ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:28:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) > << it was just one of those records that came from nowhere and sounded really > good (and really distinctive) at the time. and then the passions, as quickly > as they appeared, seemed to have gone... >> > > They did manage two albums.... > Mark oh you know what i mean! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:55:11 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] passions (was:names (was: guilty pleasure? on topic) ><< it was just one of those records that came from nowhere and sounded really > good (and really distinctive) at the time. and then the passions, as quickly > as they appeared, seemed to have gone... >> > >They did manage two albums.... > >Mark or 3 (titles very approximate here) -- michael & miranda, 30 seconds over tokyo & sanctuary. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:16:27 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Sheep'sTop 100 albums, 70s don't know whether readers have already seen this. if not it might be of = interest, not least cos 154 is number 10. reflects a lot of my own faves = apart from the big star stuff (can't see the attraction myself). nice to = see the only ones and richard hell there, though and i like the short = review of 'marquee moon' - 'probably the only album with long wantky = solos that Sheep likes'. shame that they seem to think that bowie = invented glam and bolan copied it. go re-read your history books = chaps... keith http://www.sheep-zine.com/charts/top25/seventies.shtml [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Sheep's pop magazine, Charts, Top 100 albums, 70s.url] ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #125 *******************************