From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #124 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, April 22 2002 Volume 05 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] maybe... [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: biting tongues OT ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Bristol ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Bristol ["Andrew Lumbard" ] [idealcopy] music mags / Graham Coxon -- some Wire content (honest) [Neil] Re: [idealcopy] ALBUM TITLES ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] 50 Years of the NME..will they make 100? [Tim > > it just occured to me that the phrase 'Read & Burn' may refer to the > process > > of copying CD's... > > > > the 'art of copying'...? > It's a very good theory. chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 04:54:18 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content In a message dated 21/04/2002 04:27:00 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > just came across a band called A Popular History Of > > Signs and I was curious if someone could provide a > > little information on them? > > I found two songs: 'Justice Not Vengence' and > > 'Stigma'. > > They were quite good.>>>>>>> > > I'm playing them right now.I have 2 12 " singles.Don't know too much other info but here are the records I have. 1.Released on Jungle through Cherry Red.No year. Side a House Sink Or Swim Side b Ladderjack (Extended Dance Mix) Band; Peter Scammell -guitars & synthesizers Andrew Jarman - vocals & bass Paul Clarke - Percussion John Lucibello - Drums Christine Isherwood - Vocals Record 2 Released On Jungle Records in 1984. Side a Body & Soul Side b Lenin This one is cheekily described as a limited edition as the printers had printed the wrong colours on the cover ! Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:19:30 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: biting tongues OT dammit -- now i'll have to go digging through god knows how many unsorted records to figure out which biting tongues lp (or is it a 12"?) i own ... dan >In a message dated 4/20/02 11:29:33 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >>> -another the paul >>> >>> n.p. biting tongues-troublehand > >>Whoa! You are only the second person i have ever met who owns a record >>(or >>even knows of) by Biting Tongues!....Is Troublehand a single or an LP?...i >>have Love Out and another single that i can't remember the name of...Biting >>Tongues were and early incarnation of 808 State right? > >interestingly enough, i had just taken polar exposure by five or six off the >turntable and put on troublehand. in the back of my mind i must've known, but >had forgotten, both records are formatted the same way. the a-sides are one >song @45rpm and the b-sides are several songs @33rpm! weird wild stuff. >graham massey, of biting tongues, went on to form 808 state (who have a new >album on the way). > >-another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Bristol > I see Amazon are carrying R+B (on pre-order) > for #6.99, which seems a > more reasonable price. Postage on Amazon is higher, which means it costs #8.45. I guess the extra PE charges are down to its fairly global price for CDs, although when ordering via that route, you can at least be sure Wire's getting all the cash. Mind you, at least Wire's not just relying solely on PE to sell the CD. As for Wire at Bristol--if anyone wants to submit a review to Wireviews, I'll publish it once I get sorted in Iceland in May. However, to confirm, Wire did indeed play the entire contents of R&B01. Germ Ship in particular worked well live, and I still reckon Art of Stopping is a classic, even if they did make an endearing mess of it on the night. In fact, I enjoyed the night a lot, although reckon there are a couple too many 'boom ba boom ba' tracks that don't really do anything other than make a noise. The R&B tracks were definitely the standouts of what was played. > So has Wire abandoned "Art of Persistence" and "He Knows"? Yup. And now, back to packing. :) Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:06:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Bristol > As for Wire at Bristol--if anyone wants to submit a > review to Wireviews, I'll publish it once I get sorted > in Iceland in May. However, to confirm, Wire did > indeed play the entire contents of R&B01. what a lousy lot of correspondents we have! they didn't play this, don't think they did that....AND THEY DID!!! if you ask me, some of the readers who went to bristol probably over-did the beer and merriment instead of standing there with a pen and paper making notes for the rest of us. thoughtless bastards ; ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:10:59 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Uncut & Q: Two topics for the price of one another the Keith says:- >> Never liked Q myself, but Uncut has really come on and is now a >> 'must-buy', >> although there's probably only so many 20 page articles on The >> Police I can >> take. My sentiments too, although in my case insert Jimi Hendrix instead of The Police. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:19:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] ALBUM TITLES ok so the theory behind the title seems to be the art of copying and a new type of 'r&b', but despite all this, the title's a bit shite isn't it. i love the album, but the more i think of it, it's all a bit 'just enough education to perform'. and what's going on with the cover - when i buy a wire album i want a picture of a flag or a filing cabinet! (i suppose the yellow bulb lights on the inside will just have to do...) with regard to the title, i think they should have referred to their past and whether anyone had found their missing chair after all this time - then they could released something with the very wire-ish title of IUTBT (it's under the bloody table!) incidentally, anyone else out there reckon the title 'pink flag' came from the words 'punk' and 'flog'. must have too much time on my hands today... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:17:22 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Bristol Craig has confirmed >> However, to confirm, Wire did >> indeed play the entire contents of R&B01. Germ Ship in >> particular worked well live, I bow to your better judgement. AndyL ps Good Luck in Iceland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:20:32 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Bristol Well I was waiting for the 'Is Vic there?' intro. It's probably already been changed. Still I don't think my review will make the Wireviews site:-) AndyL >> what a lousy lot of correspondents we have! >> >> they didn't play this, don't think they did that....AND THEY DID!!! >> >> if you ask me, some of the readers who went to bristol probably >> over-did the >> beer and merriment instead of standing there with a pen and paper making >> notes for the rest of us. >> >> thoughtless bastards ; ) >> >> keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:35:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] pete wylie teaser recent mention of the wah! man reminded me of this little teaser... what's the (tiny) connection btwn wylie and wire? keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:56:44 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] wire sightings / uncut vs q wire sighting are rare here besides seeing the odd swim cd in the used bin, but I had two this weekend, hurrah. I bumped into a girl I had a class with in the record store, and she just happened to buying pink flag. Then the next day, saw a guy wearing a homemade 154 shirt, which looked rather authentic. I told him about r&b of course, and he surprised by saying right off the bat - "you know, one of the first cd's i ever got was when they were called wir. that song 'ticking mouth' gets me every time". also, how is uncut? are they as retro as mojo? because i can't stand that magazine... i do read q, mostly for their reviews (mostly for the quantity of them, not quality). the free uncut cd sounds neat.... ~michael np graham coxon - crow sit on the blood tree ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:45:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] uncut vs q > also, how is uncut? are they as retro as mojo? because i can't stand that > magazine... i do read q, mostly for their reviews (mostly for the quantity of > them, not quality). the free uncut cd sounds neat.... > ~michael Uncut is a bit retro to be honest, though not as much as mojo. even so, it tends to have a real lengthy artcicle about some oldie or other - there was a really good bob marley one last yr - but as someone pointed out it was sting recently which i couldn't be arsed reading...it's also a bit too alt.country for my tastes at times. however, there's more of a movie section than normally - indeed it was supposed to be a music and move mag, but that seems to have gone out of the window. it has a good review section though and the free cd's generally feature tracks off new albums and recently re-released/re-mastered oldies. so for example in recent months, there's been newish material from freeheat, the hives, brmc, lambchop, shelleydevoto, bunnymen, cornershop, edwyn collins, and stuff off old albums by the likes of the sound, dusty springfield, morrissey who i like and people like eileen rose who i certainly don't. (in fact she's on now - gotta get up and switch it off.............ah, that's a bit better - joey ramone....) so in short - not exactly cutting edge, but generally an enjoyable read/listen.... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:18:03 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: [idealcopy] music mags / Graham Coxon -- some Wire content (honest) on 21.4.02 11:56 AM, Rain19c@aol.com at Rain19c@aol.com wrote: > also, how is uncut? are they as retro as mojo? because i can't stand that > magazine... i do read q, mostly for their reviews (mostly for the quantity of > them, not quality). the free uncut cd sounds neat.... The reviews--quantity, as you say--are largely the only thing I really like about Q these days. Still far and away the best music magazine is The Big Takeover. Tons of reviews, interviews and shorter pieces, all with a decidedly indie / diy slant. Jack Rabid (the founder / editor / main interviewer) has more passion for music than the combined staff of Spin, Rolling Stone and Q. > np graham coxon - crow sit on the blood tree Haven't heard that one, but I do have (and love) The Golden D. I'd be stunned if Coxon wasn't a Bruce Gilbert fan, both having an attraction to making as much white noise from their guitar as possible. Easily the only interesting part of Blur for me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:02:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ALBUM TITLES > incidentally, anyone else out there reckon the title 'pink flag' came from the > words 'punk' and 'flog'. > keith and did you know that before he died, sonny bono, attempting to deal with the break up from his wife, released an album full of wire songs entitled "cher's missing"??? (no groaning at the back...) keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Bristol 'thoughtless bastards' eh?so where was your digital recorder and an e-mail offering us all a copy ?Ari--- Keith Astbury wrote: > > As for Wire at Bristol--if anyone wants to submit > a > > review to Wireviews, I'll publish it once I get > sorted > > in Iceland in May. However, to confirm, Wire did > > indeed play the entire contents of R&B01. > > what a lousy lot of correspondents we have! > > they didn't play this, don't think they did > that....AND THEY DID!!! > > if you ask me, some of the readers who went to > bristol probably over-did the > beer and merriment instead of standing there with a > pen and paper making > notes for the rest of us. > > thoughtless bastards ; ) > > keith ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 01:36:15 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] 50 Years of the NME..will they make 100? I actually bought an NME today for the first time in a year or so. I switched off for good when they did a cover story about the Miami Dance Conference illustrated by a pair of breasts with the word 'Miami' written in fake cocaine. It wasn't the breasts that offended me, it was the naff concept. They lost me. I'm 29 and I expected to read NME till I was John Peels age. Trust me folks, it used to be really good. In my day (88-98) NME always pitched itself at the age-group about 5-10 years older than the so called 'Youth' of the day. The effect being that 14-20 year olds felt they were buying into something rather adult and exciting, the older readership hung on well into their 30s, and young rebels stuck two fingers up to the NME and got on with making great records for them to write about (but secretly read the NME anyway...) NME's problem (and maybe their downfall) is that instead of writing about what 'the kids' are listening to for an older, wiser audience, they tried to talk directly to 'the kids'. (Eminem on the cover, Ringtones are the new rock & roll, Stereophonics etc etc). The kids didn't buy it. They're all reading Kerrang, or ram-raiding Oddbins. I didn't buy it cos I was too embarrassed to be seen with a paper with Blinkin Biscuits or Destiny's Suga-Solid Crew on the front. Or was it The Strokes? Stylish mediocrity killed the music press? But we need the weekly inkie whether you and I like it or not. There is still a lot of great music writing around but most of it is written about Old bands in Uncut, Q or MOJO. Yeah the 'underground' still has the internet and fanzines to serve it and its 36 fans, but you still need to get this stuff onto the shelves of W.H. Smiths somehow if it is actually go anywhere. God help us if the future of music is in the hands of stoned tree-huggers like "The Brainwashed Brain" ....to quote their editor upon me submitting some wicked reviews: "I'm not publishing that...their US imports are distributed by a major label". Their are c**ts on the underground too. So I hope NME uses its 50th anniversary to look back at its history, re-learn what NME is for and start scouring provincial venues for decent new bands instead of waiting for bands like The Strokes to arrive ready-made, with marketing strategies fully formed and haircuts at the ready. Now playing: Wire Peel Sessions. That version of 'A Mutual Friend'....menacing stuff! ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:44:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 50 Years of the NME..will they make 100? Enjoyed reading this, tim and agree wholeheartedly, except for the bit about the strokes. whether you like them or not (personally i do) i do find it refreshing that the nme can still 'break' such a band a la 'marquee moon'. i thought the strokes debut single 'the modern age' was the single of the year, but it was through the nme making it single of the week and generally giving them such a kickstart that the strokes made it. they might be fairly decent looking lads but they weren't any more ready made than anyone else. the rest of the stuff though is so true. admittedly i am not part of the nme's target audience (41 and a 1/2!), so i am loath to moan about it too much, but i too expected to buy/like the nme forever. i haven't actually stopped buying yet, but the dumbing down that's occurred in the past few months let alone the last year, must stop if i'm to continue. have you seen the length of most of the album reviews now. we expect short couple of paragraph entries in the monthlies but the nme? (and i too found the ringtones section tiresome, though at least it's been reduced in size now). i would have thought that the nme would have learnt from melody maker. that dumbed down and down until it was virtually a smash hits like comic and what happened - no-one bought it. still a pretty good 50th anniversary edition, though i hope there's more to the nme than looking backwards and patting themselves on the back for, say, making U2 what they are. the johnny rotten interview was the hilite for me. ok so he's become rather comic book himself over the years but it tickled me that he refused to toe the party line in his usual obnoxios manner. he also refused to pose with a classic pistols nme cover. 'when did i become a calander girl', he said. when indeed... keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: [idealcopy] 50 Years of the NME..will they make 100? > I actually bought an NME today for the first time in a year or so. > I switched off for good when they did a cover story about the Miami Dance > Conference illustrated by a pair of breasts with the word 'Miami' written > in fake cocaine. It wasn't the breasts that offended me, it was the naff > concept. They lost me. I'm 29 and I expected to read NME till I was John > Peels age. Trust me folks, it used to be really good. > > In my day (88-98) NME always pitched itself at the age-group about 5-10 > years older than the so called 'Youth' of the day. > The effect being that 14-20 year olds felt they were buying into something > rather adult and exciting, the older readership hung on well into their > 30s, and young rebels stuck two fingers up to the NME and got on with > making great records for them to write about (but secretly read the NME > anyway...) > > NME's problem (and maybe their downfall) is that instead of writing about > what 'the kids' are listening to for an older, wiser audience, they tried > to talk directly to 'the kids'. (Eminem on the cover, Ringtones are the new > rock & roll, Stereophonics etc etc). > > The kids didn't buy it. They're all reading Kerrang, or ram-raiding > Oddbins. I didn't buy it cos I was too embarrassed to be seen with a paper > with Blinkin Biscuits or Destiny's Suga-Solid Crew on the front. > > Or was it The Strokes? Stylish mediocrity killed the music press? > > But we need the weekly inkie whether you and I like it or not. There is > still a lot of great music writing around but most of it is written about > Old bands in Uncut, Q or MOJO. Yeah the 'underground' still has the > internet and fanzines to serve it and its 36 fans, but you still need to > get this stuff onto the shelves of W.H. Smiths somehow if it is actually go > anywhere. > > God help us if the future of music is in the hands of stoned tree-huggers > like "The Brainwashed Brain" ....to quote their editor upon me submitting > some wicked reviews: "I'm not publishing that...their US imports are > distributed by a major label". Their are c**ts on the underground too. > > So I hope NME uses its 50th anniversary to look back at its history, > re-learn what NME is for and start scouring provincial venues for decent > new bands instead of waiting for bands like The Strokes to arrive > ready-made, with marketing strategies fully formed and haircuts at the ready. > > > > Now playing: Wire Peel Sessions. That version of 'A Mutual > Friend'....menacing stuff! > > > ________________________________________ > Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click > http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:18:29 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Wire @ Bristol My opinions. Wire were superb. I loved the fact that they only played old stuff for the encore. I agree with what's been said about them mutating tracks. If they are experimenting then they're interested and therefore more likely to keep doing stuff. Roll on R&B02. For me, Germ Ship and Agfers were two highlights of the set. Listening to Agfers on R&B01 again today I picked up on the section that Colin sings. It's a different type of Colin vocal, reminds of Dome vocals somehow. I love it. Sadly I couldn't locate any List members. (How do you do that, just walk up and ask people at random?). Oh well maybe next time. Did anyone get the set list? Please post it to list. I managed to get Grahams lyrics for Agfers. Is it worth scanning and posting? Let me know. I took a few photos. I've started uploading them to my website. More to follow. If yr interested you can find them at http://www.tingy.co.uk/dotdash/ The main image stiched together in Photoshop is a bit large if yr connection is slow, but I wanted it to stretch to 1024 pixels suitable for desktop background usage. Let me know what y'all think. Cheers, MarkM. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #124 *******************************