From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #123 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, April 21 2002 Volume 05 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] VDGG and recommendations [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: the rapture [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The Bard of Scunthorpe ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] nme top 50 artists of all time [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] VDGG and recommendations [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] maybe... ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] maybe... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] maybe... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content [Andrew Westmeyer ] Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content ["Paul Pietromonaco" All other discoveries have been made by myself. > > Now what all this says or means I don't know. keith: I think there's a part of us that likes to discover the act ourselves. and if someone else discovers them, it somehow weakens things. i am convinced to this day that the only reason one of my mates didn't like the smiths was because a couple of us had got into them first... - --------------------- i do hate it when people/critics say "you are going to love this group", "man, you have to hear this record!" over and over...it does makes the group a little less special for me...although sometimes i can get over it if the music is brilliant, even though i often think "well, that was alrite, but it's no wire". people/friends kept telling me to see that "american beauty" movie so much, and how good it was, and how much i would like it.....got to the point where i just didn't want to see it at all..and i still haven't... ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:00:43 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the rapture keith wonders: anyone know anything about the rapture. apparently they hail from new york and have released stuff on sub pop, but the only thing i've heard is their new (1st uk) single. - ---------------------- they play this track "out of the races and onto the tracks" by the rapture all the time at this club i go to...its from the ep of the same name...the song itself is heavy on some of those post punk trademarks : noisy/scratchy guitars, funk/dancey drums, and screamed vocals, very reminscent of tom verlaine from television in this case (by the way, i'm a big fan of "Adventure" too)...it has the repeated phrase "punishment in higher places" repeated over and over...it's pretty darn great but i never actually bought the ep so i can't help with how the rest sounds like ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:21:51 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Bard of Scunthorpe - ----- Original Message ----- From: Fergus Kelly > Is anyone out there a fan of John Cooper Clarke? I always thought he was a > bit of a genius. I was just wondering if anyone knew what became of him. Fergus I saw him in Leeds about 4 years ago. He did a selection of poems, some gags and a fair amount of banter with the audience. He received a bit of ribbing about the Sugar Puffs adverts but took it all in good part. There was a film on BBC2 a few months ago featuring Christopher Eccleston as some kind of disturbed council estate poet which started with Ecclestone's character reciting Chicken Town at his local pub's Karaoke/open mic evening. The film itself was excrutiatingly bad, but it'll possibly keep JCC in beer, smack and sugar puffs for a while. Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 07:00:32 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] VDGG and recommendations In a message dated 20/04/2002 09:48:22 GMT Daylight Time, Rain19c@aol.com writes: > people/friends kept telling me to see that "american beauty" movie so much, > and how good it was, and how much i would like it.....got to the point > where > i just didn't want to see it at all..and i still haven't... > > ~michael > However Michael you are intelligent enough to sit down without preconceptions & watch it.The same sort of thing happened with me with The Usual Suspects.I just thought fuck it I'll hire the video & become a film critic. I loved it. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:11:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Fingers I agree,worth (more than )the extra for that imo,Ari - --- Mr Grumpy wrote: > So I guess we paid more for the signed print? > I don't really mind. > The cd sounds really good when you're driving home > doing 80 mph! > > Billy > > --- Ian B wrote: > > I see Amazon are carrying R+B (on pre-order) for > > #6.99, which seems a more > > reasonable price. > > > > I wonder if the posteverything price will fall > into > > line when it's > > officially released. > > > > Ian B > > (Tight fisted Yorkshireman) > > > ===== > . /\/\/\ > { . . } /\ > -- -bollocks! (R)GWS > Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nme top 50 artists of all time I see You made position number 51 then?Ari - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > This weeks 50th anniversary NME has top 50 artists > of all time based on > coverage, front covers, position in polls etc. > > Panders a bit to current readers but Top 10 as > follows. > > 1. the smiths > > 2. the beatles > > 3. the stone roses > > 4. bowie > > 5. the sex pistols > > 6. oasis > > 7. radiohead > > 8. paul weller > > 9. U2 > > 10. public enemy > > no wire, but others that i think might be of > interest to readers here. > > 12.the clash > > 13. nirvana > > 15.joy division > > 17. the strokes > > 21. the fall > > 23. velvet underground > > 24. r.e.m. > > 28. T.Rex > > 32. roxy music > > 33. the pixies > > 34. iggy pop > > 47. echo & the bunnymen > > 50. pj harvey > > keith ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fave Track Feed me.Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] VDGG and recommendations Then,our Michael,you are missing a darn good movie i.m.h.o.(and I only visit the cinema about twice a year,the last two viewd are lord of the rings and beautiful mind)Ari - --- CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 20/04/2002 09:48:22 GMT Daylight > Time, Rain19c@aol.com > writes: > > > > people/friends kept telling me to see that > "american beauty" movie so much, > > and how good it was, and how much i would like > it.....got to the point > > where > > i just didn't want to see it at all..and i still > haven't... > > > > ~michael > > > > However Michael you are intelligent enough to sit > down without preconceptions > & watch it.The same sort of thing happened with me > with The Usual Suspects.I > just thought fuck it I'll hire the video & become a > film critic. > I loved it. > Chris ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:00:27 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nme top 50 artists of all time > I see You made position number 51 then?Ari ari i can't tell you disappointed i was with such a lowly position! Keith > > This weeks 50th anniversary NME has top 50 artists > > of all time based on > > coverage, front covers, position in polls etc. > > > > Panders a bit to current readers but Top 10 as > > follows. > > > > 1. the smiths > > > > 2. the beatles > > > > 3. the stone roses > > > > 4. bowie > > > > 5. the sex pistols > > > > 6. oasis > > > > 7. radiohead > > > > 8. paul weller > > > > 9. U2 > > > > 10. public enemy > > > > no wire, but others that i think might be of > > interest to readers here. > > > > 12.the clash > > > > 13. nirvana > > > > 15.joy division > > > > 17. the strokes > > > > 21. the fall > > > > 23. velvet underground > > > > 24. r.e.m. > > > > 28. T.Rex > > > > 32. roxy music > > > > 33. the pixies > > > > 34. iggy pop > > > > 47. echo & the bunnymen > > > > 50. pj harvey > > > > keith > > > ===== > everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:10:28 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] VDGG and recommendations > > people/friends kept telling me to see that "american beauty" movie so much, > > and how good it was, and how much i would like it.....got to the point > > where > > i just didn't want to see it at all..and i still haven't... > > ~michael > > However Michael you are intelligent enough to sit down without preconceptions > & watch it.The same sort of thing happened with me with The Usual Suspects.I > just thought fuck it I'll hire the video & become a film critic. > I loved it. > Chris i know what michael means. when everyone was going on and on about 'a fish called wanda', i just couldn't be bothered going to see it despite being a python fan. i just waited till it was on the telly after all the hype had died down and watched it it then. as for 'american beauty' - it was a nice little snack, but not very filling. whereas 'the usual suspects' left it's mark on you - you knew you'd watched a great movie. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:20:17 -0500 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nme top 50 artists of all time > 1. the smiths > > 3. the stone roses > > 17. the strokes What? No Mungo Jerry??? Gotta love the UK (or maybe it's the NME), where every six months there's a new Next Big Thing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:20:29 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: [idealcopy] The Strokes & Q: Two topics for the price of one >> 17. the strokes > > What? No Mungo Jerry??? > > Gotta love the UK (or maybe it's the NME), where every six months there's a > new Next Big Thing. Or how about the latest Q, with yet another piece on the Strokes. Their album is a decent enough spin and all--contemporary retro tho it may be--but the amount of ink they are getting is mind-boggling. They are quite fortunate to be "good" (as opposed to excellent, interesting, remarkable) in an era when commercial music is decidedly subpar. Speaking of Q, are there many readers of that mag here? Used to love the magazine but since the editorial change, I find it less and less appealing. Very busy format with less substance. Every issue now seems to be a top 20 whatevers of all time (Nick Hornby gone amok?!). I'm going to give it two more issues--must see the Lydon Cash for Questions--and then likely dropping it. Anyone else feel the same? Different? Indifferent? Later all, Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:57:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Strokes & Q: Two topics for the price of one > >> 17. the strokes > > > > What? No Mungo Jerry??? > > HEY! I LIKE MUNGO JERRY! i can't tell you how erotic the following verse was to a 10 yr old!!! she wears those micro mini dresses hair hanging down her back she wears those see-thru sweaters she likes to wear her stockings black ('baby jump' 1971 - perhaps the least remembered UK number one of the 70's) > Speaking of Q, are there many readers of that mag here? Used to love the > magazine but since the editorial change, I find it less and less appealing. >Neil Know what you mean, but i still get it. prefer 'uncut' though even if it is a bit retro - decent free cd every month too. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:13:35 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Look......about last night Yeah, fine evening. McCluskey have short, shouty songs. One of them wore a t-shirt saying 'Kill Whitey'. I liked them. There's not much hair to be seen on the Wire heads at the moment. Robert and Graham have severe crops, Graham reminding me of Steven Berkoff in looks (those pointy ears) and deeds - he did a sound check by grunting into the mike. He was very fired up all night. Bruce lurked in the shadows stage right, looking serious. I have a sneaking feeling the opening noise was the latest 12XU, although I've got no evidence other than a hunch. It was certainly an impressive opening. Contrary to Andy's belief I think they played all of R&B. They certainly did Agfers, with Graham on vocal and I though Germ Ship came earlyish in the set. As well as 'Art of Stopping' mutating, I suspect 'Comet' will do so over time too. It's ideal to pick apart - I can envisage a time when the only lyrics will be 'and the chorus goes...'. 'I don't understand' came over really well. The band were a little, ahem, under-rehearsed at times - the second number especially seemed to start off at a quick pace which Robert rectified after a minute leaving the others to catch up. 'Art of stopping' was sung with Colin wielding a hand mike in a Blue Velvet sort of way, while playing a stripped down guitar with his right hand. The number straight after sounded like it was a variation as it shared the same melodic line to my ears. There was a mosh-pit, which manifested itself as a form of Graeco-Roman wrestling between two blokes which got out of hand, led to bother with another member of the audience and the wrestlers being thrown out. The band seemed to notice little of this. Favourite moment - Graham looking into the air at the start of 'Comet' as if he could picture it coming. I'm looking forward to R&B 02 already on this evidence. Good to meet those of you I met. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lumbard To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Look......about last night > Well, a fine blistering set. Great venue as well. > Excellent turn-out from the IC Massive, great to meet you all. (Uri, > Alastair - mail me off-list please?) > > Just to whet your appetite, as I'm sure there will be some more in depth > analysis on it's way. > > Started with all four members playing guitars to a huge pulsing backing > tape. (Yes, all four members, admittedly Robert's was bottle-neck tuned!) > > Encored without leaving the stage with Lowdown & Pink Flag some 50 minutes > later. > > In between? Four tracks from R&B. Not Agfers or Germ Ship. To quote another > the Keith - "'Art of Stopping' is already mutating" in the Wire tradition. > All the other stuff sounded new, fresh and of the same intensity as R&B 01, > but I stand to be corrected of any mutations in there. R&B 02 can't be very > far behind. > > Great Night, but on reflection, too late to stop for the Chinese meal > afterwards, Paul & Mark! > > AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:43:50 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Strokes & Q: Two topics for the price of one I heard ''Baby Jump' recently for the first time since it was a hit - it's a really great noise! Never liked Q myself, but Uncut has really come on and is now a 'must-buy', although there's probably only so many 20 page articles on The Police I can take. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Neil Soiseth ; Ideal Copy Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Strokes & Q: Two topics for the price of one > > >> 17. the strokes > > > > > > What? No Mungo Jerry??? > > > > HEY! I LIKE MUNGO JERRY! > > i can't tell you how erotic the following verse was to a 10 yr old!!! > > she wears those micro mini dresses > hair hanging down her back > she wears those see-thru sweaters > she likes to wear her stockings black > > ('baby jump' 1971 - perhaps the least remembered UK number one of the 70's) > > > > Speaking of Q, are there many readers of that mag here? Used to love the > > magazine but since the editorial change, I find it less and less > appealing. > >Neil > > Know what you mean, but i still get it. prefer 'uncut' though even if it is > a bit retro - decent free cd every month too. > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:04:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Strokes & Q: Two topics for the price of one > another the Keith said > Never liked Q myself, but Uncut has really come on and is now a 'must-buy', > although there's probably only so many 20 page articles on The Police I can > take. yeah, agree totally. skipped straight through that one... (did you see sting on parky last yr - what a smug twat. the man's written two half decent songs in almost 20 yrs - that's only one more than gary barlow!) keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Astbury > To: Neil Soiseth ; Ideal Copy > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Strokes & Q: Two topics for the price of one > > > > > >> 17. the strokes > > > > > > > > What? No Mungo Jerry??? > > > > > > HEY! I LIKE MUNGO JERRY! > > > > i can't tell you how erotic the following verse was to a 10 yr old!!! > > > > she wears those micro mini dresses > > hair hanging down her back > > she wears those see-thru sweaters > > she likes to wear her stockings black > > > > ('baby jump' 1971 - perhaps the least remembered UK number one of the > 70's) > > > > > > > Speaking of Q, are there many readers of that mag here? Used to love the > > > magazine but since the editorial change, I find it less and less > > appealing. > > >Neil > > > > Know what you mean, but i still get it. prefer 'uncut' though even if it > is > > a bit retro - decent free cd every month too. > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] Read and Burnt Fingers / complaint dept I've had similar problems with cdnow in the past. I believe after numerous complaints they offered me $5. (towards a next purchase) I haven't bought from the in over a year. Billy > what's the p&p costs though? only used them the once > myself and i thought > postage prices were outrageous unless ordering a few > items. i'll spare you > the details of my complaint, but you try complaining > to them. standard > format e-mails spouting a load of shite, which > resulted in me in a fit of > pique of writing 'IS THERE ANYONE LISTENING TO > ME???' Funnily enough they > offered me a fiver for my troubles then. > > keith ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] nme top 50 artists of all time These lists change so fast. Doesn't Rolling Stone do "Top 100 all time best albums" every year or so? Somebody always complains (a common theme?) the Sex Pistols were only #83 or some nonsense... - --- Steve Loubert wrote: > > 1. the smiths > > > > 3. the stone roses > > > > 17. the strokes > > What? No Mungo Jerry??? > > Gotta love the UK (or maybe it's the NME), where > every six months there's a > new Next Big Thing. ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:58:05 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] maybe... it just occured to me that the phrase 'Read & Burn' may refer to the process of copying CD's... the 'art of copying'...? well, its a theory isn't it...? ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:39:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] maybe... > it just occured to me that the phrase 'Read & Burn' may refer to the process > of copying CD's... > > the 'art of copying'...? > > well, its a theory isn't it...? ;) > > ian.s.j. that's the same theory as mine ian. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] maybe... How enlightened of you........(guffaw guffaw)Ari - --- "ian.s. jackson" wrote: > it just occured to me that the phrase 'Read & Burn' > may refer to the process > of copying CD's... > > the 'art of copying'...? > > well, its a theory isn't it...? ;) > > ian.s.j. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content - --- Mr Grumpy wrote: > Little known Wire fact: PF3 and PF4 fit nicely on one 3" cd... Even better fact... PF1 to PF4 total about 84 minutes. Yesterday I copied them all to a single CD (minus the 4 min Immersion track from PF2), which is now on heavy rotation. So has Wire abandoned "Art of Persistence" and "He Knows"? Too bad. NP Wire PF1-PF4 PL (playing later) Wire PF1-PF4 ===== Andrew Westmeyer anw7pima@yahoo.com Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:27:26 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] maybe... >that's the same theory as mine ian. errrrrr...wow, i think i may have missed/forgotten this one if you'd already posted it Keith, sorry...i've been drowning in emails lately!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content - --- Andrew Westmeyer wrote: > --- Mr Grumpy wrote: > > Little known Wire fact: PF3 and PF4 fit nicely on > one 3" cd... > MP3's are the way to go.Ari > Even better fact... PF1 to PF4 total about 84 > minutes. Yesterday I > copied them all to a single CD (minus the 4 min > Immersion track from > PF2), which is now on heavy rotation. > > So has Wire abandoned "Art of Persistence" and "He > Knows"? Too bad. > > NP Wire PF1-PF4 > PL (playing later) Wire PF1-PF4 > > > ===== > Andrew Westmeyer > anw7pima@yahoo.com > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic Hey IC-types~ > i'm pretty fond of their first 2 (esp. the 2nd). > some great radio singles > ... the 3rd one leaves me cold as ice, though. > > dan I have to agree with you on that. I was introduced to Garbage when my girlfriend heard "Special" on Ver 2.0. Soon after that, I picked up their first album for her and proceeded to take them away from her! I was disappointed with their latest, to the point that I probably will pass on their SF show. Oh well, according to the Billions Group, Wire should be in SF aroound September or so! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:38:41 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content > Even better fact... PF1 to PF4 total about 84 minutes. Yesterday I > copied them all to a single CD (minus the 4 min Immersion track from > PF2), which is now on heavy rotation. > Great minds must think alike. I made up a CD consisting of PF1, PF2 (minus the DJ battle - that disc's weak point for me), VPF3 (courtesy of the nice MP3s from the Pinkflag.com site - but it's okay since I bought two copies of the vinyl! (^_^)), and PF4. This completely fits on a 80 minute CD. This allows me to put the master copies of the CDs somewhere safe, and tote this "compilation" around instead. In fact, I'm playing it right now set it to Random play - it's really cool that way! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:26:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Not much Wire content In a message dated 4/19/02 10:12:42 PM Central Daylight Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > I just came across a band called A Popular History Of > Signs and I was curious if someone could provide a > little information on them? > I found two songs: 'Justice Not Vengence' and > 'Stigma'. > They were quite good.>>>>>>> weren't they on WAX TRAX records? and wasn't Al Jourgenson of Ministry involved? Robert> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:29:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic In a message dated 4/19/02 11:29:22 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > -another the paul > > n.p. biting tongues-troublehand Whoa! You are only the second person i have ever met who owns a record (or even knows of) by Biting Tongues!....Is Troublehand a single or an LP?...i have Love Out and another single that i can't remember the name of...Biting Tongues were and early incarnation of 808 State right? Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:29:56 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guilty pleasure? on topic In a message dated 4/19/02 11:29:22 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > listening to commercial radio in the car today, i came to the conclusion > that > i really like garbage (the band). i probably won't buy anything unless i > find > it really cheap, as there's just so many things on my "to buy" list right > now...a certain 6 song import included. > anyway, has anyone else noticed the wire-isms in garbage? i think if wire > had > gone really really really poppy, they might sound quite a lot like garbage, > > particularly in the guitar and drums and electronic sounds. the bass > doesn't > quite sound like graham on anything i've heard (that i can remember), but i > > do hear quite a lot texturally in the other sounds. of course colin would > also need to grow his hair out and dye it auburn, get breast implants, > and...well, does anyone else hear anything or am i just hearing things? > either way, garbage is an official guilty pleasure for me now. > > -another the paul > > Just the other day i saw a pretty cool VH1 documentary on Garbage....you should keep an eye out for it.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:30:47 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: biting tongues OT In a message dated 4/20/02 11:29:33 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >> -another the paul >> >> n.p. biting tongues-troublehand >Whoa! You are only the second person i have ever met who owns a record >(or >even knows of) by Biting Tongues!....Is Troublehand a single or an LP?...i >have Love Out and another single that i can't remember the name of...Biting >Tongues were and early incarnation of 808 State right? interestingly enough, i had just taken polar exposure by five or six off the turntable and put on troublehand. in the back of my mind i must've known, but had forgotten, both records are formatted the same way. the a-sides are one song @45rpm and the b-sides are several songs @33rpm! weird wild stuff. graham massey, of biting tongues, went on to form 808 state (who have a new album on the way). - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:32:56 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] maybe... In a message dated 4/20/02 3:58:30 PM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: >it just occured to me that the phrase 'Read & Burn' may refer to the process > >of copying CD's... i'm sure that's exactly what they meant, as well as (i would hope) what mark picked up on...it's r & b! >the 'art of copying'...? the ideal copy baby! :o) - -another the paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #123 *******************************