From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #120 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 18 2002 Volume 05 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! ["bartvandamme@home" ] [idealcopy] Wireviews domain migration [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Fwd: wire and related from Carbon Disks ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Audio [RLynn9@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] ot apollo ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] Why I love freeform radio ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cope ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: now playing [RLynn9@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] bristol ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: now playing [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Audio [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The Agfers of Kodack [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] bristol [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! [Andrew Westmeyer ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Associates ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Associates [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Stina Nordenstam ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] read and burn ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Hammill etc ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] bristol ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cope ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Re: Nordenstam #2 [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] Read & Burn ["ian.s. jackson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:01:23 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! > The plane with the North American copies must have gone the long way, > 'cross the Pacific! San Francisco and Seattle firstest, who'd'a thunk > it? If it wasn't for Ari in North Carolina having his, I'd think this > might actually be true... :-) > > later, > > Miles Seems it takes the plane less time to cross the Atlantic than the bloody Channel! How much longer??? 8-[ Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:42:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! MAYBE they're being sent out in the order that they were ordered?Ari - --- "bartvandamme@home" wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:01:23 +0200 > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! > From: "bartvandamme@home" > To: wire-news > > > The plane with the North American copies must have > gone the long way, > > 'cross the Pacific! San Francisco and Seattle > firstest, who'd'a thunk > > it? If it wasn't for Ari in North Carolina having > his, I'd think this > > might actually be true... :-) > > > > later, > > > > Miles > > > Seems it takes the plane less time to cross the > Atlantic than the bloody > Channel! > How much longer??? 8-[ > > Bart > http://www.bartvandamme.com > bartvandamme@home.nl ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:00:01 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Cope >I know what the noise on 'Kodack' sounds like now. 'La Passionara' by the >Blow Monkeys. Strange... Don't know this one, possibly because the chiselled jaw of Dr Wobert never weally appealled much. La Passionara was the Spanish republican who coined the phrase about it being better to die on your feet than live on your knees, I think. RE Cope - did anyone buy his book `The Modern Antiquarian'? Lavishly produced and expensive and probably remaindered by now. Seem to remember that someone who knows about these things (I mean archaeology rather than Cope) told me it was a bag of shite. Pity if so. Reminds me, Cope once provoked a really excellent letter to the Daily Telegraph (right wing UK daily favoured by old farts), c. 1986. Along the lines of 'Dear Sir, While I have in the past enjoyed some music by popular singing groups such as the Beatles, on Top of the Pops last night there was a man sitting on top of some scaffolding singing `World shut your mouth'. Has the youth of today gone stark staring bonkers? I am yours sincerely, Sir Bufton Tufton, The old Rectory, etc.' Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 04:03:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews domain migration Wireviews' domain migration is now complete. Please update your bookmarks to www.wireviews.com as the old site on the dircon server will be offline soon. Updates will begin again in late May. Best Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:59:45 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: wire and related from Carbon Disks A mate of mine just emailed me this. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it on the list before but it's available from Carbon Disks. Cheers John >Subject: wire and related from Carbon Disks >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:18:45 +0100 > >Are your 'idealcopylist - wire completists' aware of this new release?: > >SWAYZAK Groovetechnology V1.3 2CD 12.99 K7 Includes work by >Colin Newman, Monolake, Luomo, Basic Channel, Herbert, Cim... > >and Carbon's price for the new READ AND BURN CD is GBP7.80. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:39:27 +0100 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Hammill etc [Keith Astbury came down from the hill long enough to say: "Seriously though i don't get Hammill... what exactly is the attraction???"] I think Kevin Eden's already done a good job on answering the question, so I'll go off at a tangent. I think there's often a leap of faith needed to get into something new - frinstance I remember when the Associates' 'Club Country' came out I half loved it and half hated it, because so far as I was concerned people weren't supposed to sing like that. Same thing with Pere Ubu & David Thomas's voice on 'Modern Dance'; same thing with the lo-fi production on the early Residents. At some point I became a convert to each, and no longer saw these things as problems at all. The main leap that people have to make to get into Hammill-world is to come to terms with the fact that he takes himself so bleedin' seriously (at least in his lyrics; so far as I know he's a jolly chap in daily life). Personally, I found this no problem since back then (early 70's) I took myself at least as seriously. The attraction, for me, was the juxtaposition of deadly earnestness and manic energy... Imagine if John Cleese had done music instead of comedy. Hammill pushes at weighty inchoate questions until the whole thing becomes obviously absurd, and entangled, and the band goes charging off on some ridiculously dislocated riff - I agree with Keith Knight when he says that Hammill was the master of the throwaway riff. And that Hammill/VDG were, no doubt still are, a more obviously awesome proposition live. I don't know if I'd recommend Hammill & VDGG to anyone nowadays - that stuff is so much a part of my background that it's impossible for me to get any sort of perspective on it. But if ever you feel like trying, I'd suggest 'A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' off 'Pawn Hearts'. In that he does what he's best at - writing about the human condition, nameless fears, generally metaphysical and portentous stuff, and going absolutely apeshit in an expensive studio with his finest band & a top producer. Going back OT - the first time I heard '154', particularly 'Should Have Known Better' & 'A Touching Display' I had a minor crisis of faith - where's Colin? Where has the guy with the plummy voice come from? Is this what I want from Wire? It only took 2 or 3 plays for me to decide that, actually, I liked this new side of Wire at least as much, but it was a definite wobble. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Oh yes - and KK said, "Although Hammill isn't as funny..." I have a single that Hammill put out as Rikki Nadir, 'The Polaroid'. This is conclusive proof, if it were needed, that Hammill's strengths do not lie in comedy! Garry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:08:37 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Audio Speaking of streaming audio..if ANY of you Ideal Copyists (whether in the USA or abroad) would like to check out St. Louis' finest public radio please tune in to http://www.kdhx.org My friend Rob has a great show on Wednesday night at 8pm-10pm (USA central time) called Juxtaposition...He spins eveything from Wire ot the Smiths to Boards of Canada to Jesus and Mary Chain to Magnetic Fields toJoy Division etc...then immediately afterwards is a show called Sovereign Glory which is mostly electronic music....the station also has several great reggae and dub shows as well as all sorts of jazz and world musics...check out the schedules on the website!..It's good stuff and needs public support to keep on doing what they do...It's the only station in town that is not corporate or college owned..it is operated solely by contributions and volunteers...None of the dj's are paid they just love music and love sharing with others...so PLEASE at least listen once or twice and let me know what you think! thanks! http://www.kdhx.org Robert Lynn in St. Louis, Missouri..USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:12:17 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ot apollo I love apollo. I loved to movie so much that I bought the Voyager published cd with the soundtrack. I have very early memories of viewing the latter Apollo missions (when I was 4-5) in front of a huge Zenith B+W TV. Eric in Toronto //////////////////// todays listening so far: symptoms - apathy gomez - bring it on stina nordenstam - this is... eno - apollo ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:12:15 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Why I love freeform radio i am making a huge assumption (no pun intended) that you are a lapsed catholic like me Stephen. I laughed my ass off reading about this. I try to arrange a Good Friday steak BBQ every year. I will definitely try wfmu. Thanks for the tip. Eric in Toronto /////////////////////// Just has a small epiphany that I though I'd share. Tuned into my fave radio station, the mighty freeform WFMU (on web at wwww.wfmu.org) when the instantly recognizable sound of the Tigerlilies comes on (and I've NEVER heard them on broadcast radio before) with a marvelous new (to me) tune which basically repeats "I'm banging nails into Jesus" or something like that over and over, and I'm hugely enjoying their combination of brilliance and blashphamey, only to be risen onto an even higher plane with a track I've never heard before going on about "Sodom and Gamorrah" times, which I find out through the announcer is by the "New Creation". .... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:05:33 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Read & Burn It arrived yesterday. The autographs are as described elsewhere. I played it. Very nice, very fun, although at first listening I don't hear much Bruce. I won't pretend that I think this is some "major statement"--it's some old mates rocking out, and doing so in an impressive manner. I'll try w/ the headphones tonight. I like the ep idea. I imagine it takes some of the pressure of being "WIRE" off of them and lets them just go. Here's hoping for more soon! Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:17:43 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! op 18-04-2002 11:42 schreef Ari Britt op luvjazzz@yahoo.com: GOT IT! GOT IT! :-D ...and Comet is my imediate favourite! But... what a lot of shouting! What loud guitars! This is almost... almost... PUNKROCK! 8-P Cheers... Bart [but it's way too short, isn't it?] bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com Wow, what a trophy we got with it... a signed crumbled bad quality computerprintout! Oh well, I guess it's indie... [Now where is your healthy sense of fetishisme Bart!?] > MAYBE they're being sent out in the order that they > were ordered?Ari >> Seems it takes the plane less time to cross the >> Atlantic than the bloody >> Channel! >> How much longer??? 8-[ >> >> Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:21:35 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! what was that ari-bit doing on top of my mail? hehehe... ;-) Here it is again: GOT IT! GOT IT! :-D ...and Comet is my imediate favourite! But... what a lot of shouting! What loud guitars! This is almost... almost... PUNKROCK! 8-P Cheers... Bart [but it's way too short, isn't it?] bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com Wow, what a trophy we got with it... a signed crumbled bad quality computerprintout! Oh well, I guess it's indie... [Now where is your healthy sense of fetishisme Bart!?] > MAYBE they're being sent out in the order that they > were ordered?Ari >> Seems it takes the plane less time to cross the >> Atlantic than the bloody >> Channel! >> How much longer??? 8-[ >> >> Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:35:03 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! > GOT IT! GOT IT! :-D Yay! > > Bart [but it's way too short, isn't it?] Yeah - when's Read & Burn 02 coming out? (^_^) > Wow, what a trophy we got with it... a signed crumbled bad quality > computerprintout! I had a theory about that. I'm wondering if they're all the same. Can you describe yours? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:45:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG > another the Keith said > NB Keith asked - 'didn't he have a track entitled 'not for Keith''. Yes, he > did, a song about a friend who died. Oh that's it Keith. Make me feel bad... Keith ps 'is it safe to come down yet?', he whispers from up that darn hill... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:01:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG > >QUICK. THERE'S A HILL UP YONDER. WE'LL TAKE REFUGE THERE UNTIL THE > HAMMILL > >FANS HAVE GONE... > > > Where will you go? Japanese pop - or Hammill? (^_^) hmmmmm. hmmmmmm. japa...., no hammm....hmmmm. i dunno... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:09:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cope howard said > Don't know this one, possibly because the chiselled jaw of Dr Wobert > never weally appealled much. you obviously haven't seen him lately. it's fair to say the chiselled jaw has gone. like the rest of he's not as thin as he was in his youth anbd whilst he's in no way like rik waller, he's put a lot of weight on his face...(he tells a story on his website that he came out from doing a radio interview and an american fan was waiting outside with a copy od blow monkeys 'animal magic' album, where the dr's cheekbones have been enhanced with a wee bit of make up, and he asks the current overweight dr when the dr is coming out. he said there was a time when this would have bothered him, but he's not arsed now) > RE Cope - did anyone buy his book `The Modern Antiquarian'? Lavishly > produced and expensive and probably remaindered by now. Seem to > remember that someone who knows about these things (I mean archaeology > rather than Cope) told me it was a bag of shite. Pity if so. cope was quite honest that the serious students would dislike his book, but he stands by it. (haven't read it over to cover, but it's a nice one to dip into). oh yeah the druids were the glam rockers of their day... > Reminds me, Cope once provoked a really excellent letter to the Daily > Telegraph (right wing UK daily favoured by old farts), c. 1986. Along > the lines of 'Dear Sir, While I have in the past enjoyed some music by > popular singing groups such as the Beatles, on Top of the Pops last > night there was a man sitting on top of some scaffolding singing `World > shut your mouth'. Has the youth of today gone stark staring bonkers? I > am yours sincerely, Sir Bufton Tufton, The old Rectory, etc.' i remember reading about that. classic. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:10:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! > > Wow, what a trophy we got with it... a signed crumbled bad quality > > computerprintout! > > I had a theory about that. I'm wondering if they're all the same. Can you > describe yours? isn't this getting a bit doctors and nurses??? keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:17:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn > Iggy has talked of > >reforming the Stooges, but he seems capable only of sporadic moments of > >brilliance now. > > I've never seen Iggy but if he reformed the Stooges I think I'd make the > effort... > oh yeah. i'd make the effort too. only seen iggy once circa 1987 and he was fab. he's just a great performer. (mark 'lard' riley was standing near me, jumping up and down like a loon) just not sure how great a re-formed stooges would be on record. i'd be first in the queue to find out though. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:19:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Read & Burn michael said > it's some old mates rocking out now that's what i call a nice line in understatement ; ) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:34:20 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: now playing another the paul: >stina nordenstam - this is... how do you like this? the couple of things i heard had cheesy soprano sax on them that kinda ruined it for me. did i just hear the wrong ones, or is it all like that? - ----------------------------------------------- her early stuff has that quasi-jazz feel, with some saxophone and such. i don't think it's that bad, although i think it might because i've listened to it a lot. but since 1996, she's abandoned any jazz leanings and gone more guitar oriented. she did an album called "dynamite" that was here bleakest yet...mostly just her voiced matched with grinding lo-fi guitars... "this is" is a more accessible record, but it's really lo-fi esque with some of those casio beatbox things. it's also very stripped down, no songs approaches 3 and half minutes. it's probably my favorite record of hers. ~michael np kraftwerk - radioactivity (sounding much better then i remembered) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:38:48 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] The Agfers of Kodack Hi Keith I stongly suspect the reason for the obvious mispelling is to avoid legal wrangles with Agfa and Kodak over using their names without permission. It's a dodgy area. That's why Panasonic (the Finish group, not the company) are now called Pan sonic. Fergus _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:38:51 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: now playing actually, my favorite Stina Nordenstam album is: "And She Closed Her Eyes"..very Melancholy but without the cheesy jazz of the first album or the bleakness of the third....she did a track with Yello that is really good too.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:46:40 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] bristol another the Keith asked:- >> Who's going again? Me, as yet no ticket, asked a Bristol mate to get me one. He forgot it was this Friday. I shall be on my own, special clearance pass from Mrs Lumbard. Is it still the rolled up copy of the Financial Times tucked under the arm? I don't know any of you from Adam. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:56:42 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: now playing robert: actually, my favorite Stina Nordenstam album is: "And She Closed Her Eyes"..very Melancholy but without the cheesy jazz of the first album or the bleakness of the third....she did a track with Yello that is really good too.... - --------------------------------- yes, i'm quite partial to "And She Closed Her Eyes" too, but it often battles with "this is.." for my favorite. The yello track is "to the sea" and i think its pretty good too.. ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:55:24 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Audio In a message dated 18/04/2002 15:09:46 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > He spins eveything from > Wire ot the Smiths to Boards of Canada to Jesus and Mary Chain to Magnetic > Fields toJoy Division etc...then immediately afterwards is a show called > Sovereign Glory which is mostly electronic music... Thanks for that i'll give it a listen. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:19:26 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Agfers of Kodack << I stongly suspect the reason for the obvious mispelling is to avoid legal wrangles with Agfa and Kodak over using their names without permission. It's a dodgy area. That's why Panasonic (the Finish group, not the company) are now called Pan sonic. >> It's self-censorship, an old Wire trick of course... 12XU is a "censored" title - the song was originally called 12 Fuck you. Wire decided to censor it themselves - a pretty amazing thing to do in the 1977 climate, with everyone trying to get away with as much swearing as possible. And that's why we love 'em ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:25:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bristol We're trying to find a place for a drink before the gig. I'll have the mobile with me - so give me a call on 0781 3320044 when you get there and we'll try and hook up... Mark << Me, as yet no ticket, asked a Bristol mate to get me one. He forgot it was this Friday. I shall be on my own, special clearance pass from Mrs Lumbard. Is it still the rolled up copy of the Financial Times tucked under the arm? I don't know any of you from Adam. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:49:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Heale To: Keith Astbury Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: re.Hammil fans Keith you'll need more than a hill... if the KING CRIMSON fans get started.. the Crimo's are avid and devour everything in sight with their Crimology... guidance handed down by the godhead THE COUNT FRIPP..Keep your eyes skinned... i'll let you know if any approach from this end of the country. ever watchful. DAVID IN CORNWALL PS CAN YOU PASS THIS ONTO IDEALCOPY" ? for some reason i 'm not connecting this end.... something to do with an incorrect address in my address book????? i'm trying to sort this...out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:07:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hammill etc garry said > I think there's often a leap of faith needed to get > into something new - frinstance I remember when the Associates' 'Club Country' > came out I half loved it and half hated it, because so far as I was concerned > people weren't supposed to sing like that. that's really funny you should pick that as an example garry. i already loved the associates by the time the 'sulk' album was released and had quite a few of their records inc. 'kitchen person' which still sounds like a mad, mad record, but when i first heard 'sulk' it was like 'WHAT????'. after a few plays i grew to love it which is obviously often the way, but what was weird with 'sulk' was that when i played a few months later for the first time in a while it had the same mystifying effect that it had had on me the first time. so for quite a long time afterwards, i would have to play it a couple of times before i, ahem, enjoyed it again. this is the only time i've had to do that with any album. > Going back OT - the first time I heard '154', particularly 'Should Have Known > Better' & 'A Touching Display' I had a minor crisis of faith - where's Colin? > Where has the guy with the plummy voice come from? Is this what I want from > Wire? It only took 2 or 3 plays for me to decide that, actually, I liked this > new side of Wire at least as much, but it was a definite wobble. Does anyone > else know what I'm talking about here? > yes, but not with 'should have known better', cos i liked that one straight away, but i know what you mean. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:09:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans > Keith you'll need more than a hill... if the KING CRIMSON fans get started.. > the Crimo's are avid and devour everything in sight with their Crimology... > guidance handed down by the godhead THE COUNT FRIPP.. perhaps he could provide elocution lessons for his mrs... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:17:07 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] read & burn anyone else out there think that 'germ ship' sounds like 'is vic there?' keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:14:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! - --- Miles Goosens wrote: > > Okay - my copy arrived in Seattle today. > > The plane with the North American copies must have gone the long way, > > 'cross the Pacific! San Francisco and Seattle firstest It arrived in Phoenix yesterday (Wednesday). WOO-HOO!!! I would like to revise my previous top-ten list. R&B is fantastic. My wife even likes it. She said that Wire sounds more normal. I guess the song structures aren't all that unusual (compare it to the members' solo output), but these songs are unlike anything else out there. ===== Andrew Westmeyer anw7pima@yahoo.com Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:25:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] read & burn << anyone else out there think that 'germ ship' sounds like 'is vic there?' >> See where you're coming from, but the bass line is Idiot Joy Showland off Shift-Work by the Fall ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:32:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! andrew westmeyer said > I would like to revise my previous top-ten list. R&B is fantastic. NO YOU CAN'T! Keith (self-appointed adjudicator) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:33:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Associates Keith, << that's really funny you should pick that as an example garry. i already loved the associates by the time the 'sulk' album was released and had quite a few of their records inc. 'kitchen person' which still sounds like a mad, mad record, but when i first heard 'sulk' it was like 'WHAT????'. >> Same here - though I knew all the Sulk songs as they were all in the live set form 1980, but heavily rewritten (in much the same way that 154 was a studio reinvention of Wire's late 78-early 79 live set). When I saw the Associates (Derby Blue note club, 10/80) they played almost a completely unreleased set - none of the Situation 2 stuff at all and only A Matter of Gender and Paper House off The Affectionate Punch. Check out the Associates 1st Peel session EP on strange fruit to get an idea what an astonishing live band the McKenzie/Rankine/Dempsey/Murphy line-up was. Also visit Michael Dempsey's web site for some good anecdotes and a fantastic 1980 rehearsal download. www.mdmmedia.com Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:35:17 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Old Prog pants etc.. Bloody hell, don't encourage them. All talk of Prog should be banned from this list! Mark ;-) << Keith you'll need more than a hill... if the KING CRIMSON fans get started.. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:46:41 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 (was Hammill etc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Phillipson > Going back OT - the first time I heard '154', particularly 'Should Have Known Better' & 'A Touching Display' I had a minor crisis of faith - where's Colin? Where has the guy with the plummy voice come from? Is this what I want fromWire? It only took 2 or 3 plays for me to decide that, actually, I liked this > new side of Wire at least as much, but it was a definite wobble. Does anyone > else know what I'm talking about here? > Garry I raised this some months ago; given that my route to Wire was via Colin Newman's A-Z, I had no real preconceptions when I bought 154, having heard nothing from it beforehand and only a couple of Wire singles which I didn't rate. I was interested in the reactions of those who'd been 'in at the start' as it were, when they dropped the needle and encountered the Lewis vocal. One response pointed out that it was less a surprise if you'd been catching them live as the Lewis songs had been developed through that route. Nonetheless, I'd love to have experienced that moment of having all preconceptions and expectations challenged in the way you did. Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:56:26 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans a big F-off to King Crimson...the only thing that wanker Robert Fripp has ever done worth a salt is his collaborations with Eno and some of his playing with David Sylvian... Robert-in-a-nasty-mood-Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:04:56 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Associates >Check out the Associates 1st Peel session EP on strange fruit to get an >ideab what an astonishing live band the McKenzie/Rankine/Dempsey/Murphy >line-up was. question... the only Associates track that i liked for a long time was 'Tell Me Easters On Friday' (i may have mentioned this before in the dim and distant past...) does/did this feature on the Peel Session ? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:16:55 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Associates while on the subject of the Associates..i have a question...have any of you heard the original "Affectionate Punch" lp from 1980 (cover is a black and white picture of them as track runners) and subsequent remixed version that came out in 1982 (the one that Billy MacKenzie felt that he compromised himself by letting them make the album my "digestible" to new fans)???? ......They are decidedly different...the 1982 version was the one that the label used for the cd pressing later...a lot of people have not heard the original version...i just made cd-r's of both of them last night so i could listen to them repeatedly back to back...If any of you have heard both, which is your favorite? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:32:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: re.Hammil fans > a big F-off to King Crimson...the only thing that wanker Robert Fripp has > ever done worth a salt is his collaborations with Eno and some of his playing > with David Sylvian... > > Robert-in-a-nasty-mood-Lynn and bowie... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:42:26 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Nordenstam #2 >her early stuff has that quasi-jazz feel, with some saxophone and such. i >don't think it's that bad, although i think it might because i've listened >to >it a lot. but since 1996, she's abandoned any jazz leanings and gone more >guitar oriented. she did an album called "dynamite" that was here bleakest >yet...mostly just her voiced matched with grinding lo-fi guitars... re my first mail on S.N. ... oooops...maybe 'Dynamite' wasn't her first LP then?... ;-( ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:39:36 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Stina Nordenstam > >stina nordenstam - this is... > >how do you like this? the couple of things i heard had cheesy soprano sax >on >them that kinda ruined it for me. did i just hear the wrong ones, or is it >all like that? 1st LP 'Dynamite' is fantastic, very Bjork, but still..., i'd recommend it to anyone. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:49:05 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] read and burn >and any >explanation as to what that mis-spelling of the names of two film >manufacturers is all about?) someone else has probably already answered this one... to avoid lawyers etc... i would imagine... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:39:20 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG John - don't get me started on my Pavement reminiscences... another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG > Oh bloody hell... Hammill and Shonen Knife in the same email. Is this what > we fought the punk rock wars for etc etc etc. What next? Pavement fans? > 8-) > > John > > > >From: Paul Pietromonaco > >To: Ideal Copy > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG > >Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:59:23 -0700 > > > > >> Good to see there are other fans of his/their music > > >> out there. > > >> > > >QUICK. THERE'S A HILL UP YONDER. WE'LL TAKE REFUGE THERE UNTIL THE > >HAMMILL > > >FANS HAVE GONE... > > > > > > >Bwah ha ha ha! > > > >I'm there already with my Shonen Knife, Puffy AmiYumi and Buffalo > >Daughter records. > > > >Where will you go? Japanese pop - or Hammill? (^_^) > > > >Oh the horror! > >Cheers, > >Paul > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:46:39 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hammill etc Garry wrote apropos Hammill - "Imagine if John Cleese had done music instead" - ------Yes - excellent analogy. Garry also wrote "I have a single that Hammill put out as Rikki Nadir, 'The Polaroid'. This is conclusive > proof, if it were needed, that Hammill's strengths do not lie in comedy! - -------I've got 'The Polaroid' too and it is indeed a career low. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:36:56 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bristol Andy If FT it must be, FT it is (as long as I can track one down in Luton...) another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lumbard To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] bristol > another the Keith asked:- > > >> Who's going again? > > Me, as yet no ticket, asked a Bristol mate to get me one. He forgot it was > this Friday. I shall be on my own, special clearance pass from Mrs Lumbard. > Is it still the rolled up copy of the Financial Times tucked under the arm? > I don't know any of you from Adam. > > AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:56:40 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG Keith - well, if you will take on the great man... You can come down as far as I'm concerned. Probably. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Keith Knight ; Ideal Copy Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG > > another the Keith said > > NB Keith asked - 'didn't he have a track entitled 'not for Keith''. Yes, > he > > did, a song about a friend who died. > > Oh that's it Keith. Make me feel bad... > > Keith > > ps 'is it safe to come down yet?', he whispers from up that darn hill... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:55:11 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cope > howard said > > RE Cope - did anyone buy his book `The Modern Antiquarian'? Lavishly > > produced and expensive and probably remaindered by now. Seem to > > remember that someone who knows about these things (I mean archaeology > > rather than Cope) told me it was a bag of shite. Pity if so. Keith replied > cope was quite honest that the serious students would dislike his book, but > he stands by it. (haven't read it over to cover, but it's a nice one to dip > into). oh yeah the druids were the glam rockers of their day... > > ------- I really love that book and now make a point of visiting sites if I'm in the area (this makes me*really* popular with the family). It's a gazetteer rather than a archaeological study with a bit of history/lore and JC's impressions of the site and maybe even a poem. His character shines through. I've never liked his music much but love this side of him and his Krautrock proselytising. I've seen him give a couple of talks on the book and he has some interesting stuff to say from my lay perspective (like the Romans deliberately mowed their roads through some sacred sites to show who was boss). His description on the (poor) TV spin-off of how people walking down the Ridgeway would have seen Silbury Hill reflecting the sun (pre-grassy days) and been blown away has stayed with me. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:23:37 -0400 From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Nordenstam #2 ian: re my first mail on S.N. ... oooops...maybe 'Dynamite' wasn't her first LP then?... ;-( - ----- no, that was her third.. ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:24:44 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Read & Burn well, got mine this morning, super quick, thank you posteverything... it's Comet and Germ Ship for me at the moment, after 4 or 5 plays on the bounce...(Comet chorus in my head as i type...) least fave is I Don't Understand, a minor quibble, i just like it less thats all ;-). hooray for Gilbert/Gotobed/Lewis/Newman, a national treasure... Manchester gig please, guys...? ah, go on... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #120 *******************************