From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #119 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 18 2002 Volume 05 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Here it is...Read and Burn 01 ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Dunstable and Luton ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn ["John Roberts" ] Re:[idealcopy] Fwd: News from All Tomorrow's Parties/OT [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Here it is...Read and Burn 01 Tim An insightful set of comments which will send me back to the music with fresh eyes (not that I need much excuse). I can proudly announce (in one of those rare moments of fatherhood as it's supposed to be) that my kids (9 & 7) are happily singing along to the chorus of 'Comet' without coercion, evidence surely that the boys are shortly to take their place alongside Kylie and Wheatus. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:52 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Here it is...Read and Burn 01 > Here it Is! > > Someone at Posteverything is clearly a frustrated graffiti artist judging > by the seriously hip-hop handwriting on my Jiffybag. Lets rip it open in a > punk rock style...... > > Hmm...Its in one of those carboard CD folder things. Very Post-Rock! > Minimal sleeve art. Reminds me of 'The A List'. Looks very much like one of > a series. Funny how Wire has spent the last 2 years tentatively stepping > back into this rum business of releasing proper records! > A Demo CD, a T Shirt, a live CD, a remix 7" single and now a bona fide > official EP with just over 16 minutes of all new Wire material. It'll be in > the shops and everything. It might even get reviewed. Wire is going public > at last. Wire has become a beat-group again...for now. > > If you've ordered yours from posteverything.com (if not why not) you'll > have got a piece of paper onto which has been somewhat cheaply printed an > image from the new video. No big EMI budgets at PinkFlag! However, on the > rear you will find all four have signed the thing....with Bruce signing in > a vivid riot of red. All four are pictured, perhaps squashed together in a > small cupboard like in the Cure video...Graham has a somewhat unsettling > stare. > > And the music. The first thing I noticed was the welcome return of the > Robert Gotobeds snare drum. It is the first sound you hear on the first > track (as it was for the first few early gigs) and is the driving force > throughout this record. > In case you were unsure, relax because this is the best Wire record since A > Bell is A Cup, and it is 'that' snare drum that is the principle reason. > This is Mr Gotobeds record...and about time too. Its like Wir never happened. > > As Wireviews point out this month. Wire Rock. And indeed they do. 12 Times > U is a useful pointer to the overall feel of this record. Its short, Loud, > brutal and fast. A Minature pink flag perhaps. (A Flag in A Jar?). > > 'Its All in the Art of Stopping' opens with 'that' snare crack. Welcome > back Robert! It sounds like Silo on ampehtemines, which is no bad thing. > Colin sings a pleasingly manic vocal, with a very 1st generation Wire vocal > tag. Later he will impersonate a donkey. No Really. Good start. Very Wire. > But louder. And Faster. That will be the theme of the whole record. > > 'I Don't Understand' is a definite standout track and definitely one for > the fans. A huge nod towards 'Advantage in Height' in the opening riff, I > can hear a 80s Wire synth bassline in the background (although it could be > treated guitar), and the welcome arrival of a dugga dugga dugga bit. And it > closes with Colin doing the kind of shouting we haven't heard since 154. > > Comet echoes the manic rythmn of 12 Times U, and reminds me a bit of Colins > remix of Silo. "Its Coming Fast...Its a Comet...Coming this way with you're > name on it". Yay! > The chorus is "And the Chorus Goes....And the Chorus > Goes...Ba-Ba-Ba-Ba-Bang", the kind of pop-song pisstake last heard on Map > Ref and perhaps another knowing tongue-in-cheek touch for us fans. > > Germ Ship is perhaps the second real standout track for me. A second chord > is added to the mix and this as near as we will get to a Wire-Pop song. > Jagged shards of buzzsaw guitar will saw yer f**kin' ears off if you play > it loud enough. > > 1st Fast......turn it up! At this point your either a bit dissapointed or > thrilled to bits. If the former I suggest you crank up your stereo and > rewind and start again. This is a re-energised Wire. Be thankful. > > The Agfers of Kodack. Is that Graham Lewis we hear trying to shout louder > than Colin Newman? Or is it a treated Newman vocal. Not sure. This is > perhaps the weakest track because I can't help feeling Lewis's (if it is > he) vocal would be more effective delivered in his usual baritone over the > manic thrash of the music would have made a nice contrast. His vocal > reminds me a bit of Ian Curtis vocals on those early Warsaw records...you > know he can do much more interesting things with his vocal chords than > this. Still it craps on anything on Manscape so What can you say?! > > So in short a darn good record. Many key elements are there: angular cut-up > guitars, motoring drums, distorted bassline, duggaduggadugga and lots and > lots of shouting. > All this intercut with very cool electronic production tricks here and > there....missed them? Go back and listen again. For example, Check the > low-bandwidth lead into the chorus on track one. The 2002 equivalent of > that bit of feedback that opens The Beatles 'I Feel Fine'. Not heard that > before on a rock record. They'll all be doing it in five years time. > > But it aint the perfect Wire record. > Those hoping for arty 154-style epics, Ambitious-Kidney-Buzz-Drops or > Dome-style electronic mangling will be dissapointed...but maybe we'll get > some of that on R&B 2, 3, 4 or 5. > We are in Pink Flag territory here. > > What we do get is a fantastic, angry EP of new items from Wire and their > finest work for over 15 years. Will that do yer? Beats listening to remixes > of f**king Erasure surely? > > Tim Robinson. > > p.s. Where's Graeme Rowland? He'll f**king love this one! > > ________________________________________ > > Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click > http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:56:34 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pavement Bart - I agree about the Malkmus solo. I much prefer the Preston School of Industry album which seems to retain the Pavement spirit more. I was there at the last gig at Brixton Academy - a sad moment indeed. I'm a big Larry Sanders fan but, nope, I can't remember their appearance. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: bartvandamme@home To: Keith Knight Cc: wire-news Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Babies/Trail of the Dead > > Good to hear good things about Pavement! I totally agree with Pavement being > the best band of the 90's and I think the fact they are linked to the Fall > is just valid for the first perhaps the second album. But there always was a > very distinctive sound of their own [wich in its turn influenced bands like > Sammy or Yatsura - doesn't every band stand on the shoulders of it's > predecessors]. > > I was truely was a sad day when they split. Stephen Malmus solo album was a > treat allright, but IMO it never reaches the level of any Pavement outlet. > > Like I said to John earlier - Pavement have been on the Larry Sanders show > once... anyone saw it? > > Bart > http://www.bartvandamme.com > bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:56:45 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dunstable and Luton Bands don't even play the library anymore. The venue where I saw the Fall and Buzzcocks was the former Labour club (cue dissertation) and there was a rather good arts centre called artezium for a while (where I saw Martin Carthy and Kate Rusby) which closed down a year ago due to mismanagement but is rumoured to be opening again soon. Paul wrote - luton managed 2 great acts in the late 70's/early 80's , uk decay and click click. but i won't bore you with that stuff (yet...) . Oh, go on.. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Keith Knight" ; ""Idealcopy"" Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [idealcopy] Hello > Sadly Dunstable's famous (I say that but I can't > >remember the name offhand) music venue of the 60s / early 70s where the > >likes of the Stones and Zeppelin played is no more, not that it ever had a > >gig on in my time here. > > > /////shame on you for your lack of bedfordshire cultural knowledge :-) dunstable had 2 really famous venues , the queensway hall (where i used to work.....) and the california ballroom. both were very regualar venues thru the 60's/70's , in punk times the pistols played the QH and the clash played both , plus others too numerous to mention. the cali got turned into a housing estate around 1980 , the QH was bulldozed last year and is now an asda supermarket. bizarrely for a town its size , luton has never had a decent venue that lasted more than the blink of an eye. only place i ever saw gigs was the library theatre , yep things were so bad bands booked that for lack of any better option. > > p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:59:23 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG >> Good to see there are other fans of his/their music >> out there. >> >QUICK. THERE'S A HILL UP YONDER. WE'LL TAKE REFUGE THERE UNTIL THE HAMMILL >FANS HAVE GONE... > Bwah ha ha ha! I'm there already with my Shonen Knife, Puffy AmiYumi and Buffalo Daughter records. Where will you go? Japanese pop - or Hammill? (^_^) Oh the horror! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:04:26 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn >Julian Cope, for example, is adamant that he would never reform the >Teardrops and in his case I suspect that it's the right decision (I >wouldn't >mind him re-discovering his pop sensibility though). here here. Iggy has talked of >reforming the Stooges, but he seems capable only of sporadic moments of >brilliance now. I've never seen Iggy but if he reformed the Stooges I think I'd make the effort... The two bands who I think could possibly be capable of great >moments if they were to reform are the Smiths (though for legal reasons >this >is unlikely to ever happen) My feeling is that it will happen one day. It's not as if Mozza's solo career has had the same impact as the Smiths. If Lydon and Matlock can appear on the same stage then... and the Sex Pistols if they could be bothered >trying (though they're more likely to reform for some nostalgia bash and >just take the piss). When didn't they? >So whilst reforming for most bands is a desperate (finacial?) move which >MAY >or may not work artistically, Wire are probably the ONLY fave band you >would >expect to reform (in their original/only line-up) and not be disappointed. >We all have a fave member (mine's Colin) but for me Wire are definitely a >case of the total being more than the sum parts. Here here again. As I've said before I've never really bothered much with the various Wire solo projects but the 4 of them together... John _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:11:23 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG Oh bloody hell... Hammill and Shonen Knife in the same email. Is this what we fought the punk rock wars for etc etc etc. What next? Pavement fans? 8-) John >From: Paul Pietromonaco >To: Ideal Copy >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG >Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:59:23 -0700 > > >> Good to see there are other fans of his/their music > >> out there. > >> > >QUICK. THERE'S A HILL UP YONDER. WE'LL TAKE REFUGE THERE UNTIL THE >HAMMILL > >FANS HAVE GONE... > > > >Bwah ha ha ha! > >I'm there already with my Shonen Knife, Puffy AmiYumi and Buffalo >Daughter records. > >Where will you go? Japanese pop - or Hammill? (^_^) > >Oh the horror! >Cheers, >Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:39:38 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re:[idealcopy] Fwd: News from All Tomorrow's Parties/OT Ari quoted: > > NEWS UPDATES FOR THIS WEEK > > > > AUTECHRE ARE TO CURATE ATP UK 2003 > > > > We are proud to announce that Autechre have > > confirmed they will be the curators of two > > weekends held at Camber Sands in 2003. > > Tickets go on sale this Friday (April 19th > > 2002). Be interested to see what the line-up for that will be. From interviews I was under the impression they didn't listen to much music beyond their own and that made by their mates. If I'm not mistaken, Kraftwerk have been approached to play the last few ATPs but always pulled out. Wonder if Autechre can tempt them away from their racing bikes? At a guess the bulk of the bill will be made up of Skam/Warp artists and old Hip Hop groups? Might consider going actually I've resisted this years ATP (I went to the first two) cos beyond Wire and Low there was precious little else on the bill that would tempt me to spend #100 and organise 4-5 people to share a chalet, travel to the arse end of England and spend three nights in a grotty, windswept holiday camp full of mouthy, drunken students. I was kind of hoping Wire might venture some proper gigs later in the year, and might even sail the Germ Ship north of Watford for a change. So do we actually have an IdealCopy War Correspondant who is going to report back ATP event this weekend? (or next weekend). I understand Wire have a dream slot, topping the bill on the Saturday Night when everyone will be in need of something fast and loud. They should walk it, and capture a bunch of new fans I would hope. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:23:43 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] re: now playing In a message dated 4/17/02 4:59:49 PM, Rain19c@aol.com writes: > >stina nordenstam - this is... how do you like this? the couple of things i heard had cheesy soprano sax on them that kinda ruined it for me. did i just hear the wrong ones, or is it all like that? - -another the paul n.p. durutti column-amigos em portugal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:43:45 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! Hi everyone, Okay - my copy arrived in Seattle today. Oh joy, oh joy! Playing it right now, so I can't give a review yet. (^_^) I'm curious about something, though. Is everyone's video still the same? Mine is four portraits of the band, each illuminated by what appears to be a flashlight so that you can only see a small portion of their faces. And, yes, Bruce signed in a red pen. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:00:38 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 01, baby! At 08:43 PM 4/17/2002 -0700, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: >Hi everyone, > Okay - my copy arrived in Seattle today. The plane with the North American copies must have gone the long way, 'cross the Pacific! San Francisco and Seattle firstest, who'd'a thunk it? If it wasn't for Ari in North Carolina having his, I'd think this might actually be true... :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:20:39 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Mystery solved? Hi everyone, Okay - I was poking around through the Wire stuff that I've ordered from Pinkflag.com/posteverything.com, and I think I figured out what happened to PF3. It's "Twelve Times You". I know Posteverything.com lists it as VPF1, but they also list the titles on the single as X side and Y side. This directly contradicts pinkflag.com, which lists the sides as X side & U side. Pinkflag.com also lists the release as VPF3. Who could be right? Who? Who? WHO? Well, being the obsessive kinda guy I am (^_^), I dug out the vinyl single and found the answer in the run-out groove. Each side is listed as VPF3X-1 and VPF3U-1, so I guess Pinkflag.com is right. This makes sense too - PF1, PF2, (V)PF3 & PF4. Silly, I know. (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. Now playing? do i even REAlly neeD to ANswer that DisturBing qUestion Right Now? anyONE? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:25:20 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn > >Julian Cope, for example, is adamant that he would never reform the > >Teardrops and in his case I suspect that it's the right decision (I wouldn't > >mind him re-discovering his pop sensibility though). > > Eh? It was in fine fettle on 20 MOTHERS, which may have been nearly seven > years ago, but we're only removed from it by one > Julian-Cope-Name-Above-the-Title release (INTERPRETER). > > (Obviously I'm not counting the host of Head Heritage-released projects > like Queen Elizabeth, Brain Donor, etc., but I'd be willing to bet that the > next proper Cope album of new material has plenty of actual tunes). > > Of course, I'm somewhat amused that a person who'd list the Doors among his > essential groups would be demanding that Cope move away from seven-minute > Krautrock opuses. ;-) > oh don't get me wrong. i love the krautrock stuff on 'jehovakill'. i don't mind the 'ambient metal' (julians term not mine) of his new brain donor band and i can just about put up with his 'odin' rumblings, but not at the expense of what i termed his pop sensibility...this is what julian does best. after all, this man has written some of the best 'pop' records ever IMO - from 'sleeping gas' to the rather fab 'interpreter'. sadly this - his last 'pop' album - was nearly six yrs ago, and worse still he intimated in a recent record collector article that it is doubtful whether he will ever release another. personally i find that kinda tragic. keith ps don't forget that apart from their 'when the musics over' and 'the end' epics, the doors wrote some pretty smashing tunes too! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #119 *******************************