From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #118 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 17 2002 Volume 05 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] PH & VDGG [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] bristol [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: 3 singers/Jools/Fischerspooner/read and burn [Howard Spen] [idealcopy] Accountant ["Garry Phillipson" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Bard of Scunthorpe ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] Mighty Wah! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: 3 singers/Jools/Fischerspooner/read and burn ["Keith ] [idealcopy] read and burn ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] Re: Feed Me/ the New Cd [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] R&B review on Wireviews [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] no r&b / vien / the wire [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Audio ["k erickson" ] Re: [idealcopy] bristol ["Keith Knight" ] Re: Re: [idealcopy] Hello re dunstable ["Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG Good to see there are other fans of his/their music out there. I am one of those who followed him/them avidly throughout the seventies. Only saw VDGG when they reformed in 1975. Also bought all solo albums up to Enter K. I then lost touch with his music until 1990 just as Wire book was in production. Publishers were playing 'Silent Corner' CD. A classic. Made the few hairs I have on the back of my neck stand up straight. Rekindled I have since bought everything he does (except the live albums) since. Hammill is a truly underated and much overlooked songsmith. He continues to deliver consistantly good albums year on year on year.... more power to his elbow! For those wanting to check him out go to www.sofasound.com The Hammill/VDGG connection was only what ignited the continuing brotherhood with Charles and the founding of WMO! Nice to see Mojo, finally, having a lenghthy VDGG article this month. And to hopefully dispel the myths that they should be lumped with the other dinosaur proggers from the 70's. VDGG/PH were never that contrived. They had no light shows, no gimmicks. Tell me another line up with sax, organ, drums, guitar!! ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:08:51 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] bristol so , the gig approaches. unless del amitri decide to play on the same night i may well put in an appearance. i sort of know bristol town centre , but not to the extent of knowing good pubs etc. anybody get any good suggestions for somewhere good and relativley near the fleece? last weeks NME had a pretty positive review of mccluskey (fridays support act) , worryingly they "trashed the gear" at the end of the show which i hope they spare us on friday , i can only take so much. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:09:57 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: 3 singers/Jools/Fischerspooner/read and burn >Did all three of them sing on Once Is Enough? Or was it just Colin and >Graham? Could swear I heard Bruce in there somewhere... not sure, it's a >while since I've listened to it. I thought the only thing featuring all three of them was `It can't be true can it?' on Coatings (another Manscape outtake and my personal favourite of those). Never noticed Bruce on Pieta. Is it him growling `which way should I go' or whatever it is he's saying? Re Jules Holland 'later' - I'd love to see Wire fuck up old no-neck's jazz jam-session at the end, wouldn't you? Best line in 24 hr pp was Tony Wilson's `Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented'. >........and shouldn't the pet shop boys come with a warning not to drive or >operate machinery whilst listening to them? just a thought. p hehe. like it, can I use this put down please Paul? I think there are more deserving candidates, however (Travis spring to mind readily). I used to like the PSBs but tuned out when they did the appalling se a vida es and haven't bothered with them since. Have to confess to owning a number of Erasure albums too - part of my Barbie Girl/totally-addicted-to-bass tendancy that I tend to try to keep quiet in front of adults. Never heard the Wir remix of `Fingers and thumbs' - will have a look at mute site to see if it's still available. Speaking of electro-schlock, thanks to Miles and Andrew(?) for the Fischerspooner pointers. I actually heard `Emerge' about a month ago and was impressed - and I think the cover of the 15th is very worthwhile (pisses on the pub-rock effort on Whore IMO). the hype around F. Spooner is regrettable and they could easily turn out to be the next World of Twist (fab image, gorgeous stagesets, two songs. much older than they pretended to be) but I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. Like most list members it has taken a few plays for `Read and Burn' to start sinking in. Am most fond of `germ ship' and `comet' at present. Good to hear some sand-in-joints shouting from EGL too. Does `art of stopping' put anyone else in mind of Sweet's Ballroom blitz (not necessarily a bad thing)?? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:16:36 +0100 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Accountant During the annual visit from the company's accountant, we got talking about music and it turns out that not only was he once in a band, but they supported Wire at some point. So - did anyone ever see a band called 'The Groove Raiders' supporting Wire? (Mind you, with a name like 'Groove Raiders', it's no wonder he ended up as an accountant). Garry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:08:05 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Bard of Scunthorpe John Cooper Clarke spotted last year headlining at the Huncote Music Festival. Try finding that place on a map. (It's in Leicestershire.) I don't think he'll be playing there again - lots of jokes about the railroad not getting to Huncote yet etc. Supported by some god awful local covers band he came on to tell awful jokes for about an hour and a half with the occasional poem. Certainly extremely un-PC. And he was absolutely bladdered. Keen to tell us that he's off the smack full time now though. John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:42:02 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] Mighty Wah! Mighty Wah! are playing Leicester, Charlotte on Sat 25th May with Spear of Destiny and The Alarm. There's a full tour including Wrexham see http://www.petewylie.com/ Cheers John >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "ian.s. jackson" >CC: >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] to be........ >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:37:25 +0100 > > > >all this liverpool stuff made me listen to pete wylie's epic 'heart as >big > > >as liverpool' today. > > >he thanks mersey on the LP sleeve notes. am i right in saying that that >is > > >his daughter? > > >ian said > > god its sad but it's true Keith, he called his kid 'Mersey'. ouch. > > 'heart as big...' makes me really cringe, a lot like Wylie does >actually, > > and i've met him a few times... > >he's made some great records though - better scream, seven minutes to >midnight, sleeep, somesay, forget the down, remember, hope, come back, >sinful, the kerry baby... > >i like 'heart as big as liverpool' though - sure it's 7 and a half mins of >over-the-top, overblown 'heart as big as my hometown' sentimentality but >who >cares. actually, i think 'songs of strength & heartbreak' is the first >really good album wylie has made (there's a great track called 'i still >love >you' that rips off aha's 'take on me' of all things). i thought he always >seemed to have made great singles and patchy albums. > >i've got a sneaking feeling though ian that the real reason you don't like >'heart as big as liverpool' is that it was adopted by Liverpool football >club and i seem to recall that you're an Evertonian! (you will notice that >I've left out 'Story of the Blues' from my list of great wylie tracks - >this >has nothing to do with me trying to be impartial, i just think it's one of >the worst single he ever made...) > >Keith > >np sound dust - stereolab ('double rocker' in fact. best on the album i >reckon...vintage stereolab) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:16:32 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mighty Wah! > Mighty Wah! are playing Leicester, Charlotte on Sat 25th May with Spear of > Destiny and The Alarm. There's a full tour including Wrexham thanks john. i saw this advertised, but as much as i'd like to see wylie, i'm not sure i could stomach s.o.d. and the alarm. it sounds like one of the japanese endurance tests... (actually i saw the alarm before they made it - supported the jam - and i have to say they were good live, so maybe i should make the effort and go and cheer on our, ahem, local favourites!) keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:30:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 3 singers/Jools/Fischerspooner/read and burn Howard said > Have to confess to owning > a number of Erasure albums too - part of my Barbie > Girl/totally-addicted-to-bass tendancy that I tend to try to keep quiet > in front of adults. it's a re-assuring that there are other people out there who like naff pop! i don't particularly like the examples you used, but i know exactly where you're coming from - i've loved the last few kylie 45's, dannii's single with riva was great and i've already embarrassed myself here by admitting to raving about cher's 'musics no good without you'...don't be quiet about it howard. shout it from the treetops! > Never heard the Wir remix of `Fingers and thumbs' - > will have a look at mute site to see if it's still available. > think it is. it's definitely more wir than erasure too!!! > Does `art of stopping' put anyone else in mind of Sweet's Ballroom blitz > (not necessarily a bad thing)?? > no it isn't a bad thing (drummer mick tucker died recently btw), though i still think it sounds like 'penetration' off iggys 'raw power' myself. keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:58:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] read and burn my copy finally arrived today. have to say i'm impressed so far. certainly sounds better than on the downloads which didn't do those two tracks justice at all. it's been interesting reading the responses so far - already people have different faves on what amounts to a 6-track e.p. (are we calling it an album or what?) i have to go along with tim - 'i don't understand' is definitely my fave after initial plays. it's vintage wire and it positively swaggers. love it. > Does `art of stopping' put anyone else in mind of Sweet's Ballroom blitz > (not necessarily a bad thing)?? > Howard just played it again howard and you're right. it's the 'ballroom blitz' guitar riff (and as i write this i've just noticed that 'comet' has got the 'blitz' drum beat too! so it's official - wire are the new sweet (i'd certainly like to see a heavily made up graham camp his way through the 'a man in the back said...' bit... ; ) going off on a tangent, all this reminds me of a story i once heard. one of the sweet or chinn/chapman (their writers and producers) were for some reason at a led zep party in the 70's, and led zep insisted on putting something like 'blitz' or 'teenage rampage' on over and over again and were going mad on the dancefloor to it. the sweet person was getting all embarrassed and thought they were taking the piss, but it just transpired that led zep genuinely loved the record. and if you'd have told a led zep fan in the 70's that you liked 'ballroom blitz' they would have shaken their greasy long hair at you! just to return to 'read & burn' a moment...have to say i'm really impressed even if ten quid for 6 short tracks (autograph or no autograph) is a bit much. still i got 'swim team#2' which is the other extreme - a lengthy album for a fiver... incidentally, what's that noise that comes in at various times during 'agfers of kodack' sound like - some old dance record??? (and any explanation as to what that mis-spelling of the names of two film manufacturers is all about?) keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:21:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG > Good to see there are other fans of his/their music > out there. > QUICK. THERE'S A HILL UP YONDER. WE'LL TAKE REFUGE THERE UNTIL THE HAMMILL FANS HAVE GONE... Seriously though i don't get Hammill. Admittedly it's been a while since I heard him - and i don't know his 90's stuff at all -but apart from 'Enter K' which i seem to recall not hating, i couldn't stand him. his solo stuff just seemed to be half baked ideas by a man who couldn't be bothered fully developing an idea (like some underground latter day prince - now there's another man who's released too much bloody stuff), and whose music lacked warmth and emotion. sorry - and i'll take the flak on the chin - but what exactly is the attraction??? keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:35:45 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn the naff track I really went for last year was `flawless' by the ones - partly because it reminded me of wordy rappinghood by the tom-tom club. Their TOTP appearance was good - and all three of them swimming in makeup and ever-so-slightly overweight and gone to seed. My favourite Kylie track is Confide in me, which was quite a while back now. I don't have a problem with 16 minute eps at all - or, given that these things have to be costed and limited runs make less money, paying a tenner for it. I think the e.p./mini-album format fits the music. Also, remember that Wire have other fish to fry - record labels, solo stuff and ploughing the ten acre field - so for them to get a 40 minute album together might take another 2 years! We don't want that, do we? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:52:06 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] Why I love freeform radio Just has a small epiphany that I though I'd share. Tuned into my fave radio station, the mighty freeform WFMU (on web at wwww.wfmu.org) when the instantly recognizable sound of the Tigerlilies comes on (and I've NEVER heard them on broadcast radio before) with a marvelous new (to me) tune which basically repeats "I'm banging nails into Jesus" or something like that over and over, and I'm hugely enjoying their combination of brilliance and blashphamey, only to be risen onto an even higher plane with a track I've never heard before going on about "Sodom and Gamorrah" times, which I find out through the announcer is by the "New Creation". Now, I've never heard of those guys. But they deserve a look/see just on the basis of the name, while the track itself is a Velvets meets the Shaggs masterpeice. Right now they're playing some ultra low-fi kid singing about "stepping on a bean bag" while "Planet Claire" plays faintly in the background. This is EXCACTLY why I love free form radio. The DJ as the master mind fucker, suprisingy, delighting, disorientating, introducing you to realms of sound and juxtaposition that keep you constantly offbalanced (no offense Jhon!) and interested in what can possibly come next. Viva le suprise! - Steve G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] radio free internet It's funny you should bring this up. I was just reading about the new copyright and royalty laws being enacted while America sleeps. Basically, anyone broadcasting music over the internet would have to pay a substantial royalty fee. 15 cents a song or half that if you are also broadcasting over the airwaves. This is bad because most people doing this don't make a lot of money and would not be able to pay. It goes on a bit more and is a lot more complicated, but these are the basics. Cheers, Billy - --- Stephen Graziano wrote: > Just has a small epiphany that I though I'd share. > Tuned into my fave radio > station, the mighty freeform WFMU (on web at > wwww.wfmu.org) when the instantly > recognizable sound of the Tigerlilies comes on (and > I've NEVER heard them on > broadcast radio before) with a marvelous new (to me) > tune which basically > repeats "I'm banging nails into Jesus" or something > like that over and over, > and I'm hugely enjoying their combination of > brilliance and blashphamey, only > to be risen onto an even higher plane with a track > I've never heard before > going on about "Sodom and Gamorrah" times, which I > find out through the > announcer is by the "New Creation". Now, I've never > heard of those guys. But > they deserve a look/see just on the basis of the > name, while the track itself > is a Velvets meets the Shaggs masterpeice. Right > now they're playing some > ultra low-fi kid singing about "stepping on a bean > bag" while "Planet Claire" > plays faintly in the background. This is EXCACTLY > why I love free form radio. > The DJ as the master mind fucker, suprisingy, > delighting, disorientating, > introducing you to realms of sound and juxtaposition > that keep you constantly > offbalanced (no offense Jhon!) and interested in > what can possibly come next. > Viva le suprise! - Steve G. ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! 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US mail is so ... weird. :) Waiting patiently, Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:02:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn > My favourite Kylie track is Confide in me, which was quite a while back > now. > mine too! > I don't have a problem with 16 minute eps at all - or, given that these > things have to be costed and limited runs make less money, paying a > tenner for it. I think the e.p./mini-album format fits the music. Also, > remember that Wire have other fish to fry - record labels, solo stuff > and ploughing the ten acre field - so for them to get a 40 minute album > together might take another 2 years! We don't want that, do we? > > Howard Actually i was thinking about that on my bike before. I feel a bit mean spirited. We might all love millions of bands, but how many groups REALLY matter. Ten? Twelve? Not many anyway. And whilst we'd all disagree on who they are, most of mine are no longer capable of releasing new stuff. T.Rex, the Velvets, Associates, Joy Division, the Doors and the Beach Boys are all missing key members, whilst others are unlikely to ever reform - Julian Cope, for example, is adamant that he would never reform the Teardrops and in his case I suspect that it's the right decision (I wouldn't mind him re-discovering his pop sensibility though). Iggy has talked of reforming the Stooges, but he seems capable only of sporadic moments of brilliance now. The two bands who I think could possibly be capable of great moments if they were to reform are the Smiths (though for legal reasons this is unlikely to ever happen) and the Sex Pistols if they could be bothered trying (though they're more likely to reform for some nostalgia bash and just take the piss). So whilst reforming for most bands is a desperate (finacial?) move which MAY or may not work artistically, Wire are probably the ONLY fave band you would expect to reform (in their original/only line-up) and not be disappointed. We all have a fave member (mine's Colin) but for me Wire are definitely a case of the total being more than the sum parts. Don't get me wrong. I don't spend all day hoping that old faves will get back together - there's enough good stuff out there as it is, but whilst I might moan about a tenner being a lot for 6 short tracks, hearing new Wire stuff is something for the diary. And I have to say that some of 'Read & Burn' is the most vital music I've heard this year (and at least it's not a 70 minute endurance test that most acts now want to submit us to). 'I Don't Understand' in particular is as good as anything I've heard in 2002 (coincidentally it's exciting in the same way as the recent McClusky 45). Not bad for a bunch of old geezers 25yrs on from their debut... Keith PS I know what the noise on 'Kodack' sounds like now. 'La Passionara' by the Blow Monkeys. Strange... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:10:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: naff pop/read and burn At 07:02 PM 4/17/2002 +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: >Julian Cope, for example, is adamant that he would never reform the >Teardrops and in his case I suspect that it's the right decision (I wouldn't >mind him re-discovering his pop sensibility though). Eh? It was in fine fettle on 20 MOTHERS, which may have been nearly seven years ago, but we're only removed from it by one Julian-Cope-Name-Above-the-Title release (INTERPRETER). (Obviously I'm not counting the host of Head Heritage-released projects like Queen Elizabeth, Brain Donor, etc., but I'd be willing to bet that the next proper Cope album of new material has plenty of actual tunes). Of course, I'm somewhat amused that a person who'd list the Doors among his essential groups would be demanding that Cope move away from seven-minute Krautrock opuses. ;-) still wandering the yard to see if the San-Francisco-bound plane airdropped my READ AND BURN 01, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:05:24 +0100 From: "Antony Jordan" Subject: [idealcopy] Read & Burn Am I the only person in the UK waiting for his copy? Tony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: News from All Tomorrow's Parties/OT This just in.Ari - --- donotreply@wayaheadzz3.com wrote: > From: donotreply@wayaheadzz3.com > Subject: News from All Tomorrow's Parties > To: luvjazzz@yahoo.com > Reply-to: donotreply@wayaheadzz3.com > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:15:51 +0100 > > Dear ATP Friends, > > > NEWS UPDATES FOR THIS WEEK > > AUTECHRE ARE TO CURATE ATP UK 2003 > > We are proud to announce that Autechre have > confirmed they will be the curators of two > weekends held at Camber Sands in 2003. > Tickets go on sale this Friday (April 19th > 2002). The event like this year will be > held over two consecutive weekends and the > line up that is to be announced soon is > looking so good. The dates for the first weekend > are March 28-30 2003 and weekend two is April > 4-6 2003. The ticket price has had to increase > to #110 next year but this will be the first > time since Tortoise but this is due to the > rising costs in staging such an event and > Pontins ain't cheap. > Tickets are again sold in chalet blocks of 4, 5, > 6, 7 and 8 berths. > Each ticket includes three nights accommodation > and entrance to the festival. > Available from the ATP website > http://www.allltomorrowsparties.co.uk > Wayahead on +44 (0)115-912-9000 > Ticketline on +44 (0)161-832-1111 > http://www.ticketline.co.uk > Stargreen on +44 (0)207-734-8932 > > > QUERIES ABOUT NOT RECEIVING TICKETS > > Some of you have been emailing us saying you > haven't received tickets for weekend two. Granted > there was a delay but everyone should have > received them by now. If not, go back to the > point of sale and if you purchased them from > outlets listed below. Be sure to quote your > booking reference number. > All international bookings are likely to be held > for collection at the venue but again double check > this with the ticket outlet where you purchased > them. > The contact numbers are as follows - Wayahead and > the atp website +44 (0)115-912-9000 > Stargreen box office + 44 (0)207-734-8932 and > Picadilly Box Office in Manchester on > +44 (0)161-832-1111 > > > ATP JAPAN IS NOT HAPPENING > > Also I would like to point out that despite the > rumours and news reports Autechre are not > curating an ATP in Japan,. And if the enquiries > are anything to go by I would take too long on > getting tickets for ATP UK 2003 as the enquiries > have been very high. ATP UK is where they will > be and we are working towards keeping the bar 24 > hours so good times ahead. > > LATE BAR AT CAMBER THIS YEAR > > This year the bar will close at 5am on Saturday > morning and and 7am on Sunday morning - you won't > get that at Reading will ya? > > SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT INTEREST YOU ONCE ATP IS > OVER > > Our good friends at Warp records are going on a > tour so I thought this might be of interest once > you have recovered from ATP. > > Its the first ever Warp Records collective tour. > > Keep an eye on the Warp website which has all the > upto the minute updates on www.warprecords.com > There will soon be an update at this address with > more detailed information about each gig, line-ups, > visuals and supports. We'll also be updating the > site as we travel! > > At each gig there will be a phat line-up of Warp > artists, live acts, Djs, special visuals, new Warp > film work, local support and shit loads more that > we don't even know about! > > We've got loads of new tracks from the artists on > the tour and we're cutting a magic bus tour cd next > week. Expect new tracks from: Plaid, Richard Devine, > > Luke Vibert, Phoenecia, Mira Calix, Chris Clark, > Hecker, Russell Haswell and more. > > We're having a tour leaving party at the Rhythm > Factory on Whitechapel Road, E1 on April 20th. > Helping us say goodbye to London for a month are: > Boom Bip, Ceephax, DJ Food, Gescom DJs, Mira Calix, > Req & Warp DJs. Its only a little venue so get your > tickets quick, they are on sale for #10 at Stargreen > > and Rough Trade Covent Garden (0207 240 0105). > > > > LAST WEEK NEWS UPDATES - JUST INCASE YOU MISSED THEM > > TIME SLOT CHANGING FOR WEEKEND ONE > > Also note that the Oxes and Dianogah have swapped > Time slots on weekend one in case you thought you > were seeing things. > > > TICKETS FOR WEEKEND TWO > > Tickets are still available for Weekend two but all > 5 and 8 berths for that weekend are gone. So if you > > fancy a 4. 6 or a 7 berth we still have only a few > left and tickets are available from the site or by > calling Wayahead on +44 (0)115-912-9000 > > > WILL OLDHAM AKA BONNIE PRINCE BILLY SPECIAL > > For all you fans of Will Oldham, Palace or Bonnie > Prince Billy, we are proud to announce that Bonnie > Prince Billy will be performing a rare and exclusive > > performance of his 'Arise Therefore' LP from start > to > finish and in sequence to the record. This show will > > take place on weekend two only and could be worth > the > admission price alone? > > > SHELLAC PLAY 6 TIMES AT ATP UK > > Yes, that's right Shellac are performing three times > > per weekend at ATP and like many other bands will be > > performing a full set. If ATP 2000 was anything to > go > by, you will not be let down as Shellac are possibly > > the best live band on the planet. If you don't agree > > you have either never seen them or think the Strokes > > are good live and we all know the Stroke(r)s are > Menswear in disguise so make sure you don't miss out > > on Shellac! > > ATP CD COMPILATION VOLUME 3 > > A brand new ATP compilation to coincide with the > Shellac curated event will be available on April > 19th > and features unreleased tracks by the likes of > Rachel's > and Bonnie Prince Billy as well as some newer acts > like > Threnody Ensemble that will blow your mind. This > will > be on sale at ATP UK along with Volumes 1 and 2 that > > featured previous curators Tortoise and Sonic Youth. > > This hits the shops in the UK on April 29th 2002. > > > Ok that's it for now, keep smiling and see you next > week for the madness of the double weekender > > Barry Hogan > ATP > www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk > ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] R&B I got mine,I got mine,I got mine ,I got mine.......need I go on?LOVE IT!Ari in North Carolina. ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] R&B review on Wireviews A review of Wire's new CD, Read and Burn, is now up on the Wireviews news page. This will be the final update for Wireviews for around four-six weeks, as I prepare to move overseas. Any emails to Wireviews will probably be dealt with in about three weeks. Please also note that Wireviews is currently in the process of shifting servers, so some downtime is expected over the next few days. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:58:29 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] no r&b / vien / the wire R&B still hasn't reached me in the US yet...man, i am getting anxious here... does anyone know a place online that is selling wir's "vien" ep? still haven't got ahold of this.... also a reason to buy the next issue of the wire magazine : "What promises to be an excellent article by Simon Ford will appear in the next issue of Wire, out next week, to coincide with the 25th anniversay of the Fall's first gig. It'll cover the Fall's earliest days up to the end of 1977, and will feature new interviews with Martin Bramah, Una Baines, Tony Friel, and Kay Carroll, plus photographs by Kevin Cummins. Simon's writing a book about the Fall, due for publication next year on Quartet." todays listening so far: symptoms - apathy gomez - bring it on stina nordenstam - this is... eno - apollo ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:25:31 -0400 From: "k erickson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Streaming Audio >>It's been bugging me for a while what Newman & Spigel's 'I'm Spaced (In)' >>sounds like and it's just clicked. Has anyone else noticed the likeness to >>Tears For Fears' 'The Waking Hour'? >> >>Tony - ---------- i assume you mean 'The Working Hour' off of _Songs from the Big Chair_. and yes, listening closely, the rhythm of Colin's singing seems in time with the singing on 'The Working Hour.' otherwise....i don't hear much similarity! by the way, isn't the _Spigel*Newman*Colin*Malka_ cd excellent?! if i had been able to do a top ten list, i might have included it! (sadly, the task proved too difficult...) kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:21:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PH & VDGG Bloody hell, I seem to have kicked something off here... Good to see other fans out there. Keith asked "what exactly is the attraction???" This month's Mojo article on VdGG which Kevin mentions (it's a fair and informative piece) has a useful quote in this regard - "Their music makes just as much sense today as it did in 1971 : perfect sense if you get it and no sense whatsoever if you don't". I've given up trying to be a missionary for PH / VdGG - I've managed to recruit exactly no people to the cause. For me, from 1971 - 75 (formative years) they / he just made so much sense - noise like I'd never heard before (that sax!), an incredible voice, lyrics which were intelligent and spoke to me, a love of throwaway riff (it's a PH trait to establish a riff which other bands would base a career around, then throw it away) and the fact that hardly anyone else liked them. The fact that both John Lydon and Mark E Smith rate him is no accident. After 78 (and Garry, I just can't agree on 'Over' - a masterpiece - although I'll grant you 'World Record's relative duffness) the fire left him to some degree, at least on record. Garry asks "any recommendations for one crucial recent Hammill thing that I ought to hear?". Hand on heart I can't say there's anything since then which is truly crucial, with the possible exception of the long-delayed version of the never performed Hammill opera 'The Fall of the House of Usher' (I can hear people leaving the room now) on which, coincidentally given recent correspondence, no less than Andy Bell of Erasure sings and puts in a good performance! 'Patience' holds up well as an album and I'm encouraged to say that the latest effort, 'What, Now' is his strongest work for some years. But most of the albums contain something of worth. Where PH is still the business is live. He still takes risks with line-up (violin, sax and guitar anyone?), mixes and matches the old stuff, playing regulars which clearly he likes with some often unpredictable choices from the back catalogue and just goes for it - the voice hasn't fallen slack (he's really thin still which doesn't equate with the power of the vocals) and he often ends with a song called 'Stranger Still' which involves him bellowing into the auditorium off-mike. He's rarely less than extraordinary, so catch him if you can, not that he's easy to find in the UK or US as he finances any gigs himself. Which brings in the Wire comparisons. There are many similarities - old enough to know better, never compromised, marginal to the culture but influential in the right ways, do it themselves, always pushing the envelope. Although Hammill isn't as funny. another the Keith NB Keith asked - 'didn't he have a track entitled 'not for Keith''. Yes, he did, a song about a friend who died. But I never took the title personally. Garry - I am envious of your Sartre. 'Pawn Hearts was the one for me too, although now I think 'Chameleon in the Shadow of the Night' is the masterpiece. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:50:58 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bristol Spurred on by the American arm's stories of driving for hours or flying to gigs I've bizarrely decided that driving 140 miles down the M1, M25 and M4 on a Friday night will be a reasonable thing to do and ordered a ticket. I'll be going with my old mate Kym too, whom you may recall played Reuters down the phone to me in 1977. Haven't got a clue about pubs though as I don't even know where the venue is! Isn't it a pub itself? Start time will be 9pm for McCluskey according to the venue website which at least gives me a fighting chance of making it on time. Who's going again? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: [idealcopy] bristol > so , the gig approaches. unless del amitri decide to play on the same night i may well put in an appearance. i sort of know bristol town centre , but not to the extent of knowing good pubs etc. anybody get any good suggestions for somewhere good and relativley near the fleece? > > last weeks NME had a pretty positive review of mccluskey (fridays support act) , worryingly they "trashed the gear" at the end of the show which i hope they spare us on friday , i can only take so much. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:55:39 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] Hello re dunstable Hi David. No, sadly as Paul points out in his comprehensive history of Dunstable gigging everywhere is now an Asda or demolished. Sad but true. You're better off in Cornwall. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Heale To: Keith Knight Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] Hello re dunstable > Hello new keith > david in cornwall here....back in early 70's i use to live in wel. gdn city > im sure we would on occassions "us Welwyn freaks" travel upto the dunstable > "CIVIC HALL" TO SEE ZEPP/BOWIE/ MOTT.ETC ETC?....MUST BE STILL THERE? > GOT TO DASH ITS EARLY MORNING WORK AND ALL THAT...DAVID > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Knight" > To: ; ""Idealcopy"" > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [idealcopy] Hello > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > > > > > > > /////well i'm from dunstable (but escaped) so hi to good ol'bedfordshire. > > you a lutonian through and through or did you actually choose to go & live > > there? have to ask these things....p > > > > > -------- > > > > No, I arrived in Luton through marriage - some 15 years ago now. I'm > from > > Bath originally, so Luton in comparison is frankly a shithole but I stay > > sane by working in London. Having said that Luton went through a strange > > short renaissance (or should that be naissance?) a few years ago when a > > music venue briefly opened and I saw The Fall and Buzzcocks play wonderful > > sets within quick succession. Unfortunately it's just a nightclub now. > At > > the same time there was a quirky week when - in a situation probably > > unparalleled outside the West End - four separate venues showed subtitled > > films in the same week only 15 minutes walk from my house! Two of those > > venues still exist. although subtitled fare tends to be spasmodic and for > > one performance only. Sadly Dunstable's famous (I say that but I can't > > remember the name offhand) music venue of the 60s / early 70s where the > > likes of the Stones and Zeppelin played is no more, not that it ever had > a > > gig on in my time here. > > > > another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:55:53 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Arctic /R&B No, Adrian it is (it's a very Adrian comment). He gets a credit on the sleeve. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cambra, Robert To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: [idealcopy] The Arctic /R&B > New Keith: >(Adrian can be heard on D&E muttering that you don't have to go > to theArctic to know it's cold).< > > And all these years I thought that was Graham. > > * * * * ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #118 *******************************