From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #113 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, April 14 2002 Volume 05 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] later [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] New FAD's ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] cool Factory collectables ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] tony wilson ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] cool Factory collectables ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] OT: Babies/Trail of the Dead ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] Hello [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Hello [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Hello ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] cool Factory collectables [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["ian.s. jackson"] Re: [idealcopy] Hello [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Hello ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later Keith wrote: > So last night we had Pet Shop Boys headlining BTW, wednesday there is a TOTP2 special about them... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:55:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries Paul, >>five or six-polar exposure...wow, why haven't i listened to this more often?! > only played the a-side today. very cool cherry red release from > 1981. when i first got it i didn't know who any of these people were, but looking at the > > sleeve today i see clive ives (from woo) was on here. it's produced by > kevin > coyne. the title track is on the a-side @45rpm, and the b-side is 9 tracks > of > home recordings and live cassettes from shows in holland in 1981. maybe > some > idealcopyists will know something about the other band members: graham > cassie, julia gilbert (related to gillian?), david and simon harper, david > knight, ashley wales, daniel whittock, john yorke.<< Five or Six are excellent - and were very much in Wire's orbit. In fact they supported Colin at his 1982 Venue show (along with The The), and the cover of their other album (a thriving and happy land) was by Russell Mills. More recently their Another Reason single was ripped off totally (note for note) by Death in Vegas (Dirge) without credit on their album. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:08:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd Michael, >>i was just looking at the new pre-releases at opal music, and i look what i saw: CRISPY AMBULANCE Scissorgun -- (UK CD album brand new full length of new material !) ... 8.49 NEW IN released 15 Apr 2002 i had no idea they were even back together ! "post punk" making a comeback? (a certain ratio came back too)<< They reformed in 1999 for a one-off gig (released as the Accessory after the fact CD on LTM) and this led to new music being recorded. They'll be playing this year - maybe in the US as well as the UK. Crispies are often (wrongly) labelled Joy Div copyists. Philosophically they were much closer to Wire, not least for the way they discarded material and almost invariably played sets of 80% new material.... www.crispyambulance.com As for ACR (who were absolutely superb at their London gig last month) they never really went away. The band never split, just hadn't done anything since 1996. The recent set featured a lot of 1980-vintage material and a new album is planned - so that could be very interetsing.... Section 25 are also recording too - though there has been no update to their site for a while. But you can download MP3s of new demos. www.section25.com Mark (unofficial PR to all things Fac!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:15:48 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries > >-paul (i'm reachin for the glaxo babies-nine months to the disco lp) c.d. > > > >what do they sound like?? > > the nine months to the disco lp is amazing... > by the time you flip it over to the b-side you're in 23 > skidoo's urban gamelan with keith levene bloody hell. remember hearing of the glaxo babies, but can't recall their stuff at all. that sounds great though. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:34:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries > Five or Six are excellent - and were very much in Wire's orbit. In fact they > supported Colin at his 1982 Venue show (along with The The) mojo collections said 'the the are to get the remastering treatment, courtsesy of sony. soul mining, infected, mind bomb, and dusk will appear in june, after a best of in may.' personally wouldn't have much from mind bomb on a the the best of, except for the sublime final track beyond love. i don't recall the world going mad about dusk, but i loved it. other news - it's been confirmed that virgin WILL re-release GSTQ in time for the queens jubillee (boxed set and greatest hits to follow). i'm not a big one for seeing old redcords in the charts again (it's a bit too 'music was better in my day'), but wouldn't it be great in the current pop idol/boy band/sacharine climate for the pistols to be in the charts (along with peaches if that was to be released after that telly ad) > More recently their Another Reason single was ripped off totally (note for > note) by Death in Vegas (Dirge) without credit on their album. > Mark god, didn't know DIV had ripped that off. i love dirge. in fact the contino sessions is one of the best albums of recent yrs IMO. keith n.p. - well i'm having a laidback sunday morning moment and playing my sweet lord. here's a question for you, why - if george harrison lost that famous court case over ripping off he's so fine - is MSL still credited (on the recent re-issue) as being written solely by george harrison? don't get that one at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:48:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd > Crispies are often (wrongly) labelled Joy Div copyists. Philosophically they > were much closer to Wire, not least for the way they discarded material and > almost invariably played sets of 80% new material.... only got platau phase myself, but thought they always seemed to be treated a bit harshly. tony wilson even said they were one factory act he didn't like. still think crispy ambulance (along with picketywitch!) is one of *the* great names for a group. > Mark (unofficial PR to all things Fac!!) mark, in case you haven't seen mojo collections the fac 'cool collectables' are as follows... fac 145 - 1985 xmas cards (#25) fac 51 - example of memorabilia fac 263 - bronze new order bust (#450) fac 175 - xmas gift 1986 - containing origami factory logo and cassette of thick pigeons blue xmas (#40) fac 1 - poster (#200) fac 86 - origami hacienda (#30) fac 151 - book, postcards, badges for festival of 10th summer (#20 the lot) fac 221 - badge (#20) keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:38:21 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later re 'Later'... >yeah. know what you're saying. it's still the best (only?) we've got >though... >keith er, ha, i honestly prefer TOTP2... ;) haven't bothered watching Later for ages... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:44:34 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New FAD's > >'Pigeonhole' (1st LP?) was disappointing, IMO. > >i agree. while i do like pigeonhole, exit body exit mind was superior. i >wish hannett had produced all of pigeonhole, not just the get better ep >tracks. > >-paul c.d. you know, i'd forgotten about EBEM (probably cos i've only got a tape of it...) and it was a lot better than Pigeonhole...a rare case of 2nd LP bettering 1st... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:53:32 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] cool Factory collectables >mark, in case you haven't seen mojo collections the fac 'cool collectables' >are as follows... >fac 145 - 1985 xmas cards (#25) >fac 51 - example of memorabilia >fac 263 - bronze new order bust (#450) >fac 175 - xmas gift 1986 - containing origami factory logo and cassette of >thick pigeons blue xmas (#40) >fac 1 - poster (#200) >fac 86 - origami hacienda (#30) >fac 151 - book, postcards, badges for festival of 10th summer (#20 the lot) >fac 221 - badge (#20) so, Mark, Keith, anyone...how much is my True Faith 94 promo 'logo-slide' puzzle worth? ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:29:27 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cool Factory collectables > >mark, in case you haven't seen mojo collections the fac 'cool collectables' > >are as follows... > >fac 145 - 1985 xmas cards (#25) > >fac 51 - example of memorabilia > >fac 263 - bronze new order bust (#450) > >fac 175 - xmas gift 1986 - containing origami factory logo and cassette of > >thick pigeons blue xmas (#40) > >fac 1 - poster (#200) > >fac 86 - origami hacienda (#30) > >fac 151 - book, postcards, badges for festival of 10th summer (#20 the lot) > >fac 221 - badge (#20) > > so, Mark, Keith, anyone...how much is my True Faith 94 promo 'logo-slide' > puzzle worth? ;) > > ian.s.j. i'll give you a quid for it... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:42:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later > re 'Later'... > >yeah. know what you're saying. it's still the best (only?) we've got > >though... > >keith > > er, ha, i honestly prefer TOTP2... ;) yeah i like it too, but it's 90% old stuff (missed can the other week). and generally when they have new performance on it's someone like ryan adams or sheryl bloody crow. I liked that 'all i wanna do' (cough) but did you see her last week. DIRE!!! (in fact, apart from soft cell and 'bedsitter' what i saw of that edition was probably the worst one i've seen - martika, mark knofler with jools holland blues orchestra. yuk.) > haven't bothered watching Later for ages... > ian.s.j. you've missed some good perfomances ian. james, the hives, new order ( a so so 'love will tear us apart' aside), spiritualised, super furries, orbital, nick cave, dreadzone, and pulp all turned in good performances last year... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:45:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] tony wilson found this quote c/o theobserverwhich sort of sums up tony wilson... 'that rare thing in popular culture: someone who has attained semi-mythic status without shedding his reputation for utter pratdom'. my personal fave wilson memory has nothing to do with music, but relates to his role as a local news presenter. on the evening that liverpool were due to play borussia munchengladbach (sic?) in some 70's european final he presented the news wearing a munchengladbach badge. it was... a) a very brave thing to do in the north west b) very amusing for us non-LFC supporters keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:22:44 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cool Factory collectables > > so, Mark, Keith, anyone...how much is my True Faith 94 promo >'logo-slide' > > puzzle worth? ;) > > > > ian.s.j. > >i'll give you a quid for it... >keith hahaha...actually its got (the best of) New Order under the puzzle, but it was going out with the True Faith remix promos at the time... any advance on a quid...? ;) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:45:58 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Hello I've been lurking here for a few weeks so I guess it's time to say hello. I'm a UK res (Luton). Another Keith unfortunately although I'll doubt I'll be as prolific as Mr Astbury. I first heard Wire down a telephone line in Christmas 77 when my friend Kym rang me to say "You must hear this" and played me 'Reuters'. He was right. I then got a very fringe involvement via another friend, Adrian, who hung around with the band and had been to school with Dave Boyd from PragVec (Adrian can be heard on D&E muttering that you don't have to go to the Arctic to know it's cold). Wire have always been among my favourite bands partly because of the music and partly because I find their attitude so appealing and funny - whenever I see them I find myself laughing a lot. I love their refusal to compromise, the intellectual jokes, the refusal to play old stuff when they reformed first time, the ascent into performance art at the end of each incarnation. Somewhat shamefully I haven't explored the solo stuff too much lately and I hope to get some feel for that here - any must-have recommendations? My top ten Wire albums would be: Pink Flag 154 Snake / Drill Chairs missing Read & Burn 01 (something of an article of faith, but I think it's great possibly because it is reminiscent of the early stuff) The Ideal copy Dome 2 The Drill D&E A-Z I'm surprised at the fact that Pink Flag is so disregarded in many lists - it still sound great to me, but if you got into them in the second incarnation I suppose the impact may not be the same. Enough for now, otherwise I'll be tempted to go on about David Lynch's women at length (Naomi Watts - what a woman! I'd recommend Mulholland Drive unreservedly to anyone interested in his work as it seems like a summation - a masterpiece). Nice to meet you all. Keith Knight ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:53:17 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Babies/Trail of the Dead Is it Stupid Babies on that Earcom sampler? Am I getting old? My sister lent me a And You Will Know Us By The Trail of The Dead (or whatever they're called) CD. I must say that I'm struggling to find a more derivative band this side of Pavement. John >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries >Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:15:48 +0100 > > > >-paul (i'm reachin for the glaxo babies-nine months to the disco lp) >c.d. > > > > > >what do they sound like?? > > > > the nine months to the disco lp is amazing... > > by the time you flip it over to the b-side you're in 23 > > skidoo's urban gamelan with keith levene > >bloody hell. remember hearing of the glaxo babies, but can't recall their >stuff at all. that sounds great though. >keith _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hello Hi another Keith,welcome to the club,I live in the u.s.a and,like you,first heard Wire when a friend come 'round with Pink Flag,although I didn't like it on first hearing,25 years later I'm (still)an ardent fan. you'll find most folk on the list are highly intelligent,with a sense of humor and a deep knowledge of music even if I don't like some of the reccommendations,(e.g i find boards of canada boring and repetetive)they're a great 'group of people' to be with.Ari(grovell grovell) - --- Keith Knight wrote: > I've been lurking here for a few weeks so I guess > it's time to say hello. > > I'm a UK res (Luton). Another Keith unfortunately > although I'll doubt I'll > be as prolific as Mr Astbury. > > I first heard Wire down a telephone line in > Christmas 77 when my friend Kym > rang me to say "You must hear this" and played me > 'Reuters'. He was right. > I then got a very fringe involvement via another > friend, Adrian, who hung > around with the band and had been to school with > Dave Boyd from PragVec > (Adrian can be heard on D&E muttering that you don't > have to go to the > Arctic to know it's cold). > > Wire have always been among my favourite bands > partly because of the music > and partly because I find their attitude so > appealing and funny - whenever I > see them I find myself laughing a lot. I love their > refusal to compromise, > the intellectual jokes, the refusal to play old > stuff when they reformed > first time, the ascent into performance art at the > end of each incarnation. > Somewhat shamefully I haven't explored the solo > stuff too much lately and I > hope to get some feel for that here - any must-have > recommendations? > > My top ten Wire albums would be: > > Pink Flag > 154 > Snake / Drill > Chairs missing > Read & Burn 01 (something of an article of faith, > but I think it's great > possibly because it is reminiscent of the early > stuff) > The Ideal copy > Dome 2 > The Drill > D&E > A-Z > > I'm surprised at the fact that Pink Flag is so > disregarded in many lists - > it still sound great to me, but if you got into them > in the second > incarnation I suppose the impact may not be the > same. > > Enough for now, otherwise I'll be tempted to go on > about David Lynch's women > at length (Naomi Watts - what a woman! I'd > recommend Mulholland Drive > unreservedly to anyone interested in his work as it > seems like a summation - > a masterpiece). > > Nice to meet you all. > > Keith Knight ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:08:29 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hello Hi new Keith, or should we better call you Knight as to avoid identification troubles? [KK?] > I've been lurking here for a few weeks so I guess it's time to say hello. > I'm a UK res (Luton). Another Keith unfortunately although I'll doubt I'll > be as prolific as Mr Astbury. > > I first heard Wire down a telephone line in Christmas 77 when my friend Kym > rang me to say "You must hear this" and played me 'Reuters'. He was right. > I then got a very fringe involvement via another friend, Adrian, who hung > around with the band and had been to school with Dave Boyd from PragVec > (Adrian can be heard on D&E muttering that you don't have to go to the > Arctic to know it's cold). Reuters is also the first thing I heard by Wire and also around the same time. So... I guess you must be in you late 30's/early 40's too then? > Wire have always been among my favourite bands partly because of the music > and partly because I find their attitude so appealing and funny - whenever I > see them I find myself laughing a lot. I love their refusal to compromise, > the intellectual jokes, the refusal to play old stuff when they reformed > first time, the ascent into performance art at the end of each incarnation. > Somewhat shamefully I haven't explored the solo stuff too much lately and I > hope to get some feel for that here - any must-have recommendations? For me definitly DOME 1 [and perhaps Bruce's Shivering Man]. But I see you HAVE some solo stuff in your list! > My top ten Wire albums would be: > > Pink Flag > 154 > Snake / Drill > Chairs missing > Read & Burn 01 (something of an article of faith, but I think it's great > possibly because it is reminiscent of the early stuff) > The Ideal copy > Dome 2 > The Drill > D&E > A-Z > > I'm surprised at the fact that Pink Flag is so disregarded in many lists - > it still sound great to me, but if you got into them in the second > incarnation I suppose the impact may not be the same. Nice list... and I agree... PF for me was the real revolution that got me hooked. It's just so hard to choose with followuppers such as CM and 154! > Enough for now, otherwise I'll be tempted to go on about David Lynch's women > at length (Naomi Watts - what a woman! I'd recommend Mulholland Drive > unreservedly to anyone interested in his work as it seems like a summation - > a masterpiece). > > Nice to meet you all. > Keith Knight Same here! Welcome on board! Bart [from the Netherlands] bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:09:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hello Welcome aboard Keith! The Brittish Tossers branch could always use one more! (hahahahah sorry..old joke..an ex member refered to the Brits of the list as Brittish Tossers...) Serious;y though, cheers to ya!!!! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:19:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hello Hi other Keith! I like Wire for a lot of the same reasons as you. Love the anticipated vote of confidence in Read & Burn BTW! Keith PS I love Pink Flag too. From: Keith Knight > I've been lurking here for a few weeks so I guess it's time to say hello. > I'm a UK res (Luton). Another Keith unfortunately although I'll doubt I'll > be as prolific as Mr Astbury. > > Wire have always been among my favourite bands partly because of the music > and partly because I find their attitude so appealing and funny - whenever I > see them I find myself laughing a lot. I love their refusal to compromise, > the intellectual jokes, the refusal to play old stuff when they reformed > first time, the ascent into performance art at the end of each incarnation. > Somewhat shamefully I haven't explored the solo stuff too much lately and I > hope to get some feel for that here - any must-have recommendations? > > My top ten Wire albums would be: > > Pink Flag > 154 > Snake / Drill > Chairs missing > Read & Burn 01 (something of an article of faith, but I think it's great > possibly because it is reminiscent of the early stuff) > The Ideal copy > Dome 2 > The Drill > D&E > A-Z > > I'm surprised at the fact that Pink Flag is so disregarded in many lists - > it still sound great to me, but if you got into them in the second > incarnation I suppose the impact may not be the same. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:23:16 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cool Factory collectables 50p HERE!!! Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com >> i'll give you a quid for it... >> keith > > hahaha...actually its got (the best of) New Order under the puzzle, but it > was going out with the True Faith remix promos at the time... > > any advance on a quid...? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:26:57 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Speaking of Factory I need a little help guys...in the past i only managed to pick up the occasional single by A Certain Ratio and Section 25...Now i am very curious about some of the albums and i have picked up a couple of Section 25 cds (Always Now and From the Hip) and one ACR cd (Force)...i would like to get most of the early stuff by by both groups but the only place i can find them is on ebay (ugh)....However i cannot afford the ridiculous bidding on ebay..can anyone out there help me with cd-r's of ANY of the following: A Certain Ratio : The Graveyard and the Ballroom To Each.. Sextet I'd Like to See You Again Section 25 - The Key of Dreams Love and Hate I would be more than happy to burn cds in return...just let me know what you are looking for and i'll let you know if i can help..Thanks ahead of time to any of the list members who can help me out...Thanks! Robert Lynn (in the USA) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:35:27 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Speaking of Factory oh yeah, and i forgot these from my list: Crispy Ambulance - Plateau Phase Scissorgun The Wake - Harmony Here Comes Everybody Thanks for any help! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:49:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums > you know, i'd forgotten about EBEM (probably cos i've only got a tape of > it...) and it was a lot better than Pigeonhole...a rare case of 2nd LP > bettering 1st... > ian.s.j. i tend to like the freshness of a lot of debut albums too, but what about... Chairs missing - wire funhouse - the stooges electric warrior - t.rex bryter layter - nick drake closer - joy division from the lions mouth - the sound vega/rev - suicide not to - colin strange days - doors power corruption lies - new order 2nd hand daylight - magazine actually - psb's this years model - elvis costello lust for life - iggy scott 2 heaven up here - bunnymen led zep 2 sulk (not counting the 4th drawer down collection) - associates halim - natacha atlas modern life is rubbish - blur fried - julian 17 seconds - cure meat is murder - smiths rhythm & stealth - leftfield metal box - pil loveless - mbv nevermind - nirvana portishead protection - massive attack for your pleasure - roxy joy 1967-70 - ultra vivid scene a couple of contentious ones maybe, but not a bad list of 2nd albums i prefer to debuts???? most disappointing 2nd album - was tempted to say 'adventure' by television cos the debut was so sublime, but i'd have to go for 'stupid stupid stupid' black grape cos the debut was great and this *certainly* wasn't. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:55:02 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums > > ...a rare case of 2nd LP bettering 1st... > > ian.s.j. > >i tend to like the freshness of a lot of debut albums too, but what >about... > >Chairs missing - wire hahaha....as soon as i typed that, i thought of Chairs Missing...but decided not to use the backspace... jesus, there's not much on the telly on a Sunday is there Keith..??!! ;) point taken though...great list of great 2nd LP's...!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:51:03 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: Re: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums A few other choices of my own: If You're Feeling Sinister - Belle & Sebastian I've Seen Everything - Trash Can Sinatras (bettered again by their third, A Happy Pocket, the finest pop album of the 90s) Steve McQueen (aka Two Wheels Good) - Prefab Sprout Sounds of Silence - Simon & Garfunkel Lincoln - They Might Be Giants Simpatico - Velocity Girl Being There - Wilco UFOrb - The Orb (or was that their third?) Far and away the most disappointing second album I've ever heard is the Stone Roses' Second Coming. I owned it for exactly 3 plays before heading off to the used shop. on 14.4.02 10:49 AM, Keith Astbury at keith.astbury10@virgin.net wrote: > Chairs missing - wire > funhouse - the stooges > electric warrior - t.rex > bryter layter - nick drake > closer - joy division > from the lions mouth - the sound > vega/rev - suicide > not to - colin > strange days - doors > power corruption lies - new order > 2nd hand daylight - magazine > actually - psb's > this years model - elvis costello > lust for life - iggy > scott 2 > heaven up here - bunnymen > led zep 2 > sulk (not counting the 4th drawer down collection) - associates > halim - natacha atlas > modern life is rubbish - blur > fried - julian > 17 seconds - cure > meat is murder - smiths > rhythm & stealth - leftfield > metal box - pil > loveless - mbv > nevermind - nirvana > portishead > protection - massive attack > for your pleasure - roxy > joy 1967-70 - ultra vivid scene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:14:50 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 >Bloody hell, Scousers arguing about John Lennon! > >Eh! Eh! Caaaalm down, caalm down!!! > >Mark ;-) hahahahaha.....but...... considering one 'Scouser' was born in the Lake District and the 'other' lives in North Wales, and therefore there's a good chance of him not being born anywhere near dear old Liverpool, perhaps this is stretching things slightly Mr.Bursa?????? ;0) (note to everyone else...Mark is the only Copyist to have met me, so he knows that i 'sound' like i was born at the edge of the Mersey...la...) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hello How about 'Sir Keith'Ari - --- Bart van Damme wrote: > Hi new Keith, or should we better call you Knight as > to avoid identification > troubles? [KK?] > > > > I've been lurking here for a few weeks so I guess > it's time to say hello. > > > I'm a UK res (Luton). Another Keith unfortunately > although I'll doubt I'll > > be as prolific as Mr Astbury. > > > > I first heard Wire down a telephone line in > Christmas 77 when my friend Kym > > rang me to say "You must hear this" and played me > 'Reuters'. He was right. > > I then got a very fringe involvement via another > friend, Adrian, who hung > > around with the band and had been to school with > Dave Boyd from PragVec > > (Adrian can be heard on D&E muttering that you > don't have to go to the > > Arctic to know it's cold). > > > Reuters is also the first thing I heard by Wire and > also around the same > time. So... I guess you must be in you late > 30's/early 40's too then? > > > > Wire have always been among my favourite bands > partly because of the music > > and partly because I find their attitude so > appealing and funny - whenever I > > see them I find myself laughing a lot. I love > their refusal to compromise, > > the intellectual jokes, the refusal to play old > stuff when they reformed > > first time, the ascent into performance art at the > end of each incarnation. > > Somewhat shamefully I haven't explored the solo > stuff too much lately and I > > hope to get some feel for that here - any > must-have recommendations? > > > For me definitly DOME 1 [and perhaps Bruce's > Shivering Man]. But I see you > HAVE some solo stuff in your list! > > > > My top ten Wire albums would be: > > > > Pink Flag > > 154 > > Snake / Drill > > Chairs missing > > Read & Burn 01 (something of an article of faith, > but I think it's great > > possibly because it is reminiscent of the early > stuff) > > The Ideal copy > > Dome 2 > > The Drill > > D&E > > A-Z > > > > I'm surprised at the fact that Pink Flag is so > disregarded in many lists - > > it still sound great to me, but if you got into > them in the second > > incarnation I suppose the impact may not be the > same. > > > Nice list... and I agree... PF for me was the real > revolution that got me > hooked. It's just so hard to choose with > followuppers such as CM and 154! > > > > Enough for now, otherwise I'll be tempted to go on > about David Lynch's women > > at length (Naomi Watts - what a woman! I'd > recommend Mulholland Drive > > unreservedly to anyone interested in his work as > it seems like a summation - > > a masterpiece). > > > > Nice to meet you all. > > > Keith Knight > > > Same here! Welcome on board! > > Bart [from the Netherlands] > bartvandamme@home.nl > http://www.bartvandamme.com ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:42:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hello > How about 'Sir Keith'Ari > --- Bart van Damme wrote: > > Hi new Keith, or should we better call you Knight as > > to avoid identification > > troubles? [KK?] awww!!!! can't i be sir keith??? her majesty reliably informs me that the knighthoods just a matter of time... any ideas other keith? keith > > > > > > > I've been lurking here for a few weeks so I guess > > it's time to say hello. > > > > > I'm a UK res (Luton). Another Keith unfortunately > > although I'll doubt I'll > > > be as prolific as Mr Astbury. > > > > > > I first heard Wire down a telephone line in > > Christmas 77 when my friend Kym > > > rang me to say "You must hear this" and played me > > 'Reuters'. He was right. > > > I then got a very fringe involvement via another > > friend, Adrian, who hung > > > around with the band and had been to school with > > Dave Boyd from PragVec > > > (Adrian can be heard on D&E muttering that you > > don't have to go to the > > > Arctic to know it's cold). > > > > > > Reuters is also the first thing I heard by Wire and > > also around the same > > time. So... I guess you must be in you late > > 30's/early 40's too then? > > > > > > > Wire have always been among my favourite bands > > partly because of the music > > > and partly because I find their attitude so > > appealing and funny - whenever I > > > see them I find myself laughing a lot. I love > > their refusal to compromise, > > > the intellectual jokes, the refusal to play old > > stuff when they reformed > > > first time, the ascent into performance art at the > > end of each incarnation. > > > Somewhat shamefully I haven't explored the solo > > stuff too much lately and I > > > hope to get some feel for that here - any > > must-have recommendations? > > > > > > For me definitly DOME 1 [and perhaps Bruce's > > Shivering Man]. But I see you > > HAVE some solo stuff in your list! > > > > > > > My top ten Wire albums would be: > > > > > > Pink Flag > > > 154 > > > Snake / Drill > > > Chairs missing > > > Read & Burn 01 (something of an article of faith, > > but I think it's great > > > possibly because it is reminiscent of the early > > stuff) > > > The Ideal copy > > > Dome 2 > > > The Drill > > > D&E > > > A-Z > > > > > > I'm surprised at the fact that Pink Flag is so > > disregarded in many lists - > > > it still sound great to me, but if you got into > > them in the second > > > incarnation I suppose the impact may not be the > > same. > > > > > > Nice list... and I agree... PF for me was the real > > revolution that got me > > hooked. It's just so hard to choose with > > followuppers such as CM and 154! > > > > > > > Enough for now, otherwise I'll be tempted to go on > > about David Lynch's women > > > at length (Naomi Watts - what a woman! I'd > > recommend Mulholland Drive > > > unreservedly to anyone interested in his work as > > it seems like a summation - > > > a masterpiece). > > > > > > Nice to meet you all. > > > > > Keith Knight > > > > > > Same here! Welcome on board! > > > > Bart [from the Netherlands] > > bartvandamme@home.nl > > http://www.bartvandamme.com > > > ===== > everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:53:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums From: Neil Soiseth > Far and away the most disappointing second album I've ever heard is the > Stone Roses' Second Coming. I owned it for exactly 3 plays before heading > off to the used shop. i seem to be one of the few people who doesn't like the first one either! keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:59:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Babies/Trail of the Dead > Is it Stupid Babies on that Earcom sampler? > weren't stupid babies the ones who sang 'i hate babysitters' (featured a very young adamski). a record that used to tickle me. > Am I getting old? My sister lent me a And You Will Know Us By The Trail of > The Dead (or whatever they're called) CD. I must say that I'm struggling to > find a more derivative band this side of Pavement. > John the one i've got is *very* sonic youth at times...still i'm impressed that your sister likes them. mine likes runrig... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:55:46 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums > > Far and away the most disappointing second album I've ever heard is the > > Stone Roses' Second Coming. I owned it for exactly 3 plays before >heading > > off to the used shop. > >i seem to be one of the few people who doesn't like the first one either! >keith me too... 'fake Scousers of the world, unite and take over...' ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:01:45 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Trail of the Dead (sic) > > Am I getting old? My sister lent me a And You Will Know Us By The Trail >of The Dead (or whatever they're called) CD. I must say that I'm >struggling to find a more derivative band this side of Pavement. > > John its '...Trail Of Dead', no extra 'The' ;) i have the 1st LP and you're not wrong John. if you dig Sonic Youth circa 'Sister/Daydream Nation' then you'll love these guys. haven't heard the new (3rd) one yet, but i gather it's more of the same... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:05:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Sunday Listening Good to see all my ideal copy friends chatting away this morning!..The rain has subsided and out comes the sun here in the beautiful midwest (USA) and so far this fine morning (been up since yesterday!) i have listened to: Billy MacKenzie-Beyond the Sun David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees Erasure - Loveboat Pet Shop Boys - Release (love it more and more with each listen) Lee Perry & the Upsetters - Super Ape Return of the Super Ape Dave Angel - Classics (one of the best Brit techno artists ever) Robert Wyatt - The Animals Film started spring cleaning of the messy house...so i'm getting ready to pop on: Magazine - Scree (b-sides collection) Ultravox - Hahaha John Foxx- Pleasures of Electricity New Order - Brotherhood Wire- Manscape gotta love the 5cd carousel changer.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:08:49 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums In a message dated 4/14/02 12:00:34 PM Central Daylight Time, nsoiseth@shaw.ca writes: > UFOrb - The Orb (or was that their third?) > actually that was a compilation and it was their seventh album if you count the FFWD cd and the Live cd big Orb fan, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:09:55 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] classic 2nd albums In a message dated 4/14/02 12:00:34 PM Central Daylight Time, nsoiseth@shaw.ca writes: > 17 seconds - cure > hmmmm...never been sure about this one...i actually like the 1st album a lot...but Faith (the third) the best..... Robert ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #113 *******************************