From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #112 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, April 14 2002 Volume 05 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] wire tour [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] wirasure ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 [PaulRabjohn@aol.] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: OIL BIZ [achha singh ] Re: [idealcopy] Glam Peaks [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Mulholland Drive [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] what's for lynch? [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] later [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT : The now [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] wirasure [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] wirasure ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] wirasure [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] later ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] later [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] later ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd [Rain19c@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:30:59 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire tour << But they did! The 2000 U.S. tour was Seattle, San Francisco x 2, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Washington DC, and New York. It's not exactly playing the greater sheds of North America, but it was far more than just NYC.<< Which is a damn sight more than we got in the UK - London x4, Nottingham, ATPx2 and Edinburgh. Non-UK European gigs - Dublin and ..er.... Malingerers. Get in that Transit and play the Hebden Bridge Trades club and Northampton Roadmenders. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:59:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > Nope, the Wirral (home of the Woolly) is in England. Wales (home of the > Woolly sheep) starts on the other side of the River Dee... > Mark i take off my hat to you mark. you know your rivers. mind you i think you once said you came from blackpool, and my dad always used to say that if you look from holywell area over the river dee - on a clear day - you can see blackpool tower. never managed it myself though. > << Doesn't Wales more or less begin [or end] at the other side of the > Mersey and doesn't that make you a whoolyback then Keith? ;-) i've been called worse things! (the woolly sheep one was close...) keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:03:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > << SCOUSERS??? > > I'm a welsh boy > (albeit of the non-welsh speaking variety that sounds scouse to other > people - don't tell me that even my e-mails sound scouse!) >> > > Well at no point did they sound Welsh! > > Mark (whose emails exude grim northernness tempered by years of living daahn > saarf) DIOLCH Y FAWR!!! (That's thank you in Welsh!) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:07:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B > >Minus punk rock points for not rhyming Comet with vomit. >>mark > i can't wait to get this. who will be the first u.s. resident to see it?!? > -paul (not very punk, but i rhymed "for certain" with "dispersin") c.d. > > p.s. while on the rhyme topic...stephin merritt doesn't believe in > following the "rhyming rules" in jim webb's book "tunesmith, the art of > songwriting" that discourage ending a line with a word like "silver"...he > says "i'm perfectly willing to rhyme silver with pilfered" > i'm rather partial to the following rhyme: "the first girl i ever loved i don't recognise her nose is bent her frame is smashed she's covered in flies" marc bolan (venus loon, zinc alloy LP 1974) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:09:37 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries >my life with the thrill kill kult - first cut one of my favorite bands back around '91, before they lost (in my estimation) all their quasi-industrial age with sexplosion (though their memphis show supporting that lp remains one of my favorites.) sex on wheelz is the last thing of theirs that turned my head, though it's barely a patch on the colossal daisy chain 4 satan. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:13:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] wire tour the only > other North American cities that might be added to a > future tour would be > Atlanta, Toronto, and maybe Detroit or Cleveland. > > later, > > Miles Why is it always Cleveland??? I don't drive three hours to see anyone! Billy ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:19:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wirasure > > > (i'm also quite partial to > > > that erasure b-side wir did > > > > Generally not good, although I quite like it. The > > music is pretty good and the guitar riff is great. > > Could have done without the singing, but there you go. > > > I'm one of the listmembers that likes that track too. It's pretty amazing > what Wir did. > This track, even though it may not be everyone's cup of tea, is important > in that it was one of the reasons that Wire reformed - Bruce, Graham and > Colin realized during these sessions that they actually enjoyed playing > music with each other, and there was still something there after all that > time apart. >Paul i always thought that it was a really cool thing to do. you're the ex-members of a defunct critically acclaimed and much revered band, and you get together just to do a b-side for another act - esp. a successful pop act. really cool in fact...(i inc. this track on a tape for someone once and he was horrified when he saw i'd put a lengthy erasure track on. 'whats he doing??? though he actually quite liked it afterwards) personally i don't like erasure at all - apart from 'sometimes' - mainly cos i don't like the voice, but even that sounds good when backed by wir. (i actually like the abba tribute act bjorn again's version of 'a little respect' cos without whathisnames voice, you realise that vince, not for the first time, has written a rather decent pop song...i think he needs alf back myself) keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:15:30 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries >dan said >> np: velvet goldmine soundtrack (car listening before the ill-fated bill >> nelson venture was the glam crazee comp, complete with *ahem* tiger feet, >> angel face, new york groove, my coo ca choo & can the can, among others >... >> none of which, i might point out, i'd ever heard before picking up this >tape > >this is quite striking to a forty one yr old british bloke. these were big >records over here in my youth. i still love the bolan, bowie, roxy side of >glam, but i was sort of, ahem, in love with suzi quatro at the age of 12, >13...haven't heard angel face in a very long time, but i know i'll like it. >it was their first (and best) 45 and i'm a sucker for the glitterbeat. just >a shame that their 'leader' turned out the way he did and made listening to >his records 'not the done thing'. 'rock & roll pt 2' was such a great >record. > >> [which also marked my initial exposure to t rex's sublime metal guru > >if you like that and you haven't got 'the slider' album already, then it's >well worth your while. 'electric warrior' is, of course, even better. oh, yeah -- picked up the extended-version cd sometime back. ditto for the whatever (30th?)-anniversary reissue of electric warrior. excellent. other than a few hearings of get it on on the radio when i was a kid (though i didn't know what it was or who did it till i heard it on an oldies broadcast well over a decade later), i'd say my exposure to t. rex came through bauhaus' cover of telegram sam (a song i don't particularly like, for some reason), the bongos' take on mambo sun, & of course eater's version of jeepster. & then there's the resurrection of the warlock tribute cd ... what a great version of ride a black swan, & the hoedown version of get it on isn't to be missed. > >>& my >> epiphanistic reintroduction to son of my father after wondering for nigh >> unto 30 years just what that chorus i'd heard a bit of on the radio once >as >> a kid could've possibly been from], as the acts in question were complete >> nonentities over here.) > >still haven't forgiven chicory tip for knocking 'telegram sam' off the top >spot after a meagre 2 wks... >actually 'son of my father' was apparently an early giorgio moroder >production and effectively introduced the 'moog synthesiser' to british pop >fans. one of their later singles was called 'good grief christina' which i >think is a great title (don't recall the song being that hot though!) >keith if memory serves, moroder actually originally *did* son of my father, & chicory tip's version includes some botched attempts to replicate his accented lyrics ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:17:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries In a message dated 4/13/02 1:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << >my life with the thrill kill kult - first cut one of my favorite bands back around '91, before they lost (in my estimation) all their quasi-industrial age with sexplosion (though their memphis show supporting that lp remains one of my favorites.) sex on wheelz is the last thing of theirs that turned my head, though it's barely a patch on the colossal daisy chain 4 satan. dan >> I second that! the first two TKK albums and singles are great, then they just lost me... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:25:16 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire tour At 11:13 AM 4/13/2002 -0700, Mr Grumpy wrote: >the only >> other North American cities that might be added to a >> future tour would be >> Atlanta, Toronto, and maybe Detroit or Cleveland. >> >> later, >> >> Miles > >Why is it always Cleveland??? I don't drive three >hours to see anyone! The other cities are just me making guesses as to possible adds. They may not add any cities to the 2000 itinerary -- heck, they may even play fewer dates, I dunno. My few concert experiences in Cleveland have led me to believe that it's a good place to play -- enthusiastic crowds, good atmosphere at the gigs. BTW, where are you? later, Miles, who has driven four hours to Atlanta to see lots of people, timed his London visit to see Wire at the RFH, and timed his 2000 SF visit to see Wire twice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:27:58 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 In a message dated 13/04/02 14:22:22 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Bloody hell, Scousers arguing about John Lennon! > > Eh! Eh! Caaaalm down, caalm down!!! > > Mark ;-) ///// this reminds me of a pretty sad moment on last nights "later" where tony wilson (piqued at being ignored in favour of the 2 actors playing barney & shaun) made a lame attempt at controversy by referring to lennon as a "scouse misogynist" whilst claiming shaun ryder was the best lyricist since dylan. er , never realised the mondays were such pillars of political correctness , i guess all that penthouse stuff was an ironic gesture that went sailing over my head. bit lame really , hope he's not losing his touch. ........and shouldn't the pet shop boys come with a warning not to drive or operate machinery whilst listening to them? just a thought. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:32:20 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries : > ><< >my life with the thrill kill kult - first cut > > > one of my favorite bands back around '91, before they lost (in my > estimation) all their quasi-industrial age ummm ... make that "quasi-industrial EDGE" dan, dreading work ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:34:31 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire tour >At 11:13 AM 4/13/2002 -0700, Mr Grumpy wrote: > >the only > >> other North American cities that might be added to a > >> future tour would be > >> Atlanta, Toronto, and maybe Detroit or Cleveland. > >> > >> later, > >> > >> Miles > > > >Why is it always Cleveland??? I don't drive three > >hours to see anyone! > >The other cities are just me making guesses as to possible adds. They may >not add any cities to the 2000 itinerary -- heck, they may even play fewer >dates, I dunno. > >My few concert experiences in Cleveland have led me to believe that it's a >good place to play -- enthusiastic crowds, good atmosphere at the gigs. > >BTW, where are you? > >later, > >Miles, >who has driven four hours to Atlanta to see >lots of people, timed his London visit to >see Wire at the RFH, and timed his 2000 SF >visit to see Wire twice indeed. i've driven 10 or so hours to chicago to see the buzzcocks, flown there to see wire, driven 5 hours to see the cure ... an atlanta stop would be nice, as it's only 3 hours or so from montgomery, assuming i haven't extracted myself from this dire pit in the meantime. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:27:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries > << >my life with the thrill kill kult - first cut > > one of my favorite bands back around '91, before they lost (in my > estimation) all their quasi-industrial age with sexplosion (though their > memphis show supporting that lp remains one of my favorites.) sex on wheelz > is the last thing of theirs that turned my head, though it's barely a patch > on the colossal daisy chain 4 satan. > > dan >> > > I second that! the first two TKK albums and singles are great, then they just > lost me... > > RL what's that great disco toon with the 'get your hard ass over here' refrain called (and what was that bass line they sampled. just can't put my finger on it). i always thought that should have been a smash. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT) From: achha singh Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: OIL BIZ This from snopes.com, an excellent debunking site: "Claim: Spurning gasoline from Shell, Chevron, Texaco, Exxon, and Mobil will cut off the funding of terrorists. 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Nor do oil companies sell only gasoline to their own branded stations -- that a consumer buys gasoline at a non-Shell service station is no guarantee that the gasoline didn't come from Shell, or that it wasn't refined from Middle Eastern crude. Last updated: 12 February 2002 The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/nogas.htm Click here to e-mail this page to a friend Urban Legends Reference Pages ) 1995-2002 by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson This material may not be reproduced without permission - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sources: Forero, Juan. "Venezuela's New Oil Law Is Seen as a Risk to Growth." The New York Times. 4 December 2001 (p. A10). " I'll go back to lurking now... A.S. born in Saudi, still awaiting my oil money! Yahoo! 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MESSAGE NO.1 > ///// this reminds me of a pretty sad moment on last nights "later" where > tony wilson (piqued at being ignored in favour of the 2 actors playing barney > & shaun) made a lame attempt at controversy by referring to lennon as a > "scouse misogynist" he's a card isn't he. > ........and shouldn't the pet shop boys come with a warning not to drive or > operate machinery whilst listening to them? just a thought. p i thought they were pretty good myself...and talking of lyrics we had one of the psb's finest ever last night: 'i left for the station with a haversack and some trepidation' ('being boring') keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT) From: achha singh Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: OIL BIZ I actually make a post, and now that I read on I see Robert already sent in the same thing! Now I MUST go back to lurking! Cheers! A.S. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:45:00 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glam Peaks Paul wrote: > back to the real OT subject though, i also liked sheryl lee as the good witch > in wild at heart. very cute idea. Indeed Paul! And I liked the fact she presented "I love 1991" [or was it 1992?] on the BBC a couple of months ago. You could tell she really liked presenting it... Weird though eh... nostalgia-shows about less than 10 years ago. What's next... "I remember last month?" Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:54:47 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Mulholland Drive Cool! Thnxalot for the review Paul! :-) I hope it's still running in the theatres here... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com >> Yep, he sure has! I still haven't seen Mulholland Drive I'm sad to say... >> Is >> it any good, anyone? > Well, it *is* a David Lynch film, so hopefully you know what you're in for. > (^_^) > That being said, it started out as a pilot episode for a film noir-ish > series to run on American television. So, for the first two thirds of the > film, many plot threads are begun - many of which are never resolved. It's > also almost "G" rated - which is the American all ages film rating. I can > see why the TV network execs freaked - it very loosely fits the definition > of film noir - but it would have been an amazing series, nonetheless. > > Then, the film slips into a pretty hard "R" rating - American "under 17 not > admitted without adult" - and the trademark "Lynch-isms" take over in full > force for the final third of the movie. > > I'd give it a pretty high rating. The disjointedness between the earlier > pilot material, and the "specific to the film" material might spoil it for > some, or make it incredible for others. This is one of those films that > you'll have to watch a number of times to pick up on all that David was > trying to accomplish. (There's even a sheet with "10 clues to unlocking > the movie" by David himself.) > > Cheers, > Paul > > P.S. Oh yeah, the DVD has no chapter stops - the whole movie is one long > chapter. This was done per David's request - he has this *thing* about > interrupting movies. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:05:34 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] MOJO COLLECTIONS the spring mojo collections mag is with us and may be of interest to some ic-ers. brian wilson cover (and visit to his home , plus the making of 'holland' - the LP bart!) factory records rarities joy division bootlegs a beginners guide to mark e smith entitled 'how to buy the fall' (i would have thought you'd just go in and says 'can i have an album by the fall-ah') incidentally finally got an album today that i've been meaning to buy for YEARS - bowie's pin-ups, the one 70's DB LP i'd never bought for some reason - the fact it was covers probably. i certainly know more of the songs than i would have done at the time. (i actually got introduced to the pretty things 'rosalyn' via marc riley & the creepers on the late 80's 'rock'n'roll liquorice flavour' album). still, only knocking on thirty yrs too late getting it... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:14:41 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wirasure Keith wrote: > personally i don't like erasure at all - apart from 'sometimes' - mainly cos > i don't like the voice, but even that sounds good when backed by wir. I agree, I don't like the voice either. I wonder if, without the Wire-connection, people here would still think Erasure was worth anything. It's a bit the King Midas effect innit? Colin touched it so it must be.... To me it's sounds like Boy George-music - nothing to dislike particularly, but nothing to take too seriously either. Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:26:37 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] what's for lynch? Paul wrote: > p.p.s. bringing it round to david lynch again, also in the 69 lovesongs book, > there is mention of a lynch show called "on the air"...anyone ever see that? > i seem to have missed it. Haven't seen it either, but this is what I googled: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2093/air.html On The Air is Lynch's second TV series. ABC canceled it after 3 of 7 episodes. Lynch directed and wrote with Mark Frost the pilot episode. He wrote the last Episode with Robert Engels but did not direct it. This halfhour situation comedy series is set in the year 1957. The Zoblotnick Broadcasting Company (ZBC) launches the new "Lester Guy Show". A bunch of lovely "morons and halfwits, dolts, dunces, dullards and dumbbells" makes sure that everything runs smoothly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:26:31 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later In a message dated 4/13/02 4:22:31 AM Central Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Damn... I forgot all about it! Is there a rerun "later" in the week? > > Bart > bartvandamme@home.nl > http://www.bartvandamme.com > > > > pretty good start to the new series of 'later' -cornershop, doves (what > an > > uncool looking band, but new stuff sounds promising if not as doomy as > the 1st > > album) and the pet shop boys who did 'home & dry', 'being boring', 'love > is a > > catastrophe' and a rather nifty version of 'west end girls'. wish chris > lowe > > would stand up though - it doesn't look right when the coolest man in pop > sits > > down! > > and no the psb's didn't have so solid crew in a fight. northern lads with > a > > band or not, they were simply outnumbered. don't hold your breath for > next > > week though - stereophonics, badly drawn boy and del amitri which is > hardly > > the brian wilson/wire dream line up that someone (tim?) hoped for... > > keith > What is the "Later" show? and is this a european thang or do we get this show here in the states?? RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:36:10 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : The now Hi Paul & John I think I can help here. I went to grammer school in Peterborough with The Now.I fact their bass player Matthew Gillett was in my class.I bought one of the first copies of their debut single Development Corporations but I don't have the other one Paul mentioned. The single was written as at the time the New Town of Peterborough was being blighted by the politically corrupt & financially inept Peterborough Development Corporation & it was a local hit anyway as it struck a chord with the yoof of the day including myself.1978 nearly 25 years ago !! Christ. Anyway I've no idea what happened to Matt & the others.Sudden Sway were also popular & somewhere I've a few singles by them somewhere but I'll have to dig them out.If you want a copy made of the single just shout. Note to Robert Lynn your Dalek I Love You was sent last week. Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:08:42 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wirasure O my ! Another claim to fame. Andy Bell of Erasure went to my school as well.So that's The Now 7 the singer of Erasure.It is actually a Cathedral chorister school so that may mean something...or not. A story... In the The Dog In A Doublet Pub & Restaurant near Whittlesey Peterborough I was queueing for it's Sunday carvery.This was about 1991/1992 & blow me down in front of me was none other than Andy Bell at the height of his fame.He was queueing with his (presumed boyfriend) & his Mum & Dad who I also presume he was visiting & taking out for a nice quiet Sunday lunch. Once the word got round out came the tape of the piped music & on came Erasures latest ditty.I wonder how he felt ? Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:22:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wirasure > O my ! Another claim to fame. > Andy Bell of Erasure went to my school as well.So that's The Now 7 the > singer of Erasure.It is actually a Cathedral chorister school so that may > mean something...or not. bloody hell. the most famous ex-pupils at my old school are a couple of lads who went on to play football for wrexham... (oh yeah and a miss u.k. who came about 3rd or 4th in miss world circa 1980) > A story... In the The Dog In A Doublet Pub & Restaurant near Whittlesey > Peterborough I was queueing for it's Sunday carvery. THE DOG IN A DOUBLET??? What sort of name is that Chris? And what's a doublet??? keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:20:51 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wirasure In a message dated 14/04/2002 00:16:06 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > THE DOG IN A DOUBLET??? > What sort of name is that Chris? And what's a doublet??? > keith > It's what it says.A doublet ..or jacket that a dog wears.You know like a greyhound or terrier I think.Anyway on the pub sign there's a dog with a sort of tunic type thing on ! PS Didn't have "Girls" at my school till after the year I left . Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:39:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later > > Damn... I forgot all about it! Is there a rerun "later" in the week? > > Bart > > > pretty good start to the new series of 'later' -cornershop, doves (what an > > > uncool looking band, but new stuff sounds promising if not as doomy as the 1st > > > album) and the pet shop boys... > > > keith > What is the "Later" show? and is this a european thang or do we get this show > here in the states?? > RL 'Later' is just about the only current UK music show of any note. It started about 9-10 yrs and last night started it's 19th (I think!) run. It's presented by Jools Holland who's well known in his own right over here now, but may be best known in the States as the original keyboard player in Squeeze. The format goes something like this. All the bands are in position at the start rather than come on stage (positioned in a big circle), and they all play the short opening number together (usually some old blues thing or something) at the same time as The camera pans round and films each act performing a few secs of the track. And then Jools introduces the acts which he has said basically conforms to the following - big current act, fair to middling act, bit of a legend, and upcoming act. oh yeah, he usually has a chat with a guest or two (and Jools is a terrible interviewer) when he shows them some ancient clip of them or their 'idol', and a quick word with the odd celeb in the audience. (actually i quite like the interviews - particularly when you get some ancient soul singer who appears to have lived life just a little too much and who grins and talks complete bollocks back to jules. Percy Sledge say) Anyway, although there's something a little too reverential/worthy about the programme, it has featured just about everyone since it's conception - from Tim Rose to the Hives, New Order to an acoustic Hall & Oates last year - all performing at least one number. Tim mentioned that he thought it'd be great if Wire and Brian Wilson were on this series and although they probably won't be, it's entirely possible that you could get them on the same show as say, McCluskey and Robbie Williams - which is probably the beauty of the show. So last night we had Pet Shop Boys headlining (hence their four numbers), Cornershop, Doves, India Arie and the So Solid Crew. and Jools had a chat with Neil Tennent and showed a clip of Neil with hair doing 'Opportunities' from donkeys years ago, and had a quick chat with Tony Wilson and a couple of '24 Hour Party People' actors. It's also had the odd 'special' for the likes of Oasis, Moby and Radiohead. And that, in a very big nutshell, is 'later'. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:41:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later Keith, << And then Jools introduces the acts which he has said basically conforms to the following - big current act, fair to middling act, bit of a legend, and upcoming act. >> Don't forget the token "world music" act that only gets one song.... Unfortunately Later is very much the domain of the big record label - one suspects the Later booker's contacts book is none too big. So someone completely independent like Wire, or the Fall, or a "legendary" act without a current release (eg Television last year, which would have been perfect as they were in London) would struggle to get on. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:01:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later > Keith, > > << And then Jools introduces the acts which he has said basically conforms to > the following - big current act, fair to middling act, bit of a legend, and > upcoming act. >> > > Unfortunately Later is very much the domain of the big record label - one > suspects the Later booker's contacts book is none too big. i don't know whether he still is but the producer used to be mark cooper who wrote a book many yrs ago called 'liverpool explodes' about the city's early 80's scene. Shame he's never had julian on then really. i'm sure it'd be no trouble for him to pop there and perform a couple of solo numbers (or, god forbid, turn up with his 'ambient metal' band, brain donor). > completely independent like Wire, or the Fall, or a "legendary" act without a > current release (eg Television last year, which would have been perfect as > they were in London) would struggle to get on. > Mark yeah. know what you're saying. it's still the best (only?) we've got though... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:29:48 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries In a message dated 4/12/02 10:16:45 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >-paul (i'm reachin for the glaxo babies-nine months to the disco lp) c.d. > >>>>> > >what do they sound like?? the nine months to the disco lp is amazing, i wish i'd listened to it a lot more throughout the 90's. i really had forgotten this one. starts out like bauhaus and a certain ratio clashing at an all night party where apb showed up and got sloshed. then it quickly turns to almost free jazz with underlying diy postpunk, and by the time you flip it over to the b-side you're in 23 skidoo's urban gamelan with keith levene, then as it ends you're back with what you started with, only ted milton has shown up at the party with a very excited and mute jools holland. first dig through the ol' vinyl turned up the following: dislocation dance-rosemary 12"...this is the kinda stuff i wish they always did. i may put on the midnight shift lp tomorrow, but they kinda turned from that wonderful quirky post punk progressive pop of the 12" to a slicker, more brazilian jazz soundtrack to a summer movie sorta thing on the lp (if i'm remembering it right). eddie & sunshine-perfect strangers...i remember back in 83-84 thinking they were gonna be the next big thing. heh. a little too weird i guess, and listening to it now i'm first noticing a little bit o devo in their sound. otherwise, i always thought they made harmless, fun, pop songs...my wife didn't think so today though. hunters & collectors-the living daylight ep...run of the mill aussie new wave a la midnight oil and inxs and...didn't do much for me today. i know i have a 7" of theirs that i used to like a lot though, so i'll probably give that a spin tomorrow too. five or six-polar exposure...wow, why haven't i listened to this more often?! only played the a-side today. very cool cherry red release from 1981. when i first got it i didn't know who any of these people were, but looking at the sleeve today i see clive ives (from woo) was on here. it's produced by kevin coyne. the title track is on the a-side @45rpm, and the b-side is 9 tracks of home recordings and live cassettes from shows in holland in 1981. maybe some idealcopyists will know something about the other band members: graham cassie, julia gilbert (related to gillian?), david and simon harper, david knight, ashley wales, daniel whittock, john yorke. i didn't even get to the 7"ers today, nor the 12"ers from N-Z, which are a bit tougher to get to than A-L. geez, this music appreciation stuff is a rough business ;o) - -paul c.d. p.s. thanks to those of you who supplied david lynch-on the air info :o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:28:31 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT: new crispy ambulance cd i was just looking at the new pre-releases at opal music, and i look what i saw: CRISPY AMBULANCE Scissorgun -- (UK CD album brand new full length of new material !) ... 8.49 NEW IN released 15 Apr 2002 i had no idea they were even back together ! "post punk" making a comeback? (a certain ratio came back too) ~michael ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #112 *******************************