From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #111 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, April 13 2002 Volume 05 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] town crier curtisdead/ ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] New FAD's ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] town crier curtisdead/ ["David Heale" ] Re: [idealcopy] later [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] another Wire cover [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation ["Andrew Lumbard" <] Re: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation [PaulRabjohn@aol.co] [idealcopy] Re: IC - R+B ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] later [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["ian.s. jackson"] Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT : The now ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] OT: recent re-discoveries and other threads... ["Keith As] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 [Bart van Damme <] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["David Heale" ] Re: [idealcopy] Glam Peaks [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] New FAD's [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] R&B [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] wire tour [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] [OT] Mulholland Drive ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] [OT] On The Air ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] wirasure ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:48:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] town crier curtisdead/ > i've not seen this 24hrs. film just read all your emails about it...but knew > of the town crier episode.... > IT SOUNDED LIKE A TYPICAL T.WILSON MOVE .. To me. As ever a little over > verbose ; over demonstrative and with perhaps a little to much eye on the > keen statement and the future need to continue mythology in the r'nr > tradition. > Ho Ho > cheers david in cornwall does anyone actually believe that 'blue monday' story - apparently the packaging was so expensive that new order/factory lost money on every single copy they sold (they just didn't expect it to sell that well - yeah yeah, they were just some unknown band before then weren't they...don't think so) i looked at my copy yesterday and whilst it's ok, it's not *that* special. still the papers reel this story out time after time and it seems to have become 'fact'. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:50:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glam Peaks > >that david lynch has a keen eye or two > > And, he keeps them in a jar by the door... > > (Sorry, couldn't resist.(^_^)) > > Speaking of David Lynch's eye, I think Naomi Watts from Mulholland Drive is > pretty stunning. He sure does know how to cast beautiful women. > Paul what about the delectable log woman??? keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:52:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation > 94 mails later....? Am I the only one to have received it? looks like it's everyone round to andy's house. get the kettle on. we're on our way... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:50:11 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Nightingales/Prefects John Roberts wrote : >I don't know if you realise but the Nightingales are reforming to play in >Birmingham in a couple of weeks time. See >http://www.dot-dash.freeserve.co.uk/nightingales.html > >I think I'm right in saying that Paul Rabjohn and Mark Bursa are attending, >as am I. God, i wish i could make this one, having missed the previous outings, but there's very little chance i'm afraid... further to this, for anyone interested, there's a re-release of Prefects classics via mail-order (one of the old Nightingales, Paul Apperley, i think). there's probably a link to it via the 'Gales address that John posted above...haven't checked it out though. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:58:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 2nd Length > This track is so powerful. Reminds me of the manic energy on > Colin's A-Z album with better focus. Cranked up loud, it's the perfect > way to annoy your neighbors! > Cheers, > Paul "YOUNG MAN!!!!" ;-) Bart [who has two elderly single ladies [80+] as neighbours] bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:58:31 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] New FAD's > > New FADS. Criminally underrated band. Though they didn't help >themselves > > by trying to get dragged into the Madchester thing. > > > > /////i never liked em much at the time , but their track on "mute tonal >evidence" is great (in a sort of madchester way) p grreat live band (note to Keith. saw them once at the Tivoli in Buckley and they 'rocked the house'...). 'Big' still sounds like a classic, the 12" version having a truly awesome 'acid-house' remix. could have been bigger, but i don't think they had enough, er, 'ammunition' to go any further than they did, 'Pigeonhole' (1st LP?) was disappointing, IMO. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:59:00 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] town crier curtisdead/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "David Heale" ; Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] town crier curtisdead/ > > i've not seen this 24hrs. film just read all your emails about it...but > knew > > of the town crier episode.... > > IT SOUNDED LIKE A TYPICAL T.WILSON MOVE .. To me. As ever a little > over > > verbose ; over demonstrative and with perhaps a little to much eye on the > > keen statement and the future need to continue mythology in the r'nr > > tradition. > > Ho Ho > > cheers david in cornwall > > does anyone actually believe that 'blue monday' story - apparently the > packaging was so expensive that new order/factory lost money on every single > copy they sold (they just didn't expect it to sell that well - yeah yeah, > they were just some unknown band before then weren't they...don't think so) > i looked at my copy yesterday and whilst it's ok, it's not *that* special. > still the papers reel this story out time after time and it seems to have > become 'fact'. > keith > saturday morning... checking mail..SPOT ON KEITH I can't say i really dislike Twilson.... its just that he's a bit to SELF consciuos.... and more than a bit prone to re writing history... to cover mistakes weakness etc..... but; you get the feeling that he has instigated a lot... pulled and lot together.. in the "mover-shaker" mold.... the smell of the entrepenuer lingers... must dash. i want my breakfast! david cornwall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:02:12 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nightingales/Prefects.. can anyone tape this gig??? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian.s. jackson" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Nightingales/Prefects > John Roberts wrote : > >I don't know if you realise but the Nightingales are reforming to play in > >Birmingham in a couple of weeks time. See > >http://www.dot-dash.freeserve.co.uk/nightingales.html > > > >I think I'm right in saying that Paul Rabjohn and Mark Bursa are attending, > >as am I. > > God, i wish i could make this one, having missed the previous outings, but > there's very little chance i'm afraid... > > further to this, for anyone interested, there's a re-release of Prefects > classics via mail-order (one of the old Nightingales, Paul Apperley, i > think). there's probably a link to it via the 'Gales address that John > posted above...haven't checked it out though. > > ian.s.j. > can anyone tape this re-union gig......i can't get there... a long term gale's fan cheers david in cornwall > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:19:23 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glam Peaks >> Madchen Amick > > bart, you have fine taste. my heart skips a beat, even when i just read her > name, hehe > > -paul ( but heather graham turned out quite fine in recent years, though, > didn't she... that david lynch has a keen eye or two) c.d. Yep, he sure has! I still haven't seen Mulholland Drive I'm sad to say... Is it any good, anyone? about Lynch's new [10$ a month] site: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0203/04.davidlynch.php http://www.davidlynch.com Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:22:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later Damn... I forgot all about it! Is there a rerun "later" in the week? Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > pretty good start to the new series of 'later' -cornershop, doves (what an > uncool looking band, but new stuff sounds promising if not as doomy as the 1st > album) and the pet shop boys who did 'home & dry', 'being boring', 'love is a > catastrophe' and a rather nifty version of 'west end girls'. wish chris lowe > would stand up though - it doesn't look right when the coolest man in pop sits > down! > and no the psb's didn't have so solid crew in a fight. northern lads with a > band or not, they were simply outnumbered. don't hold your breath for next > week though - stereophonics, badly drawn boy and del amitri which is hardly > the brian wilson/wire dream line up that someone (tim?) hoped for... > keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:30:33 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation > Bart asked >>> Hey, I did too! But it's a pre-order, isn't it? Coming out next week I >>> thought... >>> >>> Cheers, Andrew: > Well mine arrived yesterday and is currently starting what will probably be > it's heavy rotation. Anybody else got Bruce in Red Ink? > 94 mails to read and see who else has received thier dose of R&B You lucky Brits! Mine has to cross the whole fucking Channel first! It ain't fair! ;-) But tell me, tell me... is it any good? Cheers... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:38:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation "I'm just a jealous guy" [Lennon] I8-[ Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > 94 mails later....? Am I the only one to have received it? > Been playing on repeat for an hour now. Comet is stand out track for me. > Hang on though Agfers of Kodack might be growing more. Nice fuzzy guitar > over strong driving beat. > > AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:40:35 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glam Peaks >>> that david lynch has a keen eye or two >> >> And, he keeps them in a jar by the door... >> >> (Sorry, couldn't resist.(^_^)) >> >> Speaking of David Lynch's eye, I think Naomi Watts from Mulholland Drive > is >> pretty stunning. He sure does know how to cast beautiful women. >> Paul > > what about the delectable log woman??? > keith Whatever your taste is, Keith! ;-) Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:45:09 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another Wire cover Did you play this yourself Andy? If not, who is it? Hard to even recognize the song... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > All this talk about fischerspooner reminded me of another Wire cover I > had lying around. Check it out: > > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/queue-outdoorminer.wav > > Note that it's a WAV file, not an MP3 file. It's about 9.7 MB and 1 > minute long. The chord progression is the same as Outdoor Miner, but > otherwise it's quite different. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:25:32 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation Keith's on his way;- >> > 94 mails later....? Am I the only one to have received it? >> >> looks like it's everyone round to andy's house. get the kettle >> on. we're on >> our way... >> keith lol. How many sugars? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:42:35 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B arrived.....now in heavy rotation yep , mine's here too. and on one listen , quite splendid.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:51:50 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: IC - R+B First impression, pretty good Second impression, excellent! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:51:06 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] later always re-runs late sunday night. worth taping. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:52:43 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 >yeah but don't you think lennon made up for it with... >'light a cigarette >and think of sir walter raleigh >he was such a stupid gett' >classic. >keith a pedant replies... it actually goes,'...i'll have another cigarette, and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get...' consider your wrists well and truly slapped, Keith...!!! ;0) sorry, but it's one of my favourite lines ever...!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:14:27 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries The singles were excellent eps. Then the album came out and it was a bit too geared towards a Madchester buying public. The inevitable backlash came and their second album Body Exit Mind suffered accordingly saleswise. I seem to remember it getting great reviews in which it was likened to Joy Division. It is a very good album though I'd fall short of talking it up to that league. John >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: , , > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:26:25 +0100 > > > > New FADS. Criminally underrated band. Though they didn't help >themselves > > > by trying to get dragged into the Madchester thing. > > > > > > /////i never liked em much at the time , but their track on "mute >tonal > > > evidence" is great (in a sort of madchester way) p > >peel used to play them a lot, but i only ever got the 'music is shit' e.p. >(lead track 'beam me up' sounded pretty good today). saw them live round >that time and although they were never gonna be my favourite band, i was >pretty impressed. >keith _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:17:31 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries the track i've got is called "partial" ; is that a single or an album track. that name didn't help much really , did it?p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:46:36 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: recent re-discoveries and other threads... Partial is on the first LP, Pigeonhole. As others have mentioned a bit of a let down after the singles - nowhere near as frantic. The album version of Big isn't as good as the single version Ian mentioned. The gig me, Paul and Mark went to was Alternative TV in Coventry. I can't remember the support band's name, Les Desperadoes or something, but they did such an appalling cover of Life on Mars that Mark nearly swallowed his pint glass, whole. The Gary Valentine book got a good review in the Guardian. I'm currently reading the Richard Hell novel Go Now. It's ok if you like junkie novels but I wouldn't go out of my way to read it. An early single by the SOUND is up for sale at Rough Trade shops for #3. Can't remember which one sorry. Went to see Brian Appleton's Let's Look at Sound (prev. Jilted John, John Shuttleworth) last night in Leicester. If he comes your way worth venturing out for. Opening line: 'Let's look at sound. Bit daft really when you think about it cos you can't see it. In fact, I'm surprised so many of you have turned up...' http://www.brianappleton.co.uk John >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >To: johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com, keith.astbury10@virgin.net, >idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries >Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:17:31 EDT > >the track i've got is called "partial" ; is that a single or an album >track. >that name didn't help much really , did it?p _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] wire tour I don't know if anyone on the list has any 'push' in communicating with Wire,but if you're out there maybe you could suggest that this time at least they 'do' more than N.Y.C,last time they were here I'd loved to have seen them,but finding the time when you are running a business or attending college or when you might live on the 'other side' of the nation isn't going to work for many of us,a bit like doing a european tour and only playing Florence. just a thought.Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:11:19 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : The now Paul Will you settle for a picture of one of the covers? http://www.thisispunkrock.btinternet.co.uk/ps/uk/1/now.htm Come on then... who are they now? Cheers John >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] OT : The now >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:19:12 EDT > >todays dumb query. i am looking to get (or at least hear) 2 1978 singles by >the now , "development corporations" and "into the 80's". . anyone got or >ever heard these? p > >ps golden anorak to whoever can say what (not very) famous band the now >morphed into....... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:15:56 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: recent re-discoveries and other threads... In a message dated 13/04/02 12:46:49 GMT Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > The gig me, Paul and Mark went to was Alternative TV in Coventry. I can't > remember the support band's name, Les Desperadoes or something, but they > did > such an appalling cover of Life on Mars that Mark nearly swallowed his pint > glass, whole. ////los paralyticos john ; how can you forget such an experience. they were nearly as laughable as the prog act at 93 ft east , tho its a close call.p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:22:22 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : The now In a message dated 13/04/02 13:15:36 GMT Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: > Come on then... who are they now? > > /////well this lot apparently became sudden sway ; looks like a punk act to > me i guess in that incarnation? i looked up s/s on google and got put onto > a site of (ahem) great rock bands from peterborough. which apparently is > where this lot came from...... i think those 2 singles are pretty rare , > can't say that cover rings any bells. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:42:58 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Pere Ubu (Re: Top 10 not in any order) Fergus Kelly wrote: >Some records getting a fair bit of play recently: [...] >Pere Ubu: Song of the bailing man (Cooking Vinyl) Love that album! My top 3 PU albums would probably be Worlds in Collision, Modern Dance and Song of the Bailing Man. Just love "West side story", especially the xylophone part in the end of the song. Have you heard David Thomas's new solo works? He records with Andy Diagram (ex-James) and Keith Mouline as David Thomas and Two pale boys. He also had a good record with some Danish jazz-rockers The Foreigners called "Bay City". While I can't say I liked the whole album too much, there is one song on it - "Charlotte" - which is just great. Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:43:27 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: recent re-discoveries and other threads... << The gig me, Paul and Mark went to was Alternative TV in Coventry. I can't remember the support band's name, Les Desperadoes or something, but they did such an appalling cover of Life on Mars that Mark nearly swallowed his pint glass, whole.<< Los Paralyticos. Wanchewfreefaw!!!!! >> Went to see Brian Appleton's Let's Look at Sound (prev. Jilted John, John Shuttleworth) last night in Leicester. If he comes your way worth venturing out for. Opening line: 'Let's look at sound. Bit daft really when you think about it cos you can't see it. In fact, I'm surprised so many of you have turned up...' http://www.brianappleton.co.uk >> Or as Viz describe his creator: Graham "John 'Jilted John' Shuttleworth" Fellows Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:22:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > >yeah but don't you think lennon made up for it with... > >'light a cigarette > >and think of sir walter raleigh > >he was such a stupid gett' > >classic. > >keith > > a pedant replies... > > it actually goes,'...i'll have another cigarette, and curse Sir Walter > Raleigh, he was such a stupid get...' > > consider your wrists well and truly slapped, Keith...!!! ;0) > sorry, but it's one of my favourite lines ever...!!! > > ian.s.j. in my defence your worship, i haven't heard in a while (and i couldn't be bothered looking it up). yep a great line... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:25:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire tour > a bit like doing a > european tour and only playing Florence. > just a thought.Ari ah, but what a city to play. k. > > ===== > everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:21:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 Bloody hell, Scousers arguing about John Lennon! Eh! Eh! Caaaalm down, caalm down!!! Mark ;-) << >yeah but don't you think lennon made up for it with... > >'light a cigarette > >and think of sir walter raleigh > >he was such a stupid gett' > >classic. > >keith > > a pedant replies... > > it actually goes,'...i'll have another cigarette, and curse Sir Walter > Raleigh, he was such a stupid get...' > > consider your wrists well and truly slapped, Keith...!!! ;0) > sorry, but it's one of my favourite lines ever...!!! > > ian.s.j. in my defence your worship, i haven't heard in a while (and i couldn't be bothered looking it up). yep a great line... keith >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:44:37 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: recent re-discoveries and other threads... > The gig me, Paul and Mark went to was Alternative TV in Coventry. I can't > remember the support band's name, Les Desperadoes or something, but they did > such an appalling cover of Life on Mars that Mark nearly swallowed his pint > glass, whole. there was a glam rock tribute group called the gutterband who used to play in these parts a lot in the early 90's. they were cartoonlike and a bit puerile, but they used to go down a storm. they mainly played G.G. songs, but they'd fit the odd other song in like 'hot love' or 'this town aint big enough'. their one slowie was 'life on mars?' which they played pretty straight, except that when it came to the guitar solo, the guitarist would be stuck to a wheel and then spun round like a knife throwers assistant - and though i saw them 3-4 times, i never once saw him make even a minor cock-up as he slowly spun mid-solo! impressive in a daft sort of way! > Went to see Brian Appleton's Let's Look at Sound (prev. Jilted John, John > Shuttleworth) last night in Leicester. If he comes your way worth venturing > out for. Opening line: 'Let's look at sound. Bit daft really when you > think about it cos you can't see it. In fact, I'm surprised so many of you > have turned up...' http://www.brianappleton.co.uk > > John i'm gutted about missing him. jilted john's 'true love stories' is something of a fave of mine (baz's party reminds me of my youth). i heard a few eps of brian appletons radio series, where he tries to convince his students that he was the inspiration behind 'classic' rock songs like '8 miles high' (the byrds apparently heard him messing with his melodica at an airport and went away and wrote the psychadelic stuff) and my personal fave 'maggie may' where he says a young grave digger in london in the 60's heard the little brian trying to bring a maggot back to life - hence the first line 'wake up maggot i think i've got something to say to you!' very silly. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:50:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > Bloody hell, Scousers arguing about John Lennon! > > Eh! Eh! Caaaalm down, caalm down!!! > > Mark ;-) SCOUSERS??? I'm a welsh boy (albeit of the non-welsh speaking variety that sounds scouse to other people - don't tell me that even my e-mails sound scouse!) keith ps anyway isn't ian a woollyback??? (for the benefit of our non uk friends that's what people from liverpool call people from the other side of the river mersey...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:51:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B Arrived today - and is on heavy rotation... Comet & In the Art of Stopping we've heard - those MP3s didn't do the production justice at all! Standout track - Agfers of Kodack, not least for the storming Lewis vocal - the angriest he's done since Sand in my joints. The moment where it drops out just before Colin comes in with the chorus is pure magic. I don't understand is the version of Ally in Exile Wire played in Edinburgh in 12/00 with new words (sorry, text;-) What a strange trip Ally in Exile has had - never recorded properly in its day, it spawned Art of Persistence on the 3rd day (a failed attempt to recreate it which became a new song with new lyrics). It reappeared in Edinburgh with new backingreminiscent of advantage in height (Advantage in Exile?) & the old words reinstated. Now the words have gone again... Germ Ship was the other new song played at the Edinburgh gig - the main difference is the words are whispered rather than hollered. The bass line is Idiot Joy Showland by the Fall!! Hats off to Mr Newman for achieving a production that is both cleas as a whistle and dirty as fuck. Minus punk rock points for not rhyming Comet with vomit. Los Paralyticos wouldn't have missed that one... Couldn't be any other band... Genius Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:13:47 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 Keith wrote: > ps anyway isn't ian a woollyback??? (for the benefit of our non uk friends > that's what people from liverpool call people from the other side of the > river mersey...) Doesn't Wales more or less begin [or end] at the other side of the Mersey and doesn't that make you a whoolyback then Keith? ;-) Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:37:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 Nope, the Wirral (home of the Woolly) is in England. Wales (home of the Woolly sheep) starts on the other side of the River Dee... Mark << Doesn't Wales more or less begin [or end] at the other side of the Mersey and doesn't that make you a whoolyback then Keith? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:47:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 << SCOUSERS??? I'm a welsh boy (albeit of the non-welsh speaking variety that sounds scouse to other people - don't tell me that even my e-mails sound scouse!) >> Well at no point did they sound Welsh! Mark (whose emails exude grim northernness tempered by years of living daahn saarf) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:51:11 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > Bloody hell, Scousers arguing about John Lennon! > > Eh! Eh! Caaaalm down, caalm down!!! > > Mark ;-) > > << >yeah but don't you think lennon made up for it with... > > >'light a cigarette > > >and think of sir walter raleigh > > >he was such a stupid gett' > > >classic. > > >keith > > > > a pedant replies... > > > > it actually goes,'...i'll have another cigarette, and curse Sir Walter > > Raleigh, he was such a stupid get...' > > > > consider your wrists well and truly slapped, Keith...!!! ;0) > > sorry, but it's one of my favourite lines ever...!!! > > > > ian.s.j. > > in my defence your worship, i haven't heard in a while (and i couldn't be > bothered looking it up). > yep a great line... > keith >> > now now you two sort yourself out.......... no sqaubbling in the ranks.... lets keep an orderly line and all that!! keep chattering cheers david in cornwall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:04:12 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > Nope, the Wirral (home of the Woolly) is in England. Wales (home of the > Woolly sheep) starts on the other side of the River Dee... > > Mark > > << Doesn't Wales more or less begin [or end] at the other side of the > Mersey and doesn't that make you a whoolyback then Keith? ;-) > when ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:15:43 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > Nope, the Wirral (home of the Woolly) is in England. Wales (home of the > Woolly sheep) starts on the other side of the River Dee... > > Mark > > << Doesn't Wales more or less begin [or end] at the other side of the > Mersey and doesn't that make you a whoolyback then Keith? ;-) >>> That was my "more or less" ;-) Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] wirasure > (i'm also quite partial to > that erasure b-side wir did even though i - > what's the lists feeling on that > particular track?) Generally not good, although I quite like it. The music is pretty good and the guitar riff is great. Could have done without the singing, but there you go. Then again, I got it for a quid off eBay, so I didn't exactly splash out for it. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:54:51 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glam Peaks In a message dated 4/13/02 4:45:48 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > >what about the delectable log woman??? hehehe, i met the log lady in "twin peaks" (a.k.a. snoqualmie falls, wa) and the one armed man...now he's a real looker ;o) back to the real OT subject though, i also liked sheryl lee as the good witch in wild at heart. very cute idea. - -paul (i never thought i'd use "cute" to describe anything lynchian) c.d. p.s. watched boxing helena again last night. not such a good movie, but i couldn't turn it off anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:59:56 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New FAD's In a message dated 4/13/02 4:59:04 AM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: >'Pigeonhole' (1st LP?) was disappointing, IMO. i agree. while i do like pigeonhole, exit body exit mind was superior. i wish hannett had produced all of pigeonhole, not just the get better ep tracks. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:35:48 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B In a message dated 4/13/02 9:52:42 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >Minus punk rock points for not rhyming Comet with vomit. lol i can't wait to get this. who will be the first u.s. resident to see it?!? - -paul (not very punk, but i rhymed "for certain" with "dispersin") c.d. p.s. while on the rhyme topic...enjoyed reading in the book that comes with magnetic fields 69 love songs, that stephin merritt doesn't believe in following the "rhyming rules" in jim webb's book "tunesmith, the art of songwriting" that discourage ending a line with a word like "silver"...he says "i'm perfectly willing to rhyme silver with pilfered" p.p.s. bringing it round to david lynch again, also in the 69 lovesongs book, there is mention of a lynch show called "on the air"...anyone ever see that? i seem to have missed it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:05:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire tour At 04:54 AM 4/13/2002 -0700, Ari Britt wrote: >I don't know if anyone on the list has any 'push' in >communicating with Wire,but if you're out there maybe >you could suggest that this time at least they 'do' >more than N.Y.C, But they did! The 2000 U.S. tour was Seattle, San Francisco x 2, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Washington DC, and New York. It's not exactly playing the greater sheds of North America, but it was far more than just NYC. While we can always hope for more and agitate for more North American stops and venues (not with the band! but with local promoters, publications, etc.), keep in mind that since Wire is financing all their current endeavors themselves, future tour itineraries will have stops only where there is a very good chance that they will make a profit. I don't have the inside scoop on this, but I'd think that given this criterion, the only other North American cities that might be added to a future tour would be Atlanta, Toronto, and maybe Detroit or Cleveland. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:59:44 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Mulholland Drive > Yep, he sure has! I still haven't seen Mulholland Drive I'm sad to say... Is > it any good, anyone? > Well, it *is* a David Lynch film, so hopefully you know what you're in for. (^_^) That being said, it started out as a pilot episode for a film noir-ish series to run on American television. So, for the first two thirds of the film, many plot threads are begun - many of which are never resolved. It's also almost "G" rated - which is the American all ages film rating. I can see why the TV network execs freaked - it very loosely fits the definition of film noir - but it would have been an amazing series, nonetheless. Then, the film slips into a pretty hard "R" rating - American "under 17 not admitted without adult" - and the trademark "Lynch-isms" take over in full force for the final third of the movie. I'd give it a pretty high rating. The disjointedness between the earlier pilot material, and the "specific to the film" material might spoil it for some, or make it incredible for others. This is one of those films that you'll have to watch a number of times to pick up on all that David was trying to accomplish. (There's even a sheet with "10 clues to unlocking the movie" by David himself.) Cheers, Paul P.S. Oh yeah, the DVD has no chapter stops - the whole movie is one long chapter. This was done per David's request - he has this *thing* about interrupting movies. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:10:54 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] On The Air > p.p.s. bringing it round to david lynch again, also in the 69 lovesongs book, > there is mention of a lynch show called "on the air"...anyone ever see that? > i seem to have missed it. Well, you weren't the only one. Back when Lynch/Frost productions were an active concern, they actually pitched a second TV series to ABC television here in the U.S. Only, unlike Twin Peaks, this was a comedy. "On The Air" managed three or four episodes before it was yanked. (I actually have the tapes I made off the air somewhere for the exact count - but it's too hard to go and look for them right now.) It concered the (mis)adventures of a live TV show in 1957 designed as a comeback vehicle for a faded actor named Lester Guy - portrayed by Ian Buchanan, who was Richard 'Dick' Tremayne in Twin Peaks. In fact, there are a number of Twin Peaks alumni in the show, including Miguel Ferrer. It was one of the most surreal TV shows ever aired on ABC. It *was* funny, in a odd, David Lynch like way. I was mesmerized, so of course, ABC canceled it. There were a total of 7 episodes (according to IMDB) made. I have them all on tape from a Japanese LaserDisc release - you should be able to find them if you hunt around. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:19:53 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wirasure > > (i'm also quite partial to > > that erasure b-side wir did even though i - > > what's the lists feeling on that > > particular track?) > > Generally not good, although I quite like it. The > music is pretty good and the guitar riff is great. > Could have done without the singing, but there you go. > I'm one of the listmembers that likes that track too. It's pretty amazing what Wir did. They took a typical "Hi-NRG" Erasure track, snipped out everything but a fragment of the chorus, and rebuilt it from scratch. If you play the Wir version against the Erasure original, you wouldn't recognize them as the same track at all! In particular, I really like the cool, subtle shift in the tone about half-way thru. The "band" makes an instinctive, flawless switch, which is even more amazing if you consider that it was recorded basically live. This track, even though it may not be everyone's cup of tea, is important in that it was one of the reasons that Wire reformed - Bruce, Graham and Colin realized during these sessions that they actually enjoyed playing music with each other, and there was still something there after all that time apart. (At least I remember reading something like this in interviews around that time.) Cheers, Paul P.S. I paid full import price for it, so there you go! (^_^) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #111 *******************************