From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #107 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 11 2002 Volume 05 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] re: Bristol ticket info [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] "Pink-Flag-in-a-Jar" ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] this months BOC ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: oyez oyez [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] town crier curtisdead/ ["David Heale" ] Re: [idealcopy] Gentlemen, Start your Zeitgeists [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: OIL BIZ [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums ["Steve" ] Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] KREV ["janjnoorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] real player ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] cover of "The 15th" [Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] re: Bristol ticket info Further to Andrew's info tickets are available online @ www.bristolticketshop.co.uk later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:50:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: the pink flag in a jar > Obviously the idea is... > you take your flag-in-a-jar > to the pub and put it on > the table next to your pint and > your fags and that's how listers > recognise each other... > > A bloody hell. if you took a pink flag in a jar to a pub round here, you'd get your brains pummelled! keith > ************************************************************************* > The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. 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Ari--- Alistair Tear wrote: > Obviously the idea is... > you take your flag-in-a-jar > to the pub and put it on > the table next to your pint and > your fags and that's how listers > recognise each other... > > > later > > A > ************************************************************************* > > The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files > are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are > addressed. Transport for London Street Management > hereby excludes any > warranty and any liability as to the quality or > accuracy of the contents of > this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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I think that 'The Original > > Soundtrack' is a very underrated album! > > > not as good as the earlier 'sheet music' - pretty barbed stuff (wallstreet > shuffle, the worst band in the world, silly love). a classic of it's kind. > keith i was thinking about 'silly love' yesterday and remembered that the lyrics included... 'when romance depends on cliches and toupee's and threepee's' it must be up there with elvis costello's 'trust' era gem ('she's got eyes like saucers, she must be a dish') as the worst pun in the history of pop. keith > > ===== > > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > > PO Box 7770 > > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > > t: (831) 425-7335 > > f: (831) 425-7356 > > http://3rproductions.com > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:20:00 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 Keith wrote >>it must be up there with elvis costello's 'trust' era gem ('she's got eyes like saucers, she must be a dish') as the worst pun in the history of pop. Or Julian Cope's 'woke up in the fireplace - slept like a log...' A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:26:30 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Top 10 not in any order That top 10 I posted yesterday is not actually in any order as I love 'em all equally, for various reasons. Here it is... again: 154, Chairs Missing, MZUI, 3R4, Dome 1 - 3 (4 is not bad, but just doesn't quite cut it for me, it's overproduced too), This Way, A - Z, Not to, Catch Supposes. Some records getting a fair bit of play recently: Fela Kuti: Original Sufferhead/International Thief Thief (Barclay/Universal) This Heat: Deceit (These) Pere Ubu: Song of the bailing man (Cooking Vinyl) The Red Crayola: Soldier Talk (Radar) Cheers Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:44:16 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Gentlemen, Start your Zeitgeists [Apologies to Miles: I submitted this with the wrong headers, ignore the earlier one. :) ] And after the revenge of the VUs and Television (the Strokes), 80s disco makes a comeback. :) The NME, as is its wont, is talking up a new scene it's dubbed "electroclash" (aka "synthcore"/"nouveau disco"): at the centre of this are a pair of performance artists / musicians, who go by the name of Fischerspooner. Now, basically this scene (centred on the International Deejay Gigolos and City Rockers labels) is the sound of early 80s electro, once again, with some minor concessions to modernity: it's floor-filling, totally synthetic, disco (think an unholy splicing of Kraftwerk and Soft Cell, as a starting point...) So much so hype; but the aforementioned Fischerspooner just signed to Ministry (the label of the club), for _two million pounds_. *TWO* *million* pounds. This piqued my interest somewhat, so I went and had a look at their website. There was some downloadable music, including their (apparent) anthem, "Emerge" (http://www.fischerspooner.com/emerge.mp3) - which ain't bad, remarkably enough. It's a good pop single, much as Gonzales' "Take Me to Broadway" (Gonzales being on the fringe of this scene) was. (As an aside: it's worth noting that when the overground is nu-metal, the underground becomes flamboyant (and more than slightly camp) disco. Who said contrariness was passe?) Anyway, there was another track there for download: The 15th. Yes, *that* The 15th. http://www.fischerspooner.com/the15th.mp3 Any reactions, apart from moderate shellshock? I'm trying to get my head around the concept that the most hyped artists around at the moment are a bunch of Wire-covering Situationist disco pranksters, but it's definitely a state of affairs which beats the hell out of Limp Bizkit... Andrew - -- "The carving and paring of the land; the quarter square, the graph divides, Beneath the rule a country hides..." - Wire, "Map Ref 41 deg N 93 deg W" ('154') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:00:14 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape >That shoulda read-I think you have to be British to >FULLY appreciate Manscape.(?)Ari That's a very valid point, as others have already said. There are probably more time-and-space specific references on that album than any of the others. >To the smoky rooms where they piss their time >To the `alright boys?' spelt with no rhyme >To all the ploys as dumb as mine I'll say... goodbye. Seems to sum up the joys and sorrows (the latter, mainly) of English pub culture better than anything else I can think of. But you do have to have experienced it to understand what they are on about. Probably. >Re 24 hr party people: >I still don't get the 'Town Cryer' bit...anyone else?! As a Britttisher and therefore inevitably an empiricist I took it literally - assumed that T Wilson was doing some naff local news feature about the town crier (it looked like Chester- historic place not far from Manchester) when he got the news about Ian Curtis. In the shock of bereavement he may really have got the crier to shout the news. Is there any more to it than that? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:11:08 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "Pink-Flag-in-a-Jar" Well... I've put Chairs Missing first too Robert and I couldn't agree with ypu more! ;-) Cheers, Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl > Finally someone has filled their #1 spot as I would. But how could I choose > #s 2 - 10? An interesting list from Andrew. "Chairs Missing" is Wire's > strangest, most surreal album and that's why it's my all-time fave. > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:24:07 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] re: the pink flag in a jar - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Heale" To: "Keith Astbury" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: the pink flag in a jar > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Astbury" > To: "Alistair Tear" ; "Wire (E-mail)" > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: the pink flag in a jar > > > > > Obviously the idea is... > > > you take your flag-in-a-jar > > > to the pub and put it on > > > the table next to your pint and > > > your fags and that's how listers > > > recognise each other... > > > > > > A > > > > bloody hell. if you took a pink flag in a jar to a pub round here, you'd > get > > your brains pummelled! > > keith > > Hello again: pretty much the same response would be served up down here > in cream tea&pasty land. > > the noly thing you put in a jar down here is your false teeth at night.... > > All the wire top ten stuff has really wetted my appetite for get more > recent wire releases into my collection...HELP!!! > i lost my way with wire around 1989.... drillep/ bell is a cup era.... put > it down to the sound of little pattering feet coming into my life/nappies > and all that..... > would anyone attempt to point me direction of few key releases of last 10 - > 12 years . if that is possible > It;s not like they(wire) ever went away really ... i just didnt get around > to buy..stuff ????I can't work out why now... anyway less of me going on. > cheers david in cornwall > > > > >for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > > > addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any > > > warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents > > of > > > this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the > > intended > > > recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and > that > > > any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail > is > > > strictly prohibited. > > > > > > If you have received this e-mail in error please notify > > > postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. > > > > > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for t > he > > > presence of computer viruses. > > > > ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:41:23 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: top 10 wire albums Syarzhuk wrote: > 1. Pink Flag > 2. The First Letter > 3. The Drill > 4. 8 time > 5. A-Z > 6. Insiding > 7. Not to > 8. Document & Eyewitness > 9. He Said Hail > 10. Chairs Missing Not bad Syarzhuk... on 1 & 2 you've got their entire career! :-) [untill R&B is released, that is] Not many people have included The Drill - Such a fine and revolutionary album! Cheers, Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:55:51 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] life in the manscape... Rick wrote: > PS - Just ordered "Read and Burn" and "Swim Team #2" > last night! Has anyone on the list received it yet?? Hey, I did too! But it's a pre-order, isn't it? Coming out next week I thought... Cheers, Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:06:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape > >Re 24 hr party people: > >I still don't get the 'Town Cryer' bit...anyone else?! > > As a Britttisher and therefore inevitably an empiricist I took it > literally - assumed that T Wilson was doing some naff local news feature > about the town crier (it looked like Chester- historic place not far > from Manchester) when he got the news about Ian Curtis. In the shock of > bereavement he may really have got the crier to shout the news. Is > there any more to it than that? > > Howard > just as a little aside here howard, i live near chester and worked in a shop there round that period (1979-80) - though i'd just moved away when curtis actually died. around this time there was indeed a town cryer, although at some time around then, the town crier was entered by chester council into what was basically an international town cryer championship. so the chester town cryer went off to some european country (exact details escape me after all this time) and then never came back! i seem to remember the story was that he'd met a 'young lady' out there, though maybe he just had a bettter offer. anyway, the bottom line was that chester was minus a town cryer for some time. incidentally, i don't think they bother with one nowadays (despite the amount of american tourists that chester attracts who used to gather round and watch) as i haven't seen one there for years. i did, however, see a roman centurian talking to a group of school kids a couple of years, before leading them away with the rather chilling call 'lets go to war!'. who said it's boring in the provinces??? keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:09:20 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape Oi, you lot, stop revealing the plot! I'm going to see it tonight.... Bruce Willis is a ghost at the end of the Sixth Sense y'know... or something. Mark ;-) << > >Re 24 hr party people: > >I still don't get the 'Town Cryer' bit...anyone else?! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:11:10 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] this months BOC Keith wrote: > free cd with track off boards of canada new lp (been looking forward to > hearing them since their mentions here) I just got CDR's of Boards of Canada [Music has the Right to Children], Royksopp [Melody A.M.] and Cornelius [Point] I have to listen a bit more, but they sound promising... Cheers, Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:16:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape > > >Re 24 hr party people: > > >I still don't get the 'Town Cryer' bit...anyone else?! > > about the town crier (it looked like Chester- historic place not far > > from Manchester) when he got the news about Ian Curtis. In the shock of > > bereavement he may really have got the crier to shout the news. Is > > there any more to it than that? > > Howard > just as a little aside here howard, i live near chester and worked in a shop > there round that period (1979-80) - though i'd just moved away when curtis > actually died. perhaps i should have mentioned that there is no way that the chester town cryer would have announced the death of ian curtis (that's if he wasn't shagging in europe at that time - the town cryer not curtis), as he never announced real news, just 'olde' mumbo jumbo. in other words he used to talk bollocks which is pretty much what i'm doing now really... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:26:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Manscape > Oi, you lot, stop revealing the plot! I'm going to see it tonight.... > > Mark ;-) you know the plot mark. ian curtis dies and then everyone starts wearing baggy pants and goes round saying 'sound'. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:21:04 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: oyez oyez Keith, nice one centurion! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:10:42 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: [idealcopy] town crier curtisdead/ this has definately been spoken of by tony wilson on uk tv!! i've not seen this 24hrs. film just read all your emails about it...but knew of the town crier episode.... IT SOUNDED LIKE A TYPICAL T.WILSON MOVE .. To me. As ever a little over verbose ; over demonstrative and with perhaps a little to much eye on the keen statement and the future need to continue mythology in the r'nr tradition. Ho Ho cheers david in cornwall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:19 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] cover of "The 15th" Our friend Patrick Vandenberghe of Ultra Magazine has alerted me to Fischerspooner's cover of "The 15th." You can find it at . Incidentally, Patrick has done an extensive Graham Lewis interview for Ultra . If you haven't read it already, you probably oughta. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Gentlemen, Start your Zeitgeists In a message dated 4/11/02 5:44:34 AM Central Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: << The NME, as is its wont, is talking up a new scene it's dubbed "electroclash" (aka "synthcore"/"nouveau disco"): at the centre of this are a pair of performance artists / musicians, who go by the name of Fischerspooner. Now, basically this scene (centred on the International Deejay Gigolos and City Rockers labels) is the sound of early 80s electro, once again, with some minor concessions to modernity: it's floor-filling, totally synthetic, disco (think an unholy splicing of Kraftwerk and Soft Cell, as a starting point...) >> yeah, but i thought there were others already doing this sort of stuff? (Marumari, Lowfish, Solvent, Lali Puna, Magnetic Fields etc...)....a splicing of Kraftwerk and Soft Cell eh?..maybe i should investigate...Fischerspooner just has the one cd from last year (or was it 2000) right? Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:37:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: OIL BIZ Nothing is more frustrating than all that's wrong with this exhortation to stop "funding terrorism" by not buying gasoline from companies who import crude oil from the Middle East. To wit: The political naoveti that asserts "Middle Eastern" equals "terrorist," and that by purchasing gasoline refined from Middle Eastern crude oil you are "sending your money to people who are trying to kill you." Not everyone from the Middle East is a terrorist, nor does every terrorist hail from the Middle East. Moreover, groups such as the Al-Qaeda have built up financial investments and portfolios so complex and diverse over the years that they can operate quite effectively without receiving direct revenues from oil exports. The notion that because a refinery purchases crude oil from a non-Middle Eastern country, they're not buying Middle Eastern oil. A good deal of the crude oil purchased from Russia, for example, is oil from Iraqi fields sold through Russian middlemen, but it still shows up in the refineries' books as having been imported from Russia. The implication that most of the oil exported to the U.S. comes from the Middle East. According to the Energy Information Administration (as reported by The New York Times), the biggest exporters of oil to the USA in 2000 were (in millions of barrels per day): Canada: 1.69 Saudi Arabia: 1.57 Venezuela: 1.52 Mexico: 1.36 Nigeria: 0.89 Iraq: 0.61 The shaky grasp of supply and demand evidenced by the proffered scheme. Oil refineries generally operate at close to full capacity; if everyone in the USA stopped buying gasoline from Shell, Chevron, Texaco, Exxon, and Mobil, and instead purchased their gas only from Citgo, Sunoco, Conoco, Sinclair, Phillips, or BP Amoco-supplied service stations, the companies in the latter group wouldn't be able to come close to satisfying the sudden increase in demand for gasoline, because their refinery capacity is limited. Their supplies would run out, and prices would skyrocket. And even if they could somehow come up with extra refinery capacity necessary to fulfill the increased demand, they'd almost certainly have to turn to Middle Eastern exporters for the additional crude they'd need to supply those refineries. After crude oil has been pumped out of the ground, put in tankers, shipped around the world, refined into gasoline, and delivered to service stations, that gasoline can't necessarily be traced back to its point of origin. Nor do oil companies sell only gasoline to their own branded stations -- that a consumer buys gasoline at a non-Shell service station is no guarantee that the gasoline didn't come from Shell, or that it wasn't refined from Middle Eastern crude. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:53:20 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums after much deliberation (and a few replays to be sure)...... 01 chairs missing 02 154 03 pink flag 04 a bell is a cup 05 IBTABA 06 the ideal copy 07 manscape 08 coatings 09 document and eyewitness 10 turns and strokes is it 10 favourite wire tracks next? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:05:14 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums The top four haven't ever changed since I acquired the whole Wire collection (remember that I really got into Wire in '92, so my discoveries were in one fell swoop and wholly ex post facto). Of course with *new* Wire stuff on the way, who knows what'll happen? 1) A Bell Is A Cup 2) Chairs Missing 3) The Ideal Copy 4) 154 It's the next six that get tricky, plus I don't claim to have close to every solo release. 5) The First Letter 6) It's All in the Brochure 7) Pink Flag 8) A-Z 9) The Shivering Man 10) Manscape later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:31:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] life in the manscape... Rick asked: > PS - Just ordered "Read and Burn" and "Swim Team #2" > last night! Has anyone on the list received it yet?? I was sent a mail by posteverything saying that they're waiting for the signed prints and they should be ready to dispatch in around a week. That was a week ago.. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:33 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] the 15th/Fischerspooner OK, I hadn't read through the list mail this morning to see that Andrew W. had posted about the Fischerspooner "The 15th" earlier. Mea culpa! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:44:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 These two have come up with some corkers: "you lack lust, you're so lacklustre" Costello on Get Happy! "like a pig pulling a cart of sausages, I'm drawing my own conclusions" Cope on Autogeddon (?) --- Alistair Tear wrote: > Keith wrote > >>it must be up there with elvis costello's 'trust' era gem ('she's > got eyes > like saucers, she must be a dish') as the worst pun in the history of > pop. > > Or Julian Cope's 'woke up in the fireplace - slept like a log...' > > A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:16:59 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] recent discoveries I have been going through a pile of recent bargain bin buys and here's what i think: Channel Light Vessel: "Automatic" ...Being a fan of Bill Nelson and Roger Eno i figured this would be a fantastic collaboration...hmmmm..not so sure about that..it's decent but too much of sounds like new age stuff...it's almost too pleasant and nice.. Wall of Voodoo - "Call of the West"....what a great album!...this and Dark Continent are really original sounding...Electronic Country & Western...Stan Ridgeway and cohorts turn in fine stories of the dark underbelly of the American West..everything from the life of a hopeless trailer park couple regretting their life choices to the hilarious Mexican Radio...to broken down cowpoke love songs and laments..good stuff... Robert Wyatt - "Shleep"....I have really been enjoying Robert Wyatt a lot lately and finding this in a bargain bin for $4.99 was great....This cd has the usual Robert Wyatt elements such as his unique vocals and wistful, melancholy synths and keyboards, but this album has a jazzier and even blues feel to it...really good listening... MAIN - "Motion Pool"....wow Robert Hampson really conjures up some deep space sounds on this one....just imagine tumbling in space with no tether...close your eyes and feel the cold blackness...wow... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:31:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries anybody out there remember any of the following?: The Monochrome Set Richard Strange Ultramarine I Start Counting RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:36:59 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cover of "The 15th" OK, I know it's nice that people are doing Wire covers, but I'm perplexed at the concept of Fischerspooner somehow being a "next big thing". This sounds like a Depeche Mode B-side, circa 1981. OK, so that's what the 15th would have sounded like if recorded using two Moogs and a Dr Rhythm. And it would have been quite nice to have heard that in 1981. But making it in 2002 is a bit like making a skiffle version of Autobahn in 1980. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:59:27 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries The Monocrome Set - definitely one of my favourite bands. A band that could make even the most miserable teenager grin. The Strange Boutique is a fantastic album (but the drumming on Aliens Go Home still makes me cringe). Funnily enough I was just listening to Dante's Casino when your e-mail dropped on my desktop. Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of RLynn9@aol.com Sent: 11 April 2002 16:32 To: RLynn9@aol.com; wireadmin@mindspring.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries anybody out there remember any of the following?: The Monochrome Set Richard Strange Ultramarine I Start Counting RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:26:54 +0200 From: "janjnoorda" Subject: [idealcopy] KREV Watched the Touch/Ash int/Or/absolute web-site and indeed there will be a new release again on Ash International with one of our wire-men. It says the well-known Kingdom Elgaland-Vargaland has its 10th anniversary and we have to celebrate this. There will be a double cd with a track made by Graham Lewis and there will be an event at the Lydmar hotel Stockholm 24/25th of May and Ocsid is mentioned to play. Details, watch the site: www.kcw70.dial.pipex.com/html/bull.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:48:19 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums 1. 154 2. Chairs Missing 3. Not To 4. The Ideal Copy 5. A Bell Is A Cup... 6. Commercial Suicide 7. Pink Flag 8. A - Z 9. Behind The Curtain 10. The First Letter _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:12:21 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: top 10 wire albums >Not many people have included The Drill - Such a fine and revolutionary >album! And am I the only one including Insiding??? Syarzhuk http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 If you REALLY want inane lyrics,how about 'she loves you yeah yeah yeah,she loves you yeah yeah,she loves you yeah yeah yeah yeahh!Ari - --- Steve Brooks wrote: > > These two have come up with some corkers: > > > "you lack lust, you're so lacklustre" Costello on > Get Happy! > > > "like a pig pulling a cart of sausages, I'm drawing > my own conclusions" > Cope on Autogeddon (?) > > > --- Alistair Tear > wrote: > > Keith wrote > > >>it must be up there with elvis costello's > 'trust' era gem ('she's > > got eyes > > like saucers, she must be a dish') as the worst > pun in the history of > > pop. > > > > Or Julian Cope's 'woke up in the fireplace - > slept like a log...' > > > > A ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:16:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cover of "The 15th" > OK, so that's what the 15th would have sounded like if recorded using two > Moogs and a Dr Rhythm. And it would have been quite nice to have heard that > in 1981. But making it in 2002 is a bit like making a skiffle version of > Autobahn in 1980. > > Mark actually i'd quite like to hear a skiffle version of 'autobahn'! (anyone out there remember terry & jerry, mid-80's skiffle act that peel sort of adopted for a short time. he once used them as an example of how arbritary his choosing what demo's he aired because he said he actually picked up on them cos he had mates called terry and jerry and wondered what an act like that would sound like. you can't legislate for that can you? it was all a bit one-d in my mind, but they did make one great single called 'clothes shop'). keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:18:55 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recent re-discoveries > The Monocrome Set - definitely one of my favourite bands. > A band that could make even the most miserable teenager grin. i remember peel playing both sides of one of their singles a lot - 'alphaville' and 'he's frank' if i remember rightly. are they available on any album cos i was quite fond of those tracks. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: OIL BIZ/Reply Well said Robert,I forwarded the e-mail tongue-in-cheek,and because I like 'Stirring things up' a bit to get folk thinkng.yours is the first intelligent response,you win the prize-the c.d will be on it's way tomorrow.Ari - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > Nothing is more frustrating than all that's wrong > with this exhortation to > stop "funding terrorism" by not buying gasoline from > companies who import > crude oil from the Middle East. To wit: > > The political naoveti that asserts "Middle > Eastern" equals "terrorist," > and that by purchasing gasoline refined from Middle > Eastern crude oil you are > "sending your money to people who are trying to kill > you." Not everyone from > the Middle East is a terrorist, nor does every > terrorist hail from the Middle > East. Moreover, groups such as the Al-Qaeda have > built up financial > investments and portfolios so complex and diverse > over the years that they > can operate quite effectively without receiving > direct revenues from oil > exports. > > > The notion that because a refinery purchases > crude oil from a non-Middle > Eastern country, they're not buying Middle Eastern > oil. A good deal of the > crude oil purchased from Russia, for example, is oil > from Iraqi fields sold > through Russian middlemen, but it still shows up in > the refineries' books as > having been imported from Russia. > > > The implication that most of the oil exported to > the U.S. comes from the > Middle East. According to the Energy Information > Administration (as reported > by The New York Times), the biggest exporters of oil > to the USA in 2000 were > (in millions of barrels per day): > Canada: 1.69 > Saudi Arabia: 1.57 > Venezuela: 1.52 > Mexico: 1.36 > Nigeria: 0.89 > Iraq: 0.61 > > > > The shaky grasp of supply and demand evidenced by > the proffered scheme. > Oil refineries generally operate at close to full > capacity; if everyone in > the USA stopped buying gasoline from Shell, Chevron, > Texaco, Exxon, and > Mobil, and instead purchased their gas only from > Citgo, Sunoco, Conoco, > Sinclair, Phillips, or BP Amoco-supplied service > stations, the companies in > the latter group wouldn't be able to come close to > satisfying the sudden > increase in demand for gasoline, because their > refinery capacity is limited. > Their supplies would run out, and prices would > skyrocket. And even if they > could somehow come up with extra refinery capacity > necessary to fulfill the > increased demand, they'd almost certainly have to > turn to Middle Eastern > exporters for the additional crude they'd need to > supply those refineries. > > > After crude oil has been pumped out of the > ground, put in tankers, shipped > around the world, refined into gasoline, and > delivered to service stations, > that gasoline can't necessarily be traced back to > its point of origin. Nor do > oil companies sell only gasoline to their own > branded stations -- that a > consumer buys gasoline at a non-Shell service > station is no guarantee that > the gasoline didn't come from Shell, or that it > wasn't refined from Middle > Eastern crude. ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:33:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] real player don't know whether other people have got the latest 'real player', but when you play something it comes up with 'similar artists' (like amazon). i was playing 'turns & strokes' and it comes up with the following - buzzcocks, blondie, fad gadget, the fall and the gang of four. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:35:25 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > If you REALLY want inane lyrics,how about 'she loves > you yeah yeah yeah,she loves you yeah yeah,she loves > you yeah yeah yeah yeahh!Ari yeah but don't you think lennon made up for it with... 'light a cigarette and think of sir walter raleigh he was such a stupid gett' classic. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:43:59 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] cover of "The 15th" On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:36:59AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > OK, I know it's nice that people are doing Wire covers, but I'm perplexed at > the concept of Fischerspooner somehow being a "next big thing". This sounds > like a Depeche Mode B-side, circa 1981. and the Strokes sound like a popped-up version of Marquee Moon, in general, and half of Blur's output is an update of either the Kinks or XTC, and and and... but it is a sound which has dated pretty badly, and in that the skiffle analogy is a pretty good one, I think. > OK, so that's what the 15th would have sounded like if recorded using two > Moogs and a Dr Rhythm. And it would have been quite nice to have heard that > in 1981. But making it in 2002 is a bit like making a skiffle version of > Autobahn in 1980. Yep. "Emerge" works quite a lot better, I think, but I thought it worth pointing out to the list, given the marginal cost of bandwidth is (in general) fairly low, I suspect, for most people reading this... As to why they're the next big thing: a) as ever, industry hype b) apparently, *the* most over-the-top stage-shows Remember, this is the industry which conducted a bidding war for Gomez. :) At the risk of rehashing what was said earlier this year, by the way, it's not going to displace MBV's version of Map Ref and REM's version of Strange as my favourite Wire covers. Andrew - -- "Everybody eat your dust; everybody love your dust..." - The Auteurs, "Light Aircraft on Fire" ('After Murder Park') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #107 *******************************