From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #104 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 104 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] [idealcopy] Re: top ten wire albums [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] New to the list ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] enough [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Bristol ticket info [=?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= ] [idealcopy] Re:Erik Satie [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Wire Top Ten [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] MTV2/R&B/LA/Shaun Ryder ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] top ten wire c.d's [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Later? [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Later? [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] PF3, anyone? [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Later? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] PF3, anyone? [Neil Soiseth ] Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums [=?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= ] Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: OIL BIZ [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 02:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums Robert wrote: WHAT???? that's nuts..Manscape is a great album...Small Black Reptile !...the bonus tracks on the ep are great too.... >> Manscape is a great album compared to most of the crap that's out there. As far as being a Wire album, it does rank towards the bottom. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:25:00 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: top ten wire albums here i go: 1. 154 2. Pink Flag 3. Chairs Missing 4. A Bell is Cup... 5. IBTABA 6. Ideal Copy 7. Commercial Suicide 8. Peel Sessions 9. Not To 10. A-Z I feel bad putting 3 colin albums and nothing by graham or bruce, but hopefully they will have an entry next time...like most people have said, this list is liable to change at random (shivering man is growing on me though). ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:17:55 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer Robert/Keith/list I always thought the drill (in every city) on tonal evidence mute compo was identical to the one on the album but maybe my ears are cloth. I'll have to dig it out later. Not a bad collection overall - features 'Give me' by AC Marias which is probably my favourite AC track - lovely growling Bruce riff - plus some acceptible Nick Cave/Depeche mode and a fine track called Contagious by someone or other that samples Donna Summer's I feel love. Was this new John Foxx album worth the excitement then Robert? Did you know that under he now works as a lecturer on music technology at Thames Valley University in west London (under his real name of Dennis)?! There was a good interview with him in Future music - december issue - in which he had some insightful thoughts about the creative process in electronic music; how people get caught up doing the same thing, etc. He's also done a lot of graphic design stuff since he was in the pop semi-bigtime. Keith - I accept I must be wrong re Leo Sayer and number one. I was basing my assertion on remembering when I was seven - watching top of the pops and doing thumbs up and thumbs down during the chart rundown. I hated Leo, and his fucking clown's outfit, nearly as much as I hated Lyndsey de Paul and her fucking beauty spot. Mind you, don't rely entirely on the Guinness book of british hit singles. Anything with the name Tim Rice on it has to be suspect. See below for some quality anorak information - I like the cut of this man's jib! http://freespace.virgin.net/julian.barker/accuracy.htm cheers Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:27:43 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re:vertical challenges >there's an ad for Neff cookers using the slogan >"icon....i can" . wonder if they nicked this off hox or EGL borrowed it? he >should sue , they'd probably pay him off with an eye-level hob which might be >quite a good result. just a thought............. EGL would be a bit challenged by most people's notion of an eye-level hob wouldn't he haha? Howard (not very tall either) PS Apologies for not reading subsequent `in every city' posts before launching my last. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:43:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums << as nub\mber one? or just on your list?.. >> No, at number 5. Actually I'm not alone any more - Paul CD has voted for it! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:42:50 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] New to the list Hello fellow ex-lion tamers A few words by way of introduction: I'm an artist from Dublin, been listening to Wire since God knows when, 154 being my favourite - this was the first Wire I heard, I was 15 at the time, and in 4th year in school - how's that for a bit of synchronicity? (anyone else got any synchronicities like that?). There's a few more words about Wire I wrote to accomany an artwork for a project that Malka did a while back if anyone feels like checking it out. I think this is the right address: www.swim-hq.com/nonspace/Malkaproject/fergus.html I also wrote a review of their first Dublin appearance for wireviews, aswell as throwing in a few photos from The Garage and RFH. A joiner photo also appears on the Pink Flag site. Some documentation of my own work can be found at www.whisperinggallery.com/wg/personnel/kelly/index.shtml That's about all for the moment, except to say that I may not be able to contribute very often, as it's usually fairly busy in work and the computer in this office is about as fast as an arthritic snail. I'll sign off with a list of records in heavy rotation at the moment: Morton Feldman: Piano and string quartet (Nonesuch) Oren Ambarchi: Suspension (Touch) Nurse With Wound: Spiral Insana (World Serpent) AMM: Newfoundland (Matchless) All the best Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:47:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] enough << oooh it shows the whole band , never seen it before that i recall actually in either form........p >> Wa-hey! A forst pressing before Lawrence ordered the cover to be redesigned, probably because he'd (a) sacked one of the band members or (b) the picture makes him look like a slap-head. Must commemorate Queen Mum's passing with a spin of Go-Kart Mozart album. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:52:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer << Was this new John Foxx album worth the excitement then Robert? Did you know that under he now works as a lecturer on music technology at Thames Valley University in west London (under his real name of Dennis)?! >> What, he's called Dennis Foxx?! Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:55:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer This'll have me going for the GBOBHS and looking for errors among obscure artistes outside Mr Beardie Barker's timeframe! But absoultuely aquality thing to do. Winner of today's coveted Golden Anorak award.... Mark << See below for some quality anorak information - I like the cut of this man's jib! http://freespace.virgin.net/julian.barker/accuracy.htm >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:05:10 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer << Was this new John Foxx album worth the excitement then Robert? Did you know that under he now works as a lecturer on music technology at Thames Valley University in west London (under his real name of Dennis)?! >> >What, he's called Dennis Foxx? No, Dennis Leigh! Re. Guinness Book of British hit singles: I think Mr Barker may be the man who's been slagging off the GBOBHS for some time, and challenged Read, Rice and Gambaccini to some sort of fun quiz of 50s and 60s music - - they all have a yellow streak a mile wide of course, and declined. Not that they'll do any of the real leg-work on the book, I'm sure. Serious point: it is amazing how inaccurate many reference works on popular music are. `Facts' just get reproduced without any attempt to check their veracity. Shocking, so it is. Howard - -- Howard Spencer Research Editor, nineteenth century, twentieth century and art New Dictionary of National Biography (**NEW PHONE NUMBER** 01865 355021) http://www.oup.co.uk/newdnb/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:20:04 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking collector's items... I don't know it Robert... curious... bart > I meant to mention this loooong ago but forgot..I noticed many years ago that > there is a version of Drill (i think it's called "In Every City") that is on > one of the Mute Compilations (Tonal Evidence i think) ...anyway, this version > is different than ANY of the versions on "Drill"...and it's the best one in > my opinion...have any of you heard this?...I'm at work right now, so i can't > get to it..that's why the details are sketchy in my memory...If you can get > your hands on it, it's great! > > Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:27:48 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: [idealcopy] wire top 10 1. chairs missing 2. 154 3. pink flag 4. a bell is a cup 5. dome 1 6. ideal copy 7. the drill 8. IBTABA 9. document & eyewitness 10.the first letter Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:33:51 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer that beardo is one serious dude ; respect due! but he does appear to have maybe a little too much time on his hands. wonder if guys like this have a day job? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:48:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bristol ticket info I haven't seen any reply to this, so... It's not Clifton, it's about a 5-minute walk from both Temple Meads station - mainline from London (& Brum & S Wales, I think) - and Bristol Bridge, which is pretty much the centre of town, IIRC. See: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?P2M?P=bs16jj&Z=1 It used to be called The Fleece and Firkin and I saw a few bands there when I worked there in the late '80s. Good venue, although after three pints of 'Dogbolter' anywhere would have been freat and my memories are somewhat hazy...I think it's name is derived from the fact that is used to be a wool market or merchants or somesuch... --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > great web site there which omits the minor point of where this place > is. anybody know? somebody told me clifton which is well out of town > - is that right? > > a 400 capacity venue sounds pretty great , i saw wire at the bier > keller in bristol on the manscape tour and that was a great gig. > can't wait . p Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:11:03 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums In a message dated 4/9/02 4:23:14 AM Central Daylight Time, eric719@webtv.net writes: << Manscape is a great album compared to most of the crap that's out there. As far as being a Wire album, it does rank towards the bottom. Eric >> i respectfully disagree... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:07:30 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 In a message dated 4/9/02 1:38:16 AM Central Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: << "I'm Not in Love" That still sets a great standard for the most sarcastic anti-love song! I think that 'The Original Soundtrack' is a very underrated album! ===== >> I agree....that's why it is one of my all time favorites!..i love keyboards and synths and that has some of the most haunting keyboard work... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:17:45 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer In a message dated 4/9/02 5:28:51 AM Central Daylight Time, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: << Was this new John Foxx album worth the excitement then Robert? >> Yes, i think it was...the album has elements of everything he has ever done (except early Ultravox)..It sounds like Metamatic with the shimmering of Mysterious Ways...His vocals are strangely different though...maybe his voice has changed with age?...i am very happy with the cd after my first two listens... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:14:28 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer In a message dated 4/9/02 5:28:51 AM Central Daylight Time, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: << and a fine track called Contagious by someone or other that samples Donna Summer's I feel love. >> That would be the wonderful sounds of Mark Stewart (ex-Pop Group vocalist)...If you like that track you should pick up the s/t cd that it appears on..fine stuff all the way through...he does a cover of Forbidden Colours by Ryuchi Sakamoto/David Sylvian and also samples Erik Satie on Stranger than Love.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:22:48 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New to the list In a message dated 4/9/02 5:45:56 AM Central Daylight Time, fkelly88@hotmail.com writes: << I'll sign off with a list of records in heavy rotation at the moment: Morton Feldman: Piano and string quartet (Nonesuch) Oren Ambarchi: Suspension (Touch) Nurse With Wound: Spiral Insana (World Serpent) AMM: Newfoundland (Matchless) All the best Fergus >> Welcome aboard Fergus! I hope you enjoy all the fine conversation and antics that go on here....This is a great group of people who have turned me onto some great music other than Wire, and i hope that i may have expanded a few horizons myself...I look forward to conversing with you in the future.... Robert Lynn, USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:30:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New to the list In a message dated 4/9/02 5:45:56 AM Central Daylight Time, fkelly88@hotmail.com writes: << Oren Ambarchi: Suspension (Touch) Nurse With Wound: Spiral Insana (World Serpent) All the best Fergus >>>>>>>> These are top notch by the way!...Spiral Insana was definitely a switch for Steve Stapleton back in 1986, it's almost an ambient, and dare i say, melodic record...He doesn't think very much of it now...Have you heard the new cd yet? it's called Man With a Woman Face...i am anxious to hear it and was wondering if anybody out there has heard enough of it to give an opinion?....the more stuff i hear by Oren Ambarchi the more i am impressed...He manipulates the sounds from guitars much in the same way that Christian Fennesz does...Ambarchi's Stacte 3 and Insulation cds are fine stuff as well...I recently got a cd-r from a friend of a collaboration between Ambarchi & Fennesz and some other Mego/Touch/Ash Label guys (can't remember the names) called Afternoon Tea and that is pretty exciting as well... speaking of guitars now playing: my custom cd-r of the vinyl only "Amigos em Portugal" by Durutti Column..... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:17:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > Throw in the Ozark Mountain Daredevils (Jackie Blue) > and Dr Hook (Cover of the Rolling Stone) and you've > got the makings of a serious '70's disposable pop > collection! > and 'rose of cimmaron' (poco) > > "I'm Not in Love" > > That still sets a great standard for the most > sarcastic anti-love song! I think that 'The Original > Soundtrack' is a very underrated album! > not as good as the earlier 'sheet music' - pretty barbed stuff (wallstreet shuffle, the worst band in the world, silly love). a classic of it's kind. keith > ===== > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > PO Box 7770 > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > t: (831) 425-7335 > f: (831) 425-7356 > http://3rproductions.com > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:23:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums one thing that has surprised me so far is that several readers have not included 'pink flag' in their top ten. as bbc sports commentator brian davies would say...'quite extraordinary'! keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:51:28 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums > one thing that has surprised me so far is that several readers have not > included 'pink flag' in their top ten. Actually, Keith, that's not that surprising. (^_^) The IdealCopy list is sorta split into two factions. Those who favor the 70's trilogy - Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, 154 - and those who favor the 80's output - The Ideal Copy, A Bell Is A Cup..., IBTABA. It seems to make a difference as to what era of Wire you first heard. I myself prefer the 80's output - the first Wire song I ever heard was Ahead. The 70's trilogy doesn't spin my head as much as the 80's output. For other list members, it's the exact opposite. But, we all agree that Wire is pretty amazing - regardless of what era. (^_^) For me, it's also interesting listening to the solo albums and odds and ends between the eras - Document & Eyewitness, Turns & Strokes, A-Z, He Said, Dome, etc. The 80's stuff doesn't sound like such a jump from the 70's stuff if you listen to the solo releases, in my opinion. I see everything they do - including the new stuff - as a continuous evolution. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:19:11 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Erik Satie RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/9/02 5:28:51 AM Central Daylight Time, > hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: > > << and a > fine track called Contagious by someone or other that samples Donna > Summer's I feel love. >> > > That would be the wonderful sounds of Mark Stewart (ex-Pop Group > vocalist)...If you like that track you should pick up the s/t cd that it > appears on..fine stuff all the way through...he does a cover of Forbidden > Colours by Ryuchi Sakamoto/David Sylvian and also samples Erik Satie on > Stranger than Love.... > > Robert Lynn Ah Erik Satie. Have a feeling we might have touched on him before in a `what classical music do you like then?' thread. He composed a lot of good stuff (mostly piano music) beyond the `trois gymnopedies' which have become cigar advert soundtrack fodder. `Pasacaille', the Gnossienes and Espanana spring to mind. He went in for entertainingly loony titles for his pieces and the music has instructions to the player like `ouvrez la tete'. A piss taker with an entertaining if tragic life story - see http://www.af.lu.se/~fogwall/intro.html - if intrigued. Been busy with my google today, haven't I just? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums > > Thanks to Neil and anyone else for posting a top > 10 devoid of Manscape. > > WHAT???? that's nuts..Manscape is a great > album...Small Black Reptile !...the > bonus tracks on the ep are great too.... I agree! I would add "Torch It" and "Stampede" too! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:57:02 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums > The IdealCopy list is sorta split into two factions. Those who favor the > 70's trilogy - Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, 154 - and those who favor the > 80's output - The Ideal Copy, A Bell Is A Cup..., IBTABA. actually i find it hard to say which camp exactly i fall in - my top 6 sort of went 70's(chairs missing), 80's (ABIAC), 70's (154), 80's (IBTABA), 70's (Pink flag), 80's (ideal copy), which indicates some indecision on the matter (must be the libran in me again!) though probably at a push it looks like i have to fall in with the 70's faction...hmmm maybe anyway. i just wasn't so keen on what came later (the 'slow & so...' single apart). i certainly was less keen on 'first letter' than other stuff, so it's interesting to me to see how highly a lot of people rate it. maybe it's time to give it another listen. > It seems to make a difference as to what era of Wire you first heard. I > myself prefer the 80's output - the first Wire song I ever heard was Ahead. > The 70's trilogy doesn't spin my head as much as the 80's output. For > other list members, it's the exact opposite. i first heard them in the 70's so i suppose that adds weight your theory. keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:57:20 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Fine music... Hi Robert Thanks for your mail. I haven't heard the new NWW cd yet. An Awkward Pause was something of a (slight) return to form, though I think Stapleton's kind of gone off the boil in recent years. I think Spiral Insana was his finest hour: grimly beautiful, haunting stuff. Soliliquoy For Lillith is another landmark. Homotopy To Marie was my introduction to NWW, and it fairly knocked my block off... I met Stapleton a few years ago. He lives in The Burren, Co.Clare, in the west of Ireland. I was holidaying in Clare and decided to contact him. Very nice guy. Runs a farm, has a rake of kids running around. His house is covered in his paintings, Indian statues, skulls etc., and some massive cacti. He gave me a box of small cacti to take away. I've been nursing my wound cacti ever since... they're doing rather well... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:16:24 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums >actually i find it hard to say which camp exactly i fall in - 8< snip >8 > though probably at a push it looks >like i have to fall in with the 70's faction...hmmm maybe anyway. Hi Keith, Don't worry about it *too* much. (^_-) As with anything in the IdealCopy listmember world, there are no absolutes. This theory came to light in the past during some list discussions, and is kinda fun to play around with. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:41:34 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Top Ten 1. 154 2. This Way/Shiv. Man (Full Version) 3. Chairs Missing 4. Ab Ovo 5. Dome 3 6. Dome 1 7. Dome 4 8. Dome 2 9. Pink Flag 10.Manchester/London Only the top 3 are absolutely solid--the rest can fluctuate a bit. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:01:28 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MTV2/R&B/LA/Shaun Ryder - ----- Original Message ----- From: . and the other challenge is to guess who might show > > the new wire video. a year ago i'd have suggested mtv2 but its turned into > > mtv-nu-metal so maybe not. tragedy if it doesn't get any screentime > > tho.....p So MTV2's gone down the pan eh? I'm still on analogue and had considered switching to digital partly to get access to some okay music. Perhaps not then. I preordered my Read and Burn, which I'm very much looking forward to; I do wonder though if I'm going to end up paying about 30 quid for the equivalent of one standard CD spread over three releases. Just a thought. Yes Keith, Andy L was correct at naming Laughing Academy as the Punilux album you mentioned. A brilliant, supremely confident debut album which a range of circumstances (notably record company bullshit) prevented them from following up at the time. By the way did anybody see that 24HPP documentary? Is Shaun Ryder actually seriously ill or is he just reaping what he sowed? His head was the size of a medicine ball on steroids. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:31:49 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MTV2/R&B/LA/Shaun Ryder Ian B wrote : >By the way did anybody see that 24HPP documentary? Is Shaun Ryder actually >seriously ill or is he just reaping what he sowed? His head was the size >of a medicine ball on steroids. nah, i think he'd just had a dodgy curry the night before and his sphincter was in 180bpm mode... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:55:48 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Drill/ John Foxx/Leo Sayer In a message dated 09/04/2002 11:29:49 GMT Daylight Time, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: > > Keith - I accept I must be wrong re Leo Sayer and number one. I was > basing my assertion on remembering when I was seven - watching top of > the pops and doing thumbs up and thumbs down during the chart rundown. I > hated Leo, and his fucking clown's outfit, nearly as much as I hated > Lyndsey de Paul and her fucking beauty spot. > > Mind you, don't rely entirely on the Guinness book of british hit > singles. Anything with the name Tim Rice on it has to be suspect. See > below for some quality anorak information - I like the cut of this man's > jib! > When you post Howard it is class !! Chris .....10 Wire albums to come, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:22:03 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums In a message dated 09/04/2002 20:52:55 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > > The IdealCopy list is sorta split into two factions. Those who favor the > > 70's trilogy - Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, 154 - and those who favor the > > 80's output - The Ideal Copy, A Bell Is A Cup..., IBTABA. > > I still have not put together my top 10 yet but I have to interject here.It would appear from first impressions that the 80"s Wire have it.But 154 & Chairs Missing are I would say the most popular Top 3 choices. Interesting ?? chris Pinkflag is a statement.That is all I would say.The bands development started after that. Pinkflag was the 'Shock" tactic to get the band noticed.21 tracks. After that they learned their trade.At the time (& I was there & loving it) it was exciting & new & brave & in your fucking face).Today it's a bit like early Electronica - you wonder what all the fuss was about. Chairs Missing & 154 were terrific leaps forward in the development of Wire.They were I believe though, still within the boundaries of acceptance for most keen music lovers like us to appreciate & be astounded by. For me though Dome 1 was a turning point.It was DIFFERANT. Discuss.... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: OIL BIZ > Thought some of you might be interested in this.........Ari > > > > E-mail message > > From: fdavidburns Date: Thu, Apr 4, 2002, I got this > forwarded to me > at about the same time I saw a segment on the news > concerning how much > oil the US imports. Turns out we actually only get > about 10% from the > middle-east; the problem is that Europe gets about > 40% & Japan about 60% > from the Persian Gulf region and since they import > so much their demand > can drive up the per barrel cost whenever Arab oil > production > is restricted. Ergo, it is in our best interest to > ensure that > events in the area do not cause a radical change in > the open-market oil > supply. I still think it is a good idea, in the near > term, for > American consumers to favor those domestic petroleum > suppliers > who use the least amount of middle-east oil. Of > course, if those > suppliers start having to deal with a huge increase > in demand they may > start buying Arab oil in order to keep up. Nothing > is completely > simple. > > > Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid > putting more > money into the > coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies > that don't import > their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more > frustrating than the feeling > that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my > money to people who are > trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I > thought it might be > interesting for you to know which oil companies are > the best to buy gas from. > > Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil (for > the period 9/1/00 -8/31/01). > Shell 205,742,000 barrels > Chevron/Texaco 144,332,000 > Exxon/Mobil 130,082,000 > Marathon 117,740,000 > Amoco 62,231,000 > If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports > amount to over $18 BILLION! > > Here are some large companies that do not import > Middle Eastern oil: > Citgo 0 barrels > Sunoco 0 > Conoco 0 > Sinclair 0 > BP/Phillips 0 > All of this information is available from the > Department of Energy > and > can be easily documented. Refineries located in the > U.S. are > required to > state where they get their oil and how much they are > importing. > They > report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your > car; share it > with friends. > Stop paying for terrorism. > ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] top ten wire c.d's Here's my list,subject to change (depending on my mood) 1 The ideal copy 2 A bell is a cup 3 154 4 IBTABA 5 Behind the curtain 6 The first letter 7 Chairs missing 8 Pink flag 9 on returning 10 Peel sessions/not to Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:45:14 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Later? Two artists I'd love to see on 'Later' who could reasonably be on this series would be Wire and Brian Wilson. Bet you neither will be on this series. However, expect to see the beardy scumbag known as Badly Drawn Boy (surely a Chris Rea for the MUJI generation?), f***king Travis and their cheerfully inoffensive banjo music, f**king Alanis Morrissette, and f**king Sting. P.S. For the record, my favourite Wire albums are, (in no particular order) Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, 154, Document & Eyewitness, Ideal Copy, A Bell is A Cup, Manscape, The First Letter, Turns and Strokes, Coatings, Drill, Behind The Curtain, IBTABA and Its All In The Brochure. Paul R writes: >In a message dated 07/04/02 13:25:26 GMT Daylight Time, >ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > > > > Re - Later With Jools Holland new series - it's been said before but isn't > > this ideally timed for Wire? > > > > ///too fucking right. and the other challenge is to guess who might show > > the new wire video. a year ago i'd have suggested mtv2 but its turned into > > mtv-nu-metal so maybe not. tragedy if it doesn't get any screentime > > tho.....p ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:19:23 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later? >P.S. For the record, my favourite Wire albums are, (in no particular order) > >Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, 154, Document & Eyewitness, Ideal Copy, A Bell >is A Cup, Manscape, The First Letter, Turns and Strokes, Coatings, Drill, >Behind The Curtain, IBTABA and Its All In The Brochure. What? No "The A List", "Vien", "Peel Sessions", "On Returning" or "The Third Day"? (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:51:11 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] PF3, anyone? Hi everyone, Say - did anyone notice that Read & Burn 01 is listed as PF4? Now, we already know that The Third Day is PF1 and It's All In The Brochure is PF2. So, that begs the question: What happened to PF3? (Twelve Times You doesn't count - it's VPF1) Hmmm.... (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:23:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Later? In a message dated 4/9/02 8:08:52 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > However, expect to see the beardy scumbag known as Badly Drawn Boy (surely > a Chris Rea for the MUJI generation?), MUJI ???? what's that??? Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:39:40 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PF3, anyone? on 09.4.02 7:51 PM, Paul Pietromonaco at paulp@wrq.com wrote: > Say - did anyone notice that Read & Burn 01 is listed as PF4? > Now, we already know that The Third Day is PF1 and It's All In > The Brochure is PF2. > So, that begs the question: What happened to PF3? > (Twelve Times You doesn't count - it's VPF1) > Hmmm.... (^_^) Maybe it's the Pink Flag t-shirt or Pink-Flag-In-A-Jar? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:15:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Brooks?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums Sorry to be pedantic, but it's Barry Davies and yes, I find it "absolutely remarkable", to paraphrase that other BBC institution, David Coleman. Davies went up in my estimation a couple of years back when he commentated on the animated 'staring contests' on Big Train, an accurate piss-take of himself and sports commentators in general. Steve. --- Keith Astbury wrote: > one thing that has surprised me so far is that several readers have > not > included 'pink flag' in their top ten. > as bbc sports commentator brian davies would say...'quite > extraordinary'! > keith Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:15:16 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top 10 wire albums In a message dated 4/8/02 11:43:02 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 4/8/02 10:32:25 PM Central Daylight Time, mango@mts.net >writes: > >> Thanks to Neil and anyone else for posting a top 10 devoid of Manscape. >> >> >> >WHAT???? that's nuts..Manscape is a great album...Small Black Reptile !...the >bonus tracks on the ep are great too.... since my top 10 didn't include manscape, i'd just like to state now that i don't think it's a bad album at all, it just didn't make my top 10. as a matter of fact, morning bell ( a song disliked by more than a few listers here) is a sorta fave of mine. back when i was listening to manscape a lot ('98 maybe), that song was the inspiration for some of my own writing. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:26:47 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New to the list In a message dated 4/9/02 10:30:00 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >now playing: my custom cd-r of the vinyl only "Amigos em Portugal" by Durutti > >Column..... nice album. i should put mine on cd too. i'd probably listen to it a lot more often! - -paul c.d. now playing: for against-december for against-aperture ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Top Ten I'd have to say this is easily the most interesting list to come up yet! Lot's of Dome and NO 80's Wire! Also, I've never heard #2 or #4 and never heard of #10! Is that a bootleg or some obscure release? - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > 1. 154 > 2. This Way/Shiv. Man (Full Version) > 3. Chairs Missing > 4. Ab Ovo > 5. Dome 3 > 6. Dome 1 > 7. Dome 4 > 8. Dome 2 > 9. Pink Flag > 10.Manchester/London ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:05:24 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: OIL BIZ i always do a little background check on these kind of email warnings/tips, etc just cuz i'm fascinated by urban legends and how they've evolved into email/net hoaxes. so i thought i'd pass along this url for a site i found: Click Here: Oil Imports: Paying for Terrorism? http://hoaxinfo.com/oil.htm the department of energy website was difficult for me to navigate, so i haven't yet verified which facts in that email are true. if anyone wants to give it a try, here's the url for them: Click Here: energy.gov - Sources and Production http://www.energy.gov/sources/index.html - -paul (my home away from home is http://www.urbanlegends.about.com/) c.d. In a message dated 4/9/02 7:46:30 PM, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: >> E-mail message >> >> From: fdavidburns Date: Thu, Apr 4, 2002, I got this >> forwarded to me >> at about the same time I saw a segment on the news >> concerning how much >> oil the US imports. Turns out we actually only get >> about 10% from the >> middle-east; the problem is that Europe gets about >> 40% & Japan about 60% >> from the Persian Gulf region and since they import >> so much their demand >> can drive up the per barrel cost whenever Arab oil >> production >> is restricted. Ergo, it is in our best interest to >> ensure that >> events in the area do not cause a radical change in >> the open-market oil >> supply. I still think it is a good idea, in the near >> term, for >> American consumers to favor those domestic petroleum >> suppliers >> who use the least amount of middle-east oil. Of >> course, if those >> suppliers start having to deal with a huge increase >> in demand they may >> start buying Arab oil in order to keep up. Nothing >> is completely >> simple. >> >> >> Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid >> putting more >> money into the >> coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies >> that don't import >> their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more >> frustrating than the feeling >> that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my >> money to people who are >> trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I >> thought it might be >> interesting for you to know which oil companies are >> the best to buy gas from. >> >> Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil (for >> the period 9/1/00 -8/31/01). >> Shell 205,742,000 barrels >> Chevron/Texaco 144,332,000 >> Exxon/Mobil 130,082,000 >> Marathon 117,740,000 >> Amoco 62,231,000 >> If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports >> amount to over $18 BILLION! >> >> Here are some large companies that do not import >> Middle Eastern oil: >> Citgo 0 barrels >> Sunoco 0 >> Conoco 0 >> Sinclair 0 >> BP/Phillips 0 >> All of this information is available from the >> Department of Energy >> and >> can be easily documented. Refineries located in the >> U.S. are >> required to >> state where they get their oil and how much they are >> importing. >> They >> report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your >> car; share it >> with friends. >> Stop paying for terrorism. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #104 *******************************