From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #99 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 5 2002 Volume 05 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] frank tovey [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] frank tovey r.i.p? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Clinic [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] re: Frank Tovey [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Fad Gadget [Mr Grumpy ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation [dpbailey@att.net] [idealcopy] pete buck ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Outsiders [MarkBursa@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] frank tovey news just in. Frank Tovey (aka Fad Gadget) died today (4/4/02). no further details ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:33:08 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] frank tovey r.i.p? In a message dated 4/4/02 11:00:11 PM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > just saw this on another list -- > > >>Frank Tovey, better known to us as Fad Gadget, has died. > > say it isn't so ... > > dan > I have looked around and didn't find anything...I hope someone out there can give an update on this news..hopefully it was just a mistake...if anyone finds any news, please let us know! thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:50:35 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation << > Spinners - The Best of (I'll Be Around is such a great song) it is ... one of the great soul groups of the '70s. saw the reanimated version (minus the sadly deceased lead singer, of course) a couple of years ago at a memorial day weekend festival back home. only big disappointment was that we didn't get an extended version of the sublime rubberband man. >> Note for Britttish Tossers - the band referred to here is the one we know as the Detroit Spinners, to avoid confusion with the finger-in-the-ear folkies of the same name and Kumbayah fame. However the amended nomenclature caused additional confusion with the equally excellent Detroit Emeralds. Still does chez Bursa. Existence of finger-in-ear folkies called The Emeralds not known. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:53:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clinic Saw these supporting Radiohead @ the RFH. Pretty good - sort of surf/60s garage band sound. With silly doctor costumes (face masks etc). Heard good reports for Walking with thee... could be worth a punt. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:59:04 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] re: Frank Tovey Oh man this is terrible news A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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I'm still learning alot about web design and would like to know if the site looks OK and works on different browsers. >> Works fine on WebTV. I've been meaning to check this album out. The Larry Fast that's in the band isn't the same one that released the Synergy albums, is it? Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:23:33 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: Frank Tovey This from another list. Sad news indeed.... Mark >>It's with a deep sadness and a feeling of total loss that we have to inform you all that Frank Tovey has died in London in his house on wednesday April 3rd. Initial reports suggest he suffered a stroke. The news is not a late April joke, we wished it was, but comes right from Mute label boss Daniel Miller who also indicates that the circumstances of his death are not yet known. Daniel: "Frank was the first artist I ever worked with on Mute, he made some very special and influential records and was an exceptional live performer. Frank played a big part in helping to lay the foundations of what the label was to become in the ensuing years, I will miss him greatly." More news on Frank Tovey's death will be posted on Side-Line as we get it. Our deepest sympathy and condolences go out to Frank's family and to Daniel Miller who lost a great friend. We invite you all to visit the official Fad Gadget website to join the growing number of grieving fans. Frank, we'll miss you.<< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:40:10 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > ALSO, it was Marvin's birthday April 2nd and his father > shot him one day before his 45th birthday (April 1st 1984)... > > Robert I think that's taking April Fools Day too far... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 02:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] TLB - *Prog content...Beware!* & Feedback request! Eric- Thanks for the response! And it is the same Mr Fast! In fact, 'Pieces of the Sun' has a updated version of "phobos" from Synergy's "chords" album. Their show looks pretty interesting as well- covers of 'Elephant Talk', 'Back in NYC', and 'Tequila'! Hopefully I can get up to their SF show on 4/14 as well! > Works fine on WebTV. I've been meaning to check this > album out. The > Larry Fast that's in the band isn't the same one > that released the > Synergy albums, is it? > > Eric Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:11:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] CORRECTION of a horrible mistake! i was just about to query this! as for 'alone again naturally'. i remember a train of thought in the 80's that this was worthy of being a morrissey title - all those yrs before moz... it does sound like a smiths title doesn't it. keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: [idealcopy] CORRECTION of a horrible mistake! > In a message dated 4/4/02 4:00:54 PM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com > writes: > > << .i also love every depressing second of Alone Again Naturally > by O'Sullivan...I think it is so chillingly ironic that he committed > suicide.... >> > > I just looked it up and Gilbert O'Sullivan did NOT commit suicide! As a > matter of fact he is touring the UK this month!..I am sorry for posting that > comment...I called my prankster friend and gave him a good thrashing for > telling me misinformation....SORRY! > > Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:14:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clinic as Wire? > i don't really see the Wire comparison either...however... > i CAN hear the track 'Walking With Thee' played faster, with Colin > singing/shouting over the top of it (a la 12XU...?). > > ian.s.j. i can't see much of a wire comparison either. i'll go along with the velvets and augustus pablo theory, though i always thought that my fave clinic track - 'return of evil bill' - sounded like 'my generation'! keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:24:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation - ----- Original Message ----- From: > << > Spinners - The Best of (I'll Be Around is such a great song) > > it is ... one of the great soul groups of the '70s. saw the reanimated > version (minus the sadly deceased lead singer, of course) a couple of years > ago at a memorial day weekend festival back home. only big disappointment > was that we didn't get an extended version of the sublime rubberband > man. > >> > > Note for Britttish Tossers - the band referred to here is the one we know as > the Detroit Spinners, to avoid confusion with the finger-in-the-ear folkies > of the same name and Kumbayah fame. and 'if you've got a cathedral we've got one to spare'! > However the amended nomenclature caused > additional confusion with the equally excellent Detroit Emeralds. Still does > chez Bursa. me too! for you info i'm just checking my guiness book of hit singles and... detroit emeralds = 'feel the need in me' (love it) and 'you want it you got it' etc detroit spinners = 'could it be i'm falling in love', 'ghetto child' (like that one too), 'rubberband man', 'working my way back to you', 'cupid' etc just to complicate matters. the 'detroit' spinners were actually called the motown spinners on their 1st uk hit 'its a shame'. and i've just realised something else that may have confused us with these two bands. not only were 'feel the need' and 'could it be i'm falling...' both hits around the same time in 1973, they were both re-issued around the same time in 1977 when both were hits again. > existence of finger-in-ear folkies called The Emeralds not known. > i'll bet there are though. keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:25:38 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] CORRECTION of a horrible mistake! In a message dated 4/5/02 5:06:31 AM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > i was just about to query this! > > as for 'alone again naturally'. i remember a train of thought in the 80's > that this was worthy of being a morrissey title - all those yrs before > moz... > > it does sound like a smiths title doesn't it. > > keith > actually...come to think of it..i'd love to hear Morrissey do a cover of that song! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:43:57 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation << me too! for you info i'm just checking my guiness book of hit singles and... detroit emeralds = 'feel the need in me' (love it) and 'you want it you got it' etc detroit spinners = 'could it be i'm falling in love', 'ghetto child' (like that one too), 'rubberband man', 'working my way back to you', 'cupid' etc<< See what I mean! I really liked that 70s detroit/philly soul stuff actually - between the fag-end of glam and punk it was probably the stuff I listened to most. Certanly a splendid alternative to the old prog pants favoured by many classmates at the time.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:53:42 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Virgin's 5 for L30 Offer (was (OT) Heavy Rotation) On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:20:27AM +0100, ian.s. jackson wrote: > favourites from her teenage years...she doesn't rate 'What's Goin' On' > either...wonder if we bought it on his birthday... I really like "What's Goin' On". *shrug* :) > > just for the record the others were : > > Jeff Buckley - Grace *FANTASTIC* album. "Sketches..." is good, and "Mystery White Boy" (live) is also definitely worth the money. :) I took advantage of the same offer, but my choices are probably more ridiculable: U2 - "War", Pixies - "Bossanova", Smashing Pumpkins - "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness", PJ Harvey - "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea", Daft Punk - "Homework". ("Discovery" was one of my favourite albums of last year.) Andrew - -- "While you make pretty speeches, I'm being cut to shreds." - - Radiohead, "Like Spinning Plates" ('I Might Be Wrong: Live Recordings') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:39:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > I really liked that 70s detroit/philly soul stuff actually - > between the fag-end of glam and punk it was probably the stuff I listened to > most. Certanly a splendid alternative to the old prog pants favoured by many > classmates at the time.... > > Mark my sister used to play soul and 'disco' stuff to death so although i liked the odd record like 'rock your baby', 'queen of clubs', 'dolly my love' and 'fool' (al mathews) i wasn't a fan overall at the time till chic and sylvester came along. but i love a lot of that stuff now (well i don't have to listen to the rubbish stuff as well now). 'hang on in there baby' where johnny bristol out marvins mr gaye is a truly great luurrvve song and the o'jays 'love train' is for me one of THE great singles of all time. 'get on board' indeed! keith n.p. ayeshanti - natacha atlas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:28:58 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Mr. Lynn, you are fortunate enough to be young enough not to actually have been alive when those songs were AM pop hits. I was. And to tell you the truth it was pure torture. They were played incessently. I still shudder with just the memory of G'O'Sully - and what's worse, "Alone again ...." was an even bigger hit. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > In a message dated 4/4/02 3:27:14 PM Central Standard Time, > keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > << it reminds me of a friend of mine who said he called his daughter Claire > after the Gilbert O'Sullivan record. That was fortunate I thought - if she'd > have been born a few months earlier she'd have been called 'Ooh Wakka Doo > Wakka Day'. And sad gett that i am, i call her that to this very day! > > Keith >> > > I love that record! kinda reminds me of My Cherie Amour by Stevie Wonder...on > casual listen you think they are both talking about their lovers but > O'Sullivan is talking about babysitting his niece and Wonder is talking about > his daughter...i also love every depressing second of Alone Again Naturally > by O'Sullivan...I think it is so chillingly ironic that he committed > suicide....i love a lot of that old 60's and 70's pop..or as any television > K.Tel-esque compilation would call it: "breeze rock"... > > Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:39:50 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Excuse me Dan, Which Outsiders are you referring to? i am pleased to have found the outsiders' vital years disc on clearance for $3.99 a couple of months ago at the little shop a mile from the house ... god knows when the owner had ordered it, but he said ruefully that he'd done so under the mistaken impression that it was a comp of stuff by the old dutch band by that name (about whom i know nothing other than the fact that the lead singer was named wally tax). actually, i guess even that's a good thing -- at least he didn't think they were the u.s. band of time won't let me golden-oldie fame. in any event, needless to say none of his customers had shown the slightest interest ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:12:41 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation The Outsiders were one of the most interesting and influencial 60's bands in Holland. It's well known Kurt Cobain listened to them a lot. Singer Wally Tax now is somewhat of an old and confused hippie, but at their peak the band was pretty wild, sometimes a bit Stooges-like. Check: http://home.iae.nl/users/vdmark/outbioe.htm Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com Stephen wrote: > Excuse me Dan, > Which Outsiders are you referring to? > > i am pleased to have > found the outsiders' vital years disc on clearance for $3.99 a couple of > months ago at the little shop a mile from the house ... > > god knows when the owner had ordered it, but he said ruefully that he'd done > so under the mistaken impression that it was a comp of stuff by the old > dutch band by that name (about whom i know nothing other than the fact that > the lead singer was named wally tax). actually, i guess even that's a good > thing -- at least he didn't think they were the u.s. band of time won't let > me golden-oldie fame. in any event, needless to say none of his customers > had shown the slightest interest ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:24:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation stephen you're so harsh! i know what you mean - and there are definitely no G.O.S. records hidden in my collection (honestly!), but there was something kind of unique about old gilbert - particularly that early image when he looked like some kid from the war. that was the time when he released 'we will' which had a rather smashing couplet like this if i remember correctly... that afternoon we spent the day with uncle sam and remember auntie may tell me that's not poetry. ok it isn't but i like it... keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Graziano To: ; ; Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > Mr. Lynn, you are fortunate enough to be young enough not to actually have > been alive when those songs were AM pop hits. I was. And to tell you the > truth it was pure torture. They were played incessently. I still shudder > with just the memory of G'O'Sully - and what's worse, "Alone again ...." was > an even bigger hit. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > > > > In a message dated 4/4/02 3:27:14 PM Central Standard Time, > > keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > > > << it reminds me of a friend of mine who said he called his daughter > Claire > > after the Gilbert O'Sullivan record. That was fortunate I thought - if > she'd > > have been born a few months earlier she'd have been called 'Ooh Wakka Doo > > Wakka Day'. And sad gett that i am, i call her that to this very day! > > > > Keith >> > > > > I love that record! kinda reminds me of My Cherie Amour by Stevie > Wonder...on > > casual listen you think they are both talking about their lovers but > > O'Sullivan is talking about babysitting his niece and Wonder is talking > about > > his daughter...i also love every depressing second of Alone Again > Naturally > > by O'Sullivan...I think it is so chillingly ironic that he committed > > suicide....i love a lot of that old 60's and 70's pop..or as any > television > > K.Tel-esque compilation would call it: "breeze rock"... > > > > Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:21:18 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Well, I was not generalising Robert, it was just my personal opinion... Cheers... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > << As a 13/14 year old I got Zeit, Paedra, Rubicon and [later on] Ricochet > [wich I did not like as much [OMG... they sing!]. It all fitted in nicely > with reading Tolkien and such. > I don't know any of their later work. > > What can I say... good memories but to me it doesn't stand the test of time > as well as e.g. Kraftwerk. > > Bart >> > > The first 5 stand up just as well as Kraftwerk's first five.... > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:25:53 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation The 1977 punk band called the Outsiders that evolved into the Sound. They made 2 albums, the first of which is called, tragically, "Calling on Youth". Mark << Excuse me Dan, Which Outsiders are you referring to? >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:26:26 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 OK; YOU LOT IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK GILB'Y O SULL'Y.... ANYONE UP FOR LEO SAYER... NOW WE ARE TALKIING... YOU CAN'T KNOCK" I FEEL LIKE DANCING" MY TOES TWITCH EVERY TIME I HEAR THAT SNAPPY LITTLE NUMBER. LEO.. COME BACK YOU GROOVY LITTLE CLOWN. KEEP THE MESSAGES FLYING. CHEERS DAVID.. IN CORNWALL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:44:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 Poor little Leo - the Paul Young of the 70's I thought. I hate 'You make me feel like dancing', though I used to have a laugh at Leo's vain attempt at strutting his stuff. Joking apart there's a big L.S. re-issue campaign on at the moment if you REALLY like him... Today I have sent messages about Gilbert O'Sullivan and Leo Sayer and I answered a message on a Julian Cope website the other night about Hurricane bloody Smith. Bloody hell. Is this my public way of saying i'm cracking up?!? Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Heale To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > OK; YOU LOT IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK > GILB'Y O SULL'Y.... ANYONE UP FOR LEO SAYER... NOW WE ARE TALKIING... YOU > CAN'T KNOCK" I FEEL LIKE DANCING" > MY TOES TWITCH EVERY TIME I HEAR THAT SNAPPY LITTLE NUMBER. > LEO.. COME BACK YOU GROOVY LITTLE CLOWN. > KEEP THE MESSAGES FLYING. > CHEERS DAVID.. IN CORNWALL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:49:38 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > The 1977 punk band called the Outsiders that evolved into the Sound. They > made 2 albums, the first of which is called, tragically, "Calling on Youth". > > Mark ah, but would we have thought it was tragic then??? keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:57:54 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation It did seem a bit lame! Mark << > The 1977 punk band called the Outsiders that evolved into the Sound. They > made 2 albums, the first of which is called, tragically, "Calling on Youth". > > Mark ah, but would we have thought it was tragic then??? >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:00:33 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 << Today I have sent messages about Gilbert O'Sullivan and Leo Sayer and I answered a message on a Julian Cope website the other night about Hurricane bloody Smith. Bloody hell. Is this my public way of saying i'm cracking up?!? >> Different class, Norman. Can you imagine if Gilbert O'Sullivan had produced Piper at the gates of dawn? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:20:41 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/5/02 6:35:02 AM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << my sister used to play soul and 'disco' stuff to death so although i liked the odd record like 'rock your baby', 'queen of clubs', 'dolly my love' and 'fool' (al mathews) i wasn't a fan overall at the time till chic and sylvester came along. but i love a lot of that stuff now (well i don't have to listen to the rubbish stuff as well now). 'hang on in there baby' where johnny bristol out marvins mr gaye is a truly great luurrvve song and the o'jays 'love train' is for me one of THE great singles of all time. 'get on board' indeed! keith >> don't forget Backstabbers by the O'Jays...Strawberry Letter 23 or Stomp by the Brothers Johnson....almost anything by Earth, Wind, and Fire especially Let's Groove....Grooveline by Heatwave...most Sylvester(as you said) ...most Chic , but especially I Want Your Love....Summer Madness by Kool and the Gang...Love's Theme by Barry White's Love Unlimited Orchestra...anything by Al Green...anything by the Stylistics...When will i see you again by the Three Degrees...Do You Love What You Feel and Aint Nobody by Rufus & Chaka Khan..Rock the Boat by Hues Corporation...Fantastic Voyage by Lakeside...just to name a few! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:00:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > << Today I have sent messages about Gilbert O'Sullivan and Leo Sayer and I > answered a message on a Julian Cope website the other night about Hurricane > bloody Smith. Bloody hell. Is this my public way of saying i'm cracking > up?!? >> > > Different class, Norman. Can you imagine if Gilbert O'Sullivan had produced > Piper at the gates of dawn? > > Mark I'VE GOT A BIKE AND I RIDE IT WHERE I LIKE GET DOWN YOU'RE A BAD DOG BABY BUT I STILL WANT YOU AROUND THAT AFTERNOON WE SPENT THE DAY WITH LUCIFER SAM AND REMEMBER AUNTIE MAY Yeah. I think it could work... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:02:30 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Interesting. I'm not familiar with them. I worked with a really good NYC band called Band of Outsiders in the early 80's. Sort of a Television/Soft Boys/Beatles/60's Kinks thingy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > The 1977 punk band called the Outsiders that evolved into the Sound. They > made 2 albums, the first of which is called, tragically, "Calling on Youth". > > Mark > > << Excuse me Dan, > Which Outsiders are you referring to? >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:03:36 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 How about "Dancing in the Moonlight" by King Harvest, or "Brandy (You're a Fine Girl)" by Looking Glass? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Heale" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 > OK; YOU LOT IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK > GILB'Y O SULL'Y.... ANYONE UP FOR LEO SAYER... NOW WE ARE TALKIING... YOU > CAN'T KNOCK" I FEEL LIKE DANCING" > MY TOES TWITCH EVERY TIME I HEAR THAT SNAPPY LITTLE NUMBER. > LEO.. COME BACK YOU GROOVY LITTLE CLOWN. > KEEP THE MESSAGES FLYING. > CHEERS DAVID.. IN CORNWALL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:12:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > don't forget Backstabbers by the O'Jays...Strawberry Letter 23 or Stomp by > the Brothers Johnson....almost anything by Earth, Wind, and Fire especially > Let's Groove.... not a big ewf fan but i love that one (and 'sept') > Grooveline by Heatwave...most Sylvester(as you said) ...most > Chic , but especially I Want Your Love.... oh yeah!!! > Summer Madness by Kool and the > Gang...Love's Theme by Barry White's Love Unlimited Orchestra...anything by > Al Green...anything by the Stylistics...When will i see you again by the > Three Degrees... hated that at the time but love it now... > Do You Love What You Feel and Aint Nobody by Rufus & Chaka > Khan.. time to dig 'aint nobody' out and give it a whirl i think... > Rock the Boat by Hues Corporation...Fantastic Voyage by Lakeside...just > to name a few! > > Robert Lynn and 'going back to my roots' (oddyssey), 'papa was a rolling stone' (all 12 mins of album version) and 'just my imagination' (and virtually anything else by the temps) and going off a tangent slightly - 'shaft' and lots of curtis mayfield inc. his final (post-accident) album 'new world order'. the lengths he must have gone to make that album... keith n.p. 'the deejays' (old reggae comp. with u-roy, i-roy, big youth etc on) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:12:00 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT. MESSAGE NO.1 Unfortunately we've been subjected to a dreary cover version of this (by Toploader) which was used in a series TV ads for Sainsburys supermarket which featured execrable cockney wanker TV chef Jamie Oliver. Come the glorious day, TV chefs will be first against the wall... << How about "Dancing in the Moonlight" by King Harvest, >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:11:58 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation If you're 34, then you were born within a year of 1970. "My Cherie Amour" was a hit in '69 and GillyOSull's recs hit in 1972, so you missed one completely and was only 2 when the other was a hit. Of course in that 69 - 72 period, I was referring to, and listened incessantly to AM chart radio, you seem to be referring to FM album cuts rock, which indeed was what propelled me rapidly toward a punk/new wave/alternative consciousness, by 1977, though the FM NYC stations were more Foreigner, Zeppelin, Sprinsteen, Floyd, Bad Co, Purple, Elton John, Styx, Allman's, and that horrible parade of left coast soft rockers whose names I dare not mention (ok, I'll mention them - Eagles, F. Mac, Jackson (the horror!) Browne) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > In a message dated 4/5/02 7:50:31 AM Central Standard Time, > sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > > << They were played incessently. I still shudder > with just the memory of G'O'Sully - and what's worse, "Alone again ...." was > an even bigger hit. >> > > well...i am 34..and i remember them being only played occasionally when i was > kid...the radio stations here in the midwest (USA) were too busy playing > Journey, REO Speedwagon, Elton John, Styx, the Carpenters, Fleetwood Mac, > Jefferson Starship, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Stones or > Motown hits...oddball british singers (except for Elton) were not really > welcome on the airwaves...Which i would have enjoyed even as a > kid.....instead I was tortured with all the horrible arena rock sell-out > bands like the above mentioned, as well as the putrid likes of Ted Nugent, > Boston, etc... > > Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:27:26 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation sorry ... guess my tangent was a little more tangential than occurred to me. the subject having been the sound, i was referring to adrian borland's first band, whose lone lp, calling on youth, supposedly was the first self- released uk punk album back in '77 or so. (the vital years cd repeats only 2 of those tracks, i believe.) far more stooges-ish than the sound ever thought of being. dan > Excuse me Dan, > Which Outsiders are you referring to? > > i am pleased to have > found the outsiders' vital years disc on clearance for $3.99 a couple of > months ago at the little shop a mile from the house ... > > god knows when the owner had ordered it, but he said ruefully that he'd done > so under the mistaken impression that it was a comp of stuff by the old > dutch band by that name (about whom i know nothing other than the fact that > the lead singer was named wally tax). actually, i guess even that's a good > thing -- at least he didn't think they were the u.s. band of time won't let > me golden-oldie fame. in any event, needless to say none of his customers > had shown the slightest interest ... - ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 17:40:31 +0100 From: "David Heale" Subject: [idealcopy] SPANNER IN THE WORKS DEPT NO2 Associated Press : For Immediate Release: March, 2002 > > > > French Intellectuals to be Deployed in Afghanistan to Convince > > Taliban of Non-Existence of God > > > > Kabul---The clean-up portion of the ground war in Afghanistan > > heated up yesterday when the Allies revealed plans to airdrop a > > platoon of crack French existentialist philosophers into the country > > to destroy the morale of the remaining Taliban zealots by proving > > the non-existence of God. > > > > Elements from the feared Jean-Paul Sartre Brigade, or 'Black Berets', > > will be parachuted into the combat zones to spread doubt, > > despondency and existential anomie among the enemy. Hardened > > by numerous intellectual battles fought during their long > > occupation of Paris's Left Bank, their first action will be to > > establish a number of sidewalk cafes at strategic points > > near the front lines. > > > > There they will drink coffee and talk animatedly about the absurd > > nature of life and man's lonely isolation in the universe. They will > > be accompanied by a number of heartbreakingly beautiful > > girlfriends who will propagate fear, uncertainty and doubt by > > looking remote and unattainable. > > > > Their leader, Colonel Marc-Ange Belmondo, spoke yesterday of his > > confidence in the success of their mission. Sorbonne graduate > > Belmondo, a very intense and unshaven young man in a black > > pullover, gesticulated wildly and said, "The Taliban are caught in a > > logical fallacy of the most ridiculous proportions. There is no God > > and I can prove it." > > > > Marc-Ange plans to deliver an impassioned thesis on man's > > inescapapable lack of freedom of action, with special reference to > > the work of Foucault and the films of Alfred Hitchcock. > > > > However, humanitarian agencies have been quick to condemn the > > operation as inhumane, pointing out that the effects of passive > > smoke from the Frenchmens' endless Gauloises and Gitanes could > > wreak a terrible toll on civilians in the area. > > > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > > > > Eric Brunner > > > > Dept Epidemiology & Public Health > > University College London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:13:46 +0100 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Ooh, off the top of my head..."I Could have Loved Ya" by Narada Michael Walden, "Can You Feel the Force" by the Real Thing, "Automatic Lover" by J Jay Jackson, then there's the glorious Giorgio Moroder stuff with Donna Summer (need I mention titles?) but please, not the 3 Degrees "When Will I See You Again", try the Moroder produced "Giving Up, Giving In" or "The Runner". Too numerous to mention, wha? j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > > don't forget Backstabbers by the O'Jays...Strawberry Letter 23 or Stomp by > > the Brothers Johnson....almost anything by Earth, Wind, and Fire > especially > > Let's Groove.... > > not a big ewf fan but i love that one (and 'sept') > > > Grooveline by Heatwave...most Sylvester(as you said) ...most > > Chic , but especially I Want Your Love.... > > oh yeah!!! > > > Summer Madness by Kool and the > > Gang...Love's Theme by Barry White's Love Unlimited Orchestra...anything > by > > Al Green...anything by the Stylistics...When will i see you again by the > > Three Degrees... > > hated that at the time but love it now... > > > Do You Love What You Feel and Aint Nobody by Rufus & Chaka > > Khan.. > > time to dig 'aint nobody' out and give it a whirl i think... > > > Rock the Boat by Hues Corporation...Fantastic Voyage by Lakeside...just > > to name a few! > > > > Robert Lynn > > and 'going back to my roots' (oddyssey), 'papa was a rolling stone' (all 12 > mins of album version) and 'just my imagination' (and virtually anything > else by the temps) and going off a tangent slightly - 'shaft' and lots of > curtis mayfield inc. his final (post-accident) album 'new world order'. the > lengths he must have gone to make that album... > keith > > n.p. 'the deejays' (old reggae comp. with u-roy, i-roy, big youth etc on) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:25:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] Fad Gadget I have that live cd from last year if anybody would like a copy. It's a great way to remember him. Cheers, Billy ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:47:58 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation hmmm ... i'm not sure i was aware there was a 2nd lp. (i picked up the first one about 5 years ago.) must look into how the track listing compares to vital years ... dan > > The 1977 punk band called the Outsiders that evolved into the Sound. They > > made 2 albums, the first of which is called, tragically, "Calling on > Youth". > > > > Mark > > ah, but would we have thought it was tragic then??? > keith > > - ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:15:02 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] pete buck just read on the teletext that the r.e.m guitarist has been found not guilty of air rage. air company still going to sue however... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:24:29 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Outsiders Dan, << hmmm ... i'm not sure i was aware there was a 2nd lp. (i picked up the first one about 5 years ago.) must look into how the track listing compares to vital years ... >> There was indeed a second Outsiders album (which I've seen but never heard). This from the Borland web site www.brittleheaven.com Mark >>The group remained with the label funded by Borland's parents (!) Raw Edge - - a small profit being made by all concerned. The groups final vinyl bow was "Close Up" which was recorded in the comparatively Hi-Tech Spaceward Studios, Cambridge in the summer of 78. Most other recording had been made in the Borland family front room on a 4 track Teac. The results of the Spaceward sessions were probably the groups most concise statements and hinted at where Borland would go with his Eighties outfit "THE SOUND" The similarities between the music of the Outsiders and Warsaw an early incarnation of Joy Division are unavoidable and 1977's "Freeway" shows that Joy Division, specifically "Shadow Play" weren't the first band to strike out with variations on Iggy Pop's "The Idiot"! Alienation was the order of these particular days. Drummer Adrian Janes showed robust concern for the coherence and validity of the lyrics. A duty he shared with Borland, Janes contributing the larger amount. He considered words to be an added weapon along with the generally savage tone of guitars and rumble of Bob Lawrence bass. "It's an other area of possibilities let's make the best use of it" was his thrust and lyrically The Outsiders certainly stood apart, at least from most of their contemporaries with the exception of Magazine and a few others. The song "New Uniform" represents a return swipe at a scene which generally exiled them for having grammar school accents and shoulder length hair (the Patti Smith Group and the Ramones were frequently cited by the band in defense against the latter charges.) << ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #99 ******************************