From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #97 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 4 2002 Volume 05 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Bristol [Mark McQuitty ] Re: [idealcopy] Bristol [giluz ] [idealcopy] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20idealcopy=2Ddigest=20V5=20=2396?= [ste] Re: [idealcopy] If it's not 'Because We Must'... ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn 01 b [Mr Grumpy ] Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn 01 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] Made me go hmmm..... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation ["ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Bristol I'm expecting that the Ideal Copy 'massive' will be in attendance for the upcoming Bristol gig on Friday 19th April, so how will you guys be recognised by other list members who haven't previously 'had the pleasure'? Wonderful news about the new CD, I'm wondering will we get to hear Graham stepping up to the mike at last? Who on the list has heard it already? Come on, I know some of you are 'in the know' :) See y'all at Bristol. Mark M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:53:45 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bristol on 04/04/02 13:14, Mark McQuitty at Mark.McQuitty@dickinsoncontrol.co.uk wrote: > Wonderful news about the new CD, I'm wondering will we get to hear Graham > stepping up to the mike at last? Who on the list has heard it already? Come > on, I know some of you are 'in the know' :) There are two songs on RealAudio on the PostEverything site. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:52:35 +0000 From: steven_brooks@lineone.net Subject: [idealcopy] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20idealcopy=2Ddigest=20V5=20=2396?= Time to stop lurking. Steve Brooks; soon-to-be 37; married, two kids; live in SE England, work in London. I've been reading the digest for about two years, have found the list to be a great source of information and have picked up on stuff like Boards of Canada, GYBE/Mt. Zion, etc. just on listers recommendations. Anyway, whilst simultaneously listening to my recently acquired 'One of our girls' and reading the Mute web-site A.C. Marias blurb, I foud this and wondered if this might answer Keith's question re. Michael Clark: Bruce's first LP for the label was 1984's 'This Way', the results of a collaboration with a then notorious young ballet dancer, Michael Clark. "He was doing some choreography for a dance company and he wanted to use five tracks from the first Wire album," Gilbert recalled. "He asked if I minded and it all started from there, really. We started meeting and talking informally about ideas around the vague internal structure that he was already working from. It wasn't a partnership as such, he just had tapes of slices of New York life which I used as my source material and I knew it was going to be a three part dance movement, but apart from that I had to use my own instincts. Some of the ideas I already and it was an opportunity to expand on them." The finished piece served as the opening sequence to Michael Clark and Company's debut performance at London's Riverside Studios and the Edinburgh Festival, 1984. The segment was entitled 'Do You Me? I Did', and Gilbert's finale, described in the NME as "the most chaotic and apocalyptic conclusion this side of Laibach," impressed Clark enough to rethink the last sequence. There's more at http://www.mute.com/mute/gilbert/gilbert.htm Anon, Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:09:18 +0100 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] If it's not 'Because We Must'... Keith, Did a little search and came up with this: "Bruce's first LP for [Mute] was 1984's 'This Way', the results of a collaboration with a then notorious young ballet dancer, Michael Clark. "He was doing some choreography for a dance company and he wanted to use five tracks from the first Wire album," Gilbert recalled. "He asked if I minded and it all started from there, really. We started meeting and talking informally about ideas around the vague internal structure that he was already working from. It wasn't a partnership as such, he just had tapes of slices of New York life which I used as my source material and I knew it was going to be a three part dance movement, but apart from that I had to use my own instincts. Some of the ideas I already and it was an opportunity to expand on them." The finished piece served as the opening sequence to Michael Clark and Company's debut performance at London's Riverside Studios and the Edinburgh Festival, 1984. The segment was entitled 'Do You Me? I Did', and Gilbert's finale, described in the NME as "the most chaotic and apocalyptic conclusion this side of Laibach," impressed Clark enough to rethink the last sequence." "Before the arrival of the first album from the rejuvenated quartet, 'The Ideal Copy' in April '87, Bruce released his second Mute LP 'The Shivering Man' in March of that year, which as a further commission for Michael Clark, provided a largely instrumental counterpoint to Wire's pop technology." so it could be anything from that period. I've also sent a request for more information to Rambert so I'll let y'all know if that turns anything up. Cheers, jerry (trying to be of some use) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] If it's not 'Because We Must'... > > BWM was part of a channel 4 ballet show called , ahem , BWM. it featured 3 > > "dome" tracks , only one I , get out of that rain and BWM (the version > > without all the lyrics). i think "there's a hole in the sky" was recorded > for > > this , but it isn't in the show. this wasn't done as ballet rambert , just > > michael clark "solo" (his company?). not sure if that answers yr question > > mind....p > > No, not really, but thanks all the same. > I'm almost certain that the track I heard pre-dated 1989. Something in the > back of my mind is telling me it might just have been a Gilbert track as > opposed to Dome that Ballet Rambert performed to though. > Keith > fittingly enough n.p. tv spot - bruce gilbert (sacrilege LP) (thanks > Alistair) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:12:18 +0100 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V5 #96 Oops, sent mine before I read this! j - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V5 #96 > Time to stop lurking. > > Steve Brooks; soon-to-be 37; married, two kids; live in SE England, work > in London. I've been reading the digest for about two years, have found > the list to be a great source of information and have picked up on stuff > like Boards of Canada, GYBE/Mt. Zion, etc. just on listers recommendations. > > Anyway, whilst simultaneously listening to my recently acquired 'One of > our girls' and reading the Mute web-site A.C. Marias blurb, I foud this > and wondered if this might answer Keith's question re. Michael Clark: > > Bruce's first LP for the label was 1984's 'This Way', the results of a > collaboration with a then notorious young ballet dancer, Michael Clark. > "He was doing some choreography for a dance company and he wanted to use > five tracks from the first Wire album," Gilbert recalled. "He asked if I > minded and it all started from there, really. We started meeting and talking > informally about ideas around the vague internal structure that he was already > working from. It wasn't a partnership as such, he just had tapes of slices > of New York life which I used as my source material and I knew it was going > to be a three part dance movement, but apart from that I had to use my own > instincts. Some of the ideas I already and it was an opportunity to expand > on them." The finished piece served as the opening sequence to Michael Clark > and Company's debut performance at London's Riverside Studios and the Edinburgh > Festival, 1984. The segment was entitled 'Do You Me? I Did', and Gilbert's > finale, described in the NME as "the most chaotic and apocalyptic conclusion > this side of Laibach," impressed Clark enough to rethink the last sequence. > > > There's more at http://www.mute.com/mute/gilbert/gilbert.htm > > Anon, > Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:26:13 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn 01 And there are two new songs to stream! - ----- Original Message ----- From: giluz To: ideal copy Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:14 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Read & Burn 01 > http://www.posteverything.com/artists/release.php?id=1743 has some more on > the new CD single, and you can already preorder! > > Now, why am I (again) the first one to notice this? > > giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:58:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn 01 b Too much time spent at posteverything?? Will the signed print be autographed by everyone in the band? I was unable to tell from the description. Cheers, Billy - --- giluz wrote: > http://www.posteverything.com/artists/release.php?id=1743 > has some more on > the new CD single, and you can already preorder! > > Now, why am I (again) the first one to notice this? > > giluz ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:45:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn 01 > http://www.posteverything.com/artists/release.php?id=1743 has some more on > the new CD single, and you can already preorder! > > Now, why am I (again) the first one to notice this? > > giluz Giluz You are truly the great wire detective! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:03:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] If it's not 'Because We Must'... > so it could be anything from that period. I've also sent a request for more > information to Rambert so I'll let y'all know if that turns anything up. > > Cheers, > jerry (trying to be of some use) Thanks Jerry and Steve. It'd help if i could find the programme! had a look yesterday, but no avail. Did find an old nme (5/3/88) which had the 'Kidney Bingoes' review, c/o Steven Wells. 'Kidney Bingo is actually a great idea for an aggressive carnivorous working class pastime. This is actually a boring record'. (that's the review in it's entirity folks. Hmmm....) His single of the week? 'I won't feel bad' by Simply Red (can't even remember that one), though as the review included a variation on the old joke about the difference between a the teardop explodes and a bull (a bull has the horns at the front and the prick at the back...) I suspect he wasn't being entirely serious. As a matter of interest the same edition had reviews of the following albums... I'm your man (Leonard Cohen) - 8/10 Heresie (Virgin Prunes) - 7/10 Frenz Experiment (Fall) - 6 and 1/3 And if anyone wants to know what rating the Gillan & Glover LP (Accidentally on Purpose) received they can mail me off-site! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:34:57 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Chris listed some of his listening choices as of late: << Band Of Susans - Veil>>>> i really need to check out Band of Susans...any suggestions for what to start with? Eno & Schwalm --Drawn From Life>>>>> i heard that this is pretty good...actual songs as opposed to abstract soundscapes?.. Sigur Ros -Svefn-g-Englar (Christ this is excellent!!!)>>>>>> Can't remember if this is the one i have...hmmmm...whichever one i have IS amazing..such beautiful music..AND..have any of you seen any of the videos? they are awesome!..like little short films...one is of two boys who are friends and play on the same football team together and after one of them scores the winning goal they collapse on top of each other in a celebratory embrace..then, much to the horror of one of the boy's macho, overbearing father, they start kissing! the videos are done in slow motion which gives them an eerie feeling... Tangerine Dream - Atem>>>>> ahhh, nice to see someone appreciating one of the first 5 Tangerine Dream albums! I sing the praises of T-dream all the time...unfortunately, most people have only been exposed to their "new age" sequencer driven trance rock....for anyone wanting to hear truly beautiful music from another world that is really hard to describe, please check out Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem, and even Phaedra to see what you've missed all these years...truly a revelation for me when i discovered these gems... Broadcast Echoes -Answer>>>>> Broadcast are one of my favorite "bands"....they do the "pop" thing without being "ironic" or kitschy in an annoying way... The Hafler Trio & The Sons Of God -Resurrection (Cookers & Baths as instruments --HMMM )>>>>> The Hafler Trio are an addiction of mine! most of their cds come in lovely wallet packaging....ANY fan of Bruce Gilbert's solo stuff should definitely investigate...Resurrection is an interesting piece indeed...check out the trilogy: Mastery of Money...Kill the King...How to Reform Mankind...some of the older stuff like A Thirty Fish are good too..the booklets are usually worth the price of the cd alone..the Hafler Trio have a knack for propaganda that makes you feel like you've just bought the most important cd/artifact in the world....brilliant! Kitchens Of Distinction - Cowboys & Aliens >>>>>> I wasn't even sure if they were still making music...i have the first few albums and like them well enough...i feel they were really underrated..one of the best atmospheric guitar bands... seems like you've been having a blast listening to some great stuff Chris..thanks for sharing! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:37:29 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 3:02:16 AM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << I was served by a girl in a record shop (the excellent 'Fopp' in Leamington Spa) a few yrs back whose name was 'Phaedra'. 'After the Tangerine Dream album?' I inquired. 'Yes' she said wearily. 'My parents were hippies'. >> Well, she should be thankful...it could have been worse...here parents could have named her Inagaddadavida ! RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:12:54 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation my listening pleasures have also been all over the place lately...in the last few weeks: Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (it was Marvin's Birthday the other day) The Slits - Cut The Pop Group - How Much Longer Lee Scratch Perry and Friends: Open the Gate Augustus Pablo -East of the River Nile Nonesuch Explorer Series: Tibetan Buddhism Tantras of Gyuoto: Mahakala Nonesuch Explorer Series: Balinese Gamelan: Golden Rain: Ketjak Ramayana Monkey Chant Nonesuch Explorer Series: Japanese Shakuhachi: A Bell Ringing in an Empty Sky Boards of Canada - Geogaddi ISAN - Digitalis Violet Indiana - Roulette Pet Shop Boys - Release Spinners - The Best of (I'll Be Around is such a great song) This Heat - Deceit A Certain Ratio - To Each Parliament Funkadelic - Brides of Funkenstein WAR - The World is a Ghetto (Four Cornered Room is one of my all time favorites!) The Orb - Adventures Beyond the Ultra-world KLF - Chill Out Jesus & Mary Chain - Darklands Ultramarine - Happy Kingdom (features 2 tracks with Robert Wyatt!) Robert Wyatt - The Animals Film Robert Wyatt - the 80's (actually this Old Rottenhat expanded with bonus tracks) Current 93 - In Menstrual Night Current 93 - Where the Long Shadows Fall Nurse With Wound - Large Ladies With Cake in the Oven Ornette Coleman - Virgin Beauty Curve - Doppleganger My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Claude Young - Soft Thru Derrick May - Innovator Model 500- Classics Wire - Ideal Copy A Bell is a Cup It's Beginning to and Back Again Manscape Wir - The First Letter i was in an 80's Wire kind of mood! can't wait for the new stuff! anything on my list intrigue, disgust, or make anyone smile? Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:27:56 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] If it's not 'Because We Must'... Keith, I suspect it might have been Do you me? I did (off This Way) which was a commission for Bruce from Michael Clark. Could have been Shivering man - which consisted of Michale Clark covered in dust/flour literally shivering and shaking (so the dust formed a cloud around him). I always thought Shivering Man was only performed twice, both times at Wire gigs (Bloomsbury and Town & Country, both of which I saw) though I may be wrong. Mark << I'm almost certain that the track I heard pre-dated 1989. Something in the back of my mind is telling me it might just have been a Gilbert track as opposed to Dome that Ballet Rambert performed to though. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:49:21 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation << > & HeHeHeHe Rick Wakeman - Journey To The Centre Of The Earth > PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE & SMOKE IT ! For once I'm speechless. You'll be skating across ice dressed as King Arthur next !!! >> With a horse costume in the manner of Bernie Clifton's Ostrich on Crackerjack.... (this comment only meaningful to ageing Brittttish Tosssers) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:03:26 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation [amongst others] Robert heard: > Curve - Doppleganger > My Bloody Valentine - Loveless > anything on my list intrigue, disgust, or make anyone smile? Definitly a smile Robert! I saw an excellent doppleconcert by these two at the Amsterdam Paradiso [1991?]. Valentine lived up to their expectations by blowing the PA to bits. Curve just had to wait till it was fixed [took almost an hour], but it was worth it. Fine fine memory... Cheers... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:06:08 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 10:49:54 AM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << < > & HeHeHeHe Rick Wakeman - Journey To The Centre Of The Earth > PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE & SMOKE IT ! For once I'm speechless. You'll be skating across ice dressed as King Arthur next !!! >> With a horse costume in the manner of Bernie Clifton's Ostrich on Crackerjack.... (this comment only meaningful to ageing Brittttish Tosssers) Mark >> HAHAHAHAHA but sounds funny nonetheless to the ageing Americccan Tosssers Branch....keep up the good work! Cheers! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:07:16 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 11:06:34 AM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << HAHAHAHAHA but sounds funny nonetheless to the ageing Americccan Tosssers Branch....keep up the good work! Cheers! Robert >> or should i have said: Keep Tosssing! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:07:31 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Made me go hmmm..... Hey copyists~~ Found a description of a 'Clinic' concert on a recent 'Raindogs' posting. > During the concert I realized that, if I were to > compare them to anyone, I'd go for a cross between > Radiohead, Wire and The Violent Femmes, but they're > pretty distinctly Clinic-like and busily inventing > their own thing. Anyone familiar with them? Any recommendations??? Bueller??....Bueller?? Planning on a visit to Posteverything today! Looking forward to hearing new Wire is a gross understatement!! Glad to hear some Tangerine Dream popping up on playlists as well. I'd add 'Stratosfear' and 'Rubycon' to the list of TD favorites! Hasta!! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:08:25 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 11:06:34 AM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << HAHAHAHAHA but sounds funny nonetheless to the ageing Americccan Tosssers Branch....keep up the good work! Cheers! Robert >> or i could have said: Tosss on! oh dear...i'll get me coat...i seem to have too much time on my hands today...and maybe a bit too much caffeine..... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:10:29 +0100 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Or Carry On Tossing... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > In a message dated 4/4/02 11:06:34 AM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com > writes: > > << HAHAHAHAHA but sounds funny nonetheless to the ageing Americccan Tosssers > Branch....keep up the good work! Cheers! > > Robert > >> > > or i could have said: Tosss on! > oh dear...i'll get me coat...i seem to have too much time on my hands > today...and maybe a bit too much caffeine..... > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:15:14 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Made me go hmmm..... In a message dated 4/4/02 11:07:10 AM Central Standard Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: << Hey copyists~~ Found a description of a 'Clinic' concert on a recent 'Raindogs' posting. > During the concert I realized that, if I were to > compare them to anyone, I'd go for a cross between > Radiohead, Wire and The Violent Femmes, but they're > pretty distinctly Clinic-like and busily inventing > their own thing. Anyone familiar with them? >> Clinic is great!!! their new album "Walking with Thee" is fantastic! Let me state here and now that the song "Equaliser" is my pick (so far) as my absolute favorite song of the year !! it is sooo damn catchy, in a good way...in Clinic i hear: Neu! Velvet Underground, Wire, Radiohead (ugh)..who they have been opening for in the past year......they show great promise....the Internal Wrangler album is good too!.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:20:10 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation Robert wrote: > Tangerine Dream - Atem>>>>> > > ahhh, nice to see someone appreciating one of the first 5 Tangerine Dream > albums! I sing the praises of T-dream all the time...unfortunately, most > people have only been exposed to their "new age" sequencer driven trance > rock....for anyone wanting to hear truly beautiful music from another world > that is really hard to describe, please check out Electronic Meditation, > Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem, and even Phaedra to see what you've missed all > these years...truly a revelation for me when i discovered these gems... As a 13/14 year old I got Zeit, Paedra, Rubicon and [later on] Ricochet [wich I did not like as much [OMG... they sing!]. It all fitted in nicely with reading Tolkien and such. I don't know any of their later work. What can I say... good memories but to me it doesn't stand the test of time as well as e.g. Kraftwerk. Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:28:21 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 11:20:16 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << As a 13/14 year old I got Zeit, Paedra, Rubicon and [later on] Ricochet [wich I did not like as much [OMG... they sing!]. It all fitted in nicely with reading Tolkien and such. I don't know any of their later work. What can I say... good memories but to me it doesn't stand the test of time as well as e.g. Kraftwerk. Bart >> The first 5 stand up just as well as Kraftwerk's first five.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:34:11 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 11:20:16 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << As a 13/14 year old I got Zeit, Paedra, Rubicon and [later on] Ricochet [wich I did not like as much [OMG... they sing!]. It all fitted in nicely with reading Tolkien and such. I don't know any of their later work. >> as far as i remember, there are no vocals on the live Richochet (which was right after, and sounds similar to Rubycon)...you must be thinking of Cyclone....the vocals on that album are done by Steve Jolliffe and are really weird...in general any album after Peter Baumann left was kind of weak..this is probably the weakest..... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:01:00 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation let's see if this shows up on the list sooner than the several-day-delay that usually attends my posts from my e-mail's website ... > Chris listed some of his listening choices as of late: > > << Band Of Susans - Veil>>>> > > i really need to check out Band of Susans...any suggestions for what to start > with? a 2cd retrospective-of-sorts came out in the mid-'90s that i didn't pick up because i've got everything on it except, maybe, a stray instrumental. probably a good place to start ... anyone know the title? > > Kitchens Of Distinction - Cowboys & Aliens > >>>>>> > > I wasn't even sure if they were still making music... dunno that they are. this one came out, geez, probably close to a decade ago, n'est-ce pas? - ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:44:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation At 06:01 PM 4/4/2002 +0000, dpbailey@att.net wrote: >let's see if this shows up on the list sooner than the >several-day-delay that usually attends my posts from my >e-mail's website ... majordomo knows that dpbailey@worldnet.att.net is subscribed to the list, but when it sees dpbailey@att.net, it's not going to infer that the two addresses are the same person, so your posts via the webmail interface bounce as "non-member submissions." So then it's dependent on me to be at my e-mail with the time to attend to bounces and other list admin duties. :-) > > Kitchens Of Distinction - Cowboys & Aliens > > >>>>>> > > > > I wasn't even sure if they were still making music... > >dunno that they are. this one came out, geez, probably close >to a decade ago, n'est-ce pas? Don't make me feel older than I am! :-) '94, which is indeed "close to a decade ago" but I'm clinging on to those two years between eight and ten! 'Twas their final album -- I like it but didn't find it as memorable as any of its predecessors. KOD is still my favorite band of the ones that get lumped into the "shoegazer" catch-all (yes, I like them far better than My Bloody Valentine). Up-to-date news on the ex-members is hard to find -- there were some fugitive projects like Fruit, Esposito, Stephen Hero, and Lorca, but I've never heard a note by any of them. Any KOD-friendly idealcopyists have any of these and care to venture an opinion? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:57:33 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation same disclaimer as my previous e-mail re: sending-to- posting time ... > Spinners - The Best of (I'll Be Around is such a great song) it is ... one of the great soul groups of the '70s. saw the reanimated version (minus the sadly deceased lead singer, of course) a couple of years ago at a memorial day weekend festival back home. only big disappointment was that we didn't get an extended version of the sublime rubberband man. > Current 93 - In Menstrual Night > Current 93 - Where the Long Shadows Fall was playing ... uh ... the one that starts out with the dilly song myself a few nights ago (earth covers earth?). not exactly fields of rape or even crowleymass ... > Curve - Doppleganger need to dig this one out ... the new one (gift?) hasn't gotten enough rotations to make any impression on me. > Wir - The First Letter ditto. no longer able to stand the thought of having arrived here with the disc nowhere to be found (as opposed to the empty sleeve), i ran across town to a used place a couple of weekends ago & picked up a spare (nicely priced at $5.99, luckily). one of the best releases of the '90s. otherwise, i've been mainly listening to joy division's bbc sessions cd. dan - ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:11:44 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Made me go hmmm..... They just played a show here and I was interested although I couldn't go to the show. The pre-show write up defined them as "new wave art-pop" and a review of the show reads as follows: "the band's wiry, Wire-esque pop/punk demands close attention, and the four-some delivered, remaining impossibly tight throughout the 40 minute set and speeding up songs from their new Walking With Thee disc to two and three times their normal tempo." If these Liverpudlians show up in your hometown, it might be worth the bucks, quid, yen. hmmmm indeed. Eric In Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Santa Cruzer Sent: April 4, 2002 12:08 PM To: IdealCopy Subject: [idealcopy] Made me go hmmm..... Hey copyists~~ Found a description of a 'Clinic' concert on a recent 'Raindogs' posting. > During the concert I realized that, if I were to > compare them to anyone, I'd go for a cross between > Radiohead, Wire and The Violent Femmes, but they're > pretty distinctly Clinic-like and busily inventing > their own thing. Anyone familiar with them? Any recommendations??? Bueller??....Bueller?? Planning on a visit to Posteverything today! Looking forward to hearing new Wire is a gross understatement!! Glad to hear some Tangerine Dream popping up on playlists as well. I'd add 'Stratosfear' and 'Rubycon' to the list of TD favorites! Hasta!! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:31:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation << I was served by a girl in a record shop (the excellent 'Fopp' in Leamington << Spa) a few yrs back whose name was 'Phaedra'. 'After the Tangerine Dream << album?' I inquired. 'Yes' she said wearily. 'My parents were hippies'. >> > > Well, she should be thankful...it could have been worse...here parents could > have named her Inagaddadavida ! > > RL it reminds me of a friend of mine who said he called his daughter Claire after the Gilbert O'Sullivan record. That was fortunate I thought - if she'd have been born a few months earlier she'd have been called 'Ooh Wakka Doo Wakka Day'. And sad gett that i am, i call her that to this very day! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:37:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation - ----- Original Message ----- From: > my listening pleasures have also been all over the place lately...in the last > few weeks: > > Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (it was Marvin's Birthday the other day) i know this is the one that the critics wet themselves over, but i prefer 'lets get it on' myself... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:51:55 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > I saw an excellent doppleconcert by these two at the Amsterdam Paradiso > [1991?]. Valentine lived up to their expectations by blowing the PA to bits. > Curve just had to wait till it was fixed [took almost an hour], but it was > worth it. Fine fine memory... > > Bart I saw MBV in Chester in 1989. they were LOUD! a mate of mine - who loved them - thought they sounded like an aeroplane taking off... the support act were called the sperm wails who also impressed. bought a couple of singles by them. one - 'the golden age of the casual' b/w 'the golden age of the carry on' was truly fab. can't remember the name of the venue cos it was a real shortlived one, but i did get to see one other gig there. the walking seeds played past their allotted time and the management switched their sound off mid song ('sunshine of your love' if i remember rightly), but the band didn't bat an eyelid. they just continued minus amplification so that all you could hear were the drums and (to a lesser extent) the vocals. we were v. impressed! keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:55:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Made me go hmmm..... > Clinic is great!!! their new album "Walking with Thee" is fantastic! Let me > state here and now that the song "Equaliser" is my pick (so far) as my > absolute favorite song of the year !! it is sooo damn catchy, in a good > way...in Clinic i hear: Neu! Velvet Underground, Wire, Radiohead (ugh)..who > they have been opening for in the past year......they show great > promise....the Internal Wrangler album is good too!.... > > Robert i was a bit disappointed with 'internal wrangler'. it's ok but having raved over the 'return of evil bill' single i didn't think anything topped that. not heard the new stuff though. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:00:38 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > >dunno that they are. this one came out, geez, probably close > >to a decade ago, n'est-ce pas? > > Don't make me feel older than I am! :-) '94, which is indeed "close to a > decade ago" but I'm clinging on to those two years between eight and > ten! i know what you mean. i felt really old today. i was listening to radio 2 (there's a clue i suppose) and they played that rather good new radicals pop single 'you get what you give' from a few years back and described it as a 'golden oldie'. bloody hell... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:00:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 3:27:14 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << it reminds me of a friend of mine who said he called his daughter Claire after the Gilbert O'Sullivan record. That was fortunate I thought - if she'd have been born a few months earlier she'd have been called 'Ooh Wakka Doo Wakka Day'. And sad gett that i am, i call her that to this very day! Keith >> I love that record! kinda reminds me of My Cherie Amour by Stevie Wonder...on casual listen you think they are both talking about their lovers but O'Sullivan is talking about babysitting his niece and Wonder is talking about his daughter...i also love every depressing second of Alone Again Naturally by O'Sullivan...I think it is so chillingly ironic that he committed suicide....i love a lot of that old 60's and 70's pop..or as any television K.Tel-esque compilation would call it: "breeze rock"... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:08:29 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation In a message dated 4/4/02 3:33:13 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (it was Marvin's Birthday the other day) i know this is the one that the critics wet themselves over, but i prefer 'lets get it on' myself... keith >> yeah but in this instance the critics aren't wrong! there'a a lot of deep stuff in there that Marvin is ruminating on...Let's Get It On (my second fav) was the album where he lightend up and had fun and talked about sex and what not....I Want You was a good album too...but one of the weirdest albums in pop music history has to be Here My Dear..a concept/confessional double album in which Marvin bears his soul about the breakup of his marriage...and ironically his ex wife recieved ALL the royalties from it as per their divorce agreement!...ALSO, it was Marvin's birthday April 2nd and his father shot him one day before his 45th birthday (April 1st 1984)... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:27:00 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] CORRECTION of a horrible mistake! In a message dated 4/4/02 4:00:54 PM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << .i also love every depressing second of Alone Again Naturally by O'Sullivan...I think it is so chillingly ironic that he committed suicide.... >> I just looked it up and Gilbert O'Sullivan did NOT commit suicide! As a matter of fact he is touring the UK this month!..I am sorry for posting that comment...I called my prankster friend and gave him a good thrashing for telling me misinformation....SORRY! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:58:30 -0500 From: "Creaig Dunton" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > > i really need to check out Band of Susans...any suggestions > for what to > start > > with? > > > a 2cd retrospective-of-sorts came out in the mid-'90s that i > didn't pick up > because i've got everything on it except, maybe, a stray instrumental. > probably > a good place to start ... anyone know the title? > It's called _Wired for Sound_ on Blast First. One disc of songs with words, one disc of instrumentals...good compilation, though admittedly it's the only thing of their's I own. (And to make it all Wire related, I bought it after hearing their cover of "Ahead" on _Whore_ ;) ) - -- Creaig Dunton http://www.2fmp.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:20:27 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Heavy Rotation > > Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (it was Marvin's Birthday the other day) > >i know this is the one that the critics wet themselves over, but i >prefer >'lets get it on' myself... hahaha...the family took advantage of the Virgin 5CD's for #30.00 offer last week, one of the purchases was 'Let's Get It On', one of my wife's favourites from her teenage years...she doesn't rate 'What's Goin' On' either...wonder if we bought it on his birthday... just for the record the others were : Captain Beefheart - Ice Cream For Crow 'O Brother, Where Art Thou' soundtrack Jeff Buckley - Grace Foo Fighters - There Is Nothing Left To Lose ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #97 ******************************