From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #84 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 084 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] 'i don't really like music' ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Eurythmics ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Eurythmics [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] Light my fire [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) [MarkBursa@aol.co] [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia [Neil Soiseth ] Re: [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] PSB's on Jonathan Ross ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] 'i don't really like music' 'Over the years, I've come to realise i don't really like music. i do have musical thoughts and there are things i want to try and do musically, but it's an artistic thing rather than a love of music. it's a way of expressing ideas, or hotwiring into your emotions. music can make your heart beat faster or slower'. pete shelley (this months 'uncut' magazine) hmmm. keith p.s. there's also an article about the sound, and the free cd includes joey ramone, brian wilson, the sound, edwyn collins (new track), and everybodies mate moz (late night maudlin street). i like 'uncut' - don't be put off by stings smug face on the cover. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:01:14 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:A lone on Penguin Island I too recently acquired this from WMO and have to say I share Howard's enthusiasm, although perhaps not to the same extent. I never really knew a great deal about the album, but have been curious since some of the past discussion on this list prompted me to sample a few snippets from a website. I think it veers closer to Dome with a guest vocalist than to A-Z, but Howard's comparison, in certain respects, on a couple of tracks, is valid. I also see traces of Singing Fish and Not To, as well as wire circa D&E. Some of the tracks, however, come across as incomplete, and perhaps insubstantial, giving the impression of having been brought to the studio with the intention of developing them in that environment, but succumbing to a lack of studio time. I feel some sympathy with Desmond Simmons as it seems from the sleevenotes that he very possibly had a vision which was usurped by circumstance. It sounds as if he was placed in a situation where he had to give in to a level of input from Lewis and Gilbert that he resented whilst realising they were his only opportunity to get the stuff out. I loaned out my copy of Kevin Eden's book some time ago, so am unsure as to Lewis and Gilbert's take on this affair, but I wonder if they feel in retrospect that they hijacked Simmons's intent. Nonetheless, the outcome is, for me, an interesting and worthwhile album - one that is, given Desmond Simmons's relationship with Wire and co very much a part of the Wire extended family output. Is this his only release in his own right? Was he ever involved with Interferon (which if I recall correctly featured Simon Gillham from Soft Option and Not To)? I quite liked their 'Get Out of London' single. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Spencer To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re:A lone on Penguin Island > Bought this in the great WMO sale. It is one that previously I thought I > could probably do without, but I was wrong. This is the second day > running I have brought it to work, to listen to over headphones while > everyone looks at me a bit funny. But I can put up with the > embarassment, because it is that good. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:00:11 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Light my fire Or perhaps Bruce describing Graham's legendary captain's jacket/tight leggings/para boots/no shirt/mullet ensemble from the Astoria, circa 1988.... Mark ;-) << still i can scoff all i want - somehow you can't imagine jason orange talking about robbie williams in this way! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:16:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:A lone on Penguin Island >>I loaned out my copy of Kevin Eden's book some time ago, so am unsure as to Lewis and Gilbert's take on this affair, but I wonder if they feel in retrospect that they hijacked Simmons's intent.<< Graham: "It would have been far more formal if we hadn't intervened. We tried to get Desmond to explore the potential of his skills" Basically Desmond wanted to make a straight rock/pop album like the demos he'd done with Colin. G&B certainly "hijacked" that idea... Bruce: "It would be pointless to go into Blackwing [studios]and do a reproduction [of DS's demo tape]. It's the first mistake people make." >>Is this his only release in his own right? Was he ever involved with Interferon (which if I recall correctly featured Simon Gillham from Soft Option and Not To)? I quite liked their 'Get Out of London' single.<< Intaferon was Simon Gilham and Simon Fellowes. Did three singles and recorded most of an album before splitting. The album eventually came out as a Simon Fellowes solo album (as Simon F). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:44:41 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Eurythmics `(I love to listen to) Beethoven' was probably the wierdest, non-chartiest record to chart in 1987. Discuss. >who know what they'll get up to/I'd love to know/wouldn't you? Odd that this has come up now, as just this week I've been thinking that I would like to get `Sweet Dreams' after the song 'Jennifer' got stuck in my head and wouldn't go away, like stuff sometimes does. I have `In the Garden' and am very fond of it. I think Holger Czuckay was on `IN the Garden'. I also think the Tourist's guitarist was Pete Coombs. Christ knows why i know that. They were crap, of course. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:05:11 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Eurythmics I think Eurythmics kind of shot themselves in the foot by going all stadium (though they obviously made pot loads of cash). Their stuff up to Savage was actually better, more daring and innovative than their later stuff would suggest. Anyone else like "This City Never Sleeps"? j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Spencer" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Eurythmics > `(I love to listen to) Beethoven' was probably the wierdest, > non-chartiest record to chart in 1987. Discuss. > > >who know what they'll get up to/I'd love to know/wouldn't you? > > Odd that this has come up now, as just this week I've been thinking that > I would like to get `Sweet Dreams' after the song 'Jennifer' got stuck > in my head and wouldn't go away, like stuff sometimes does. I have `In > the Garden' and am very fond of it. > > I think Holger Czuckay was on `IN the Garden'. I also think the > Tourist's guitarist was Pete Coombs. Christ knows why i know that. They > were crap, of course. > > Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:06:33 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Eurythmics In a message dated 3/22/02 8:54:58 AM Central Standard Time, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: << Odd that this has come up now, as just this week I've been thinking that I would like to get `Sweet Dreams' after the song 'Jennifer' got stuck in my head and wouldn't go away, like stuff sometimes does >> YEEESSSSS!!! I love the song "Jennifer" !!!!...as well as "This City Never Sleeps" from the same album...good stuff! RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:16:07 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) A quick dive into the hallowed vinyl reveals no credit for Des on the Simon F "Gun Control" album (nestled right in there between Silver Bullet "Bring Forth the Guillotine" and Simple Minds remix promo-sorry, couldn't resist mentioning them) nor the Intaferon singles "Get Out of London", "Steamhammer Sam" & "Baby Pain". Is there any reason Des should have been on any of these or involved with Intaferon? Cracking, and underrated, Martin Rushent produced anarchic pop stuff by the way, I remember Simon Bates mistakenly playing the brass band instrumental b-side version of Steamhammer Sam to general bemusement. Thanks for bringing them up Mark. j > >>Is this his only release in his own right? Was he ever involved with > Interferon (which if I recall correctly featured Simon Gillham from Soft > Option and Not To)? I quite liked their 'Get Out of London' single.<< > > Intaferon was Simon Gilham and Simon Fellowes. Did three singles and recorded > most of an album before splitting. The album eventually came out as a Simon > Fellowes solo album (as Simon F). > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:36:28 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th I don't care for Mike Watt's amateurish and perfunctory run through to be honest (though who cares what I think), screaming guitars and out of tune bass and all. Couldn't they have spent a little more time and care on getting it right? There's a superb (and well thought out) version, however, on ace New York electroclash act Fischerspooner's debut album, however. j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pietromonaco" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th > >>Great live version - two drummers! He was playing it live > >>before it came out on Whore - it was no surprise to me when I saw it > on > >>the > >>CD. > > > >now that's something i'd like to hear. i would imagine it rocked > pretty hard > >and sans the icky voices > > > > Hmm - the live vocal arrangement may have been similar. (^_^) > > It's been so long I don't exactly remember. > > By the way - you can hear the double drumming on the Whore version. > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:46:30 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) Jerry, You misunderstand. Simon Gilham, not De Simmonds, was partly responsible for the Gun control album, The only Des connection is via Colin, as Gilham and Simmonds played on Not to. Des had nothing to do with Intaferon. Gilham continued working with Colin after Des had departed too. He was guitarist at CN's Venue show in 1982. Intaferon came later... Mark << A quick dive into the hallowed vinyl reveals no credit for Des on the Simon F "Gun Control" album (nestled right in there between Silver Bullet "Bring Forth the Guillotine" and Simple Minds remix promo-sorry, couldn't resist mentioning them) nor the Intaferon singles "Get Out of London", "Steamhammer Sam" & "Baby Pain". Is there any reason Des should have been on any of these or involved with Intaferon? Cracking, and underrated, Martin Rushent produced anarchic pop stuff by the way, I remember Simon Bates mistakenly playing the brass band instrumental b-side version of Steamhammer Sam to general bemusement. Thanks for bringing them up Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:43:27 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Light my fire In a message dated 3/22/02 6:00:45 AM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << Or perhaps Bruce describing Graham's legendary captain's jacket/tight leggings/para boots/no shirt/mullet ensemble from the Astoria, circa 1988.... Mark ;-) >> Yes, but was it Dionysusian?.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:00:40 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th > I don't care for Mike Watt's amateurish and perfunctory run through You call it "amateurish". We call it "honest". (^_^) ...or, is that "We call it maize"? (Sorry - old American TV commercial reference (^_^)) My coffee better be ready soon, or I have a feeling more bad jokes will be on their way.... Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:04:12 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) Mark, No actually I did understand you the first time, maybe my e-mail was badly composed (very possible). I was not trying to place doubt on what you wrote. I was just prompted by what you wrote to check the sleeve notes of all the Intaferon singles and the Simon F album for any mention of Des. It was made very clear on the records that Intaferon was a partnership between Fellowes and Gilham. j - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) > Jerry, > > You misunderstand. Simon Gilham, not De Simmonds, was partly responsible for > the Gun control album, The only Des connection is via Colin, as Gilham and > Simmonds played on Not to. > > Des had nothing to do with Intaferon. Gilham continued working with Colin > after Des had departed too. He was guitarist at CN's Venue show in 1982. > Intaferon came later... > > Mark > > << A quick dive into the hallowed vinyl reveals no credit for Des on the Simon > F "Gun Control" album (nestled right in there between Silver Bullet "Bring > Forth the Guillotine" and Simple Minds remix promo-sorry, couldn't resist > mentioning them) nor the Intaferon singles "Get Out of London", "Steamhammer > Sam" & "Baby Pain". > > Is there any reason Des should have been on any of these or involved with > Intaferon? Cracking, and underrated, Martin Rushent produced anarchic pop > stuff by the way, I remember Simon Bates mistakenly playing the brass band > instrumental b-side version of Steamhammer Sam to general bemusement. > > Thanks for bringing them up Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th Well, an honest reading of an amateurish performance then. Any band can be 'honest'. That doesn't make them any better or more valid than any other band. Surely they could have done another, better, take or spliced together the good bits from several. The way it breaks down at the end is just criminal! They ruined a great song... j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pietromonaco" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th > > I don't care for Mike Watt's amateurish and perfunctory run through > > You call it "amateurish". We call it "honest". (^_^) > > ...or, is that "We call it maize"? > > (Sorry - old American TV commercial reference (^_^)) > > My coffee better be ready soon, or I have a feeling more bad jokes will be > on their way.... > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:08:58 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th In a message dated 3/22/02 10:00:37 AM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: << I don't care for Mike Watt's amateurish and perfunctory run through >>> You call it "amateurish". We call it "honest". (^_^) ...or, is that "We call it maize"? (Sorry - old American TV commercial reference (^_^)) My coffee better be ready soon, or I have a feeling more bad jokes will be on their way.... Cheers, Paul >>>>> hahhahahhahah! i remember that commercial!...silliness...i wonder if the corn/maize dispute was the reason that the Native American Indian fellow was crying in the other commercial??....uh no, i guess that was about pollution....Cheers Paul! and remember to throw your empty coffee filters in the proper disposal container! "Give a hoot...don't pollute!" RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:19:47 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Intaferon (Was Alone on Penguin Island) OK! The Des/Gilham link was very tenuous - Colin & Des recruited SG to play bass via an ad when they wanted to play live. The line-up stayed together till Not To, but Des had gone by the time Colin played the Venue in 82, ostensibly to promote Not to, but in true Wire fashion they played one song off the album - the rest of the set was new. Mark << No actually I did understand you the first time, maybe my e-mail was badly composed (very possible). I was not trying to place doubt on what you wrote. I was just prompted by what you wrote to check the sleeve notes of all the Intaferon singles and the Simon F album for any mention of Des. It was made very clear on the records that Intaferon was a partnership between Fellowes and Gilham. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:33:02 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia Hi everyone, I was poking around on Wireviews (as I sometimes do - http://www.wireviews.com ), and reading through Craig's excellent reviews. I noticed something interesting on Craig's review of Dugga Dugga Dugga, though. No mention of the hidden Band of Susans track. So, although this may be common knowledge, I thought I'd point out that there's an "Easter Egg" on the Dugga Dugga Dugga compilation - a hidden version of Drill by Band of Susans. Everyone know how to reach it? (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:44:11 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia In a message dated 3/22/02 10:33:19 AM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: << So, although this may be common knowledge, I thought I'd point out that there's an "Easter Egg" on the Dugga Dugga Dugga compilation - a hidden version of Drill by Band of Susans. Everyone know how to reach it? (^_^) Cheers, Paul >> no, how? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:54:35 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia Whatcha do is pop the disc in (duh!) and hit play, then immediately hit the scan backwards button. You have to scan back around 2 minutes or so and, voila, BoS's robotic (sounds like it was done using Mac Speech) & minimalist interpretation of the classic Drill. Has anyone else downloaded the Dugga leftovers / megamix from WMO? Twenty plus minutes of pure dugga satisfaction. Well worth the adventure, imo. > Hi everyone, > I was poking around on Wireviews (as I sometimes do - > http://www.wireviews.com ), and reading through Craig's excellent reviews. > I noticed something interesting on Craig's review of Dugga Dugga Dugga, > though. No mention of the hidden Band of Susans track. > So, although this may be common knowledge, I thought I'd point out that > there's an "Easter Egg" on the Dugga Dugga Dugga compilation - a hidden > version of Drill by Band of Susans. > Everyone know how to reach it? (^_^) > Cheers, > Paul No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. -- H.L. Mencken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:03:52 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dugga Dugga Dugga trivia >Whatcha do is pop the disc in (duh!) and hit play, then immediately hit the >scan backwards button. You have to scan back around 2 minutes or so and, >voila, BoS's robotic (sounds like it was done using Mac Speech) & minimalist >interpretation of the classic Drill. > I couldn't have put it better myself. That's exactly how you do it. NOTE: Some CD players refuse to go backwards from 0:00. If it doesn't work in one player, try it in another. (Sometimes, portable CD players are good candidates for this.) >Has anyone else downloaded the Dugga leftovers / megamix from WMO? Twenty >plus minutes of pure dugga satisfaction. Well worth the adventure, imo.> I downloaded it ages ago. It was very cool. Hmm... I should listen to it again... I wonder where I put it... (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:21:43 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] questions , questions.......... my wife is a pretty big annie lennox fan. my mate's mum is related to Annie Lennox, cousin or something... i'll get me coat... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:44:49 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] questions , questions.......... - ----- Original Message ----- From: ian.s. jackson To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] questions , questions.......... > my wife is a pretty big annie lennox fan. > > my mate's mum is related to Annie Lennox, cousin or something... > > i'll get me coat... > > ian.s.j. my mum IS annie lennox! i've got my coat already... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:42:52 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Gorl & Annie ...or, is that "We call it maize"? > > (Sorry - old American TV commercial reference (^_^)) > > My coffee better be ready soon, or I have a feeling more bad jokes will >be > on their way.... > > Cheers, > Paul >>>>> > >hahhahahhahah! i remember that commercial!...silliness...i wonder if the >corn/maize dispute was the reason that the Native American Indian fellow >was >crying in the other commercial??....uh no, i guess that was about >pollution....Cheers Paul! and remember to throw your empty coffee filters >in >the proper disposal container! "Give a hoot...don't pollute!" but isn't the real question whether or not ring dings were indeed better than big wheels? i say no. i want a big wheel :oO - -paul (my elementary school classmate's brother made that commercial for devil dogs, showing his sister (my classmate) eating a devil dog and turning from a devil to an angel) c.d. p.s. i'm pretty sure they weren't native american indians though ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:09:24 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re : Lush Hi everyone, I finally have a couple of spare minutes, so I thought I'd chip in with my opinions on Lush, which I've been holding back in the interest of promoting unity here on IdealCopy. (^_^) >i thought "split" and "lovelife" by lush were both great records. I never had >much against britpop/shoegazing, This is interesting to me. My opinions on Lush are almost 180 degrees opposite from the majority of IdealCopy. Maybe it's the history of how I first heard 'em. The first Lush release I purchased was the Mad Love EP. I liked it right away, but after a few months, I became a rabid fan. I picked up Scar, hoping it would be like Mad Love, but I missed Robin Guthrie's production, and the "punkier" sound of the release didn't do too much for me. Then, I got the Sweetness & Light EP. Not quite as cool as Mad Love, but still great. Picked up the Gala CD, which was a combination of the 3 EPs above + bonus cuts just for completion's sake. Then, the Black Spring & For Love EPs came out as advanced teasers for Spooky. With Robin Guthrie back in the producer's seat, plus the Outdoor Miner B-side, I was really looking forward to Spooky, and in my book, it didn't disappoint. My band actually used to cover "For Love" for a short time. I know Spooky was victim of a critical backlash, but I still rate this record pretty highly. After that, I never really enjoyed a Lush CD again. Split was okay, but thin sounding. It seemed to mark time, but Hypocrite is a great single. And, Lovelife seemed way off the mark to me. That didn't stop me from collecting all the singles, though. I have all the b-sides from the Lovelife period, as well as the Canadian Topolino collection. >although i do wonder about those people on >mailing lists who are still "wishing for the glory days of 1991" with mbv, >ride, slowdive, etc...they need to move on. No we don't... (^_^;) Speaking of shoegazer bands, I'm still a member of the Swervedriver mailing list. Not much happens anymore, but at least we have the lead singer's Toshack Highway stuff to keep us occupied until Sweredriver releases another 60's mod-pop album. (Yeah - they don't do shoegazer stuff either.) At least, they're more vital sounding than "The Catherine Wheel". (No - they're no longer Catherine Wheel). I'm not sure what happened on the last Catherin...er.. The Catherine Wheel CD, but it was pretty off the mark in almost every sense. I can't help it - I still miss this music a lot. I think it has more long-term staying power than NuMetal and Britney Spears. Besides, MBV is gonna release a new CD any day now. No, really..... >emma from lush started a neat litle new band called sing-sing. their album >sounds like an extension of the britpop/mod stylings of the last lush >album..sexier then lush too...good stuff i say > I'll have to take your word for it. Doesn't quite sound like my cup of tea. (^_^) Oddly enough, Emma was my favorite songwriter at first, but I found her songs didn't seem to advance as much as Miki's. Toward the end of Lush's career, I actually preferred Miki's songs. Any word on Miki's activities as of late? Didn't she basically retire? Cheers, Paul, who still remembers hanging out in the crowd with Phil King and Miki watching Lush's opening bands in one of their shows in Seattle..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:14:49 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] PSB's on Jonathan Ross anyone see the pet shop boys on jonathan ross show? they did the new single and a short interview with j.r. chris lowe has to be one of the least talkative and confident interviewees ever seen on telly, which of course just resulted in ross honing in on him and asking him more and more questions. he coped pretty well - with his cap pulled over his eyes - but you could tell he just couldn't wait to get the hell off the couch. keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #84 ******************************