From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #82 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 21 2002 Volume 05 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] lou Reed Covers [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Re: Lush [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Lush [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] cupol 12" for sale ["Antal Szijj" ] [idealcopy] Excited! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush ["Keith Astbury" ] Fw: [idealcopy] Re: Lush ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Alone on Penguin Island ["Cambra, Robert" ] [idealcopy] Shoegazing [RLynn9@aol.com] Fwd: [idealcopy] Re: Lush [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] christine kane/o.t [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Light My Fire ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Light My Fire [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Shoegazing [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] shod [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Re: the 15th [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Sad Lovers & Giants ["bartvandamme@home" Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] lou Reed Covers - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:45:11 EST > From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lou Reed Covers > To: , > , > > > i do find much of 'whore' enjoyable - i don't even > mind the lush track and i > > never liked them, but then i suppose that in > 'mannequin' that they actually > > had a decent song to play for once... > > keith > > ////never cared much for lush in their shoegazing > days , but i do have a soft spot for their britpop > album. p .......................... there's a really good version of 'sattelite of love' by Eurythmics.....Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:30:02 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lush What I really hold against them is Miki Berenyi's review of `In vivo' as a guest writier for Select or VOX - she basically said `who are these old blokes and why are they still bothering?' Then, presumbably having realised that Wire were a cool name to drop, her band appear on a tribute CD - covering Mannquin in such a way as to suggest they'd just been handed the sheet music that morning. I know Miki was/probably still is quite fit and everything, but Lush were crap. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:12:57 -0800 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush Hi Howard, Don't usually get involved in subjective discussions with an audience but as a man of words, you can do much better than 'Lush were crap'. I admit it, I'm a fan, they were flawed but did some really good music. Would you like to elaborate? :) Uri - -----Original Message----- From: Howard Spencer To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:46 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lush >What I really hold against them is Miki Berenyi's review of `In vivo' as >a guest writier for Select or VOX - she basically said `who are these >old blokes and why are they still bothering?' Then, presumbably having >realised that Wire were a cool name to drop, her band appear on a >tribute CD - covering Mannquin in such a way as to suggest they'd just >been handed the sheet music that morning. > >I know Miki was/probably still is quite fit and everything, but Lush >were crap. > >Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:23:08 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush Howard, She'd almost certainly have been introduced to Wire by Phil King, the bass player, a fine chap with a fair-sized record collection, and whose pre-Lush solo work featured, for a while, the bass playing of, ahem, yrs truly.... Phil was also in Felt, who covered Outdoor Miner as an encore once, which was a fine thing indeed. Despite Daniella Westbrook-scale chemical capacity, Miki was indeed quite fit and everything. And Lush were crap. Mark << What I really hold against them is Miki Berenyi's review of `In vivo' as a guest writier for Select or VOX - she basically said `who are these old blokes and why are they still bothering?' Then, presumbably having realised that Wire were a cool name to drop, her band appear on a tribute CD - covering Mannquin in such a way as to suggest they'd just been handed the sheet music that morning. I know Miki was/probably still is quite fit and everything, but Lush were crap. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:57:12 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lush Uri/list, To put `Lush were crap' in context, I don't really listen to anything much from that early/mid 90s period indie. Most of it sounds (to me) weedy, dated or too derivative to take seriously. Or all of the above. I admit I've heard very little of Lush's stuff (and what I have heard made no impression), but I don't see that is any reason not to pass a sweeping judgement. Particularly on people who diss Wire and then do rotten unimaginative cover versions of one of their best songs. I'm quite surprised that so many folk here seem to like them, as I thought that general opinion put them about two rungs up from Transvision Vamp in the glorious panoply of wank-friendly female-fronted nineties `indie' bands. But fair play to you all, you go for it. I'll get back to me Brighouse and Rastrick brass band LP. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:06:29 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush I liked their debut mini LP but it seems as though they put all their half decent stuff into that. They went downhill v quickly. I saw them in Birmingham once and they were truly awful. Like the Shop Assistants with pink hair. Their Wire cover is also unimaginative. But several rungs higher than the terminally shite Transvision Vamp. 8-) WHORE, The 15th: This is the one covered by Mike Watt is it not? Never a great singer to say the least. Although his cover of Daniel Johnson's Walking the Cow on firehose's Flyin the Flannel album is not without its charm. I liked Watt's version of The 15th because it did put the song in a different context than I'd previously heard it. Firehose also covered Mannequin on a live mini LP/EP. John >From: Howard Spencer >To: Uri Baran >CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lush >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:57:12 +0000 > >Uri/list, > >To put `Lush were crap' in context, I don't really listen to anything >much from that early/mid 90s period indie. Most of it sounds (to me) >weedy, dated or too derivative to take seriously. Or all of the above. >I admit I've heard very little of Lush's stuff (and what I have heard >made no impression), but I don't see that is any reason not to pass a >sweeping judgement. Particularly on people who diss Wire and then do >rotten unimaginative cover versions of one of their best songs. > >I'm quite surprised that so many folk here seem to like them, as I >thought that general opinion put them about two rungs up from >Transvision Vamp in the glorious panoply of wank-friendly female-fronted >nineties `indie' bands. > >But fair play to you all, you go for it. I'll get back to me Brighouse >and Rastrick brass band LP. > >Howard _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:23:23 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush > I liked Watt's version of The 15th because it did put the song in a > different context than I'd previously heard it. Also, he was playing it live that year - when he was opening for Primus. Picture this - you're at a big arena rock show, and all of a sudden, you start hearing this song that you know. You can't quite place it at first - then you start jumping up and down because it's a Wire song, and you know that nobody in the audience besides yourself probably has any idea what's going on. Great live version - two drummers! He was playing it live before it came out on Whore - it was no surprise to me when I saw it on the CD. The Minutemen (Mike's first band) claimed they learned how to play listening to early Wire songs, ya know! (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:44:06 +0000 From: "Antal Szijj" Subject: [idealcopy] cupol 12" for sale for anyone who's interested I've got a copy of the Cupol 12": "like this for ages" b/w "Kluba cupol" for sale on ebay. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:27:43 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Excited! I am really excited about my bargain bin finds last night!!! a local chain store called Music Wherehouse is running a sale on marked down used items...3 for $5.00 !!!!! last night i picked up: 1.Signs of Chaos - Frankenscience ( aka Michael Wells of Greater Than One....some interesting urban electronica/techno...the cd is dedicated to Lee Newman..the other member of GTO who sadly passed a while back..she had cancer i believe) 2. Robert Wyatt - Mid-Eighties...Basically Old Rottenhat expanded with an ep and bonus stuff...This is great! I really like the stuff Wyatt did in the 80's..quirky synth stuff... 3. Pole - 3 ....along the lines of the dubby minimalist ambient techno by Basic Channel, Monolake, Maurizio, and Vanquier...good stuff...very floaty... 4. Curve - Come Clean....i am a big Curve fan so it was nice to get this for $1.67 ..this rocks! the combination of the assaultive guitars and electronics work just fine here...a nice variation in styles too... 5. He Said - Take Care ...I already have this of course but i picked one up for a friend who i am trying to influence away from Creed and U2 etc... 6. Sandals - Rite to Silence...early trip-hopper's classic! it also has the Dust Brothers (Chemical Bros) remix of Feet on it...good stuff...a bit like Massive Attack 7. Lycia - A Day in the Stark Corner....very goth/industrial with a bit of 4AD influence..don't really like it right now but maybe i should light some candles and feel sorry for myself some rainy night and it might make more sense...but hey, i only lost $1.67 right?..... 8. Laika - Good Looking Blues...Not as good as Sattelites but it's pretty enjoyable...vocals are much more in the spotlight this time around..and it has more of a late night lounge feel... 9.Tones on Tail - Night Music.....yayayayayayayayayayayayayaya...i never get sick of that song! even if it was in some dumb commercial! 10. Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs ....I don't normally like Mercury Rev..but this one's a keeper! a very melancholy affair...the arragements are weird on this...vaguely reminds me of Spiritualized or the Verve.... 11. William Orbit - Pieces in a Modern Style...Now, i was prejudiced against this from the start because i thought it sounded like a horribly pretentious idea...but i bought it anyway...i am glad i did!..this is a great listen!..I particularly like the Satie piece... 12.The Grid - Evolver ....Ok...it's cheezy dance music for the most part BUT..it's Dave Ball of Soft Cell fame! and Richard Norris of Psychic TV!...and some of the songs are darn good...i've been in a "dance"/techno music mood lately, so it was good to bop around to the house to the cajun inspired Swamp Thing...banjos and drum machines! who'd a thought... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:28:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lush From: Howard Spencer > I admit I've heard very little of Lush's stuff (and what I have heard > made no impression), but I don't see that is any reason not to pass a > sweeping judgement. You're talking my language here Howard! I too can remember very little of Lush's music, but I know that i didn't like them very much either. i don't like the sweeping train of thought nowadays that all 'shoegazing' was crap, cos i liked a couple of ride singles and loved one single by chapterhouse ('pearl' as you ask) and i suppose you could even include MBV as the godfathers of that scene and they're great by anyones standards. (i've probably mentioned before that i saw the pale saints and they were truly dire). but i know what you're saying, a lot of indie music from that period was pretty feeble. and nothing changes - i'd read loads of good reviews of a band called the music last year and then when i heard their single couldn't believe what a shite lifeless piece of music i was hearing. keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:29:41 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Re: Lush > From: Howard Spencer > > I admit I've heard very little of Lush's stuff (and what I have heard > made no impression), but I don't see that is any reason not to pass a > sweeping judgement. You're talking my language here Howard! I too can remember very little of Lush's music, but I know that i didn't like them very much either. i don't like the sweeping train of thought nowadays that all 'shoegazing' was crap, cos i liked a couple of ride singles and loved one single by chapterhouse ('pearl' as you ask) and i suppose you could even include MBV as the godfathers of that scene and they're great by anyones standards. (i've probably mentioned before that i saw the pale saints and they were truly dire). but i know what you're saying, a lot of indie music from that period was pretty feeble. and nothing changes - i'd read loads of good reviews of a band called the music last year and then when i heard their single couldn't believe what a shite lifeless piece of music i was hearing. keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:30:39 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Alone on Penguin Island Speaking of . . . . Sometime in the 80s I sold my copy of "Alone on Penguin Island" feeling that the best track on it was as good as the least interesting track on any Colin Newman Album. Then years later I got curious about it and picked it up again and was glad I did. "I am a Gymnast" was still my favorite track. A good minimal album. Of course I had to get the cd when it came out. There were so many good, weird, little-know albums that came out around that time. Robert *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:39:06 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Excited! robert said > 10. Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs ....I don't normally like Mercury Rev..but > this one's a keeper! a very melancholy affair...the arragements are weird on > this...vaguely reminds me of Spiritualized or the Verve.... > i never liked mercury rev till this album either. 'holes' (dug by little moles!) is especially great. i'd recommend their latest too. it's a real grower... > > 12.The Grid - Evolver ....Ok...it's cheezy dance music for the most part > BUT..it's Dave Ball of Soft Cell fame! and Richard Norris of Psychic > TV!... they had a big hit over here a few years back with 'swamp thing' - very silly, but equally enjoyable! 'texas cowboys' was a bit daft too, but i loved it. and have you heard 'a beat called love' - great pop/dance song that should have been a biggie. keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:31:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Shoegazing In a message dated 3/20/02 12:24:21 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << i don't like the sweeping train of thought nowadays that all 'shoegazing' was crap, cos i liked a couple of ride singles and loved one single by chapterhouse ('pearl' as you ask) and i suppose you could even include MBV as the godfathers of that scene and they're great by anyones standards. >> MY favorite "shoegazing" albums: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Ride - Nowhere Slowdive - Souvlaki Chapterhouse - Whirlpool Lush - Spooky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Re: Lush I agree,Lush are really carp,but that's not to say they're all bad,i purchased split way back when after hearing a track on student radio,then forgot about it,i took it out today after the postings,didn't hear anything i liked,well that's one less in my collection.Ari - --- Howard Spencer wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:57:12 +0000 > From: Howard Spencer > Organization: New DNB > To: Uri Baran > CC: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lush > > Uri/list, > > To put `Lush were crap' in context, I don't really > listen to anything > much from that early/mid 90s period indie. Most of > it sounds (to me) > weedy, dated or too derivative to take seriously. > Or all of the above. > I admit I've heard very little of Lush's stuff (and > what I have heard > made no impression), but I don't see that is any > reason not to pass a > sweeping judgement. Particularly on people who diss > Wire and then do > rotten unimaginative cover versions of one of their > best songs. > > I'm quite surprised that so many folk here seem to > like them, as I > thought that general opinion put them about two > rungs up from > Transvision Vamp in the glorious panoply of > wank-friendly female-fronted > nineties `indie' bands. > > But fair play to you all, you go for it. I'll get > back to me Brighouse > and Rastrick brass band LP. > > Howard ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:24:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] christine kane/o.t - --- Christine Kane wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:03:48 -0800 > To: BigFatMusic@aol.com > From: Christine Kane > Subject: CD Release shows... > > Hi Everyone, > > The new CD, "Rain & Mud & Wild & Green," is finally > here. (The > official release date for press and stores is now > April 9 because > they have to have time to get reviews etc.) > > So far the CD release shows have been great. All of > the shows listed > below are CD release shows as well. The full list > of Spring shows is > on the website. And you can order the new CD now > (securely!) from > the website or by phone at 800.837.1332. > > Also, the website is all new, so feel free to visit > www.christinekane.com for news, updates and details > about the CD. I > hope to see you at one of these shows or if you know > friends or > family in any of these areas and you think they'd > like to come to a > show, please let them know! > > Thanks so much! > > Christine > > P.S. If you no longer want to be on this list, or > feel you are on > this list in error, please let Kara know by sending > a return "Remove, > Please" email. She will take you off the mailing > list. > > 3/22, Fri Clark Place > Steven's Point, > WI 8pm > Info: 715.343.1530 > Note: This is the opening night for Clark Place, a > new acoustic > venue in Steven's Point > > 3/23, Sat Cafi Carpe > Ft. Atkinson, > WI 8:30pm > Info: (920) 563-9391 or carpe@ticon.net > > 3/24, Sun House Concert Milwaukee, > WI 7:30pm > Info: Holly Schulz@aol.com > > 3/30, Sat The Evening Muse > Charlotte, > NC 9pm > Info: themuse@queencitymusic.com or 704.376.3737 > > 4/4, Thurs The Handlebar > Greenville, > SC 9pm > Info: (864) 233-6173 or www.handlebar-online.com > > 4/6, Sat Carrboro Arts Center > Carrboro, > NC 8pm > Info: 919.929.2787 > > 4/12, Fri Uncle Calvin's Coffeehouse > Dallas, > TX 8pm > Info: 214.363.0044 or campcoho@aol.com > > 4/13, Sat Main Street Coffeehaus > Garland, > TX 8pm > Info: 972.485.1461 or www.mainstreetcoffeehaus.com > > ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:21:31 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Light My Fire I'm reading 'Light My Fire - My Life With The Doors' by Ray Manzarek at the moment. I love the Doors, but what a pretentious twat. 'Someone's got to be the skin whacker/timekeeper and some genius has to play the role of phallic snake-sliding rib-tickling maestro/fret master'. Yeah, that's Ray's way of saying him and Jim need a drummer and guitarist. But hey, hang on a mo, he hasn't finished yet... 'Someone has to be the jungle and someone has to be the gliding angel. Someone has to be thumper and someone has to be Les Paul/Chuck Berry by way of Charlie Christian'. Thank God he didn't advertise like that - Densmore and Kreiger would have given him a wide berth and we might never have had 'Light My Fire'... And listen to this... '...a possessed celt. He was all over the stage. Manic. Arms continually raised in a hallelujah salute to the energy. A ball of black irish plasma recontituted as the lead singer of a wandering band of minstrels that had set down beside us on the sunset strip of Los Angeles, California'. Bloody hell. That's VAN Morrison in his Them days he's talking about! And finally... he ends a chapter about 'a band of subversives like the Doors' playing a school gig, because 'the powers that be were simply not yet hip to psychadelia' with this... 'God, I sure hope the fundamentalist fascists don't win. I hope the lovers win. Don't you?' Priceless! Keith N.P. 'Firehouse Rock' - the Wailing Souls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:33:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Light My Fire Oh, come on Keith - EVERYBODY spoke like that in 1968!! And Ray, man, he says man more times,man, than anyone else alive, maaan... Mark << I'm reading 'Light My Fire - My Life With The Doors' by Ray Manzarek at the moment. I love the Doors, but what a pretentious twat. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:00:19 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Shoegazing Sad Lovers & Giants album 'Epic Garden Music', although 80's date stamped / Police like in sound, I find moments of timelessness quite satisfying. I'm not saying this is "era locked", as such in my opinion Peter Frampton / Frampton Comes Alive "1976's magic bubble" -was- fun that summer. It applied only then; temporary in the march of music / life's soundtrack. Thinking of the rapid progression from that to Bee Gee's (aka: Sat Night Fever), Sex Pistols, Talking Heads, and Wire nearing to 1980, that was an enormous transition in 3 years time! Timeless favs of Wire that immediately come to mind are Map Reference & Blessed State, or 154 to be numeric. Back to Sad Lovers & Giants, Epic Garden Music, IMO, is their finest album with many redeemable moments. Bought EGM for 'When I See You' and surprisedly, much of the album (shoegazedly) pleases me. Call it 'drawn to the flame', wildlife atuned to their specific kin's sounds, or our ability to recognize / indentify family, friend's, acquaintance's voices or mannerism noises & sounds (as such Colin vs Graham or John, Paul, George, & Ringo vocal subtleties), I find this music crossing memories / receptors in several directions / levels simultaneously. It is not of vicarious / wannabe nature, but more of a phantom of one's reality (a conscience dream?). Good rainy day listening recommendation! Regards, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] shod The ones that stand out,they're the ones,ghosts of memory,smells of yesteryear,dejavu,memories of things that never occured,and a feel of well being to boot. Who can explain,I can only share. My life in the bush of ghosts........eno/byrne gris gris ........Dr. john 5,000 spirits or the layers of an onion .........Incredible string band more songs about buildings and food.......t.h ideal copy big night music ......shriekback oil and gold ....... " " jam science ....... " " brian eno dead can dance blind faith this mortal coil the cure frank zappa miles davis john surman dave douglas david sanchez john zorn gil evans 'trane oscar peterson keith jarrett marcus roberts kronos quartet These are a few of my favorite things.............Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:56:47 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the 15th someone wrote: >> I liked Watt's version of The 15th because it did put the song in a >> different context than I'd previously heard it. the backing vocals are the only thing i don't like about it. thing is, when i first heard it (and keep in mind i'm waiting the entire album to hear my fave wire song) i liked it right up til those voices, then eeeeeaaiiiiiihhh-like fingernails on a chalkboard-it totally killed the song for me :o( paul p wrote: > >Also, he was playing it live that year - when he was opening for Primus. > >Picture this - you're at a big arena rock show, and all of a sudden, you >start hearing this song that you know. You can't quite place it at first >- >then you start jumping up and down because it's a Wire song, and you know >that nobody in the audience besides yourself probably has any idea what's >going on. Great live version - two drummers! He was playing it live >before it came out on Whore - it was no surprise to me when I saw it on >the >CD. now that's something i'd like to hear. i would imagine it rocked pretty hard and sans the icky voices >The Minutemen (Mike's first band) claimed they learned how to play >listening to early Wire songs, ya know! (^_^) i'm currently reading "our band could be your life" by michael azerrad. nicely written bios of minutemen and the other bands (mission of burma, black flag, sonic youth, husker du, butthole surfers, replacements, minor threat, big black, dinosaur jr, and fugazi) big in the american underground from 81-91. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:26:42 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sad Lovers & Giants Nicely put Voyteck. I never heard anything by Sad Lovers & Giants, but I'll look into 'em. This morning in my car on my way to work I played the Clash' Sandinista and for me it had a similar effect - beyond just bringing back memories... Bart > Sad Lovers & Giants album 'Epic Garden Music', although 80's date > stamped / Police like in sound, I find moments of timelessness quite > satisfying. I'm not saying this is "era locked", as such in my opinion > Peter Frampton / Frampton Comes Alive "1976's magic bubble" -was- fun > that summer. It applied only then; temporary in the march of music / > life's soundtrack. Thinking of the rapid progression from that to Bee > Gee's (aka: Sat Night Fever), Sex Pistols, Talking Heads, and Wire > nearing to 1980, that was an enormous transition in 3 years time! > Timeless favs of Wire that immediately come to mind are Map Reference & > Blessed State, or 154 to be numeric. Back to Sad Lovers & Giants, Epic > Garden Music, IMO, is their finest album with many redeemable moments. > Bought EGM for 'When I See You' and surprisedly, much of the album > (shoegazedly) pleases me. Call it 'drawn to the flame', wildlife atuned > to their specific kin's sounds, or our ability to recognize / indentify > family, friend's, acquaintance's voices or mannerism noises & sounds (as > such Colin vs Graham or John, Paul, George, & Ringo vocal subtleties), I > find this music crossing memories / receptors in several directions / > levels simultaneously. It is not of vicarious / wannabe nature, but more > of a phantom of one's reality (a conscience dream?). Good rainy day > listening recommendation! > Regards, > voyteck ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #82 ******************************