From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #77 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT 23 skidoo [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire and ATP [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] introducing morrissey [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] introducing morrissey ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] introducing morrissey [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce [Michael Flaherty ==================== >New Stuff > >23 Skidoo Seven Songs PS, UK Ronin-004 CD $21.25 >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:28:00 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire and ATP Tim, << I must say I've enjoyed reading the reports from the ICers who went to the Gareth Williams gig. The Wire performance sounds thrilling, but I must say I don't regret not forking out for accomodation/travel etc for 15 mins of Wire preceded by what sounds like a somewhat testing evening of self indulgence. I don't know anything about This Heat apart from one track '24 Track Loop' which sounds like a Cabaret Voltaire style groove experiment. << You really should get yourself a copy of Deceit. These Records should have some more copies in soon. Imagine Can fronted by a young and very angry Robert Wyatt. A really unique sound and one of my most played records of the past year. As I said, Charles Hayward was the other highlight of the Gareth Williams gig. >> It would have been swell to meet some fellow IC-ers (so far I've only met the legendary Graeme Rowland) but some other time y'all!<< Indeed. The northern division of the Brittttish Tossers Branch was conspicuous by its absence ;-) >>But all bodes well for the new Wire material.<< Would you like some song titles? Thought so. Wire's two newies were called 99.9 and In the art of stopping. Second in a series of Art of...21st century Wire titles... >> I'm intrigued by Marks comment that Colin and Bruce are working together on the new material. I'd got the impresson from Colins previews of Wire stuff on those Webcasts that the new stuff was going to be just Colin manipulating Wire information on his Apple Mac, but Colin working with Bruce sounds fascinating.<< Certainly the Apple Mac plays a major role. And certainly Colin has done other reworks a la 12 times you (eg Crazy about love). But all the new stuff is new - what will happen to the reworked stuff is anybody's guess.... >>I like Alistairs description of 2002 Wire: "intense, concentrated power and attitude" That sounds very promising. How many other bands operating in 2002 can you attribute a description like that to?<< The Fall? >>So is anyone going to ATP? I can't make it this year but I recommend it! There is no festival in the UK quite like it. I have been to two of the ATP's and had an amazing time. The best thing about ATP is that it takes place at a Pontins Holiday Camp in Camber Sands. A desolate, fading palace of fun in the middle of nowhere!<< Look, I grew up in Blackpool, the mother of all desolate, fading palaces of fun, with its own grim, bleak Pontins stalag! I'm not the kind of guy who hangs around backstage trying to meet rock stars, but ATP seems to break down the barriers between fans and audience somehow. There isn't really a backstage enclosure so the bands tend to mingle with the fans. At the two ATP's i've been to I've chatted to Mercury Rev and Godspeed You Black Emporer, had a really interesting chat with Colin Newman (documented on Wireviews), and spent a good hour or so drinking with Debbie Goodge from My Bloody Valentine (during the weekend where Kevin Sheilds was booked to play a solo set but never showed up...Mogwai played instead)..she was swell. ATP is very very special! >> Ligger. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:57:08 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introducing morrissey > whilst not wanting to get back to a is morrissey any cop or not arguement ///i sense a large and slow moving target lumbering into view :-) > it's a live vid from 1995 //// "hulmerist" , the live vid from the late 80's is not bad actually and though his mozzness's voice is a little flat ////you're kidding me..... > i saw him live a couple of times that year - once headlining and the other > supporting bowie at wembley arena. ////talking of slow moving targets , here we go..... whereas morrissey > didn't really perform - he needs the adulation (have you ever seen anyone love > being mobbed as much as him!) and playing to someone elses audience didn't > suit him - bowie was excellent. what a performer... ///// mozzer flounced off that tour after very few dates so you were pretty lucky to see them both. i knew a few mozzerites who were gutted at having to suffer bowie plus some hastily drafted in support (i forget who , don't think it was anyone very famous) , they slated bowie but i suspect it was just those mozzerless blues. > wonder when he will ever get round to actually releasing anything again... ///when he needs some more cash possibly? just a long shot....p ps just to say i thought we'd seen off alanis after her terence trent d'arby-style 2nd album. but sadly this seems not to be the case.pity. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's ICers~ > -paul (have you tried the alanis lyric generator?) c.d. That is definitely a high water mark for the Brunching Shuttlecocks! I'd recommend anyone who hasn't tried it should! My $.02 -> Having listened to the Alanis 'Unplugged' album recently, I think she's getting pigeonholed more than she should. Anyone who could do a song like "Princes Familiar" can't be all angst! Just a thought! ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:26:14 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introducing morrissey PaulRabjohn wrote : >ps just to say i thought we'd seen off alanis after her terence trent >d'arby-style 2nd album. but sadly this seems not to be the case.pity. 'under rug swept'...fuckin' 'ell... apologies for the lack of Moz (and Wire) content... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:39:23 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce >From: Tim >Subject: [idealcopy] Wire and ATP >I'm intrigued by Marks comment that Colin and Bruce are working together on >the new material. I'd got the impresson from Colins previews of Wire stuff >on those Webcasts that the new stuff was going to be just Colin >manipulating Wire information on his Apple Mac, but Colin working with >Bruce sounds fascinating. While I also look forward to any Lewis contributions (as I'm sure you all do), this was my thought exactly. As these two have tradionally (which is not to say "always") been on the far ends of the "Wire" spectrum, their working together (as oppossed to simply contributing to each others work) may well be the best combination available for finding something truely new, yet truely Wire. We shall see. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:38:18 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] introducing morrissey In a message dated 15/03/02 21:28:08 GMT Standard Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > 'under rug swept'...fuckin' 'ell... > > apologies for the lack of Moz (and Wire) content... > > //////i always find it good to let off some steam at a convenient target occasionally so i forgive you. strangely moz , alanis and the Dame often float to the top of my list , can't think why. well talking of crap movies , as we were , whatever happened to bowies ziggy movie? is that in the can yet or what. maybe he's scared of putting himself up against the coogan meisterwerk? i think we should be told. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:58:35 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce Michael, This is dangerously close to Derek Smalls' "fire and ice" speech in Spinal Tap. Is Lewis really "lukewarm water"?? Mark ;-) << While I also look forward to any Lewis contributions (as I'm sure you all do), this was my thought exactly. As these two have tradionally (which is not to say "always") been on the far ends of the "Wire" spectrum, their working together (as oppossed to simply contributing to each others work) may well be the best combination available for finding something truely new, yet truely Wire. We shall see. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:18:18 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce At 04:58 PM 3/15/02 EST, you wrote: >Michael, > >This is dangerously close to Derek Smalls' "fire and ice" speech in Spinal >Tap. Is Lewis really "lukewarm water"?? > >Mark ;-) Good one. :-) I love that speech. Actually, he WAS sort of the middle guy at one point, now that you mention it. Now in some ways he seems at least as "avant" as Bruce. All kidding aside, I hope it really didn't sound that pretentious--I only meant Wire's pop/rock truely meeting Gilbert's shed in a genuine collaboration (not just adding to each other's work) might really bring something new and interesting ... Like Shelley meeting Keats (or was it Byron?) :-) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:57:23 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce << Like Shelley meeting Keats (or was it Byron?) :-) >> Trafford? Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:12:06 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce In a message dated 15/03/2002 22:10:16 GMT Standard Time, mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us writes: > Like Shelley meeting Keats (or was it Byron?) :-) > > Michael Flaherty > That would be Pete Shelley then Michael Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:20:37 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce > >This is dangerously close to Derek Smalls' "fire and ice" speech in Spinal > >Tap. Is Lewis really "lukewarm water"?? > > > >Mark ;-) > > All kidding aside, I hope it really didn't sound that pretentious no it didn't. i know exactly what you meant. michael said > I only meant Wire's pop/rock truely meeting Gilbert's shed in a genuine > collaboration (not just adding to each other's work) might really bring > something new and interesting ... > > Like Shelley meeting Keats (or was it Byron?) :-) ah! now that's pretentious! keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:23:08 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Colin/Bruce > > Like Shelley meeting Keats (or was it Byron?) :-) > > > > Michael Flaherty > > > > That would be Pete Shelley then Michael > Chris (or Dave Byron, ex Uriah Heep vocalist. shit. why do i know that? cos it was the 1st gig i ever went to i suppose...) keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:45:24 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Carrib-Indian Music Style Late night free form radio has inspired a search of Reggae / Indian music, such of if a band existed of Bob Marley, Ravi Shankar, Peter Tosh, perhaps members of Monsoon and add whom else of these 2 styles not mentioned to fill out a band, I'm curious of how this might sound. Add a harpsicord / baroque arrangement for added twist. Does any such exist? Calypso, Tropicana, Bossa Nova, etc styles are completely exempt, as fingernails run on a chalkboard is usually more tolerable. TIA for thoughts / replies, voyteck ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #77 ******************************