From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #76 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, March 15 2002 Volume 05 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT 23 skidoo [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:13:59 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's Bart: >> BIG emotions in music [and lyrics]... some people get away with it while >> others just turn your stomach! Examples anyone? Keith: > how about this one Bart - not a big emotion, just a very big question... > > 'Do you have a big intellectual capacity but know that it alone does not > equate wisdom?' > (from the new Alanis Morissette 'under rug swept' LP) > > well know I don't think I have a big intellectual capacity thanks for > asking, but I do know that this 'equates' shite. Definitely a line to sweep > under your rug Alanis... > > Call me a sad old fart if you want, but you can give me 'make no mistake > about jungle face jake' anyday! Talking about Alanis' rug, this reminds me of that episode of French & Saunders where they were taking the piss of that nudie Alanis' video... Jennifer Saunders [as AM] turned up with this huge HUGE bush! Hilarious! I wonder if miss Morissette ever saw it - but she should! ;-) Cheers... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:42:58 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's bart said > Talking about Alanis' rug, this reminds me of that episode of French & > Saunders where they were taking the piss of that nudie Alanis' video... > Jennifer Saunders [as AM] turned up with this huge HUGE bush! Hilarious! > I wonder if miss Morissette ever saw it - but she should! ;-) i do know that she saw that wonderful routine by irish comedian ed byrne where he took the piss out 'ironic' - the one where he quoted the lyrics and came to the conclusion that what she said might amount to being 'inconvenient' but not 'ironic'. i seem to recall she was quite amused by it... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:47:24 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's << i do know that she saw that wonderful routine by irish comedian ed byrne where he took the piss out 'ironic' - the one where he quoted the lyrics and came to the conclusion that what she said might amount to being 'inconvenient' but not 'ironic'. i seem to recall she was quite amused by it... >> "A traffic jam when you're already late. That's not ironic. It's just...unfortunate. A traffic jam, when you're late - and you're head of the local town planning committee on your way to a meeting about traffic congenstion. Now THAT's ironic... etc" Superb stuff. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:52:45 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's > i do know that she saw that wonderful routine by irish comedian ed byrne > where he took the piss out 'ironic' - the one where he quoted the lyrics and > came to the conclusion that what she said might amount to being > 'inconvenient' but not 'ironic'. i seem to recall she was quite amused by > it... > keith Hey, I remember seeing that too... what program was it, Parky or something? At least she was a good sport about it... Cheers, Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:06:47 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's > << i do know that she saw that wonderful routine by irish comedian ed byrne > where he took the piss out 'ironic' - the one where he quoted the lyrics and > came to the conclusion that what she said might amount to being > 'inconvenient' but not 'ironic'. i seem to recall she was quite amused by > it... >> > > "A traffic jam when you're already late. That's not ironic. It's > just...unfortunate. A traffic jam, when you're late - and you're head of the > local town planning committee on your way to a meeting about traffic > congenstion. Now THAT's ironic... etc" > > Superb stuff. > > Mark > that's the one! saw it initially on 'the full mountie' (hilites of comedy festival), but can't recall where i saw alanis talk about it... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:48:54 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] introducing morrissey whilst not wanting to get back to a is morrissey any cop or not arguement again (!), i thought i'd mention that i finally got round to getting the 'introducing morrissey' video from a few years ago. in fact it was the whole big moz/smiths debate a while back that prompted me to order it. it's a live vid from 1995 and though his mozzness's voice is a little flat at time, it's always good to watch him and it's also a nice little reminder of how good songs like 'the more you ignore me' are. i saw him live a couple of times that year - once headlining and the other supporting bowie at wembley arena. although i went to see moz primarily - having not seen bowie at his peak and having heard bad reports of his 'glass spider' dates etc, i wasn't really arsed about seeing him, though once i actually got the tickets istarted to warm to the idea. and whereas morrissey didn't really perform - he needs the adulation (have you ever seen anyone love being mobbed as much as him!) and playing to someone elses audience didn't suit him - bowie was excellent. what a performer... anyway this video was a nice little reminder of the man and one can only wonder when he will ever get round to actually releasing anything again... keith n.p. 'yes boss food corner' - transglobal underground (not very morrissey i know, but you don't have to sign up to the whole deal do you!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:29:05 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Wire and ATP I must say I've enjoyed reading the reports from the ICers who went to the Gareth Williams gig. The Wire performance sounds thrilling, but I must say I don't regret not forking out for accomodation/travel etc for 15 mins of Wire preceded by what sounds like a somewhat testing evening of self indulgence. I don't know anything about This Heat apart from one track '24 Track Loop' which sounds like a Cabaret Voltaire style groove experiment. It would have been swell to meet some fellow IC-ers (so far I've only met the legendary Graeme Rowland) but some other time y'all! But all bodes well for the new Wire material. I'm intrigued by Marks comment that Colin and Bruce are working together on the new material. I'd got the impresson from Colins previews of Wire stuff on those Webcasts that the new stuff was going to be just Colin manipulating Wire information on his Apple Mac, but Colin working with Bruce sounds fascinating. I like Alistairs description of 2002 Wire: "intense, concentrated power and attitude" That sounds very promising. How many other bands operating in 2002 can you attribute a description like that to? So is anyone going to ATP? I can't make it this year but I recommend it! There is no festival in the UK quite like it. I have been to two of the ATP's and had an amazing time. The best thing about ATP is that it takes place at a Pontins Holiday Camp in Camber Sands. A desolate, fading palace of fun in the middle of nowhere! I'm not the kind of guy who hangs around backstage trying to meet rock stars, but ATP seems to break down the barriers between fans and audience somehow. There isn't really a backstage enclosure so the bands tend to mingle with the fans. At the two ATP's i've been to I've chatted to Mercury Rev and Godspeed You Black Emporer, had a really interesting chat with Colin Newman (documented on Wireviews), and spent a good hour or so drinking with Debbie Goodge from My Bloody Valentine (during the weekend where Kevin Sheilds was booked to play a solo set but never showed up...Mogwai played instead)..she was swell. ATP is very very special! ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:42:21 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lyrics/BIG emo's In a message dated 3/14/02 9:48:22 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >A traffic jam, when you're late - and you're head of the >local town planning committee on your way to a meeting about traffic >congenstion. Now THAT's ironic... didn't i read in an interview with alanis somewhere that that was the original lyric but it didn't fit the melody so she shortened it? i could swear she really meant it that way :o) - -paul (have you tried the alanis lyric generator?) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:56:45 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT 23 skidoo hi all, i know there are a few fans here, so i thought i'd pass along this clip from the most recent parasol records mailing. first time i've seen it for sale... - -paul c.d. In a message dated 3/14/02 9:07:00 PM, parasol@parasol.com writes: >==================== >New Stuff > >23 Skidoo Seven Songs PS, UK Ronin-004 CD $21.25 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #76 ******************************