From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #70 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 9 2002 Volume 05 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Blue Orchids [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] GBV/lyrics/BIG emo's [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Blue Orchids ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: Embarrassing CDs [Michael Flaherty ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:30:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blue Orchids Dan, There was only one BO album - The Greatest Hit (Money Mountain), released in 82. The early 90s retrospective called View from the city is the one that starts with the Flood. This contains most of their recorded work (except one or two B-sides and the final Secret City EP). The new compilation is called A Darker Bloom (on Cherry Red). Unlike AVFTC it's chronological. It contains the album (minus its last track) together with the Nothing left to hide EP and the first 2 singles, as well as three later tracks. It's a pretty shoddy package (crap cover shot of Martin Bramah looking frankly hideous) with sleeve notes by Marc Riley. But the sound is good and it's nice to hear the early singles without vinyl crackles, distortion and wow. I'd been trying to interest LTM in the BOs and I'm sure the package would have been much nicer, with the original artwork etc. The Flood is half of the debut double A-side (along with Disney Boys) and is among the greatest debut singles ever made. They were excellent live too...including at the Liverpool Empire in 1981 with the Bunnymen, Keith. Mark << can't speak for the blue orchids live, but while most of their oeuvre that i've heard made no impression on me whatsoever, a track called "the flood" has made its way onto probably half the mix-tapes i've done the last half-decade or so. i wonder how the track-listing on the newly released retrospective cd compares to the 2 lp's (money mountain & another one on which the flood is the first track ... both of those may themselves be retrospectives, come to think of it) i've got ... >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:43:51 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GBV/lyrics/BIG emo's In a message dated 3/8/02 1:02:19 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << BIG emotions in music [and lyrics]... some people get away with it while others just turn your stomach! Examples anyone? Cheers, Bart >> Nobody gets away with it better than Marc Almond Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:51:22 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blue Orchids > They were excellent live too...including at the Liverpool Empire in 1981 with > the Bunnymen, Keith. > > Mark > i should have had an early night the night before! keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:34:12 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Rest in Peace Oskar Sala -1910-2002 I just found out that the legendary Oskar Sala passed away on February 26th, 2002...Sala is the German inventor/composer most famous for his eerie soundtrack to Alfred Hitchcok's "The Birds"....That soundtrack was composed on the amazing Trautonium...a groundbreaking electronic instrument invented by Friedrich Trautwein that Sala helped perfect by later creating the Mixture Trautonium, an instrument resembling a very large piano and an early Moog control panel..with wires strung across metal where the keys would normally be..Sala would manipulate the wires by placing his hand over them and bending the wires while simultaneously turning the various knobs on the control panel...He was the only person capable of playing the instrument for over 70 years...The Trautonium was a contempory of the Russian Theremin and the Ondes Martenot...Sala studied under Paul Hindemith and was introduced to the Trautonium in 1929...Unlike some of his contemporaries fame eluded Sala as wasn't driven out and did not flee Germany during the Nazi regime...He stayed behind and continued his work, and even recieved government funded money to create various smaller versions of the Trautonium...One such version was the Radio Trautonim, which he showcased across German airwaves during a weekly program...There is said to be 600 plus reels in his personal collection of recordings he made with the various Trautonium models he created....If any Ideal Copyists are interested in exploring any of the great man's music/instrument..i would like to suggest the two wonderful compilations on Pete Namlook's FAX label: My Fascinating Instrument (1995) and Subharmonic Mixtures (1997)...The world of music has lost a truly great innovator whose love of music and creating was not discouraged by political strife or lack of fame...Oskar may you rest in peace after such a long and fruitful life... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:34:55 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rest in Peace Oskar Sala -1910-2002 Robert Lynn recommended: on Pete Namlook's FAX label: My Fascinating Instrument (1995) //////////////////////// With all respect for the dead I hope that he is referring to his Trautonium. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:43:51 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rest in Peace Oskar Sala -1910-2002 In a message dated 3/8/02 1:30:55 PM Central Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << Robert Lynn recommended: on Pete Namlook's FAX label: My Fascinating Instrument (1995) //////////////////////// With all respect for the dead I hope that he is referring to his Trautonium. Eric in Toronto >> hahahhahah cheers to you Eric! and cheers to Oskar and his age old instrument! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:01:08 +0000 From: Bunny Smedley Subject: [idealcopy] 93 feet east gig ? Did anyone go to the Gareth Williams memorial concert last night, at which Wire were due to play a short set? I meant to go along, but got stuck at work much much too late ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:45:27 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] ATP - Los Angeles-style Copy-types~ I don't know if anyone followed this, but next week is the 'All Tomorrow's Parties' deal down in LA. I can't make it down, but noticed that the original Television lineup is slated to play on 3/15! There is a brief article on Pollstar.com about it. Anyone going? Care to post a review afterwards?? Do tell!! ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:37:06 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Embarrassing CDs >From: RLynn9@aol.com many of my buddies >seem to think i should be embarassed of Sylvester, Erasure, Yaz, Skinny >Puppy, Donna Summer, Black Sabbath,Gary Numan, mid-seventies Herbie Hancock >and Miles Davis, Your buddies think you should be embarrassed by MILES DAVIS???!!! I hope their mental paralysis is only temporary. >From: "bartvandamme@home" >A bit late myself... I suppose mine would be a Beatles/Tony Sheridan album. >Not only an embarrasment, but it bores the heck out of me! Buy, anyone? ;-) Boring, yes, but embarrassing, no. If Wire had backed some guy like this before they recorded themselves, I suppose most of us would want a copy. Historical value, and all of that nonsense. ;) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:16:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 feet east gig ? Indeed we did. A record 7 known listers in attendance.... A full report will follow at some point in the next day or two. I'll leave you with three words to think about... New Loud Fast Mark << Did anyone go to the Gareth Williams memorial concert last night, at which Wire were due to play a short set? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:00:22 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rest in Peace Oskar Sala -1910-2002 In a message dated 3/8/02 2:44:15 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > on Pete Namlook's FAX label: My Fascinating Instrument (1995) > //////////////////////// > With all respect for the dead I hope that he is referring to his Trautonium. > > Eric in Toronto > >> >hahahhahah cheers to you Eric! and cheers to Oskar and his age old instrument! >Robert > that IS really funny...but seriously, cheers to you too robert, for writing such a nice piece. early electronic instruments ARE fascinating. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:30:52 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rest in Peace Oskar Sala -1910-2002 In a message dated 3/8/02 7:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > that IS really funny...but seriously, cheers to you too robert, for writing > such a nice piece. early electronic instruments ARE fascinating. > > -paul c.d. > Thank you Paul....i really enjoy reading about the history and evolution of electronic music and the technology/instruments......i have several Sala recordings and i think they are great....they cheer me up sometimes as they are usually bouncy electronic romps (with the exception of The Birds and Stranger at Blackmoor Castle, which are downright creepy) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:23:41 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Embarrassing CDs aw... well allright then... you talked me into keeping the darn thing! ;-) Bart >> From: "bartvandamme@home" >> A bit late myself... I suppose mine would be a Beatles/Tony Sheridan album. >> Not only an embarrasment, but it bores the heck out of me! Buy, anyone? ;-) > > Boring, yes, but embarrassing, no. If Wire had backed some guy like this > before they recorded themselves, I suppose most of us would want a copy. > Historical value, and all of that nonsense. ;) > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #70 ******************************