From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #60 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, February 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] 3 Chairs (Missing) Rhumba ["Stephen Graziano" ] [idealcopy] Embarrassing CD ["Cambra, Robert" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:36:54 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] 3 Chairs (Missing) Rhumba 3 Cheers for WTJU-FM, 91.1 Charlottesville, VA for their 2-hour Wire special Sunday night (prime time too - 7 - 9 pm) as part of their fundraising drive special programming. Free form radio lives. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:08:33 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: [idealcopy] MBV Weatherall Whoever it was that wanted a copy of the MBV/Weatherall Glider remixes, can you mail me off list? Please note the new email address. I've had enough of never being able to access Yahoo! Cheers John _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:44:12 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT- ministry dan wrote : >... another odd juxtaposition, that. possibly gary >clail's human nature as well. blimey, there's another semi-forgotten classic... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:47:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 3 Chairs (Missing) Rhumba - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Graziano > 3 Cheers for WTJU-FM, 91.1 Charlottesville, VA for their 2-hour Wire special > Sunday night (prime time too - 7 - 9 pm) as part of their fundraising drive > special programming. Free form radio lives. > i can't imagine having a two hr wire special round here... any further details on this? what did they play, any interviews or tributes? keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:03:36 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT - records of the century >if seminal live & hex enduction had constituted 67.7 percent of >my intro to the band, i daresay i'd own about 40 less lp's & cd's. Is Hex Enduction a part of "Hip Priests and Kamerads" CD? Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:32:45 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] OT 'before they were sh*t' last months Q mag had footballer stuart pearce picking his top 5 punk albums. this month it's ricky gervais from fab docu sitcom 'the office' (might not have travelled from british telly yet but it's very funny) picking 5 great albums by people 'before they were shit' (i.e. 'great albums by great artists that are possibly frowned upon by anyone who hasn't delved far enough into their back catalogue'). and he featured one - elton johns 'goodbye yellow brick' that got a couple of mentions in our recent embarrssing records saga. the others were... david bowie - ziggy stardust (bit harsh...) rod stewart - every picture tells a story stevie wonder - talking book rolling stones - sticky fingers i don't know about anyone else, but i've got a bit nostalgic about 'maggie may' lately... keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:58:55 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] jim o'rourke & vini reilly briefly a couple of other things in Q magazine that might be of interest... this months 'its a grower' ('celebrating the albums that get better with time') is jim o'rourkes 'insignificance' which ian was raving about. descs it as 'cocksure lynard skynard-style southern rock put through the eggheaded kraut-jazz blender'. good lord!!! apparently he's gonna produce wilco's next album which may (or - after that desc.- may not) please ari. secondly as i seem to recall there being a few vini reilly fans here, i thought i'd mention the brief account of when vini was scheduled to produce the happy mondays 1st ep. the partnership lasted just two hrs with the 'frail guitarist fleeing the studio'. although he was apparently impressed with their guitarist mark day, vini when he returned to the factory offices said 'i cannot spend another second in their fucking presence. they are the worst bastards i have ever come into contact with'. i'd have liked to have been a fly on that studio wall... keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:29:46 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead vs Wire >I'm rather curious about the opinion of Radiohead around here, Opinion is divided as you'll already have gathered. I'm not a huge fan. I think Paranoid Android is the thinking womans Bohemian Rhapsody (a good thing of course), I bought Kid A out of curiosity, being a big electronic music fan I was interested to hear their merging of Autechre/Plaid type electronica within their stadium rock idiom. I thought they did a reasonable job. e. The >3rd album also seems to have had a rather disruptive effect on each band, >leading to prolonged breaks and need for re-evaluation. I actually think 154 was a reasonably fan-pleasing effort. I'd perhaps compare the critical/fan bafflement Radiohead got with Kid A to that given to Wire after their cash-cow sacrifice recorded for posterity on Document & Eyewitness >Perhaps I'm carving the pieces to fit the holes a bit much here, but I am >nevertheless curious how people feel about Radiohead and any >(dis)similarities to Wire. Well, Wire are much more ambiguous in style, for example they don't really do any of that overwrought weeping-wailing-gnashing-of-teeth angst ridden material, which is what really turns me off Radiohead...but seems to fill stadiums for them. But perhaps the most stark difference is that while the burden of their Indie-disco-floor-filler past may keep Thom Yorke awake at night (as it did Kurt Cobain before him), they can't bring themselves to ditch the past and start afresh as Wire have always done (except for the 2000 retrospectives). They refuse to commit commercial suicide whereas Wire have gone to some lengths to do that more than once! If Wire had 'played the game' and not taken extended leave in 1980, carried on releasing consistently good records, had some promotional money spent on them and played fan-pleasing live shows they could easily have been as big as Radiohead, maybe U2. Would they be as interesting a band? Thats a discussion for another thread. So Radiohead have 'played the game' and as a result have a much bigger fanbase that Wire ever had, so have a lot more to lose if they did just do a live show consisting entirely of complex new material (stopping only to demolish 'Creep', perhaps in a Bierkeller 'oompah' version) There is a sense also in which Radiohead are very much more a Fan orientated band than Wire. Wire are very much more arty and distant. To their credit they even do this now, at a time when they are without a proper record deal, probably not earning huge amounts of money and the temptation would be 'do a Marillion' and let your fans direct and sponsor the bands activities.... whereas Radiohead, while they come on all serious and anti-commercial, are ultimately well aware of their huge fanbase of troubled adolescents and haven't the heart to dissappoint the poor sods by not playing 'Creep' as an encore once in a while. But while I have my criticisms of them, they are one of the few mainstream acts to take any real risks and UK music would scene would be poorer without them. I've said it before, if a kid gets into Radiohead..if he/she does a bit of digging they'll find their way to My Bloody Valentine, Can, Joy Division, Autechre, Boards of Canada, Scott Walker, Syd Barrett , maybe even Wire (surely Radiohead have been listening to 154?) which justifies their existence as far as I'm concerned. But the comparison is valid! Maybe Wire were the Radiohead of their day. But when Wire were in their formative years, marketing people didn't know how to promote them and their most commerical efforts stiffed despite critical acclaim. When Radiohead emerged, they became huge because marketing bods knew they could fire them at the same audience that was mourning Nirvana. Still, better we fling this at our Kids than Sum 41, Blink 182, Eminem, No Doubt and all that other MTV tosh. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:34:48 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Embarrassing CD Thinking about what my most embarrassing cd would be I was going through the oldie moldies, but no--my most embarrassing cd is something I got--by special order--just last year: ZERO LANDMINE, by Eno, David Sylvian and a lot of others whose work I at least usually like. My only solace is that I've contributed to a worthy cause, but, oh, what a wet, simpering we-are-the-world touchy-feely disk; and it goes on and on with version after version of the same soggy song. This is what completism will get ya. I felt embarrassed listening to it at home by my self. Robert *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:18:52 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Embarrassing CDs I own THREE Korn CDs. Which brings me to the question: What one CD should one be most embarrassed to admit to owning on this list? Is there anything that is so universally reviled as to subject its owner to ridicule from everyone on the list? Or is there at least one person who likes everything? From discussions here in the past, it looks like there is no artist, save Wire, that is liked by everyone, and it would be difficult to find even a Wire song that every single member thought was great. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #60 ******************************