From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #57 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, February 24 2002 Volume 05 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential ["Scott Kellock" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Beatles Ha Ha ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential ["dan bailey" ] RE: [idealcopy] exciting tracks ["Steve" ] [idealcopy] Boring Electronica Really? [Mr Grumpy ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV ["Keith A] [idealcopy] The most embarassing cd in my collection is [Mike Edwards ] Re: [idealcopy] The most embarassing cd in my collection is [eric719@webt] Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] The most embarassing cd in my collection is ["dan bailey"] Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] OT: School of Fish [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] Fwd: I DJ Wire and ting [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV ["dan bai] [idealcopy] Re: OT-the fall/ministry [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT-the fall/ministry ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: ; "Scott Kellock" Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band Potential > > Wire flattered to deceive unfortunately. > > 'pink flag' isn't even in my top ten of all time, but i'd never accuse wire > of flattering to deceive! > > keith Hi Keith. I got the reaction I was looking for by including "Pink Flag" and by including the "Wedding Present". I find myself listening to alot of "Cinerama" at the moment Check them out if you think Gedge has not developed as a great song writer. Another band I was also going to include was "Half Man Half Biscuit" Talented beyond recognition. Every Album a Classic.OK they can be fun but they also make you think. This is an example of what came out of Punk not the drivel served up by "Wire" band members solo projects. ( Apart from DOME & SHIVERING MAN ). Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:16:19 -0000 From: "Scott Kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] Beatles Ha Ha > --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > > I'm 40 this year and been and still am an avid > > collector of Wire related > > > material since 1977.But I feel they weren't > > talented enough to take there > > > music further and project it to a wider > > audience.So here's my Top 5 > > Greatest.( > > > in reverse order ) > > > 5. The Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different > > Kitchen > > > 4. The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus > > > 3. Wire - Pink Flag > > > > well they must be pretty talented if they made what > > you consider the third > > album of all time... > > > > > 2. The Wedding Present - Bizzaro > > > > i don't remember david gedge outselling the beatles > > either. (i don't > > remember the wedding present making any decent > > records after 'george best' > > either, but that's another story...) > > > > > 1. New Order - Get Ready > > > > > > Maybe a shock No 1 but It's a Perfect Album. Joy > > Division in there > > somewhere? > > > Wire flattered to deceive unfortunately. > > > > 'pink flag' isn't even in my top ten of all time, > > but i'd never accuse wire > > of flattering to deceive! > > > > keith > - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: ; "Scott Kellock" Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band Potential > > Wire flattered to deceive unfortunately. > > 'pink flag' isn't even in my top ten of all time, but i'd never accuse wire > of flattering to deceive! > > keith Hi Keith. I got the reaction I was looking for by including "Pink Flag" and by including the "Wedding Present". I find myself listening to alot of "Cinerama" at the moment Check them out if you think Gedge has not developed as a great song writer. Another band I was also going to include was "Half Man Half Biscuit" Talented beyond recognition. Every Album a Classic.OK they can be fun but they also make you think. This is an example of what came out of Punk not the drivel served up by "Wire" band members solo projects. ( Apart from DOME & SHIVERING MAN ). Scott ps The Beatles were shite. Everybody likes them because people are afraid to say they are shite because "THE MAJORITY " say they are brill "Are They Really" Come on!! Influential maybe,GOOD..I doubt it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:28:34 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential In a message dated 2/23/02 1:10:44 PM, scott@kellock42.freeserve.co.uk writes: > >This is an example of what came out of Punk not the drivel served up by >"Wire" band members solo projects. ( Apart from DOME & SHIVERING MAN ). uh oh...quick! let's all reread the posts that ended about a month or so ago, where we all disussed our appreciation for the diversity of sounds on wire solo and off-shoot projects. :o) well, not that we all claimed to appreciate the diversity...just that our personal tastes are varied enough that we each like something from the guys' in addition to the wire music. i wonder, is there anyone here who doesn't like ANY of the non-wire projects? - -paul (muzi) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:48:19 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Beatles Ha Ha In a message dated 2/23/02 1:17:00 PM, scott@kellock42.freeserve.co.uk writes: > >ps The Beatles were shite. Everybody likes them because people are afraid >to >say they are shite because "THE MAJORITY " say they are brill "Are They >Really" Come on!! Influential maybe,GOOD..I doubt it. oy vey. i think the discussion on this goes back a year or more. are we gonna do it all over again? attempting to sum it up by memory: someone made a similar statement to scott's (above), only i think it didn't include the half-admission of them being influential. a beatle battle ensued. i believe the person who made the initial statement then agreed to the "influential" part. then someone (graham maybe?) made a point along the following (and if i'm not remembering this part correctly, it's okay, cuz this is my take on it): the beatles are so ingrained in society, that it is easy to dismiss their music as _____(fill in the blank). i think this is mostly true for people who didn't witness the beatles as they happened. i'm only 37 (for 1 more week), but i was raised in a house with a great appreciation for new music. i owned almost all the beatles music by the time i was 8. they were SO influential because they were SO good. how else can you explain the influence they have had over the generations of music that followed? so my question to scott is, in what way were the beatles not good? not good singers? not good songwriters? not good musicians? i have said before that i don't like the beach boys, but i've never said that they were bad at any of those things. i just don't enjoy listening to them sing. i have no problem admitting that they were good and influential. - -paul (i was never a walrus) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:36:32 -0800 From: Anthony Kyle Monday Subject: Re: [OT] Mark Smith-ah and the Fall-ah! (was Re: [idealcopy] OT - records of the century) For a decent, all around sampler, I'd really recommend the BBC Peel Sessions Fall release. There's nothing past Cerebral Caustic on it, but I think many of the performances of the tracks on there better the original studio versions for power, and there isn't a duff track in the bunch. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:21:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Beatles Ha Ha I think SOME of the Beatles stuff was good,at least they produced a (somewhat) different sound from l.p to l.p,always(i.m.h.o) a sign of talent. to write them off totaly is wrong.'having said that'(and i hate that phrase)I have no Beatles stuff myself.Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:24:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential Paul wrote:i wonder, is there anyone here who doesn't like ANY of the non-wire projects? - -paul (muzi) c.d. I must admit that,apart from 'he said she said',the onlt Wire 'related' stuff I like is by Colin.the rest?nah! .Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:40:52 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks correct -- changed my sign-on a couple of years ago because occasional e-mails to work as "tube disaster" just didn't seem, ah, seemly (though even so that was probably better than the previous "antichrist newsboy," from a terrorist group in tom dehaven's novel "freaks amour"). great, great song ... rivaled amongst classic anarcho 7"s only by the poison girls/crass (great singles, tedious lp's) split & the first hit parade, i'd say. the strive to survive lp was, i thought, one of the better albums from that subgenre as well (along with the debuts by zounds, instigators & omega tribe -- seems like i'm forgetting at least one, though, & of course there were much later efforts by chumbawamba & blyth power), but certainly nothing on it stood out like t.d. flux's 2nd was an adventure in endurance -- the fact that i've got 2 copies is testament only to my willingness to pick up a mint one for $5 at the store behind my former house for eventual e-bay resale. don't have anything of theirs after that, though the eventual dance offshoot hotalico(sp?) sounded from reviews like it might be interesting ... dan >That would be Dan. If I'm right he used to sign >himself off as Tube Disaster. Yes, a cracking EP. >The LP lost a bit of impetus really. And as for the >second LP...? Was quite partial to Uncarved Block >though. > >Best Pistols? Holidays in the Sun and I Wanna Be Me. > >John, still 34. > >--- Keith Astbury wrote: >> Sorry can't remember who and i've deleted message, >> but someone mentioned the Q >> mag 50 most exciting tracks (i too prefer other >> pistols stuff to 'GSTQ') and >> then mentioned 'tube disaster'. >> is that the flux of pink indians one we're talking >> about. i haven't got >> anything else by them but that - from the neu smell >> poem to the ferocious punk >> riff of 'T.D.' - was a fantastic record. >> think i might have to dig that out and give it a >> whirl... >> keith >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:47:10 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Beatles Ha Ha paul eardrum said > the beatles are so ingrained in society, that it is easy to dismiss > their music as _____(fill in the blank). i think this is mostly true for > people who didn't witness the beatles as they happened. i'm only 37 (for 1 > more week), but i was raised in a house with a great appreciation for new > music. i owned almost all the beatles music by the time i was 8. they were SO > influential because they were SO good. how else can you explain the influence > they have had over the generations of music that followed? > i wasn't here when this debate went on last time, but basically i agree with paul. i can't remember life before the beatles - they were so important (and everywhere!) when i was growing up. in fact 'she loves you' is - along with that daft 'three wheels on my wagon' - probably the first record i can remember. i remained liking the beatles till my late teens / early 20's buying most of their albums on vinyl along the way, but then sort of subconsciously shut them out - not cos i went off their music but because i got fed up of an older generation saying 'there'll never be anything as good as the beatles'. it was only when watching some of that mammoth tv series a few years ago that i remembered how important they'd been to my upbringing - and yes how influential they'd been on me. so whilst i rarely play their stuff at home (the only album i've ever bothered to get on cd is 'revolver') i was really upset when george died and i will defend them to the hilt. and for the record, there will never be another beatles - not because no-one will make music that good again (i think loads of people have) - but because no one group will ever affect so many lives and help move things on in quite the same way as they did. music is so much more disparate now isn't it. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:52:11 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Various >Fall LPs. Isn't there an archive somewhere where we >can all post our faves? Ignore Mark and Dan what you >need is Dragnet, Slates and Grotesque (After the >Gramme). And why don't you like Hex Enduction Hour? >Clean out your ears at once. 8-) as it happens, i came across my ancient tape of dragnet (with peter gabriel's 3rd on the flipside -- odd juxtaposition ... i bought them during the same period in the fall of '80) in the car yesterday & gave it a spin (still in progress: i'm up to diceman) for the first time in well over a decade. still isn't doing a thing for me, sad to say. i am reminded anew, though, of why i found it so gravely disappointing coming on the hells of witch trials, as in comparison it's so poorly produced & rudimentarily performed as to make rebellious jukebox, various times, etc, sound like outtakes from pet sounds. no doubt hex will get another airing as well sooner or later, but again i have few expectations of an elevation in reputation. one never knows, though -- as i've noted before, the same period's grotesque took 15 years or more to grow, fungus-like, on me ... i do agree about slates' relative excellence. dan > >Kylie: Thought it was ok til she starting singing the >words to Blue Monday. That made it sound like Jive >Bunny rather than a rather clever remix. I still >don't see why people think she's sexually attractive >however. A Voidoid? Maybe she could do 'Betrayal >Takes Two'? > >Most Embarrassing Record Owned: Toss up between 'Doin >the Do' by Betty Boo, Cockney Rejects 'Easy Life' EP, >or the latest Fall CD. > >Best of the century: Possibly Noahjohn's 'Had A >Burning'. Latest Mercury Rev gets a lot of attention >round these parts too. > >Wire should play a warm up at the Social in Nottingham >again. For those more recent listers there are photos >of the last time they played there at >http://www.geocities.com/wirearchive >Click on the photos to work your way through. > >Did anyone get that Dutch Practice Makes Perfect >RealPlayer file to work? > >Cheers > >John, 34. >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:53:32 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential ditto. my interest ends about the time the final track of it seems does. dan >Paul wrote:i wonder, is there anyone here who doesn't >like ANY of the non-wire >projects? > >-paul (muzi) c.d. >I must admit that,apart from 'he said she said',the >onlt Wire 'related' stuff I like is by Colin.the >rest?nah! .Ari > >===== >everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:55:26 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks the strive to survive lp was, i thought, one of the better albums from >that subgenre as well (along with the debuts by zounds, instigators & omega >tribe -- seems like i'm forgetting at least one, though, no bloody kidding -- rudimentary peni's death church. one of my top 5 or 6 ever ... not only best anarcho album but best goth as well. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:09:26 -0800 From: "Steve" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] exciting tracks The Zounds album is a classic. On the Flux thread "The 1970's Have Been Made In Hong Kong" in their earlier incarnation as The Epileptics was another great single. Dirt - "Object/Refuse" and The Mob - "No Doves Cry Here" are two other greats from that time that spring to mind. Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of dan bailey Sent: 23 February 2002 12:41 To: idealcopy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks correct -- changed my sign-on a couple of years ago because occasional e-mails to work as "tube disaster" just didn't seem, ah, seemly (though even so that was probably better than the previous "antichrist newsboy," from a terrorist group in tom dehaven's novel "freaks amour"). great, great song ... rivaled amongst classic anarcho 7"s only by the poison girls/crass (great singles, tedious lp's) split & the first hit parade, i'd say. the strive to survive lp was, i thought, one of the better albums from that subgenre as well (along with the debuts by zounds, instigators & omega tribe -- seems like i'm forgetting at least one, though, & of course there were much later efforts by chumbawamba & blyth power), but certainly nothing on it stood out like t.d. flux's 2nd was an adventure in endurance -- the fact that i've got 2 copies is testament only to my willingness to pick up a mint one for $5 at the store behind my former house for eventual e-bay resale. don't have anything of theirs after that, though the eventual dance offshoot hotalico(sp?) sounded from reviews like it might be interesting ... dan >That would be Dan. If I'm right he used to sign >himself off as Tube Disaster. Yes, a cracking EP. >The LP lost a bit of impetus really. And as for the >second LP...? Was quite partial to Uncarved Block >though. > >Best Pistols? Holidays in the Sun and I Wanna Be Me. > >John, still 34. > >--- Keith Astbury wrote: >> Sorry can't remember who and i've deleted message, >> but someone mentioned the Q >> mag 50 most exciting tracks (i too prefer other >> pistols stuff to 'GSTQ') and >> then mentioned 'tube disaster'. >> is that the flux of pink indians one we're talking >> about. i haven't got >> anything else by them but that - from the neu smell >> poem to the ferocious punk >> riff of 'T.D.' - was a fantastic record. >> think i might have to dig that out and give it a >> whirl... >> keith >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:16:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica Really? 'Far Away > Trains Passing By' by Ulrich > > Schnauss. I have searched everywhere. Would someone be willing to provide a copy of this? I could trade something. Thanks, Billy ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:57:20 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential scott said - ----- > Hi Keith. > I got the reaction I was looking for by including "Pink Flag" and by > including the "Wedding Present". I find myself listening to alot of > "Cinerama" at the moment Check them out if you think Gedge has not developed > as a great song writer. i've heard cinerama on peel (couldn't tell you what though) and it sounded pretty good. i certainly liked it more than anything by the wedding present since the ukrainian stuff, which for some bizarre reason, i was rather partial to. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:14:07 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] electronica i'm having a bit of a problem with this 'electronica' thing... i know people could always argue about whether something belongs to a particular genre or not (is shaggy reggae or were the police punk - no they weren't, but i know some people who thought they were - and for that matter, were wire ?), but the people mentioned in this particular genre seemed to encompass acts of such a diverse nature, that i'm not sure what 'electronica' is supposed to be... personally i would have counted the likes of a aphex twin or autechre as electronica, but not, say, latter day leftfield (other than the odd track) or loop guru (whatsoever). however i haven't got any better ideas because I wouldn't particularly class either of these as 'dance' either. it reminds me of the ludicrous situation of massive attack winning best dance act catagories. i love listening to massive attack but i wouldn't particularly want to dance to them. tricky one isn't it... incidentally, i love the reggae tinged second leftfield album that met with indifference on it's release. i think it's wearing really well... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:19:30 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV > as it happens I > actually prefer Shaggy to Dylan, but to compare the two is like comparing a > cabbage with a handbag. > i probably do too, but as a matter of interest, which one's the cabbage ?!? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:19:27 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: [idealcopy] The most embarassing cd in my collection is By far it's Elton John's "goodbye yellow brick road", which brings back fond teen memories of nervous fumbling with bra straps and getting a hand job in church. Good times...good times. I still love that record. Mike E. The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad. - -Salvador Dali, painter (1904-1989) Come see The Mike und Pat reader! http://CFT.tripod.com/mikeundpat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:29:49 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Band Potential > Paul wrote:i wonder, is there anyone here who doesn't > like ANY of the non-wire > projects? > > -paul (muzi) c.d. > I must admit that,apart from 'he said she said',the > onlt Wire 'related' stuff I like is by Colin.the > rest?nah! .Ari > i love 'a-z' and 'not to', but didn't buy another colin newman album then till 'bastard' some of which i like, some of which i'm not so keen on... i liked 'take care' - esp. 'could you', but then again that's a fucking good tune. apart from one dome album that's pretty much it on the wire solo front for me, though i have to say i really like colin's stuff on 'swim team #1' (i love the whole album in fact) and will be delving urther on that front. can't believe i mentioned george harrison earlier and didn't mention colin's version of 'blue jay way', surely one of the funniest cover versions of all time. is it just me or does it sound like the biggest piss take on earth? keith np Q's best of 2001. the stereophonics have come on - and gone off again! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:47:13 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks > correct -- changed my sign-on a couple of years ago because occasional > e-mails to work as "tube disaster" just didn't seem, ah, seemly > > great, great song ... rivaled amongst classic anarcho 7"s only by the poison > girls/crass (great singles, tedious lp's) split & the first hit parade, i'd > say. never liked crass myself (well what little i heard anyway), but loved a couple of other singles on their label (if i remember rightly). the honey bane e.p. (before she tried the pop route) was excellent (as was her earlier 'violence grows' 45 when a fatal microbe) and that 'this is your captain speaking' by the good captain before he engaged in his happy talking. incidentally, things are looking up on british tv at the moment. following the strokes (and kylie!) on the brits, we've had the hives (and tito maas) on 'totp' last night, and this morning i saw the white stripes really going for it on kids tv (cd:uk). i know we've discussed the hives before and i would never pretend that they're the future of (swedish) music, but i really do think that the single genuinely creates the spirit of '77, something which lots of people try but invariably fail. ash spring to mind here. just can't see what the fuss is about myself. people who know me and my tastes expect me to like them, cos they know i'm sucker for a good tune and ash were supposedly the buzzcocks of the 90's, but tim wheeler just lacks shelleys way with a tune, quite apart from being unable to compete with his barbed 'till the razor cuts' lyrics. that 'sometimes' single from last year was truly dismal. it's one thing coming up with a simple catchy toon, but it's just as important to make sure it's not shite at the same time... keith 'finger on the pin, do you like my grin?' (julian cope 1981) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:50:03 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: electronica From: Mr Grumpy > Btw, I still listen to Leftfield's second cd and I > think it's better than the first. Just my opinion. > so do i, though i suspect we're in a minority... keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:55:13 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The most embarassing cd in my collection is I have a cd by a Japanese duo called Interior. The album is called Design. For real. I bought it out of curiosity to see who would come up with such a silly name. Don't ask what kind of music it is. ;-) Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:44:00 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks >never liked crass myself (well what little i heard anyway), but loved a >couple of other singles on their label (if i remember rightly). the honey >bane e.p. (before she tried the pop route) was excellent (as was her earlier >'violence grows' 45 when a fatal microbe) thought of that release myself (which unfortunately i own only on 2nd-hand cassette) ... that's crass backing her up as the kebabs(?), of course. dan and that 'this is your captain >speaking' by the good captain before he engaged in his happy talking. > >incidentally, things are looking up on british tv at the moment. following >the strokes (and kylie!) on the brits, we've had the hives (and tito maas) >on 'totp' last night, and this morning i saw the white stripes really going >for it on kids tv (cd:uk). > >i know we've discussed the hives before and i would never pretend that >they're the future of (swedish) music, but i really do think that the single >genuinely creates the spirit of '77, something which lots of people try but >invariably fail. ash spring to mind here. just can't see what the fuss is >about myself. people who know me and my tastes expect me to like them, cos >they know i'm sucker for a good tune and ash were supposedly the buzzcocks >of the 90's, but tim wheeler just lacks shelleys way with a tune, quite >apart from being unable to compete with his barbed 'till the razor cuts' >lyrics. > >that 'sometimes' single from last year was truly dismal. it's one thing >coming up with a simple catchy toon, but it's just as important to make sure >it's not shite at the same time... > >keith > >'finger on the pin, do you like my grin?' (julian cope 1981) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:46:51 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The most embarassing cd in my collection is i picked that one up (on vinyl) a year or 2 ago only because of the presence of something called "the legend of danny bailey," or something like that. had i known of the album's vast powers, i'd have owned it long ago ... & probably wouldn't have stopped going to church in my teens, either. dan >By far it's Elton John's "goodbye yellow brick road", which brings back >fond teen memories of nervous fumbling with bra straps and getting a >hand job in church. Good times...good times. I still love that record. >Mike E. > > The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad. >-Salvador >Dali, painter (1904-1989) > > >Come see The Mike und Pat reader! >http://CFT.tripod.com/mikeundpat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:02:09 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks true enough (i'm also partial to the epileptics' what've you got to smile about) ... a couple of decades on, it's common to hear the anarcho bands dismissed as a bunch of tuneless soundalikes, but the best definitely deviated sharply from discharge clonehood -- mob, flux, omegas, zounds, peni, instigators, hit parade, lost cherrees, hagar the womb, subhumans, poison girls, amebix (whose first couple of records owed lots more to killing joke than to grindcore, which come to think of it i suppose they sort of invented -- nothing to be particularly proud of, though), etc. & for all their album-length shortcomings, crass songs like shaved women, big a little a, bloody revolutions, nagasaki nightmare, etc were pretty damned chance-taking in those dark days of ... hmmm, what was big in punk circles back then? oi? dan >The Zounds album is a classic. On the Flux thread "The 1970's Have Been Made >In Hong Kong" in their earlier incarnation as The Epileptics was another >great single. Dirt - "Object/Refuse" and The Mob - "No Doves Cry Here" are >two other greats from that time that spring to mind. > >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On >Behalf Of dan bailey >Sent: 23 February 2002 12:41 >To: idealcopy >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks > > >correct -- changed my sign-on a couple of years ago because occasional >e-mails to work as "tube disaster" just didn't seem, ah, seemly (though even >so that was probably better than the previous "antichrist newsboy," from a >terrorist group in tom dehaven's novel "freaks amour"). > >great, great song ... rivaled amongst classic anarcho 7"s only by the poison >girls/crass (great singles, tedious lp's) split & the first hit parade, i'd >say. the strive to survive lp was, i thought, one of the better albums from >that subgenre as well (along with the debuts by zounds, instigators & omega >tribe -- seems like i'm forgetting at least one, though, & of course there >were much later efforts by chumbawamba & blyth power), but certainly nothing >on it stood out like t.d. flux's 2nd was an adventure in endurance -- the >fact that i've got 2 copies is testament only to my willingness to pick up a >mint one for $5 at the store behind my former house for eventual e-bay >resale. don't have anything of theirs after that, though the eventual dance >offshoot hotalico(sp?) sounded from reviews like it might be interesting ... > >dan > > >>That would be Dan. If I'm right he used to sign >>himself off as Tube Disaster. Yes, a cracking EP. >>The LP lost a bit of impetus really. And as for the >>second LP...? Was quite partial to Uncarved Block >>though. >> >>Best Pistols? Holidays in the Sun and I Wanna Be Me. >> >>John, still 34. >> >>--- Keith Astbury wrote: >>> Sorry can't remember who and i've deleted message, >>> but someone mentioned the Q >>> mag 50 most exciting tracks (i too prefer other >>> pistols stuff to 'GSTQ') and >>> then mentioned 'tube disaster'. >>> is that the flux of pink indians one we're talking >>> about. i haven't got >>> anything else by them but that - from the neu smell >>> poem to the ferocious punk >>> riff of 'T.D.' - was a fantastic record. >>> think i might have to dig that out and give it a >>> whirl... >>> keith >>Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >>http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:37:53 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: School of Fish Yeah, yeah, yeah! The Beatles are the illusionaries / visionaries of pop. The clever word threads via 'almost imposed' way of social thought brought thoughts of 'carrots at the end of a stick' to mind when previously mentioned. What is life's handbook? Ob-la-di ob-la-da? The trive of acceptance / love? OCD!!!! The joker laughs at you!!! Nestled in at 64, listening to Autechre, Pit bulls on crack, Gay bikers on acid, & the Genitorturers before lunch brings thoughts of "Savoy Truffle". Drill: http://lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/toc_tabo.html (Don't) pi$$ on the school!?!! The long & Wired bridge, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:30:12 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: I DJ Wire and ting Sorry folks, Keith has rightly pointed out that I didn't include a proper link. Its: http://www.kidsindestructible.com/article.asp?articleid=66 >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:36:21 +0000 >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >From: Tim >Subject: I DJ Wire and ting >Cc: rLynn9@aol.com > > >Bored listees with Real Audio may like to listen to the DJ set on our website. > >Something for everyone here, a bit of Wire related stuff including perhaps >a rather cheeky mis-use of a Bruce Gilbert track, some of that 'boring' >electronica we've been talking about...oh and something for your 80s >college kids out there. > >Oh, and the Carpenters and Ian Dury. Well we were brought up on The Orb >after all which means anything goes > >________________________________________ >Two Fat Persons........Click Click Click >www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:38:00 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV Well I hadn't thought about it much, but...Shaggy would be the Handbag. Which ever way you look at it, "Mr Boombastic" shits on "Lay Lady Lay". At 22:19 23/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > as it happens I > > actually prefer Shaggy to Dylan, but to compare the two is like comparing >a > > cabbage with a handbag. > > >i probably do too, but as a matter of interest, which one's the cabbage ?!? ________________________________________ Monster monster www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:25:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Isn't this a.............. ..........great list to be on?Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:16:25 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV jesus ... virtually everything else dylan himself ever did also shits on lay lady lay (neatly covered by ministry a few years ago, though ... probably the best thing they did in the '90s). dan >Well I hadn't thought about it much, but...Shaggy would be the Handbag. > >Which ever way you look at it, "Mr Boombastic" shits on "Lay Lady Lay". > > >At 22:19 23/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: >> > as it happens I >> > actually prefer Shaggy to Dylan, but to compare the two is like comparing >>a >> > cabbage with a handbag. >> > >>i probably do too, but as a matter of interest, which one's the cabbage ?!? > >________________________________________ >Monster monster >www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:42:28 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT-the fall/ministry can't remember what the consensus was (or if there was one) on infotainment scan. i never had that one, but i found it today for 4 bucks. so, what's the verdict? i'm sure i'll keep it anyway, but i'm just wondering. - -paul c.d. p.s. did anyone hear a rumor yesterday that alain jourgenson died? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:55:24 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT-the fall/ministry >can't remember what the consensus was (or if there was one) on infotainment >scan. i never had that one, but i found it today for 4 bucks. so, what's the >verdict? i'm sure i'll keep it anyway, but i'm just wondering. infotainment had a lot to do with rekindling my interest in the band in the early '90s (kurious oranj & extricate i'd found markedly subpar, while shiftwork & code: selfish i hadn't heard because they weren't out in the u.s.). worth the price of admission for glam racket alone. > >-paul c.d. > >p.s. did anyone hear a rumor yesterday that alain jourgenson died? > haven't heard a word. nobody ever tells me anything ... dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #57 ******************************