From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #56 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, February 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Walker Brothers - Nite Flights ["Giacomo" ] AW: [idealcopy] don't nick my pink ballet shoes.../huh [Woerner Frank ] RE: [idealcopy] Re: magazine ["Steve" ] [idealcopy] Various [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: magazine [Neil Soiseth ] Re: [idealcopy] kylie & the strokes! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Music Cannibals [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Video Conversion [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] nite flights ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: magazine [JH3 ] Re: [idealcopy] Music Cannibals [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Band Potential ["Scott Kellock" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: magazine [Neil Soiseth ] [idealcopy] Re: Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV [RLynn9@a] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:22:30 +0100 From: "Giacomo" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Walker Brothers - Nite Flights Hi, I've got the beautiful Nite Flights on cd, one of the best things Scott Walker did. It always remainds me to the gorgeus Bowie cover... I can do copies for anyone who wants it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:06:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy]../huh,2 >I wrote............ >That's nothing buddy,over here in the u.s.of a,there >ARE people that have never heard of frank zapa or >miles davis,i think they're all from an alien planet!Ari ............... then Dan wrote yeah, but most of 'em wouldn't have a clue who magazine (or whoever the u.s. equivalent might've been ... comparisons escape me ... mission of burma?) was, surely. dan - -------------------------------------------------------So I'm replying with------------------------- you're not wrong,most americano's are somewhat ignorant of 'real' alternative music,though i think that with the likes of wilco (and should I include Tom Waits?)things may be changing.I HIGHLY recommend Wilco's 'Being There' as a first listening,I sent a copy to Giacom and,like me,he can't stop playing(stop it,stop it,naughty c.d) (there's only one)Ari Click a to send an instant message to an online friend = Online, = Offline ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:34:21 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] don't nick my pink ballet shoes.../huh - -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ari Britt [mailto:luvjazzz@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Februar 2002 00:17 An: idealcopy@smoe.org Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] don't nick my pink ballet shoes.../huh Keith wrote:the strange thing about it though was this person - as someone who liked magazine enough to see them 4 times - didn't know who wire were. goes to show i suppose that despite being signed to a major label and having a minor hit with 'outdoor miner', how little known they were to the general public... keith ............ That's nothing buddy,over here in the u.s.of a,there ARE people that have never heard of frank zapa or miles davis,i think they're all from an alien planet!Ari Well, I do know who Frank Zappa and Miles Davis were but I checked the US Top 20 charts today and out of 20 "artists" I did know just three .... Just to write something ontopic I saw Wire live as opening act to Roxy Music. Magazine I saw never ... :-( FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:27:25 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: magazine I bought the `best of' after the recent talk about magazine on list. I am underwhelmed - on this form I definitely prefer Foxx era Ultravox. Is the compilation (forget the exact title) a poor take on the proper albums? I should add that this is probably the first time I've been disappointed by anything mentioned on here. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:10:56 -0800 From: "Steve" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: magazine Real Life and Secondhand Daylight are way superior to the Best Of Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Howard Spencer Sent: 22 February 2002 03:27 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: magazine I bought the `best of' after the recent talk about magazine on list. I am underwhelmed - on this form I definitely prefer Foxx era Ultravox. Is the compilation (forget the exact title) a poor take on the proper albums? I should add that this is probably the first time I've been disappointed by anything mentioned on here. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] Various Twopenneth from recent postings: Fall LPs. Isn't there an archive somewhere where we can all post our faves? Ignore Mark and Dan what you need is Dragnet, Slates and Grotesque (After the Gramme). And why don't you like Hex Enduction Hour? Clean out your ears at once. 8-) Kylie: Thought it was ok til she starting singing the words to Blue Monday. That made it sound like Jive Bunny rather than a rather clever remix. I still don't see why people think she's sexually attractive however. A Voidoid? Maybe she could do 'Betrayal Takes Two'? Most Embarrassing Record Owned: Toss up between 'Doin the Do' by Betty Boo, Cockney Rejects 'Easy Life' EP, or the latest Fall CD. Best of the century: Possibly Noahjohn's 'Had A Burning'. Latest Mercury Rev gets a lot of attention round these parts too. Wire should play a warm up at the Social in Nottingham again. For those more recent listers there are photos of the last time they played there at http://www.geocities.com/wirearchive Click on the photos to work your way through. Did anyone get that Dutch Practice Makes Perfect RealPlayer file to work? Cheers John, 34. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:59:04 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: magazine Speaking of Magazine, perhaps somebody here can help me out on a minor mystery. Some 15 years or so ago, I bought a used Magazine lp called An Alternative Use of Soap. With a slightly different running order than The Correct Use of Soap, it also contains The Light Pours Out Of Me (different mix than Real Life) and Upside Down instead of Model Worker and I'm a Party. It comes in a plain gray sleeve with a round hole in the centre to see the album's label (not a boot, tho--it has the Virgin imprint). I've never found this album in any discography and have always been curious about how widespread it's distribution was or any other info about its origin. Thanks, Neil Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:59:28 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kylie & the strokes! > Kylie: Thought it was ok til she starting singing the > words to Blue Monday. That made it sound like Jive > Bunny rather than a rather clever remix. I still > don't see why people think she's sexually attractive > however. A Voidoid? Maybe she could do 'Betrayal > Takes Two'? as a due with jason maybe... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:09:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] exciting tracks Sorry can't remember who and i've deleted message, but someone mentioned the Q mag 50 most exciting tracks (i too prefer other pistols stuff to 'GSTQ') and then mentioned 'tube disaster'. is that the flux of pink indians one we're talking about. i haven't got anything else by them but that - from the neu smell poem to the ferocious punk riff of 'T.D.' - was a fantastic record. think i might have to dig that out and give it a whirl... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:10:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks How about We are all prostitutes by the Pop Group? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:27:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks > How about We are all prostitutes by the Pop Group? i never got that one - saw the original for a fiver last year and like a dickhead i didn't get it then either. incidentally, i'm sure nick cave picked that as his fave record of the last century on some channel four thing a couple of years ago. the pop group song i liked though was 'she is beyond good and evil'. a really wild track... the most exciting single of the last few years for me was 'kowalski' by primal scream though it's hard to define why you find something exciting as opposed to just..er..good. keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:24:07 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks > How about We are all prostitutes by the Pop Group? hear hear... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:43:32 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks WAAP is like SIBGAE with the excitement factor multiplied by 20. Mark << the pop group song i liked though was 'she is beyond good and evil'. a really wild track... >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:23:12 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music Cannibals on 22/02/02 01:53, voyteck@webtv.net at voyteck@webtv.net wrote: > Wire did right in their 80's > tours by not playing previous material, only the current & forthcoming. > Once something is done, it's unique to that place in time (who said to > the effect "it's better to fail inventing than to succeed > duplicating?"). Well, that's logical enough and I basically agree. What bothers me is how did Wire succeed in sounding fresh and new in the RFH when they played an even older material. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:42:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] exciting tracks That would be Dan. If I'm right he used to sign himself off as Tube Disaster. Yes, a cracking EP. The LP lost a bit of impetus really. And as for the second LP...? Was quite partial to Uncarved Block though. Best Pistols? Holidays in the Sun and I Wanna Be Me. John, still 34. - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > Sorry can't remember who and i've deleted message, > but someone mentioned the Q > mag 50 most exciting tracks (i too prefer other > pistols stuff to 'GSTQ') and > then mentioned 'tube disaster'. > is that the flux of pink indians one we're talking > about. i haven't got > anything else by them but that - from the neu smell > poem to the ferocious punk > riff of 'T.D.' - was a fantastic record. > think i might have to dig that out and give it a > whirl... > keith Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:11:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] most embarassing cd (did we have a winner yet?) Is this thread still going on? I think I might win with the Spice Girls first cd and Billy Squier's greatest hits... On vinyl, the soundtrack to Ney York, New York. Don't ask why, but I used to drink a lot. Billy (36 for one more month) ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Video Conversion ICer's~ > > Go to http://www.vcdhelp.com/rmto.htm This site finally answered the question of why my loop songs and burned CD's would play on anything EXCEPT my home stereo! I had a Harman Kardon DVD-5, which is incompatible with alot of formats. So I upgraded it and got a player that plays MP3's to boot! Cool! Thanks Mr Bollocks! ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:32:18 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Video Conversion In a message dated 2/22/02 1:16:53 PM Central Standard Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: << ICer's~ > > Go to http://www.vcdhelp.com/rmto.htm This site finally answered the question of why my loop songs and burned CD's would play on anything EXCEPT my home stereo! I had a Harman Kardon DVD-5, which is incompatible with alot of formats. >> Speaking of things like that..I have one of the Touch Sampler cds and it will play on every cd player but my home cd player! (the other three samplers play fine) this is the only cd in my collection (out of hundreds ) that will not play on my normal old Sony cd player...strange! the damn thing will play on my father's cheap piece of junk cd player...my audiophile friend's top of the line cd player...my girlfriend's car cd player...my portable cd player..hmmmm..wot's the deal? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:46:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] nite flights someone mentioned bowie's version of nite flights. the illustrated db = site has a 10 minute remix (by moodswings) available for downloading. = not got round to doing it myself as yet so i don't know what it's like, = but thought it may bve of interest... keith=20 http://www.illustrated-db-discography.nl/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of David Bowie - Illustrated db Discography.url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:09:35 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: magazine I vaguely recall that being a radio-only promo, in fact probably college-radio-only, released around the same time as the LP. I doubt there were more than a thousand pressed, but still, it's a bit surprising you didn't find it on any discographies! I nearly snagged the copy that came in to the station I was involved with at the time, but I already had the single (which is to say that I believe the version of "Light Pours Out..." is the 45 mix that was released around that time, and "Upside Down" is/was the b-side of that 45). John "defend your right Devoto" Hedges From: "Neil Soiseth" : > Speaking of Magazine, perhaps somebody here can help me out on a minor > mystery. Some 15 years or so ago, I bought a used Magazine lp called An > Alternative Use of Soap. With a slightly different running order than The > Correct Use of Soap, it also contains The Light Pours Out Of Me (different > mix than Real Life) and Upside Down instead of Model Worker and I'm a Party. > It comes in a plain gray sleeve with a round hole in the centre to see the > album's label (not a boot, tho--it has the Virgin imprint). I've never found > this album in any discography and have always been curious about how > widespread it's distribution was or any other info about its origin. > Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the > black flag, and begin slitting throats. > -- H.L. Mencken Good ol' H.L.! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:25:30 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music Cannibals >What bothers me is how >did Wire succeed in sounding fresh and new in the RFH when they played an >even older material. I have some thoughts about that. I think the main thing is that Wire decided to reinvent the older material. But, since they were pressed for time, they reinvented it with the instrumentation that they had originally used to create it. So, superficially, it looks like they're just covering their older songs. But, that's not really what they're doing. I remember reading interviews where Bruce was talking about "creating sounds with his guitar" as opposed to learning his old parts, and Colin sidestepped the issue by switching to baritone guitars. Also, unlike some bands where a single member decides the musical direction (smashing pumpkins, anyone? (^_^)) Wire is the sum of their individual experiences. I think that stopping in '91 was a great idea, in retrospect. Each member has been doing invigorating work since then - - the amount of drum technique picked up by Robert is especially noteworthy. They brought this experience with them when they reconvened in 2000. An ability to look at the past - 70's and 80's - and come up with something new for the 90's. That's pretty noteworthy, I'd say! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:38:39 -0000 From: "Scott Kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] Band Potential I've been watching He's Greatest Albums of all Time. What do you lot think? TOP 5 only I'm 40 this year and been and still am an avid collector of Wire related material since 1977.But I feel they weren't talented enough to take there music further and project it to a wider audience.So here's my Top 5 Greatest.( in reverse order ) 5. The Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen 4. The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus 3. Wire - Pink Flag 2. The Wedding Present - Bizzaro 1. New Order - Get Ready Maybe a shock No 1 but It's a Perfect Album. Joy Division in there somewhere? Wire flattered to deceive unfortunately. Plenty stuff for sale contact me with your Top 5 or "ENQUIRIES" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:42:52 -0000 From: "Scott Kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] Band Potential I've been watching VH1's Greatest Albums of all Time. What do you lot think? TOP 5 only I'm 40 this year and been and still am an avid collector of Wire related material since 1977.But I feel they weren't talented enough to take there music further and project it to a wider audience.So here's my Top 5 Greatest.( in reverse order ) 5. The Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen 4. The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus 3. Wire - Pink Flag 2. The Wedding Present - Bizzaro 1. New Order - Get Ready Maybe a shock No 1 but It's a Perfect Album. Joy Division in there somewhere? Wire flattered to deceive unfortunately. Plenty stuff for sale contact me with your Top 5 or "ENQUIRIES" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:51:51 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band Potential > I'm 40 this year and been and still am an avid collector of Wire related > material since 1977.But I feel they weren't talented enough to take there > music further and project it to a wider audience.So here's my Top 5 Greatest.( > in reverse order ) > 5. The Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen > 4. The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus > 3. Wire - Pink Flag well they must be pretty talented if they made what you consider the third album of all time... > 2. The Wedding Present - Bizzaro i don't remember david gedge outselling the beatles either. (i don't remember the wedding present making any decent records after 'george best' either, but that's another story...) > 1. New Order - Get Ready > > Maybe a shock No 1 but It's a Perfect Album. Joy Division in there somewhere? > Wire flattered to deceive unfortunately. 'pink flag' isn't even in my top ten of all time, but i'd never accuse wire of flattering to deceive! keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Band Potential I think Wire have always been in a position to deliver to a wider audience. They have numerous songs that, in an ideal world (or a copy of one?), they'd have had Top 40 hits. But then I've always been a sucker for that particular side of Wire. (As much as I admire the more avant garde side of Wire it's not that side that I listen to at home). We've had discussions on here b4 about what are Wire's best pop songs but does anyone think that with the right marketing and promotion they really could have been Top 40? I think they could have done and could still. e.g. I remember when IBTABA came out I just thought - here we go again, Eardrum Buzz could really build their fanbase but they've deliberately shot themselves in the foot by releasing an album that has no commercial potential. I think they do it deliberately. And tbh that's why I love em. I really don't think Pink Flag is their gtst. I'm still a complete sucker for Chairs Missing and 154. The latter particularly. Is this the first time the Wedding Present have been mentioned on the list? I don't remember them mentioned previously. John - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > I'm 40 this year and been and still am an avid > collector of Wire related > > material since 1977.But I feel they weren't > talented enough to take there > > music further and project it to a wider > audience.So here's my Top 5 > Greatest.( > > in reverse order ) > > 5. The Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different > Kitchen > > 4. The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus > > 3. Wire - Pink Flag > > well they must be pretty talented if they made what > you consider the third > album of all time... > > > 2. The Wedding Present - Bizzaro > > i don't remember david gedge outselling the beatles > either. (i don't > remember the wedding present making any decent > records after 'george best' > either, but that's another story...) > > > 1. New Order - Get Ready > > > > Maybe a shock No 1 but It's a Perfect Album. Joy > Division in there > somewhere? > > Wire flattered to deceive unfortunately. > > 'pink flag' isn't even in my top ten of all time, > but i'd never accuse wire > of flattering to deceive! > > keith Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:45:19 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Music Cannibals I agree with Paul. Just because the song has the same title doesn't mean it's the same song. The RFH stuff was marked by it's difference to the original versions as much as it bore a resemblance to the recorded versions as found on the albums or even bootlegs of that period. Robert - I never saw Wire first time round but saw them a few times second time around. The material really didn't benefit from a rock/beat combo drum kit, not that Robert didn't look or sound appropriate with his stripped down kit and his headphones on keeping the necessary beat. But like yourself I noticed that he, erm, 'rocked out' a bit at Nottm and RFH. John - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > >What bothers me is how > >did Wire succeed in sounding fresh and new in the > RFH when they played > an > >even older material. > > I have some thoughts about that. > > I think the main thing is that Wire decided to > reinvent the older > material. But, since they were pressed for time, > they reinvented it > with the instrumentation that they had originally > used to create it. > > So, superficially, it looks like they're just > covering their older > songs. But, that's not really what they're doing. > I remember reading > interviews where Bruce was talking about "creating > sounds with his > guitar" as opposed to learning his old parts, and > Colin sidestepped the > issue by switching to baritone guitars. > > Also, unlike some bands where a single member > decides the musical > direction (smashing pumpkins, anyone? (^_^)) Wire > is the sum of their > individual experiences. I think that stopping in > '91 was a great idea, > in retrospect. Each member has been doing > invigorating work since then > - the amount of drum technique picked up by Robert > is especially > noteworthy. They brought this experience with them > when they > reconvened in 2000. An ability to look at the past > - 70's and 80's - > and come up with something new for the 90's. > > That's pretty noteworthy, I'd say! > > Cheers, > Paul Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:27:09 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV Just catching up on some digests! >Ari wrote: > > what i can't understand is todays youths > > fascination with electronica,it's just so darn > > boring. Oh yeah and you can't hear the words...all those bloody jungle beats. No Ari, its not a generational thing. To some extent it depends on what you define as boring. I'd ask you how much so-called electronica you had heard to make such a judgement. Are you basing this judgement on having heard Leftfield? Thats a bit like judging punk rock on the basis of hearing the Boomtown Rats. Alas Ari, todays Youth are not fascinated with electronica. They like Nu-metal, Britney, class-A drugs, spreading sexually transmitted diseases around Spanish holiday resorts and computer games. Robert wrote a long list of some excellent electronica LPs all well worth hearing. Robert can I also add to that list 'Far Away Trains Passing By' by Ulrich Schnauss. Its not the most innovative record I've heard but it is a luxurious foamy bath of warm synthesised delight. : Robert wrote: >now there is someone that i can't understand all the fuss about! Jim >O'Rourke!... >.....I do not own "Significance" but have heard it 5 or >6 times at friend's house/car and i seem to like less each time...maybe i >should listen to it at home by myself?....hmmmmm...someone please help me to >see/hear what i am missing here... I think its just the fact that he can do heavy electro-acoustic stuff, and then tackle fairly traditional Brian Wilson style pop. I like the lineage he draws between experimentation and pop. For the same reason I like Aphex Twin best when he tries to do his version of what a pop-song or an R&B song should sound like, i.e. Windowlicker. I like Wire's 'pop' singles for the same reason...(Kidney B's, Eardrum Buzz etc.) You can sum up this phenomenon in one image....Bruce Gilbert in that clip of Wire on the bootleg video on some dodgy European TV pop show, playing Kidney Bingoes. Bruce is wearing a surgical mask and not actually playing the guitar at all. Rob wrote, re the new Boards of Canada. >HOWEVER, it isn't much different than >"Music Has the Right to Children" now is it?...maybe a little less trip hop >beat oriented....oh well..only my first listen.. Give it time. I first listened to while drifiting asleep....its actually a lot darker than the first LP. I've listened a few times and I prefer it to that record. They are a great band Robert, and I love the whole mystery around them. They never do interviews and they hardly ever play live. Reminds me of how I percieved New Order when I was a kid.... >and by the way, what the >heck is the deal with WARP records and all this SILLY "Limited Edition, >beautiful digi-pak, stickers, and booklet-with-pretty-pictures" packaging >they are doing for most of the releases lately?...just sucking as much money >as they can eh? I dunno, the packaging is lovely and I got mine from Virgin Megastore of all places, for twelve english pounds which is quite reasonable for a new CD. >wankers...i also do not appreciate the high prices >either.....Warp's days will be numbered...mark my words. I think you are right there. I can see them going the way of Factory Records. Quality control has slipped (Vincent Gallo?!) and they have started releasing stuff like Bromthostates which is to Autechre what Northside were to Joy Division. They should never have left Sheffield. Greed will kill them. Aphex Twin was nominated for a Brit award in a pathetic act of tokenism....he was in the same category as Robbie Williams, Elton John etc. Ludicrous. Almost as daft as Bob Dylan being in the 'Best International Male Artist' category. He was beaten by Shaggy! Now as it happens I actually prefer Shaggy to Dylan, but to compare the two is like comparing a cabbage with a handbag. Andrew W wrote regarding Mogwai: >They are *really* good live. Don't stand near the front, they'll deafen >you: I saw them at the Brixton Academy on the last show of their "Rock >Action" tour... Mogwai make more sense live than on record. One of my fave gigs was an early Mogwai show. Didn't know much about them and it was in a very small venue. No-one really noticed them come on, and when they started playing everyone was just chatting and drinking. After after a few minutes of meandering guitar plucking, four guitarists suddenly hit the pedal marked 'Stun' and you get that huge surge of white noise....and suddenly all eyes are turned to the stage. Fantastic! They had us gripped from then on, and ended the set with all members bashing drums and hitting their guitars with sticks. They've gone a bit prog recently though. Robert wrote re: Mogwai Remixes: >Did Coil do one? I know U-ziq did one..and My Bloody Valentine did a rather >weak one..let me know I really like Kevin Sheilds mogwai remix. A good 15 minutes of so of MBV White Out! Thats not a weak record at all....that is the sound of a living legend of electronic/guitar lunacy generating pure noise mania my friend! Play it again Robert, picture a wired Kevin Sheilds climbing all over his mixing desk pushing the faders up as far as they will go like Phil Spector on DMT....and turn it up ! ________________________________________ Monster monster www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:36:21 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] I DJ Wire and ting Bored listees with Real Audio may like to listen to the DJ set on our website. Something for everyone here, a bit of Wire related stuff including perhaps a rather cheeky mis-use of a Bruce Gilbert track, some of that 'boring' electronica we've been talking about...oh and something for your 80s college kids out there. Oh, and the Carpenters and Ian Dury. Well we were brought up on The Orb after all which means anything goes ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons........Click Click Click www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:01:57 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: magazine on 22.2.02 3:09 PM, JH3 at jh3@winco.net wrote: > I vaguely recall that being a radio-only promo, in fact > probably college-radio-only, released around the same > time as the LP. Perhaps, but it lacks any kind of promo indication--no stamp prohibiting resale, etc. It was also pressed in Canada, I see now. > I doubt there were more than a thousand > pressed, but still, it's a bit surprising you didn't find it on > any discographies! Yeah, I regularly check music guides for it's inclusion and so far not a mention. > I > already had the single (which is to say that I believe the > version of "Light Pours Out..." is the 45 mix that was > released around that time, and "Upside Down" is/was > the b-side of that 45). Right. The mix of Light shows up on one of the compilations--After the Fact I think. Neil I am in a complaining frame of mind this morning. -- James McGregor Stewart, Nova Scotian lawyer, 1934 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 03:19:42 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Boring Electronica/O'Rourke/Boards/Mogwai & MBV In a message dated 2/22/02 8:29:54 PM Central Standard Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > >Ari wrote: > > > what i can't understand is todays youths > > > fascination with electronica,it's just so darn > > > boring. > tim replied: > Oh yeah and you can't hear the words...all those bloody jungle beats. > No Ari, its not a generational thing. To some extent it depends on what you > > define as boring. I'd ask you how much so-called electronica you had heard > to make such a judgement. Are you basing this judgement on having heard > Leftfield? Thats a bit like judging punk rock on the basis of hearing the > Boomtown Rats.>>>>>> hey now...go a little easy on Leftfield! I happen to think they did some stellar stuff during the so-called "Progressive House" phase....Song of Life is an amazing song (in any of it's remixed forms) > Tim also wrote: > Alas Ari, todays Youth are not fascinated with electronica. They like > Nu-metal, Britney, class-A drugs, spreading sexually transmitted diseases > around Spanish holiday resorts and computer games.>>>>>> hahahahaha! I agree with that! > > Tim again: > Robert wrote a long list of some excellent electronica LPs all well worth > hearing. > Robert can I also add to that list 'Far Away Trains Passing By' by Ulrich > Schnauss. Its not the most innovative record I've heard but it is a > luxurious foamy bath of warm synthesised delight. :>>>>> you are so correct sir tim!!! THAT is indeed a beautiful record! One of the best examples of the warmth and emotion that a GOOD electronic record can have..one of the top records of the last few years easily! There is a ton of stuff i forgot but i figured if i listed anymore, my fellow Ideal Copyists would verbally abuse me and revoke my OFFICIAL AMERICAN TOSSERS BRANCH membership card for being a long wided air-bag (like i am being right now!) > > > Robert wrote: > >now there is someone that i can't understand all the fuss about! Jim > >O'Rourke!... > > >.....I do not own "Significance" but have heard it 5 or > >6 times at friend's house/car and i seem to like less each time...maybe i > >should listen to it at home by myself?....hmmmmm...someone please help me > to > >see/hear what i am missing here... tim replied to robert: > I think its just the fact that he can do heavy electro-acoustic stuff, and > then tackle fairly traditional Brian Wilson style pop. I like the lineage > he draws between experimentation and pop. For the same reason I like Aphex > Twin best when he tries to do his version of what a pop-song or an R&B song > > should sound like, i.e. Windowlicker. > I like Wire's 'pop' singles for the same reason...(Kidney B's, Eardrum Buzz > > etc.) > > You can sum up this phenomenon in one image....Bruce Gilbert in that clip > of Wire on the bootleg video on some dodgy European TV pop show, playing > Kidney Bingoes. Bruce is wearing a surgical mask and not actually playing > the guitar at all.>>>> yeah i now that you mention it, i suppose i hadn't looked at that way..hmmm > > Rob wrote, re the new Boards of Canada. > > >HOWEVER, it isn't much different than > >"Music Has the Right to Children" now is it?...maybe a little less trip > hop > >beat oriented....oh well..only my first listen.. > tim: > Give it time. I first listened to while drifiting asleep....its actually a > lot darker than the first LP. I've listened a few times and I prefer it to > that record. They are a great band Robert, and I love the whole mystery > around them. They never do interviews and they hardly ever play live. > Reminds me of how I percieved New Order when I was a kid....>>>>>>> yes i listened to it really late last night while curling up in bed...much better...i love it > > > Robert wrote re: Mogwai Remixes: > > >Did Coil do one? I know U-ziq did one..and My Bloody Valentine did a > rather > >weak one..let me know tim: > I really like Kevin Sheilds mogwai remix. A good 15 minutes of so of MBV > White Out! Thats not a weak record at all....that is the sound of a living > legend of electronic/guitar lunacy generating pure noise mania my > friend! Play it again Robert, picture a wired Kevin Sheilds climbing all > over his mixing desk pushing the faders up as far as they will go like Phil > > Spector on DMT....and turn it up !>>>>>>> I really have been meaning to buy this myself...maybe i'll look for it... Robert (Star of his Friday Night Inddor Soccer Team tonight, scoring 2 goals and 2 assists in a 4-2 victory....including a spiffy heel-ball goal) Lynn ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #56 ******************************