From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #55 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, February 22 2002 Volume 05 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: ATP Sonic Youth CD [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - The Fall [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] "And then there was punk!" ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] electronica/welcome back my friends to the album that never e... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] 12IOU! MG [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - The Fall ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] kylie and the strokes! ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: ATP Sonic Youth CD on 20/02/02 22:31, Michael Flaherty at mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us wrote: >> From: giluz >> Subject: [idealcopy] ATP Sonic Youth CD >> >> Saw an All Tomorrows Parties CD on the shop yesterday - apparently each year >> a different band is responsible for the lineup and this year it's Sonic >> Youth (apparently). Anyway, the CD is just a compilation - no new tracks >> (and no Wire at all) - but it also featured Boredoms, though they don't >> appear on ATP's site. Does anyone know if the Boredoms are gonna play ATP? > > Yep--not surprisingly, as their singer has done an ep (TV Shit) w/ Sonic > Youth and they are a favorite of Thurston's. I've no idea why they're not > on the site. > Actually they are - revisiting the site I noticed that the current lineup (which includes Wire) was assembled by Shellac, while Sonic Youth's lineup is the next one, and a link can be found if you look for it. Boredoms and Wire on the same weekend might have convinced me to be there, but I'd rather wait for a small club like the Garage. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:46:27 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - The Fall on 20/02/02 21:09, Santa Cruzer at r_j_h@yahoo.com wrote: > I only discovered The Fall through this list and have > since gotten 'Frenz Experiment', 'Seminal Live', and > 'Hex Enduction Hour' and just cannot get into them at > all. I listen to 'Frenz..' more than the others, but > just don't find them too interesting. I figure I gave > them a good chance, though! > > I haven't heard either of these bands yet, so perhaps > I'll trade my Fall albums in and give these two a > whirl! Giving up on the Fall after listening to only three albums is like giving up on Wire after listening to a few seconds of one of their songs. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:25:28 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "And then there was punk!" > Thank God for Punk Somehow I don't quite picture the big man up there as being responsible for punk. ;-) Bart [38] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:11:56 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - The Fall << > I only discovered The Fall through this list and have > since gotten 'Frenz Experiment', 'Seminal Live', and > 'Hex Enduction Hour' and just cannot get into them at > all. I listen to 'Frenz..' more than the others, but > just don't find them too interesting. I figure I gave > them a good chance, though! >> Three albums?!?! A good chance?!?! You need at least 20! And I'd only recommend one of the three you chose (Hex..) No self-respecting record collection should be without: Dragnet Grotesque HEH Perverted by Language This Nations Saving grace Extricate Shift-work The Unutterable You can cover the rest of the 90s with the excellent compilation 'A past gone mad', and most of the decent Brix-era stuff with the A- and B-side single comps. One of those dubious compilations containing the early singles is worth having too. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:23:07 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: how old is everyone / records of the century > i've mentioned before, i'm sure, that i turned > 18 the day after bolan's death. i think i'll go put on the remastered, > expanded anniversary edition of electric warrior & meditate on the meaning > of it all ... > > dan like if you've a powder keg leg and whether your wig is pooped or not! (still my fave line...) keith (lock up your hats...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:25:24 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] album of the century Neil Michael Haggerty (of Royal Trux) - solo album of same name last year. Brilliant and demented. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian.s. jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] album of the century > Keith wrote : > >not much of a response to this... > >doesn't anybody like anything from the last couple of years??? > > oh ok, i'll bite... > 'Insignificance' by Jim O'Rourke. > > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:37:10 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - The Fall > Giving up on the Fall after listening to only three albums is like giving up > on Wire after listening to a few seconds of one of their songs. > > giluz i dunno. whilst it's not enough to give you the full picture i think it's enough for you to decide whether you like them or not. whilst i think there's quite a difference between say 'witch trials' and 'totales turns', i don't think the falls sound altered that much between 'frenz experiment' and 'middle class revolt' except on the odd track - just that some albums are better than others. can't comment on what they've done since - apart from the odd 45 - cos MCR was the last fall album i bought, though i saw them live round the time of (i think) 'levitate' (was that about 1997?) and liked the new stuff then. it's interesting how there doesn't seem to be a definitive fall album though - everyone seems to have their personal fave (a bit like wire really) my personal fave is 'shiftwork'. keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:45:43 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] welcome back > though for the life of me i can't think of one solitary elo single from the > '70s that came anywhere near being as worthless as anything i've ever heard > from the moody blues (though that old single go now is pretty ok) or pink > floyd (though maybe the syd stuff will grow on me someday). 'go now' is ok. the moody blues of that time were a different beast to the pretentious shite they later come up with in the same way that pink floyd were a very different (and inferior) group post-syd. i suppose the best example from my generation are simple minds. it's easy to forget now how good something like 'i travel' was. they might have had a lot less money if they'd split up in 1985 but they'd have a lot more respect. keith p.s. i like 'rumours' too! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:06:58 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronica/welcome back my friends to the album that never e... On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 08:57:43PM -0500, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > sure if i would count Mogwai in that group or not...hmmmm...i always lump > them in with Flying Saucer Attack, My Bloody Valentine, Jesus and Mary Chain, > Sonic Youth, etc. as Guitar Benders of the finest order..so far the only > thing that has really got me going was the ep with "Rollerball" and > "Kubrick". EP+2, iirc. "Christmas Song/Stanley Kubrick/Rage: Man/Burn Girl Prom Queen" was the UK track listing, on Chemikal Underground: I think the American tracklisting on Matador was a bit different... A pretty good EP, all told, and the reissue EP+6 (collected EPs) is worth having, I'd think. If you're going to get one Mogwai EP, though, "My Father, My King", definitely. Mogwai are *very* much a guitar band: though I'd be more inclined to bracket them with Slint/Godspeed You Black Emperor!/Aerial M in the post-hardcore "math-rock" milieu, which is particularly clear on the "Young Team" album (probably their most consistent, to be honest), or the track "Christmas Steps" (off 'Come On, Die Young' or the 'No Education = No Future: Fuck the Curfew' EP), which is one of my absolute favourite pieces of music. They are *really* good live. Don't stand near the front, they'll deafen you: I saw them at the Brixton Academy on the last show of their "Rock Action" tour... > .didn't like the last album very much..sem to be stuck in a rut and > cursed with the burden of living up to all the hype... I liked it, a lot: the name of the record is a bit disingenuous, in that it has by far the least rock or action of any of their records, but it *was* very atmospheric. "Dial: Revenge" and "Take Me Somewhere Nice" are probably my favourite tracks off it; they're both worryingly folky, but then this seems to be a common direction for post-rockers: see David Pajo's current work on Papa M's "Whatever, Mortal"... The only song with the old *crunch* though was "You Don't Know Jesus"; "My Father My King" is a real return to this. Andrew - -- ".... come and find me, I'll be waiting - with a gun and a pack of sandwiches..." - Radiohead, "Talk Show Host" ('Street Spirit', B-side) adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:54:36 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] don't nick my pink ballet shoes... i was talking to someone today who saw magazine live 4 times (sadly i never saw them myself). he said that on one occasion at erics (liverpool) in 1978, devoto - the man who now wears shorts, sandals and black socks - was wearing pink ballet shoes. as this person was in the front row, him and his mate thought it would be a great opportunity to nick the ballet shoes off howards feet as he was singing. they duly set about trying to undo them but unfortunately devoto saw what they were doing and just shouted 'fuck off' into the mic and continued the song! the strange thing about it though was this person - as someone who liked magazine enough to see them 4 times - didn't know who wire were. goes to show i suppose that despite being signed to a major label and having a minor hit with 'outdoor miner', how little known they were to the general public... keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:58:08 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: records of the century / the fall i woud have to agree...*most* fall fans will agree that seminal live is a tossed of...and although i do like hex enduction hour, and a lot of people consider it the best fall record, i find it my least favorite record of what i've labeled their "sloppy epic" era of 1980-83. And "Frenz" is pretty good even though it's uneven. ~michael - -------------------- not to revive the semiannual top-10-fall-lp's game, in which we learn that one person's favorite fall albums are another's most-hated, but if seminal live & hex enduction had constituted 67.7 percent of my intro to the band, i daresay i'd own about 40 less lp's & cd's. though frenz might've kept my ears open enough to finally come across utter gems like witch trials, this nation's saving grace, wonderful & frightening world, bend sinister, code: selfish, infotainment scan, light user syndrome, etc. dan >Interesting reading!! > >> but i could be the only 21-year-old Wire & Fall >> obsessive (my wire/fall cd collection deserves its >> own rack now)... > >I only discovered The Fall through this list and have >since gotten 'Frenz Experiment', 'Seminal Live', and >'Hex Enduction Hour' and just cannot get into them at >all. I listen to 'Frenz..' more than the others, but >just don't find them too interesting. I figure I gave >them a good chance, though! > >> still can't get into fennesz' endless summer in >> light of all the praise...another band that everyone >> seems to love that i don't see the fuss about is >> boards of canada... > >I haven't heard either of these bands yet, so perhaps >I'll trade my Fall albums in and give these two a >whirl! > >Hasta! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:06:24 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronica/welcome back my friends to the album that never e... In a message dated 2/21/02 12:48:55 PM, andrew@lexical.org.uk writes: >Mogwai are *very* much a guitar band: though I'd be more >inclined to bracket them with Slint/Godspeed You Black Emperor!/Aerial >M >in the post-hardcore "math-rock" milieu i guess i was really thinking of the fear satan remixes, and kicking a dead pig, which sound to me like other electronic music i've heard. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:12:05 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: records of the century / the fall In a message dated 2/21/02 12:59:34 PM, Rain19c@aol.com writes: >wonderful & frightening world i would definitely recommend checking this one out before writing them off. - -paul (it's the lay of the land my son) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:17:24 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronica/welcome back my friends to the album that never e... In a message dated 2/21/02 1:08:33 PM Central Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: << i guess i was really thinking of the fear satan remixes, and kicking a dead pig, which sound to me like other electronic music i've heard. -paul c.d. >> oh yeah! you are right! those are all electronica remixes....and actually..Mike Paradinas (aka U-Ziq) had a huge falling out with Mogwai over this, because they owed him a remix for doing one for them for free.....Who did all the remixes anyway? Did Coil do one? I know U-ziq did one..and My Bloody Valentine did a rather weak one..let me know Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:27:12 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronica/mogwai remixes In a message dated 2/21/02 2:17:24 PM, RLynn 9 writes: >oh yeah! you are right! those are all electronica remixes....and actually..Mike >Paradinas (aka U-Ziq) had a huge falling out with Mogwai over this, because >they owed him a remix for doing one for them for free.....Who did all the >remixes anyway? >Did Coil do one? I know U-ziq did one..and My Bloody Valentine did a rather >weak one..let me know the contributors on kicking a dead pig were: hood, max tundra, klute, arab strap, third eye foundation, alec empire, dj q, kid loco, and mogwai and on fear satan: u-ziq, surgeon, mbv, and mogwai the u-ziq remix is cool. i really like both cds a lot. good headphone experience - -paul (elecwhatica?) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:55:42 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT UV Pop I saw UV Pop live in about '83 at a Double Vision video evening in Leeds (some videos, then UV Pop, then some more videos). UV Pop was one bloke with a sax, a microphone and a backing tape, if memory serves. Not bad, as it goes. I have a few of his tracks here and there on compilation tape releases from around that time. Incidentally, the videos on show included Cabaret Voltaire (they'd also played live the night before), Throbbing Gristle, Residents, Snakefinger, Renaldo and the Loaf, Colin Newman (B) From: dan bailey on the other side was u.v. pop's no songs tomorrow ... rather lacklustre first half, occasionally > reminiscent of some band that had been listening to too much o superman, > foxx-era ultravox & faith-era cure at the same time, but pretty decent [& > occasionally a bit cabs-ish] 2nd half, esp. the song sleep don't talk ... it > was almost enough to make me wonder if the lp wasn't a comparison of some > unambitious a-sides combined with some fairly adventurous flips. who the > heck were these guys? have i erred by bringing up someone some old hack at > the nme once dismissed as "appalling"?) > > dodderingly, dan > > > > >the question that everyone doesn't like to answer. > > > > > >how old is everyone > > > >;^) > >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > >http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:59:54 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronica/welcome back my friends to the album that never e... > > .didn't like the last album very much..sem to be stuck in a rut and > > cursed with the burden of living up to all the hype... > > andrew said > I liked it, a lot: the name of the record is a bit disingenuous, in that > it has by far the least rock or action of any of their records, but it > *was* very atmospheric. "Dial: Revenge" and "Take Me Somewhere Nice" are > probably my favourite tracks off it; they're both worryingly folky... i'm with you. 'rock action' is fab! keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:08:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] kylie and the strokes! i don't suppose kylie's name gets too many mentions here, but i thought the new order fans here might be interested to hear that her performance of the mighty fine 'can't get you out of my head' on the brit awards was to a backing track of - wait for it - 'blue monday'! (virtually all the way through). she even ended the song by singing 'how does it feel'. and in case you're wondering what it was like - well it was pretty damn good i have to say, although i must add that i am a fan of disposable pop as well as the usual suspects here... the strokes were on too, doing 'last nite' - a bit slower than normally but boasting a genuinely spine tingling guitar solo (same as the record just a bit more exciting) that reminded me of the mighty robert quine. keith p.s. can i just have a pat on the back for managing to mention kylie and a voidoid in the same missive!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:50:37 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The most embarassing cd in my collection is >n.p. singles going steady (not embarassing at all...unless you're a teenage >boy and you put it on in front of yer mom) i presume you're talking about 'Orgasm Addict'?!?!???? ;-) i remember an elderly female next door neighbour walking into our back room just as the intro to Ian Dury's 'Plaistow Patricia' came on... really, really loud... i got a(n) 'oh, very nice...' in passing... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:57:48 EST From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] re: most embarrassing.... I don't know - depends on the crowd I'm playing to, or what everyone else is saying - not sure anything I have could be embarrassing on *this list* :-) the really really most embarrassing one is Quentin's Theme from Dark Shadows - - either that or the sound track to the Godfather, the first one - man, I still can't believe I actually bought that, have you any idea how redundant, boring, and, ahem, instrumental that is???? - I have no clue what I was thinking except that I was fairly young and probably thought it would be cool to have - other than that I really don't get embarrassed - most of it is what there was at the time, you go through enough musical periods you have to accrue stuff that people not there would laugh heartily at now having not been through it - but I was, like, so on top of it at the time (sorry, slipped into valley girl mode for a second there) I think the thing that worries me most is how old it makes me feel sometimes - - in the last couple of months I've run across guys from the New Seekers and New Colony Six - and I knew who they were and the songs, could sing them off the top of my head - if that's not some kind of statement, I don't know what is Laurel *feeling old and desperately needing a show I'm thinkin PS - agree totally on the Moody Blues/boring thing - if I remember, I said before it's maybe the one concert I walked out of well before it was over - had to be mid/late-ish '70s ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't nick my pink ballet shoes.../huh Keith wrote:the strange thing about it though was this person - as someone who liked magazine enough to see them 4 times - didn't know who wire were. goes to show i suppose that despite being signed to a major label and having a minor hit with 'outdoor miner', how little known they were to the general public... keith ............ That's nothing buddy,over here in the u.s.of a,there ARE people that have never heard of frank zapa or miles davis,i think they're all from an alien planet!Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:53:36 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Music Cannibals To further my point, how many spins of an album before it is shelved and replaced by something different? How many times can the same movie be watched? A live game, taped & replayed? Wire did right in their 80's tours by not playing previous material, only the current & forthcoming. Once something is done, it's unique to that place in time (who said to the effect "it's better to fail inventing than to succeed duplicating?"). Maybe because we visually see movies that we rarely view them twice or more, whereas with music we may strive to visualize what is there play after play. I'm sure I have 154 OCD!! Con$umeD, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:55:53 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [OT] Mark Smith-ah and the Fall-ah! (was Re: [idealcopy] OT - records of the century) >> but i could be the only 21-year-old Wire & Fall >> obsessive (my wire/fall cd collection deserves its >> own rack now)... > >I only discovered The Fall through this list and have >since gotten 'Frenz Experiment', 'Seminal Live', and >'Hex Enduction Hour' and just cannot get into them at >all. I listen to 'Frenz..' more than the others, but >just don't find them too interesting. I figure I gave >them a good chance, though! > Okay, it's that time of the year when all of the Fall obsessives weigh in with their recommondations and disagree with each other (^_^) I don't know about most of the list, but Frenz in my opinion is a weaker Fall album. Before you write off the Fall completely, you should hear: The Ununtterable A Past Gone Mad (90's sampler) This Nations Saving Grace BBC Sessions and, if you like those, check out: Code: Selfish The Infotainment Scan The Strange and Frightening World of the Fall Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:06:24 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't nick my pink ballet shoes.../huh In a message dated 2/21/02 6:18:56 PM, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > >That's nothing buddy,over here in the u.s.of a,there >ARE people that have never heard of frank zapa or >miles davis,i think they're all from an alien planet!Ari add to that the people who don't know who peter gabriel is, and ugh, i'm afraid the list could go on and on. of course, i don't think any of these folks have a clue who howard devoto is either. i'd bet my life savings on that :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:05:52 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kylie and the strokes! In a message dated 2/21/02 4:10:46 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > i don't suppose kylie's name gets too many mentions here, but i thought the > new order fans here might be interested to hear that her performance of the > mighty fine 'can't get you out of my head' on the brit awards was to a > backing > track of - wait for it - 'blue monday'! (virtually all the way through). > she > even ended the song by singing 'how does it feel'. > and in case you're wondering what it was like - well it was pretty damn > good i > have to say, although i must add that i am a fan of disposable pop as well > as > the usual suspects here... > ugh...oh brother!..... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:45:03 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: Re: [OT] Mark Smith-ah and the Fall-ah! (was Re: [idealcopy] OT - records of the century) > Okay, it's that time of the year when all of the Fall obsessives weigh > in with their recommondations and disagree with each other (^_^) > > I don't know about most of the list, but Frenz in my opinion is a > weaker Fall album. Before you write off the Fall completely, you > should hear: > > The Ununtterable > A Past Gone Mad (90's sampler) > This Nations Saving Grace > BBC Sessions > > and, if you like those, check out: > Code: Selfish > The Infotainment Scan > The Strange and Frightening World of the Fall As an intro, I'd say go with the A458489 singles comp. If you like Mark "poppy", then try: Live at the Witch Trials Hex Enduction Hour Strange and Frightening World The Unutterable I also found an mp3 of them on Peel doing Jungle Bell Rock. Now who says he doesn't have a wicked sense of humour? Really don't care much for either Code: Selfish or Shift-Work (is it just me or is High Tension Line a thinly disguised Hit the North?). I realize that the Fall are the very definition of an acquired taste, but I can't imagine a world without a new Fall album every year (as well as a bad live album and some compilation as well). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:06:09 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Mark Smith-ah and the Fall-ah! neil said > I can't imagine a > world without a new Fall album every year (as well as a bad live album and > some compilation as well). i know what you're saying, but there is a part of me that can't help thinking that the fall would benefit from the michael jackson syndrome (i.e. one album every five years) and then - if we cut out the average stuff - we'd talking about some real classic albums. (of course the hole in this argument is that none of us can agree what the good stuff or the average stuff is...still, just a thought.) keith eat yourself fitter (ah if only...) n.p. 'take it easy with the walker brothers' which is just about as far from the fall as you can get. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:20:54 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Walker Brothers - Nite Flights In a message dated 2/21/02 7:12:10 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > n.p. 'take it easy with the walker brothers' which is just about as far from > the fall as you can get. > speaking of the Walker Brothers...can anyone out there lend a hand in helping me find a copy of Nite Flights on cd...or at least a cd-r....i know this is out of print and i can't find a copy anywhere...don't wanna pay a lot for it...thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:18:56 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] 12IOU! hey folks, eric in toronto was nice enough to make the 12 I.O.U. file available online for download. here's the url: www.in-tract.ca/12iou.htm coincidentally, today i finally found a site and an ftp program that allowed me to make it available for online viewing (QuickTime .mov file). here's the url for that: www.geocities.com/eardrumbuz thanks again to eric, and those of you who already expressed interest in the project. it was a lot of fun to make, and i hope to do more with it soon. - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:21:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Mark Smith-ah and the Fall-ah! Talking of the Fall, they're doing a Camber Sands warm-up on April 20 at the Garage in London, the excellent venue where Wire played 3 nights in 2000. As are Mission of Burma, on April 25, same venue. Now which other legendary post-punk band could do with a pre-Camber warm-up gig.....a thought preferable to a weekend in Pontins with 2,000 Belle & Sebastian fans, to be honest. Mark :-\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:57:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 12IOU! MG Now that I have it, what am I supposed to do with it. Pretty clever clocking in at 1.54 minutes... Billy - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > hey folks, > > eric in toronto was nice enough to make the 12 > I.O.U. file available online > for download. here's the url: > > www.in-tract.ca/12iou.htm > > coincidentally, today i finally found a site and an > ftp program that allowed > me to make it available for online viewing > (QuickTime .mov file). here's the > url for that: > > www.geocities.com/eardrumbuz > > thanks again to eric, and those of you who already > expressed interest in the > project. it was a lot of fun to make, and i hope to > do more with it soon. > > -another the paul ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:07:54 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 12IOU! MG In a message dated 2/21/02 9:57:19 PM, xj23@yahoo.com writes: >Now that I have it, what am I supposed to do with it. >Pretty clever clocking in at 1.54 minutes... > >Billy it's a quicktime movie. you can watch it if you have quicktime 3.0 or later. eric's page is a download of a .exe file for windows users. macusers or anyone who can view quicktime .mov's on the web can visit my page. both links are below. if you're interested in participating in the project, or remixing 12IOU, let me know offlist. - -paul c.d. >--- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: >> hey folks, >> >> eric in toronto was nice enough to make the 12 >> I.O.U. file available online >> for download. here's the url: >> >> www.in-tract.ca/12iou.htm >> >> coincidentally, today i finally found a site and an >> ftp program that allowed >> me to make it available for online viewing >> (QuickTime .mov file). here's the >> url for that: >> >> www.geocities.com/eardrumbuz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:12:54 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - The Fall whilst i think >there's quite a difference between say 'witch trials' and 'totales turns', i >don't think the falls sound altered that much between 'frenz experiment' and >'middle class revolt' except on the odd track - just that some albums are >better than others. can't comment on what they've done since - apart from >the odd 45 - cos MCR was the last fall album i bought, though i saw them >live round the time of (i think) 'levitate' (was that about 1997?) and liked >the new stuff then. virtually everything they've done since mcr (though i personally despise levitate even more than i do hex & dragnet, which is really saying something) is well worth your time & money, i'd say. dan >it's interesting how there doesn't seem to be a definitive fall album >though - everyone seems to have their personal fave (a bit like wire really) >my personal fave is 'shiftwork'. >keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:19:06 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kylie and the strokes! >the strokes were on too, doing 'last nite' - a bit slower than normally but >boasting a genuinely spine tingling guitar solo (same as the record just a bit >more exciting) which song, i saw while perusing zines in a bookstore over the weekend, q magazine (i believe it was) rates as one of the most 50 exciting of all time -- a list headed by god save the queen (not surprisingly, i suppose, though even in the pistols' own oeuvre i'd go with anarchy myself). any such list that includes u2's where the streets have no name (assuming i'm remembering correctly) is of course completely suspect, though of course the omission of such punk classics as in my eyes, tube disaster & pay to cum, just for starters, is the true giveaway ... dan that reminded me of the mighty robert quine. >keith >p.s. can i just have a pat on the back for managing to mention kylie and a >voidoid in the same missive!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:21:15 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't nick my pink ballet shoes.../huh >Keith wrote:the strange thing about it though was this >person - as someone who >liked >magazine enough to see them 4 times - didn't know who >wire were. goes >to show >i suppose that despite being signed to a major label >and having a minor >hit >with 'outdoor miner', how little known they were to >the general >public... >keith >............ >That's nothing buddy,over here in the u.s.of a,there >ARE people that have never heard of frank zapa or >miles davis,i think they're all from an alien planet!Ari yeah, but most of 'em wouldn't have a clue who magazine (or whoever the u.s. equivalent might've been ... comparisons escape me ... mission of burma?) was, surely. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:21:48 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the fall listened to cerebral caustic yesterday, and again today. i rate it pretty highly. - -paul (don't call me darling) c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #55 ******************************